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The Music Room => Composer Discussion => Topic started by: Robert on June 10, 2007, 09:24:54 AM

Title: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Robert on June 10, 2007, 09:24:54 AM
Anyone heard of this composer?  Maybe Maciek...
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on June 19, 2007, 03:52:24 AM
Hi Robert!

Well, I wouldn't call myself an expert but I do know the composer and some of his work. I find it quite enjoyable. It is quite traditional and accessible.

He was a lawyer and composer. Born in 1896, died in 1963. Studied instrumentation with Paul Dukas!! He taught some of my favorite composers: Zbigniew Bargielski, Augustyn Bloch, Henryk Czyż, Włodzimierz Kotoński.

Not much has been released on CD but he's sometimes featured on the radio here. I could upload a piece or two.

Why do you ask?

Maciek
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on June 19, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
Here's one of his pieces, written shortly after Karol Szymanowski's death:

DownloadLink: [link expired]
(should, of course, be renamed to end in ".mp3" - rapidshare sometimes cuts off the extenstions when the name is too long)

File-Size: 24,38 MB

Performed by the Amadeus Chamber Orchestra, conducted by Agnieszka Duczmal.
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: karlhenning on June 19, 2007, 04:24:50 AM
If you will indulge me in a frank tangent, Maciek, what syllable is accented in "Agnieszka"?
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on June 19, 2007, 05:05:59 AM
Here you go, Karl:

A-gnie-szka

(it's practically always the penultimate syllable in Polish - the rest are all exceptions)

8)
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on July 18, 2007, 05:16:39 AM
"Last Active: June 29th 2007"? Robert, where are you? We miss you! :'(

I think I know what might have happened but let me try to lure you back in. :D Here is another piece by Szeligowski, his Concerto for Orchestra (1928-30). Revealed only last year after more than 70 years of oblivion!

DownloadLink: [link expired]
File-Size: 32,37 MB

Performed by the Polish Radio Orchestra conducted by Krzysztof Slowinski.
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: BachQ on July 18, 2007, 05:18:42 AM
Happy birthday!  :D
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on July 18, 2007, 05:34:15 AM
You're in a birthday mood today, I see?
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: BachQ on July 18, 2007, 05:38:51 AM
Quote from: Maciek on July 18, 2007, 05:34:15 AM
You're in a birthday mood today, I see?

Can you prove that it's not his birthday today?
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on July 18, 2007, 05:42:58 AM
I'm not sure if that counts as proof for you ::) but he's said to have been born on September 13th 1896. :P ;D But yes, there is a connection with Kilar - they were both Lvovians! :D 8)
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Dundonnell on September 05, 2007, 06:39:58 AM
Naxos have just announced the release of a new CD featuring Szeligowski's Concerto for Orchestra, Piano Concerto-played by Bogdan Czapiewski, Four Polish Dances, Nocturne and Comedy Overture with the Poznan Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Mariusz Smolij.

Due out in early October(in the UK). I shall place it on order!
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 06:44:47 AM
Wow! Thanks for the exciting news! :D 8)
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: johnQpublic on September 05, 2007, 03:49:37 PM
Good timing!!

I just received a Muza LP I bought, entitled "Symphonic Works by Polish Composers" that contains Szeligowski's "Epitaphium in memorium Karol Szymanowski"!!
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on September 05, 2007, 04:23:25 PM
That's an excellent LP!!! Szabelski's Toccata = masterpiece. Perkowski's Nocturne = masterpiece. Both works are lamentably little known. Jan Krenz also happens to be one of my favorite conductors - perhaps the favorite.
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Lilas Pastia on September 05, 2007, 05:08:08 PM
Szeligowski's "Epitaphium in memorium Karol Szymanowski" is a superb work! The Concerto for orchestra is very good, too. I'll certainly go for that Naxos issue when it comes out!

I've never heard the Perkowski or Szabelski works, though. Masterpieces, hm?

;D
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on September 06, 2007, 04:28:31 AM
Oh, no, André! $:) You have heard the Perkowski and you liked it very much:

Quote from: Lilas Pastia on August 05, 2007, 06:55:53 AM
Perkowski:  Sinfonietta (1927), Nocturne for orchestra (1955), Violin Concerto (1960) and Cello Concerto (1974). As the dates show, Perkowski's carreer was a long one (1901 - 1990). Everything here is smashing good.

(...)

The Nocturne is a 10 minute work encompassing a wide range of emotions and orchestral rythms and colours. A mysterious and somber introduction gives way to a splendidly alive and exhilarating allegro section. Brilliant.

As for the Szabelski - remember to check your e-mail regularly. ;) 0:)
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Lilas Pastia on September 06, 2007, 05:03:28 AM
Goodness! All these kikis got me confused... ;D
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Dundonnell on October 06, 2007, 06:04:00 PM
OK, I have just listened to my purchase of the Naxos CD of Szeligowski's works.

First impressions? The Concerto for Orchestra(1930) is the earliest piece on the CD but easily the most advanced in idiom. It shows a great deal of promise for a (realtively) young composer and demonstrates an awareness of trends in contemporary music. An interesting piece!
I cannot think of another Concerto for Orchestra written before 1930 with the obvious exception of the Hindemith. Are there any?

The other works seem to step steadily backwards in idiom. The Piano Concerto(1941) is a pleasant piece with a lot of virtuoso piano work but the Comedy Overture(1952) and Four Polish Dances(1954) are-to my mind-less interesting. The Nocturne(1947) is a good deal better with its very obvious echoes of French impressionism.

I wonder? Was Szeligowski inhibited by the artistic climate of Poland under Communism? I read that his opera "The Student's Rebellion" was an example of "Socialist Realism" in music-which isn't encouraging! On the basis of the Concerto for Orchestra I would have said that Szeligowski could have developed into a most interesting composer but the later works seem to belie this impression.

Am I being unfair? 

Maciek?
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on October 13, 2007, 04:31:28 AM
Can't really help, I'm afraid... I only know a few of his pieces, and descriptions of a few more. I have a very hazy recollection of the Piano Concerto - I think I pretty much enjoyed it. He wrote 3 operas (the last one about a robot). "Bunt żaków" was his first. AFAIK (but I may be wrong) it is labelled as a "socialist realism" piece mainly because of the libretto. The action takes place in the Renaissance (in Cracow), and there are supposed to be lots of references to Renaissance music. I wouldn't know myself though - I've never heard or seen a single note of it. The storyline is politically oriented though. It also happens to have been the first Polish opera written and staged in Poland after the war.

Anyway, "socialist realism" in Poland basically just meant tonal music based on folk motifs, so it wouldn't have to be bad.
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on January 11, 2008, 10:38:10 PM
Two days ago 45 years passed since the man's death. I'll try to post some pieces later today when mediafire finally starts to work... ::)
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on January 14, 2008, 04:11:36 AM
Nocturne for orchestra
Polish Radio Orchestra/Pawel Przytocki
http://www.mediafire.com/?9hddzynv8cm (http://www.mediafire.com/?9hddzynv8cm)

Korowod (no. 1 from Four Polish Dances)
PRNSO/Miroslaw Jacek Blaszczyk
http://www.mediafire.com/?fnyzn42xtx6 (http://www.mediafire.com/?fnyzn42xtx6)

Lublin Waltz (no. 2 from Four Polish Dances)
PRNSO/Miroslaw Jacek Blaszczyk
http://www.mediafire.com/?3czm5msxyji (http://www.mediafire.com/?3czm5msxyji)

Piano Concerto
Andrzej Jasinski, PRNSO/Jerzy Maksymiuk
I Allegro con brio (http://www.mediafire.com/?cyutxjedeni)
II Andante (http://www.mediafire.com/?9tdeenm1ym1)
III Allegro risoluto (http://www.mediafire.com/?3g1wge6yn5j)

(I wonder if the name Andrzej Jasinski rings a bell to anyone reading this thread? ;))
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Lilas Pastia on January 14, 2008, 05:47:36 PM
Jasinski: never heard of him. Should I ?

Thanks for the program, that will complement Epitaphium and Concerto for orchestra: a full Szeligowski disc! :D
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 01:59:53 AM
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on January 14, 2008, 05:47:36 PM
Jasinski: never heard of him. Should I ?

No. I don't think it's essential classical music knowledge in any way. But he was Krystian Zimerman's piano teacher at the Warsaw Conservatory (AMFC).
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Harry on January 15, 2008, 02:41:39 AM
This one is on my pile of recordings yet to be played. ;D
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 02:52:50 AM
Is it just me or is that cover... er, ugly?
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Harry on January 15, 2008, 02:56:46 AM
Quote from: Maciek on January 15, 2008, 02:52:50 AM
Is it just me or is that cover... er, ugly?

It does not deserve a beauty price, no....... ;D
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Harry on October 07, 2008, 08:37:50 AM
A few months ago, I stumbled over a cd from Naxos, with the for me unknown Polish composer Tadeusz Szeligowski, who lived from 1896-1963. Naxos recorded 5 world premiere works, that were never commercially recorded as yet. Hearing some samples of it, it intrigued me, and was certainly inviting to dip my ears into some of his works. New composers have a certain kind of attraction for me, which is hard to resist, most of the time anyway. The first thing that is irritatingly on the foreground is a very pushy sound stage, lucid, yet hard and unforgiving, so the volume has to go low, very low. Secondly, what is apparent also, is the somewhat unloving and very technical approach, as if there is no love for the music at all, but meant to show prowess, and flawless articulation. A virtual show off, of all involved. There is such a propulsive energy in the works presented, that it makes you gasp. The piano concerto for instance, is very percussive like written, the first movement, Allegro con Brio, is hammered into your head in a machine gun like fashion, painful for my ears and senses, and even the following Andante, is not free of it, not to mention the Allegro risoluto, very aggressive playing. Technically flawless playing by Bogdan Czapiewski. A small but brilliantly scored work, the Comedy Overture is brimful with quirks and jolly twists, but suffers under a booming recording, with the basses and celli barely distinguishable. A pity, for it has a lot of potential.
The Four Polish Dances fare better, and the second movement Waltz from the Lublin region is a charmer as there ever was.
A impressive and large scale work the Concerto for Orchestra with a nice solo for violin in it, played by Anna Ziolkowska, is by far the finest work on this recording, very accessible in its complexity with Sibelian leanings, certainly in the first movement. The Nocturne for Orchestra makes me realize, that this composer needs repeated listening before one understands the reason and complexity behind it all.
Tonal, propulsive, rhythmically in a very percussive way, broad gestures, sublime moments as in the closing pages of the Nocturne, with Mahlerian lines in it, which end in a marvelous PPP close on the second strings.
The Poznan PO, under Mariusz Smolij, is adequate, but on this recording at times not very refined.
This is the only cd with these works, so if you want them, by all means recommended, but with some restrictions I mentioned.
Otherwise wait for a better recording and performance, which might never come! 
Title: Re: Tadeusz Szeligowski
Post by: Maciek on October 08, 2008, 12:49:29 AM
I recorded (from a radio stream) an extended excerpt from his opera (Bunt żaków - The Students' Rebellion) a couple of days ago. Could upload if anyone is interested. Haven't listened to it yet myself.