Poll
Question:
What never composed work would you like to hear?
Option 1: A late Wagner symphony
Option 2: A Bruckner organ concerto
Option 3: A Janacek symphony
Option 4: A Bartok clarinet concerto
Option 5: A Verdi piano concerto
Option 6: A Mahler Requiem
Option 7: A late Debussy piano concerto
Option 8: Make a wish: propose your own!
Option 9: Make another wish!!
2 Wishes are allowed.
Feel free to fantasize and make your own, original proposal: choose a work that's never been composed but that would excite all music lovers' interest! hint: try to imagine something the composer is not known for (not a Brahms 5th symphony for example ::))
I voted for the Janáček symphony, and my Make a Wish piece is the Nielsen horn concerto.
A Bruckner organ concerto would be awesome. My second wish is for a minor key string quintet from Gustav Mahler, composed, wedged, between Das Lied and the Ninth symphony.
Sarge
Edit: I realize that the suggestion of a Verdi Macbeth flies in the face of my own injunction "try to imagine something the composer is not known for (not a Brahms 5th symphony for example )" ;D
Check out the edited poll for an alternative suggestion. I voted for the Verdi concerto and Janacek symphony. The Debussy was a hard choice: he did compose a concertante work for piano (Ballade), but I'd love to hear him in his late manner in strict concerto structure.
A Janacek Symphony, and a instrumental ending for the 9th Symphony by Beethoven.
Scriabin String Quartet
A Messiaen cello concerto, or violin concerto. Rostropovich had in fact commissioned one in the 80s (or rather requested one), but Messiaen never got round to it. There is the Cncert a quartre of course.
A Gerschwin string concerto would have been great I'm sure. The Honegger cello concerto is actually quite close in style.
An Ives, Scriabin, Mahler or Ravel string concerto too...
But yeah Janacek Symphony or Debussy concerto would also be lovely.
Quote from: Harry on May 30, 2007, 05:39:49 AM
. . . and a instrumental ending for the 9th Symphony by Beethoven.
Harry, you're wicked! ;D
Nice one, André!
I voted for the 2 piano concerti.
Quote from: Guido on May 30, 2007, 05:46:22 AM
A Messiaen cello concerto, or violin concerto.
And this would have gotten the Verdi vote but I didn't see it soon enough...
Hmm... If I could redirect the course of musical history...
You could really have quite a bit of fun of this topic :)
Of the choices, I'd go with the Clarinet Piece.
Quote from: Steve on May 30, 2007, 05:50:31 AM
Hmm... If I could redirect the course of musical history...
Elgar would have been a tailor? ;D ;D ;D
A Bartók clarinet concerto sounds like a fabulous idea! Considering the clarinet writing in Contrasts and Miraculous Mandarin, it would also be one of the most difficult clarinet concertos ever.
Bela Bartok came under the influence of Richard Strauss for a brief period. During this period he wrote the tone poem, Kossuth. Bartok also made a piano transcription of Strauss's Ein Heldenleben and played it in concert in Vienna.
My wish is to have been at that concert. Obviously Bartok and Strauss went their seperate ways with little respect for each other's compositions.
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:XOO7PEjHrvYC7M:http://pvillarroel.free.fr/images/musicos/bartok.gif)
Debussy should have continued with Afternoon of a Faun.
Quote from: Kullervo on May 30, 2007, 06:39:34 AM
Debussy should have continued with Afternoon of a Faun.
You mean, he ought to have composed the interlude and postlude which he had originally schemed?
He was to have renamed the piece The Faun on Quaalude.
Late Debussy PC
+
special request: A third book of WTK :-[
There are too many :(
Bruckner:
Substantial solo organ works! (How could he have left none?)
An opera!!
Concerto for any instrument
A choral symphony
Brahms:
An opera!!!
Elgar:
Viola concerto
String trio
Cello sonata
Sibelius:
Piano concerto!!!!
Quote from: Drasko on May 30, 2007, 05:41:02 AM
Scriabin String Quartet
I strongly agree with this.
Quote from: karlhenning on May 30, 2007, 06:41:56 AM
You mean, he ought to have composed the interlude and postlude which he had originally schemed?
Uh-huh
A Mahler opera.
Piano Concerti by Schubert, Wagner, Mahler, Janacek, Sibelius, Bruckner
Mature Requiems by Wagner, Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Bruckner**, Bach
Opera by Brahms, Mahler, Bruckner, Bach
** Bruckner's d minor requiem is rather youthful
Definitely a Bartok clarinet concerto.
Since Karl already took my "Make a Wish" (Nielsen's projected, but never written, horn concerto), I'll suggest ... hmm ... a quintet for piano and strings!
(Now I can't make up my mind between Ligeti, Janacek and Prokofiev as projected composers.)
Just to piss someone off:
Something complex by Elgar. ;D
Just kidding. I want a Mahler Requiem.
Pettersson Requiem that makes his 7th Symphony look like a trip to the kiddy petting zoo .......
a Mahler opera.
a bruckner piano concerto
a chopin symphony
a wagner symphony
Quote from: Drasko on May 30, 2007, 05:41:02 AM
Scriabin String Quartet
I definitely agree with this but of course a Fanny Hensel piano concerto is a must, complete with some wonderful melodies, plenty of chromatic harmony and those wonderful augmented octave clashes.
Mahler Requiem with Brahms Opera.
Another one I'd like: a Chopin Requiem! :o
I like this thread. I chose the Bruckbner organ concerto (it would have been glorius) and the Bartok Clarinet Concerto. Karl and I also agree on a Nielsen Horn Concerto, which we've mentioned elsewhere.
For my own part, I'd love to hear a Sixth Quartet or a String Symphony from Elliott Carter (the former is still possible, the latter unlikely), and an opera from Charles Ives.
Ives considered of doing an opera on the subject of Benedict Arnold, but the libretto, written by a releative, I think, was unusable. I can't think of who would have been able to write a suitable libretto in the 1910s, when Ives was at the height of his powers.
2 works? Then 2 more Mozart/da ponte operas would be nice.
Quote from: Harry on May 30, 2007, 05:39:49 AM
...a instrumental ending for the 9th Symphony by Beethoven.
Hasn't anyone ever just recorded the vocal parts with instruments? :-\
Verdi PC for me. 8)
Quote from: George on May 30, 2007, 03:24:58 PM
Hasn't anyone ever just recorded the vocal parts with instruments? :-\
Verdi PC for me. 8)
I keep hearing in my head a Verdi PC last movement starting with the Dies Irae theme played by the piano (with the bass drum thwacks intact of course ;D)
A Webern opera.
And one that breaks the two hour barrier no matter how many DOZENS of miniature scenes/acts are required!
Second:
More opera from the master, Shostakovich.
His obvious love for the theatre deserved full flowering.
To be cut off like that...just criminal.
Three more symphonies from Mozart....I believe he was just revving up with 39-41. :)
Also:
Another three albums worth of music via a collaboration between Miles Davis, Bill Evans, John Coltrane, "Cannonball" Adderley, Paul Chambers, and Jimmy Cobb. (Especially the two in bold, as they were only together for about 8 months or so.)
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on May 30, 2007, 06:42:58 PM
I keep hearing in my head a Verdi PC last movement starting with the Dies Irae theme played by the piano (with the bass drum thwacks intact of course ;D)
Yes, as a matter of fact, conducted by Fricsay with Richter at the Piano. It is a wish thread... 8)
I wish Schubert had lived to see 80.
I wish Schubert Mozart had lived to see 80.
I think we all feel the same way bud. I wonder what would happen to Beethoven is he did?
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on May 30, 2007, 05:23:26 AM
2 Wishes are allowed.
Feel free to fantasize and make your own, original proposal: choose a work that's never been composed but that would excite all music lovers' interest! hint: try to imagine something the composer is not known for (not a Brahms 5th symphony for example ::))
my 2 wishes
-- palestrina instrumental music (especially for organ) & music for solo voice
-- bach string trios
(does that count as 3?)
runners-up:
-- bach requiem
-- victoria secular music
Quote from: Bogey on May 30, 2007, 07:37:31 PM
Three more symphonies from Mozart....I believe he was just revving up with 39-41. :)
Such a compelling 'what if':
Mozart and Beethoven hitting their stride simultaneously (nearly, that is) and propelling the symphony to new heights.
If only Mozart had been given the chance...
I would like to hear:
Karl Henning: Symphony 10
Karl, what do you think of your "Concept cd"? I made it just for you! ;D
How about some recordings that never got made, but you wish they had?
1. A Beethoven 9th from Carlos Kleiber, leading the Vienna Philharmonic. With Leontyne Price, Marilyn Horne, Ben Heppner and Dmitri Hvorotovsky.
1a. A complete Wagners "Ring" with Carlos Kleiber leading the Bayreuth Festival Orchestra. Cast to be determined.
2. A "Rite of Spring" from Fritz Reiner and the Chicago Symphony
3. A Mahler "Resurrection" Symphony from Herbert Von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic.
4. A complete "Swan Lake" from Pierre Monteux and the London or Boston Symphony. (same for Sleeping Beauty and the Nutcracker)
5. Total silence from Erich Leinsdorf, Seiji Ozawa and Christof Eschenbach.
6. A Toscanini "Bruckner 8th" leading the New York Philharmonic
7. A Toscanini "Scheherazade" by Rimsky-Korsakov (using the Philadelphia Orchestra). Ravels composition by the same name, IMO is worthless.
8.
Abbado doing the Atterberg symphonies would be a treat! 0:)
A late Debussy piano Concerto would be nice.
Quote from: Joe Barron on May 30, 2007, 02:01:23 PM
I like this thread. I chose the Bruckbner organ concerto (it would have been glorius) and the Bartok Clarinet Concerto. Karl and I also agree on a Nielsen Horn Concerto, which we've mentioned elsewhere.
For my own part, I'd love to hear a Sixth Quartet or a String Symphony from Elliott Carter (the former is still possible, the latter unlikely), and an opera from Charles Ives.
Ives considered of doing an opera on the subject of Benedict Arnold, but the libretto, written by a releative, I think, was unusable. I can't think of who would have been able to write a suitable libretto in the 1910s, when Ives was at the height of his powers.
James Joyce.
Quote from: Mozart on May 30, 2007, 08:17:56 PM
I wish Schubert Mozart had lived to see 80.
Maybe they would have stopped writing at 50, anyway. You never know 0:)
I wish for 1,000,000 more wishes. 8)
Quote from: 12tone. on May 30, 2007, 09:01:08 PM
I would like to hear:
Karl Henning: Symphony 10
Karl, what do you think of your "Concept cd"? I made it just for you! ;D
Delighted!
Though I don't see my
Tenth as a cow-pat affair ;D
A fervent wish for peace amongst men, and a loving attitude towards everyone that is of good will.
Quote from: Harry on May 31, 2007, 03:58:03 AM
A fervent wish for peace amongst men, and a loving attitude towards everyone. that is of good will.
I agree Harry! (with a small edit) :)
Late Beethoven Piano concerto.
Quote from: karlhenning on May 31, 2007, 03:53:28 AM
Delighted!
Though I don't see my Tenth as a cow-pat affair ;D
Henning, Symphony No. 10 (The Pastoral) :)
A Mahler Requiem
A late Debussy piano concerto
Quote from: Guido on May 31, 2007, 06:51:06 AM
Late Beethoven Piano concerto.
Post of the day. 8)
Quote from: Mozart on May 30, 2007, 08:17:56 PM
I wish Schubert Mozart 8090.
A third Brahms PC!
~
Another set of songs equal in intensity and beauty to Vier letzte Lieder.
how come you can't select "Make your own wish" twice? When I click it twice, it just unchecks it. Stupid thing. Oh well. I just chose that.
I wish Mahler wrote a Requiem and Debussy wrote a piano concerto
I voted for the Bartok Clarinet Concerto (great idea!) and the Debussy PC. Janacek symphony would be ncie too. What I'd like to see as well would be:
- a Brahms Horn Concerto, Clarinet Concerto and Cello Concerto (what he does with those instruments in his symphonies is just marvelous);
- a serious/tragic opera by Humperdinck;
- Mussorgsky's own orchestration of Pictures;
- Albéniz Piano Concerto or even a Violin concerto
- a Messiaen opera cycle.
Quote from: O Mensch on May 31, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
- a Brahms Horn Concerto, Clarinet Concerto and Cello Concerto (what he does with those instruments in his symphonies is just marvelous);
Great idea: very much seconded. I might even withdraw my suggestion in favour of this.
Quote from: edward on May 31, 2007, 12:12:49 PM
Great idea: very much seconded. I might even withdraw my suggestion in favour of this.
I don't think your withdrawing your original makes a difference. I don't think Brahms is about to jump out of his grave if we can get a few more votes. ;)
Quote from: O Mensch on May 31, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
- a Messiaen opera cycle.
Now, that would be interesting.
i went for the gm requiem and a make-a-wish mozart trumpet concerto...both dedicated to me, of course!! :)
dj
Quote from: david johnson on May 31, 2007, 12:31:45 PM
i went for the gm requiem and a make-a-wish mozart trumpet concerto...both dedicated to me, of course!! :)
You know that Mozart hated that instrument, right?
...how very, very backward! obviously too much time trifling with keyboards and fiddles ;D
dj
My wished ideal piece most likely exists but i have yet to discover it ...
Voted for Mahler requiem in the meantime.... (also because i have never heard Webern, Bruckner, Janacek, Bartok, so i have no idea what those wished pieces would sound like at all :-\ :-[ )
Quote from: Ubloobideega on May 31, 2007, 11:43:25 AM
how come you can't select "Make your own wish" twice?
Your wish has been granted!
Quote from: O Mensch on May 31, 2007, 12:38:07 PM
You know that Mozart hated that instrument, right?
Well, yes and no. As a child, they hurt his ears. Particularly since they were natural trumpets and if they weren't perfectly in tune with each other the dissonance could be bad. But later, he always and happily included them, usually writing the parts for them (and timpani) as extra parts on their own score so that orchestras that didn't have access could choose to do without. :)
8)
Quote from: O Mensch on May 31, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
- Mussorgsky's own orchestration of Pictures;
Yes! 8) 8) 8)
(But hopefully we'd still get to keep Ravel's...?)
Quote from: MrOsa on May 31, 2007, 03:50:40 PM
Yes! 8) 8) 8)
(But hopefully we'd still get to keep Ravel's...?)
Seconded ........
Quote from: O Mensch on May 31, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
- Mussorgsky's own orchestration of Pictures;
Why not appreciate this brilliant piece of piano writing as it stands?
I'm not hoping for a piano arrangement of Ravel's orchestration. Maybe that's already been done.
I'd like Tchaikowsky's version of the Ballet of the Unhatched Chickens.
Quote from: Ten thumbs on June 01, 2007, 12:04:36 PM
Why not appreciate this brilliant piece of piano writing as it stands?
Who says we don't?
Prokofiev Concerto for Two PIanos, a work he planned by never got around to.
Quote from: MrOsa on June 01, 2007, 12:37:11 PM
Who says we don't?
Excellent, so we don't need the Catacombae orchestrated by Wagner.
Quote from: Lilas Pastia on May 30, 2007, 05:23:26 AM
2 Wishes are allowed.
Feel free to fantasize and make your own, original proposal: choose a work that's never been composed but that would excite all music lovers' interest! hint: try to imagine something the composer is not known for (not a Brahms 5th symphony for example ::))
I wish Varese had written the opera he proposed:
The Firmament Is Gone. Varese wrote little for the voice, but what he did write is absolutely enthralling, and the eerie plot of TFIG, coupled with Varese's supercharged music, would have undoubtedly have been one of his masterworks. Alas, not to be...