Sir William Walton

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vandermolen

Writing in 1967 the musicologist Deryck Cooke regarded Walton's First Symphony, along with Vaughan Williams's 4th Symphony, Sibelius's 7th Symphony and Nielsen's 5th Symphony to be amongst the greatest of the 20th Century.
Two other recommendations for recordings:
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Symphonic Addict

It seems that I'm the only one to have the Haitink/P.O. recording of the Symphony No. 1 in high esteem here. It was the first recording I ever heard of the piece and it still remains as my favorite overall. In spite of its "slow pacing", it doesn't lack power and punch, and the timpani are glorious.
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vers la flamme

I saw the Rattle Walton 1 at the used bookstore the other day for $1. I didn't buy it. Was this the right call?

Roasted Swan

Quote from: vers la flamme on September 21, 2022, 03:56:22 PM
I saw the Rattle Walton 1 at the used bookstore the other day for $1. I didn't buy it. Was this the right call?

Yes.... I actually like Rattle (particularly in his CBSO days) more than a lot of folk and you'd think that Walton 1 would be right up his street.  Its perfectly good but simply put there are better - I just don't think Rattle "believes" in Walton (or Elgar or Vaughan Williams really) so its a case of going through the motions rather than performing from the heart.

vandermolen

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on September 21, 2022, 02:37:51 PM
It seems that I'm the only one to have the Haitink/P.O. recording of the Symphony No. 1 in high esteem here. It was the first recording I ever heard of the piece and it still remains as my favorite overall. In spite of its "slow pacing", it doesn't lack power and punch, and the timpani are glorious.
No, I like it too Cesar - I had the LP.
Another one of my favourite Walton discs is:
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Lisztianwagner

Is the Ashkenazy's recording of Walton's symphonies the same as this one?



Here the symphonies are matched with the Violin Concerto (Chung/Previn/LSO), the Viola Concerto (Neubauer/Litton/BSO) and the Cello Concerto (Cohen/Litton/BSO).
"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire." - Gustav Mahler

vandermolen

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on September 22, 2022, 01:24:29 AM
Is the Ashkenazy's recording of Walton's symphonies the same as this one?



Here the symphonies are matched with the Violin Concerto (Chung/Previn/LSO), the Viola Concerto (Neubauer/Litton/BSO) and the Cello Concerto (Cohen/Litton/BSO).
Yes, it is indeed.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Lisztianwagner

Thank you all for the suggestions, you've given me much to think about. Being a great Ashkenazy's fan, his Symphonies recording looks very tempting, but so do the others (Previn, Sargent, Haitink, Thomson, etc.).......I'll listen to as much as I can before deciding. I'm also very curious to try the Concertos and the Henry V film score.
"Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire." - Gustav Mahler

vandermolen

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on September 22, 2022, 02:54:47 AM
Thank you all for the suggestions, you've given me much to think about. Being a great Ashkenazy's fan, his Symphonies recording looks very tempting, but so do the others (Previn, Sargent, Haitink, Thomson, etc.).......I'll listen to as much as I can before deciding. I'm also very curious to try the Concertos and the Henry V film score.
I'd recommend this recording:
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

ritter

#769
And so that Ilaria has a short amuse-gueule of Henry V, this little jewel, Touch her Soft Lips and Part (here conducted by Marriner --I don't know if it0s extracted from the CD Jeffrey posted above):

https://www.youtube.com/v/hBzapuX_31s

And another favourite Walton piece, which might become pertinent in some months' time (I certainly hope it does ;)):

https://www.youtube.com/v/QANTLzPTzp4


Roasted Swan

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on September 22, 2022, 02:54:47 AM
Thank you all for the suggestions, you've given me much to think about. Being a great Ashkenazy's fan, his Symphonies recording looks very tempting, but so do the others (Previn, Sargent, Haitink, Thomson, etc.).......I'll listen to as much as I can before deciding. I'm also very curious to try the Concertos and the Henry V film score.

The Ashkenazy disc is very good - my mistake to omit it from my list of options.  Walton was very smitten by Chung (musically and otherwise!) and her recording of the violin conc is excellent - as are the Litton other two string concerti.  The Cello concerto is one of Walton's least instantly appealing works but its grown on me over time.  In other words that Decca Twofer is a good bet!

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: Roasted Swan on September 22, 2022, 07:08:12 AM
The Ashkenazy disc is very good - my mistake to omit it from my list of options.  Walton was very smitten by Chung (musically and otherwise!) and her recording of the violin conc is excellent - as are the Litton other two string concerti.  The Cello concerto is one of Walton's least instantly appealing works but its grown on me over time.  In other words that Decca Twofer is a good bet!

Thanks, so that set could be a good compromise to start exploring Walton, good to know!

Quote from: ritter on September 22, 2022, 03:17:27 AM
And so that Ilaria has a short amuse-gueule of Henry V, this little jewel, Touch her Soft Lips and Part (here conducted by Marriner --I don't know if it0s extracted from the CD Jeffrey posted above):

https://www.youtube.com/v/hBzapuX_31s

And another favourite Walton piece, which might become pertinent in some months' time (I certainly hope it does ;)):

https://www.youtube.com/v/QANTLzPTzp4

Thanks, Rafael, every suggestion is very welcome, I'll have a listen to these pieces too!

Quote from: vandermolen on September 22, 2022, 03:06:31 AM
I'd recommend this recording:

Henry V

Christopher Plummer, Neville Marriner/Academy of St Martin in the Fields


It looks really promising, Plummer, as well as Olivier, was a well-known shakespearean interpreter.
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vandermolen

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on September 22, 2022, 09:30:07 AM
Thanks, so that set could be a good compromise to start exploring Walton, good to know!

Thanks, Rafael, every suggestion is very welcome, I'll have a listen to these pieces too!

It looks really promising, Plummer, as well as Olivier, was a well-known shakespearean interpreter.
Yes, I have the Plummer and Olivier versions, and both are excellent in different ways. I also have a version narrated by John 'Bergerac' Nettles and Michael Sheen (rather too closely miked with the orchestra rather distant). BBC Music Magazine released an enjoyable version narrated by Samuel West. The Plummer is the most complete version, but Olivier has a unique atmosphere to it. I don't understand why the Olivier Hamlet has never AFAIK been released on CD.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Irons

A red-hot performance of the 1st, or as it was known then, 'Symphony' from Sir Hamilton Harty. A 1935 recording.

https://youtu.be/uXbuon4FJDQ
You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

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vandermolen

Quote from: Irons on March 06, 2023, 11:20:45 PMA red-hot performance of the 1st, or as it was known then, 'Symphony' from Sir Hamilton Harty. A 1935 recording.

https://youtu.be/uXbuon4FJDQ
Yes, it's fabulous.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Symphonic Addict

Quote from: Irons on March 06, 2023, 11:20:45 PMA red-hot performance of the 1st, or as it was known then, 'Symphony' from Sir Hamilton Harty. A 1935 recording.

https://youtu.be/uXbuon4FJDQ

For a recording of 1935, it sounds significantly good. However, some details are poor like the timpani part is not very audible.
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Dry Brett Kavanaugh

Quote from: Irons on March 06, 2023, 11:20:45 PMA red-hot performance of the 1st, or as it was known then, 'Symphony' from Sir Hamilton Harty. A 1935 recording.

https://youtu.be/uXbuon4FJDQ

Excellent performance and hip cover art.

vandermolen

Quote from: Roasted Swan on September 21, 2022, 10:47:47 PMYes.... I actually like Rattle (particularly in his CBSO days) more than a lot of folk and you'd think that Walton 1 would be right up his street.  Its perfectly good but simply put there are better - I just don't think Rattle "believes" in Walton (or Elgar or Vaughan Williams really) so its a case of going through the motions rather than performing from the heart.
I (belatedly) agree with this verdict on Rattle.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Luke

The book I am writing, about composers and 'place' in British music, can find little space for Walton as he's generally not a very place-oriented composer. But, when considering why so many composers from the North left it, I did love this little line from him describing his time as a chorister at Christchurch, Oxford. It seems we have 'it's grim up north' to thank for all that wonderful music:

QuoteI thought 'I must make myself interesting somehow or when my voice breaks, I'll be sent home to Oldham. What can I do? Write music.' So I did.

vandermolen

#779
From WAYLTN thread:
Walton Symphony No.1
New Haven SO
Cond. William Boughton

A very successful account of this great work.
The oboe passage at the start has just the right fragile quality to it which is essential to my enjoyment of the work (the famous Previn version, while well played, is too 'matter-of-fact' for my liking - I never liked that performance).
Boult (PYE), Sargent, Walton, Harty and Thomson get it just right.


"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).