What Jazz are you listening to now?

[ando]

Duke Ellington Orchestra The Tattooed Bride (1951, Columbia)

[Henk]

I grew up on ECM LPs in 70's and 80's. What the company releases today is a pale shadow, at best a rehash of clichés worked over and over again.

I have no interest in what Marsalis is doing today. He had some good jazz albums in the early 80s.

I fully realise that my opinion is subjective and I don't expect agreement  

Do you still enjoy the classics? I sometimes go back to them but rarely.

I try to catch up with jazz now and then. Matthew Shipp does some interesting things. Also I dig Tom Harrell, Bobby Watson, Gilad Hekselman, James Brandon-Lee, Jim Black among others. Maybe some artists for you to check.

If you like to get yourself up to date you might do yourself a favor subscribing to Downbeat. Jazz isn't dead yet, I'm sure.

I co-runned a venue in my student years (00's). In these times jazz was flourishing with much energy. When one is attuned to it, one can know otherwise you just miss too much to know.

[ando]

Charle Lloyd Quartet in '66, Belgium. Classic ensemble. Recording level's a bit low but they're all in great form.

1. East Of The Sun
2. Of Course, Of Course
3. Love Song To A Baby
4. Manhattan Tripper (or Manhattan Carousel)
5. Island Blues

Keith Jarrett - piano
Cecil McBee - bass
Jack DeJohnette - drums
Charles Lloyd, tenor sax, flute

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Charle Lloyd Quartet in '66, Belgium. Classic ensemble. Recording level's a bit low but they're all in great form.

1. East Of The Sun
2. Of Course, Of Course
3. Love Song To A Baby
4. Manhattan Tripper (or Manhattan Carousel)
5. Island Blues

Keith Jarrett - piano
Cecil McBee - bass
Jack DeJohnette - drums
Charles Lloyd, tenor sax, flute

Great quartet.

[AnotherSpin]

Do you still enjoy the classics? I sometimes go back to them but rarely.

I try to catch up with jazz now and then. Matthew Shipp does some interesting things. Also I dig Tom Harrell, Bobby Watson, Gilad Hekselman, James Brandon-Lee, Jim Black among others. Maybe some artists for you to check.

If you like to get yourself up to date you might do yourself a favor subscribing to Downbeat. Jazz isn't dead yet, I'm sure.

I co-runned a venue in my student years (00's). In these times jazz was flourishing with much energy. When one is attuned to it, one can know otherwise you just miss too much to know.

Yes, I listen to ECM from 70s -- such albums as Keith Jarrett's Survivor' Suite, My Song, and virtually all his other albums in group and as soloist; also albums from Abercrombie, Holland, Garbarek, Weber, Towner, Surman, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Rava, Stańko, and many others.

Blue Note, Atlantic, Inpulse! treasures from 50s - 60-s. Coltrane, Miles, Mingus, Monk, Bill Evans, Sonny Rollins, Dexter Gordon, Chet Baker, Andrew Hill, Wayne Shorter, Tony Williams... what a time for jazz!!!

Bobby Watson, of course; Art Farmer, Bobby Hutcherson, Freddie Hubbard, McCoy Tyner, Chick Corea, Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, there were some great recordings still in 70s-80s.

There were some good albums later, Charles Lloyd, Joe Henderson, Art Pepper, James Carter, David Murray, Stan Getz, Frank Morgan, Joe Lovano, etc.

A lot of interesting things were happening in the avant garde area. I love what Anthony Braxton did for the last 50 years. Roscoe Mitchell, Vijay Iyer, Tyshawn Sorey, Steve Lehman, Craig Taborn, Tim Berne, Gerry Hemingway, William Parker, Marilyn Crispell, Taylor Ho Bynum, David S Ware, and many others. Matthew Shipp, yes.

However. As I see it from my point of view, something has happened, broken in the last few years, mirroring the pandemic, world politics, social turmoil and all the crap before, during and after it. Let's see if something real starts to happen again, in jazz too.

P.S.: I read Down Beat, still in paper, in 70s-80s.

[ando]

Moves 

Manhattan Transfer

Miles Davis

(The Original) George Shearing Quintet w/ Denzil Best (composer)

[San Antone]

@AnotherSpin - your preference reminds of the age old conflict between classical listeners who only listen to or prefer the Common Practice period composers and refuse to even acknowledge that much of the new music being written since the 1970s as classical music.

It also reminds me of opera fans who complain that the new singers are not nearly as good as the "golden age" singers. But they may have  a point.

This is a syndrome among music fans of probably all genres: "the old is always better."

Some jazz fans feel as you do.  But I don't buy it.  Yes, you are welcome to your opinion, but I can't help but feel you are missing so much with these blanket reductive opinions.

To each his own, but I find plnety of good jazz being done right now and has been done since the very first recordings.  And by the way, I am a huge fan of not only new jazz, but early jazz, and jazz from the last 100+ years.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Village - Wallace Roney.

[AnotherSpin]

@AnotherSpin - your preference reminds of the age old conflict between classical listeners who only listen to or prefer the Common Practice period composers and refuse to even acknowledge that much of the new music being written since the 1970s as classical music.

It also reminds me of opera fans who complain that the new singers are not nearly as good as the "golden age" singers. But they may have  a point.

This is a syndrome among music fans of probably all genres: "the old is always better."

Some jazz fans feel as you do.  But I don't buy it.  Yes, you are welcome to your opinion, but I can't help but feel you are missing so much with these blanket reductive opinions.

To each his own, but I find plnety of good jazz being done right now and has been done since the very first recordings.  And by the way, I am a huge fan of not only new jazz, but early jazz, and jazz from the last 100+ years.

I don't mean jazz only. The same can be said about rock music. Or, for example, about the cinema of recent years. By the way, opera is virtually disappearing as a genre before our eyes. There are many times fewer significant recordings in this genre than there were 30 or 50 years ago. It's not just about voices. Bayreuth has become a mockery of Wagner's ideas.

Although, of course, your words about the aversion to the new that can happen with age express a long-known observation that can be found already in ancient texts.

[Henk]

I don't mean jazz only. The same can be said about rock music. Or, for example, about the cinema of recent years. By the way, opera is virtually disappearing as a genre before our eyes. There are many times fewer significant recordings in this genre than there were 30 or 50 years ago. It's not just about voices. Bayreuth has become a mockery of Wagner's ideas.

Although, of course, your words about the aversion to the new that can happen with age express a long-known observation that can be found already in ancient texts.

I don't share the pessimism. In my newspaper for example I come across many positive cinema reviews. It may have been going downwards for some time, it's going upwards these times.

Of course there is some danger that creativity loses it's driving force. This danger is exactly what keeps it alive. The sparkle remains. Look at the bright side. The sparkle is at least as much interesting. The artists behind the art are too. New masterpieces can always come to light, the thing is not everybody is aware.

Things go upwards and downwards. This is a matter of perception too, caused by factors of age, distance, mood, taste etc.

Your perception may contain a grain of truth. But if you expect only progress that is an unfounded assumption.

You can't generalize all areas. Some areas and genres may be more productive than others.

[AnotherSpin]

First reissue on CD was not complete. This edition contains all material from original 2LP set plus some live recordings. Original 2LP set was one of my favourite ECM albums 40+ years ago.

[AnotherSpin]

I don't share the pessimism. In my newspaper for example I come across many positive cinema reviews. [..]

1. Good for you.
2. The reviews can be super positive. It's a job of reviewers to wright reviews. It doesn't mean the films worth a thing.

Don't you think we're going round in circles?

[Henk]

Ok, let's close the discussion then. I have had my say.

It's not a bad thing to stick to the music you like.

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Wes.

[SimonNZ]

Also Wes:

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Also Wes:

Love Louis Hayes!

[ando]

How I'm feeling this Wednesday morning...

Lazy Mae  John Coltrane & The Red Garland Quintet

[AnotherSpin]

[Dry Brett Kavanaugh]

Live at Yoshi's - Pat Martino.

[SimonNZ]

How I'm feeling this Wednesday morning...

Lazy Mae  John Coltrane & The Red Garland Quintet

Haven't played the Dig It album in a while, so giving that one another spin right now.