Thirty three and a third.

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Irons

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on September 26, 2022, 09:07:11 AM
Irons,

That same store in Los Angeles has some albums listed on eBay.  I'd love a copy of this record, but not at the price that they are offering it for!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195027614106?hash=item2d688d399a:g:VucAAOSwhUNictlf

Fly away little Eagles....  :(

PD

A lot of money PD but in many respects worth it. A sealed copy on Mobile Fidelity, to quote our Karl "nice".

That store in LA looks nice too. In Part.1 of above video Mark includes a picture of it. Since the demise of Classical Exchange due to flooding next to nothing left in London for classical vinyl. I miss my visits to Notting Hill.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Irons

#1621
Spinning.



Not got to listen to PC yet as very taken with Rubbra's Violin Concerto.



Spirited account of Elgar's String Quartet. I have a problem with the lovely Delius SQ. The Fidelio Quartet play the piece beautifully on an old Pye Golden Guinea LP. Every recording that I have heard since, including Brodsky's, sound too driven and rushed.
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Pohjolas Daughter

I'll have to revisit Elgar's quartet & piano quintet soon as it's been a while.

Yesterday I ran across this treat:



Bach's Christmas Oratorio with some of my faves like Wunderlich, Janowitz and Ludwig.  Conducted by the one and only Karl Richter.  It included the big libretto booklet and the original filing card too.  :)

PD
Pohjolas Daughter

vandermolen

Quote from: Irons on September 28, 2022, 03:33:33 AM
Spinning.



Not got to listen to PC yet as very taken with Rubbra's Violin Concerto.



Spirited account of Elgar's String Quartet. I have a problem with the lovely Delius SQ. The Fidelio Quartet play the piece beautifully on an old Pye Golden Guinea LP. Every recording that I have heard since, including Brodsky's, sound too driven and rushed.
The Rubbra Ireland disc looks great Lol. I love the dreamy and reflective Rubbra work.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

ritter

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on September 30, 2022, 04:41:20 AM
....

Yesterday I ran across this treat:



Bach's Christmas Oratorio with some of my faves like Wunderlich, Janowitz and Ludwig.  Conducted by the one and only Karl Richter.  It included the big libretto booklet and the original filing card too.  :)

PD
Nice! We had that set in my parents'  house when I was young. It was my introduction to Bach. Fond memories.... :)

Irons

Quote from: vandermolen on September 30, 2022, 11:46:05 AM
The Rubbra Ireland disc looks great Lol. I love the dreamy and reflective Rubbra work.

I love the Rubbra concerto, Jeffrey. Usually, I will have a stab at describing why I like a piece but for Rubbra I just do and don't know why. I think you have hit nail squarely on head with "reflective".
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

I opened the door people rushed through and I was left holding the knob - Bo Diddley.

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: ritter on September 30, 2022, 11:54:30 AM
Nice! We had that set in my parents'  house when I was young. It was my introduction to Bach. Fond memories.... :)
Hi Ritter!

Cool!  8)

PD
Pohjolas Daughter

vandermolen

Quote from: Irons on October 01, 2022, 02:54:46 AM
I love the Rubbra concerto, Jeffrey. Usually, I will have a stab at describing why I like a piece but for Rubbra I just do and don't know why. I think you have hit nail squarely on head with "reflective".
Thanks, Lol. I think that Rubbra's Piano Concerto has a similar quality.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

aligreto

Here is a short article from Discogs which I came across recently featuring the stylus which I thought might be of interest to new entrants into the vinyl world. I put it here for reference.


The Different Types of Record Player Needles

August 21, 2018

If you thought a stylus was a stylus was a stylus, think again. There are several different types of record player needles.

There are four main stylus shapes, excluding a stylus for 78 RPM records. As the grooves of 78s are about 3-4 times wider than a typical 33 1/3 record and require a stylus designed specifically for these grooves. A standard microgroove spherical stylus will ride very low in the groove, producing a noisy signal and greatly accelerating wear on your stylus.

Why does stylus shape matter?

If you're a casual vinyl record enthusiast, the truth is, you probably don't need to lose that much sleep over it. That said, the shape (and construction) of the stylus, contributes to how well it replicates sound from your record, due to the access it has to the surface area of the grooves. It can also contribute to the wear and tear of your vinyl records over time. And of course, both of these things will affect the price of the stylus. So if you value high-end audio and have a bit of extra cash to put into your turntable setup, it's worth knowing about the different types of styli and the benefits of each type. You may also want to be more selective about your stylus depending on whether you're using it for DJing or playing records at home.

Stylus Construction

Before we get into the differences of turntable styli, let's take a step back to the shank construction. The stylus sits at the end of the cantilever within the turntable's cartridge, which is connected to the tonearm. The stylus attached to the cantilever will be a nude diamond or a tipped diamond. With a tipped diamond, it's just that – the very tip of the stylus is diamond while the rest is metal – as opposed to nude diamond where the stylus is a whole diamond that's glued to the cantilever. Unsurprisingly, the latter is the premium option as it has a lower mass and tracks more accurately.

Stylus Types

Spherical

Spherical, or conical, is the most common stylus type and are the least expensive. It looks a bit like the tip of a ballpoint pen up close. Because of their relatively large radius, spherical styli trace less of the smaller groove modulations that represent higher frequencies. Some claim spherical styli produce the most wear on records because the contact area of the diamond is restricted to two specific points, while contenders claim that this actually produces less wear.

Elliptical

The next most common stylus type is elliptical, or bi-radial. Elliptical makes contact across a larger area of the groove wall due to its dual radii. This allows for more precise tracking, improved frequency response (especially highs), improved phase response, and lower distortion, particularly in hard-to-track inner grooves. These types of styli usually wear a bit faster, and you'll need to pay attention to the cartridge and tonearm alignment for best results.

Hyperelliptical

Hyperelliptical, also known as shibata, fine line, or stereohedron. As the name suggests, this type is the next stage of evolution of the elliptical stylus, sharpening the design to make greater contact with the record grooves. When properly aligned, this stylus offers excellent high-frequency performance, longer tip life, improved tracking, and lower record wear. Due to their advanced design and difficulty to manufacture, they're more expensive than the elliptical stylus.

Micro-ridge

The micro-ridge, or microline stylus is the most advanced of the four styli types. The computer designed tip comes close to the shape of a cutting stylus used to produce master discs. Their multilevel "ridge" shape allows this stylus to give the best high-frequency performance with extended record and stylus life (when aligned correctly). They're very difficult to manufacture and very expensive.



Valentino

#1629
I've got two cartridges these days.
One is a very old Audio-Technica AT-OC10, which 'm keeping for reference as my current tonearm cannot handle it properly. It's a low output moving coil with a MicroLine (TM) also known as microridge or SAS stylus on a Boron cantilever.
The other one is a Denon DL-301II  low output moving coil with a "special elliptical" stylus on a tapered aluminium cantilever. I guess it's actually a Shibata due to the very extended frequency response that no elliptical stylus can.

...

I promised listening impressions on the "new" RVW double album.



The symphony got me afraid, and the last movement desolate.
It's all very good, but since I don't know my RVW it's wetted my appetite for more. That's something, isn't it?
Not the most quiet pressing, I'm afraid.
We audiophiles don't really like music, but we sure love the sound it makes;
Audio-Technica | Bokrand | Thorens | Cambridge Audio | Logitech | Yamaha | Topping | MiniDSP | Hypex | ICEpower | Mundorf | SEAS | Beyma

vandermolen

#1630
Quote from: Valentino on October 05, 2022, 08:45:10 AM
I've got two cartridges these days.
One is a very old Audio-Technica AT-OC10, which 'm keeping for reference as my current tonearm cannot handle it properly. It's a low output moving coil with a MicroLine (TM) also known as microridge or SAS stylus on a Boron cantilever.
The other one is a Denon DL-301II  low output moving coil with a "special elliptical" stylus on a tapered aluminium cantilever. I guess it's actually a Shibata due to the very extended frequency response that no elliptical stylus can.

...

I promised listening impressions on the "new" RVW double album.



The symphony got me afraid, and the last movement desolate.
It's all very good, but since I don't know my RVW it's wetted my appetite for more. That's something, isn't it?
Not the most quiet pressing, I'm afraid.
Thanks v much for the VW feedback. There are two recent VW LPs that I'd like if I ever get a decent turntable (Hichox's recording of the 1913 version of A London Symphony and the one that you are reporting back on). If you want to explore more VW I'd recommend the Hickox recording:
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Valentino

What's a decent turntable The way you see it?

Was at a friend yesterday and was impressed by a 1968 Thorens TD 150 Mk. I with a 1985 SME Series III tonearm and a 2022  Ortofon 2M Bronze cartridge.
Pretty little package.
We audiophiles don't really like music, but we sure love the sound it makes;
Audio-Technica | Bokrand | Thorens | Cambridge Audio | Logitech | Yamaha | Topping | MiniDSP | Hypex | ICEpower | Mundorf | SEAS | Beyma

vandermolen

#1632
I just mean not the cheapo portable one that I have at the moment. I quite like the look of a Pro-Ject one, and they are not too expensive. I used to have a Dual turntable with an Ortofen cartridge.

The main problem is getting my wife to agree to have it in the living room!
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

aligreto

Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 10:10:25 PM
I just mean not the cheapo portable one that I have at the moment. I quite like the look of a Pro-Ject one, and they are not too expensive. I used to have a Dual turntable with an Ortofen cartridge.

The main problem is getting my wife to agree to have it in the living room!

Many would understand your problem regarding the living room. While the Project is a good TT I think that your choice would need to look more like "a piece of furniture" for enhanced success.  ;)  ;D

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: vandermolen on October 06, 2022, 10:10:25 PM
I just mean not the cheapo portable one that I have at the moment. I quite like the look of a Pro-Ject one, and they are not too expensive. I used to have a Dual turntable with an Ortofen cartridge.

The main problem is getting my wife to agree to have it in the living room!
If I'm recalling correctly (and I could be misremembering here), you have your components spread out over a table or kind of sideboard?  If so, do you think that she would agree to a decent-looking stereo cabinet (that would fit in stylistically-wise with the rest of your furniture)?  I don't know about the various Project turntables (other than recalling that they have a good brand).  This model comes in various colors and finishes too:  https://www.fanthorpes.co.uk/hi-fi-separates/turntables-and-accessories/turntables/project-debut-carbon-evo-turntable/ The hunter green is quite nice...wonder what the blue one looks like (they don't have a photo of it there).  :)  Perhaps bring her along when you go to audition them, so that she too can hear the differences between the models.  And bring along some favorite records of hers too!  ;)

PD
Pohjolas Daughter

aligreto

       



I posted these three LPs on the Listening Thread earlier today. I do believe that they are the first vinyl purchases by me this year. They all came from a recent find at a local charity shop. The covers are slightly less than perfect but still good and all of the vinyl itself is in terrific condition.

Pohjolas Daughter

Haven't heard of Fischer before now.  Is he new to you too?

Hope that you enjoy them!

PD
Pohjolas Daughter

aligreto

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 14, 2022, 04:57:31 AM
Haven't heard of Fischer before now.  Is he new to you too?

Hope that you enjoy them!

PD

Yes, PD, my first exposure to the music of Fischer.

vandermolen

Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 07, 2022, 03:25:20 AM
If I'm recalling correctly (and I could be misremembering here), you have your components spread out over a table or kind of sideboard?  If so, do you think that she would agree to a decent-looking stereo cabinet (that would fit in stylistically-wise with the rest of your furniture)?  I don't know about the various Project turntables (other than recalling that they have a good brand).  This model comes in various colors and finishes too:  https://www.fanthorpes.co.uk/hi-fi-separates/turntables-and-accessories/turntables/project-debut-carbon-evo-turntable/ The hunter green is quite nice...wonder what the blue one looks like (they don't have a photo of it there).  :)  Perhaps bring her along when you go to audition them, so that she too can hear the differences between the models.  And bring along some favorite records of hers too!  ;)

PD
Many thanks PD for the advice which is much appreciated. Your plan is very thoughtful but not viable here, I think. My wife thinks that I should be 'downloading' and 'streaming' my music 'LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES!'
;D
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

Quote from: aligreto on October 07, 2022, 03:07:01 AM
Many would understand your problem regarding the living room. While the Project is a good TT I think that your choice would need to look more like "a piece of furniture" for enhanced success.  ;)  ;D
Thanks Fergus - I suspect that you are right.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).