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Title: Five et Cinq
Post by: ChamberNut on March 16, 2009, 07:10:08 AM
What are currently your five favorite composers, and your five composers "on the rise"?

Right now:

Favorites

Beethoven
Brahms
Bruckner
Mozart
Wagner

On The Rise

Shostakovich
Bartok
Mahler
Stravinsky
Haydn
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: karlhenning on March 16, 2009, 07:26:07 AM
Quote from: KammerNuss on March 16, 2009, 07:10:08 AM
What are currently your five favorite composers, and your five composers "on the rise"?

Right now:

Favorites

Nielsen
Stravinsky
Schoenberg
Messiaen
Shostakovich

On The Rise

Mahler
Carter (already up there, but rising still)
Koechlin
Feldman (moving slowly, as he ought, and it's a steady ascent)
Hermann
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: jwinter on March 16, 2009, 07:37:17 AM
Yay, a ranking thread!  Who'd a thunk it?   :P :-*

I'll play --

Favorites (confirmed faves for over a year):

Beethoven
Bruckner
Mozart
Mahler
Brahms

On the rise (my listening and appreciation has increased a lot in the past year.  A couple of these may be ready to move up into the above five):

Chopin
Haydn
Sibelius
Bach
Tchaikovsky
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: ChamberNut on March 16, 2009, 07:38:18 AM
Quote from: jwinter on March 16, 2009, 07:37:17 AM
Favorites (confirmed faves for over a year):

Beethoven
Bruckner
Mozart
Mahler
Brahms


Wow J, almost exactly like my faves!  :o
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: karlhenning on March 16, 2009, 07:40:26 AM
Quote from: jwinter on March 16, 2009, 07:37:17 AM
Yay, a ranking thread!  Who'd a thunk it?   :P :-*

I like that Ray specifically added the adjective current  0:)
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: ChamberNut on March 16, 2009, 07:42:44 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 16, 2009, 07:40:26 AM
I like that Ray specifically added the adjective current  0:)

Yes!  Because mine has indeed changed, and I'm sure will continue to change from time to time.  You can update this at any time.  0:)
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: canninator on March 16, 2009, 07:48:19 AM
Quote from: KammerNuss on March 16, 2009, 07:10:08 AM
What are currently your five favorite composers, and your five composers "on the rise"?

Favorites right now (changes over time of course)

Narvaez
Mudarra
Bach
Dowland
de Milano


On the Rise

Corbetta
Palestrina
Fuenllana
Murcia
Sor

Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Josquin des Prez on March 16, 2009, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: canninator on March 16, 2009, 07:48:19 AM
Favorites right now (changes over time of course)

Narvaez
Mudarra
Bach
Dowland
de Milano


On the Rise

Corbetta
Palestrina
Fuenllana
Murcia
Sor



The hell...
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: karlhenning on March 16, 2009, 08:22:56 AM
"Josquin," this thread can only bring you pain . . . .
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: canninator on March 16, 2009, 08:23:53 AM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 16, 2009, 08:04:40 AM
The hell...

Favorites right now (changes over time of course)

Narvaez  vihuelist/composer from 16th C Spain
Mudarra ditto
Bach little known German composer, ripe for rediscovery
Dowland English master of the late-renaissance lute song
de Milano dodgy little Italian with a feather in his hat or the greatest composer for renaissance lute? I'm undecided.


On the Rise

Corbetta Baroque guitarist
Palestrina Little known composer who wrote some sacred music
Fuenllana another vihuelist
Murcia Santiago de, another baroque guitarist
Sor guitar of classical period, previously I'd considered quite dry and mannered, Jose Moreno (Glossa, not Chelsea FC) has changed my mind.


Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,   
And sorry I could not travel both...
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: karlhenning on March 16, 2009, 08:28:10 AM
Dodgy little Italians can be likeable, too.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Bogey on March 16, 2009, 08:39:44 AM
Top Five

Beethoven
Haydn
Bach
Mozart
Copland

On the rise: These are composers that I would not be surprised if I owned all their works in the future:

Dvořák
Ravel
Respighi
Fauré
Puccini  ;)

and just making it on to the radar of late: Volkmann

Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Bulldog on March 16, 2009, 08:40:55 AM
Favorites:
Bach
Scriabin
Shostakovich
Schumann
Zemlinsky

On the Rise:
Mahler
Bruckner
Martin
Miaskovsky
Weinberg
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Diletante on March 16, 2009, 08:52:16 AM
Current favorites:


Tchaikovsky
Beethoven
Mahler
Chopin
Ravel


On the rise:

Shostakovich
Schoenberg
Brahms
Bartók
Rachmaninoff
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: bhodges on March 16, 2009, 08:58:12 AM
Faves:

Bartók
Berg
Britten
Shostakovich
Stravinsky

On the rise (like these a lot already, just need to hear more):

Rihm
Dalbavie
Grisey
Scelsi
Murail

--Bruce
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: ChamberNut on March 16, 2009, 09:08:51 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 16, 2009, 07:26:07 AM
Right now:

Favorites

Nielsen
Stravinsky
Schoenberg
Messiaen
Shostakovich

Karl,

I knew Shosty and Stavinsky were two of your faves, however, I did not know about Nielsen, Messiaen or Schoenberg.  Interesting.  :)  I expected JSB, Carter and Bartok to make that list.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: orbital on March 16, 2009, 09:09:37 AM
Current:
Chopin
Scriabin
Bach
Rachmaninov
Schumann

On the rise lately:
Mompou
Lourie
Mosolov
Sibelius  :o
Mozart  ;D

Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 16, 2009, 09:12:21 AM
Top Five

Wagner
Mahler
Bruckner
Sibelius
Beethoven

That list hasn't changed in 35 years.

I have trouble picking five on the rise since my current pool of 300 favorites (  ;D ) has no composers I've recently come to appreciate more than I did, say, five or ten years ago. Thanks to Johan, I've finally heard all the symphonies of Havergal Brian, but my already high esteem for his music hasn't risen but has been confirmed.

Sarge
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: karlhenning on March 16, 2009, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: KammerNuss on March 16, 2009, 09:08:51 AM
Karl,

I knew Shosty and Stavinsky were two of your faves, however, I did not know about Nielsen, Messiaen or Schoenberg.  Interesting.  :)  I expected JSB, Carter and Bartok to make that list.

Another day, they would, Ray;  I was going by what I've been playing (apart from GENESIS) lately  8)
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: ChamberNut on March 16, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 16, 2009, 09:38:07 AM
Another day, they would, Ray;  I was going by what I've been playing (apart from GENESIS) lately  8)

Ahh, I see Grasshopper!  8)
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: karlhenning on March 16, 2009, 09:42:22 AM
Quote from: KammerNuss on March 16, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
. . .  8)

That emoticon likes me well, somehow . . . .
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 16, 2009, 09:46:13 AM
Oh, I don't know...

Solid:

Bach
Beethoven
Chopin

I listen the fuck out of those guys.

Other:

Beethoven or Haydn or Brahms or Schumann or Purcell or Mozart or...
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: karlhenning on March 16, 2009, 09:48:07 AM
Looks like Ludwig van double-dipped there . . . .
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Dr. Dread on March 16, 2009, 09:48:44 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 16, 2009, 09:48:07 AM
Looks like Ludwig van double-dipped there . . . .

Not only Beethoven, but Beethoven!!!

I think Schubey was supposed to go there.  ;D
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Bogey on March 16, 2009, 11:40:59 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 16, 2009, 09:12:21 AM
Top Five

Wagner
Mahler
Bruckner
Sibelius
Beethoven

That list hasn't changed in 35 years.


And neither has, or will, the avatar.  Heck, Sarge had this avatar on these back in the day:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/IBM1130CopyCard.agr.jpg/250px-IBM1130CopyCard.agr.jpg)
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Josquin des Prez on March 16, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 16, 2009, 08:28:10 AM
Dodgy little Italians can be likeable, too.

I just have an hard time believing that dodgy little Italians with a recorded output amounting to a mere handful of cds containing brief polyphonic ditties for lute could prefigure in anyone's favoted "top 5" list out of the entire pool of incommensurable genius found within our classical tradition. Ho wait, i get it, it's all about individual taste, right? We should all be respectful to canninator for his esoteric choice and perhaps praise him for his originality on top of it, right?
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: nut-job on March 16, 2009, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 16, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
I just have an hard time believing that dodgy little Italians with a recorded output amounting to a mere handful of cds containing brief polyphonic ditties for lute could prefigure in anyone's favoted "top 5" list out of the entire pool of incommensurable genius found within our classical tradition. Ho wait, i get it, it's all about individual taste, right? We should all be respectful to canninator for his esoteric choice and perhaps praise him for his originality on top of it, right?

Too bad JdP isn't a moderator, then he could just delete reference to composers who are not geniuses and save us from our delusions.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: George on March 16, 2009, 12:23:50 PM
Quote from: KammerNuss on March 16, 2009, 07:10:08 AM
What are currently your five favorite composers, and your five composers "on the rise"?


Favorites

Beethoven
Chopin
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Shostakovich

On The Rise

Ligeti
Faure
Schoenberg
Bruckner
Mahler
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Gabriel on March 16, 2009, 12:39:50 PM
Currently, as the ones I'm currently interested in (so not "all-time favourites", for these would be probably Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn and Schubert).

Favourites
Krommer
Field
Haydn
Rejcha
Cherubini

On the rise
Hyacinthe Jadin
Dusík
Wölfl
Fesca
Clementi
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 16, 2009, 01:51:15 PM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 16, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
I just have an hard time believing that dodgy little Italians with a recorded output amounting to a mere handful of cds containing brief polyphonic ditties for lute could prefigure in anyone's favoted "top 5" list out of the entire pool of incommensurable genius found within our classical tradition. Ho wait, i get it, it's all about individual taste, right? We should all be respectful to canninator for his esoteric choice and perhaps praise him for his originality on top of it, right?

Shut up.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: nut-job on March 16, 2009, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: donwyn on March 16, 2009, 01:51:15 PM
Shut up.

Succinct, yet it leaves nothing unsaid.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Lethevich on March 16, 2009, 10:07:16 PM
My favourites keep changing (except for Haydn - I seem to find a world of invention in particular in his symphonies):

Current favourites:
Haydn
Chopin
Bach

Rising in enjoyment:
Wagner
Schoenberg
Britten

Burnt out on:
Brahms
Josquin
RVW
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: springrite on March 16, 2009, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 16, 2009, 09:38:07 AM
Another day, they would, Ray;  I was going by what I've been playing (apart from GENESIS) lately  8)

Thus the "right now".  ;D

Five I have played a lot lately:

Bach
Medtner
Scriabin
Carter
Chopin

Five I used to play a lot but have hardly played at all in the past months:

Brahms
Beethoven
Feldman
Mahler
Liszt


I know, I changed the question a bit. Then again, this is the only way I could reply.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: snyprrr on March 16, 2009, 11:03:22 PM
A)

1. Xenakis
2. Sciarrino/ Ligeti/ Lutoslawski/ Donatoni/ Yun/ Scelsi/ Feldman/ Rihm-Lachenmann...and the rest-all of them
3. Honegger/ Pettersson/ Sessions
4. any string quartet after 1888 (or anything by Arditti,hrumph)
5. Finzi

B)

1. Ropartz/ Koechlin/ d'Indy/ Magnard/ Schmitt/ Pizzetti etc.
2. Boccherini/ Cherubini/ Spohr
3. Wolf/ Busoni/ Pfitzner/ Krenek/ Berg-Sch-Webrn
4. Jeff Buckley/ Chris Bell
5. true silence
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: canninator on March 17, 2009, 12:55:00 AM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on March 16, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
I just have an hard time believing that dodgy little Italians with a recorded output amounting to a mere handful of cds containing brief polyphonic ditties for lute could prefigure in anyone's favoted "top 5" list out of the entire pool of incommensurable genius found within our classical tradition. Ho wait, i get it, it's all about individual taste, right? We should all be respectful to canninator for his esoteric choice and perhaps praise him for his originality on top of it, right?

I didn't want to have to state the obvious but I will. The OP stated "current" top five so take it elsewhere tough guy.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Guido on March 17, 2009, 05:22:34 AM
Quote from: snyprrr on March 16, 2009, 11:03:22 PM
A)

1. Xenakis
2. Sciarrino/ Ligeti/ Lutoslawski/ Donatoni/ Yun/ Scelsi/ Feldman/ Rihm-Lachenmann...and the rest-all of them
3. Honegger/ Pettersson/ Sessions
4. any string quartet after 1888 (or anything by Arditti,hrumph)
5. Finzi

B)

1. Ropartz/ Koechlin/ d'Indy/ Magnard/ Schmitt/ Pizzetti etc.
2. Boccherini/ Cherubini/ Spohr
3. Wolf/ Busoni/ Pfitzner/ Krenek/ Berg-Sch-Webrn
4. Jeff Buckley/ Chris Bell
5. true silence

What have Honegger/ Pettersson/ Sessions got to do with each other?

Also - very glad to see Finzi on here! He really is a wonderful composer, and my favourite of the 'minor masters' of English composers of that time.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Kullervo on March 17, 2009, 07:04:10 AM
Favorites
Sibelius
Fauré
Honegger
Schoenberg
Nielsen

On the rise
Koechlin
Janáček
Diamond
Ives
F. Martin
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: DavidRoss on March 17, 2009, 08:51:28 AM
Hmmm.  Favorites?  Definitely Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and Sibelius.  Picking a fifth gets tough.  Stravinsky?  Mahler?  Prokofiev?  Brahms?  All contenders, but I probably enjoy listening to Debussy as much as any of them.

On the rise?  Definitely Mahler--at least I'm listening to his music more than I have in some years.  Probably Bax, but it's a very gradual ascent.  Pärt's getting more play recently.  Rosetti, unknown to me until recently, so even a little play indicates a prodigious ascent.  And both Bruckner & Dvořák have been moving up steadily over the past few years.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: karlhenning on March 17, 2009, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on March 17, 2009, 08:51:28 AM
On the rise?  Definitely Mahler--at least I'm listening to his music more than I have in some years.

Same here.  Even my most painful concert-going experience ever — a Mahler Sixth conducted by Ozawa — has been effectively nullified by this wonderful new issue of Levine and the BSO playing the piece.  I believe my days of poo-poohing Mahler are done.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: ChamberNut on March 17, 2009, 09:49:06 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 17, 2009, 09:46:18 AM
Same here.  Even my most painful concert-going experience ever — a Mahler Sixth conducted by Ozawa — has been effectively nullified by this wonderful new issue of Levine and the BSO playing the piece.  I believe my days of poo-poohing Mahler are done.

Nice to hear, Karl!  I myself am eagerly awaiting a performance of Mahler's 6th live, the season finale of the Wpg Symphony Orchestra.  They better damn play the Andante as the 3rd movement!!   ;) ;)
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: DavidRoss on March 17, 2009, 04:56:54 PM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 17, 2009, 09:46:18 AM
Same here.  Even my most painful concert-going experience ever — a Mahler Sixth conducted by Ozawa — has been effectively nullified by this wonderful new issue of Levine and the BSO playing the piece.  I believe my days of poo-poohing Mahler are done.
And the 6th is one of my favorite 8 or 9 of his symphonies.  It was tapping into my local band's recent recordings that got me back on board the Mahler train, as well.  And it might help that we haven't had many "Mahler is God and everyone else sucks" threads around here lately.  Of course, I can still love much of Gus's music while still thinking it could have been much better if only he'd had a blue pencil.  The thing is that though the craftsmanship often fails by my admittedly modernist standards, so much of his music is so glorious that little else comes close in either of the genres in which he excelled.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: mahler10th on March 17, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
Right Now (no order):

1. Ture Rangstrom
2. E. Rautavaara
3. Sibelius
4. Martinu
5. Malcom Arnold

On the up...

1. Stenhammar
2. Palestrina
3. Schubert
4. George Lloyd
5. The Arditti Quartet

Permanents:

Sibelius, Mahler, Bruckner, Beethoven, R. Strauss

Wot?  No Schoenberg, Berg or Webern?   :-X
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Kullervo on March 17, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on March 17, 2009, 08:51:28 AM
Rosetti, unknown to me until recently, so even a little play indicates a prodigious ascent.

What is his music like?
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: snyprrr on March 17, 2009, 06:13:01 PM
Quote from: Guido on March 17, 2009, 05:22:34 AM
What have Honegger/ Pettersson/ Sessions got to do with each other?

They write symphonies?  :P
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Bogey on March 18, 2009, 03:55:12 AM
Quote from: Corey on March 17, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
What is his music like?

Sorry to interrupt.  I just got my first disc of his work recently.  Harry started me with this one, Corey.  Wonderful stuff:

http://www.amazon.com/Rosetti-Clarinet-Concertos-Concerto-Horns/dp/B00001NTPE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1237377194&sr=1-1

See PM.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: DavidRoss on March 18, 2009, 05:23:49 AM
Quote from: Corey on March 17, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
What is his music like?
He was a classical composer of many symphonies, concertos, quartets, trios, quintets, and choral pieces.  A contemporary of Haydn and Mozart, his music sounds similar in style.
Title: Re: Five et Cinq
Post by: Kullervo on March 18, 2009, 05:27:33 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on March 18, 2009, 05:23:49 AM
He was a classical composer of many symphonies, concertos, quartets, trios, quintets, and choral pieces.  A contemporary of Haydn and Mozart, his music sounds similar in style.

Thanks. I did some reading up on him anyway (I only asked to spark conversation). I can appreciate the classics objectively but deep down inside they do nothing for me.