Poll
Question:
Satan is...
Option 1: An evil being
votes: 3
Option 2: A concept
votes: 5
Option 3: A way of life
votes: 0
Option 4: Stupid
votes: 2
Option 5: A banana
votes: 1
Option 6: Fun at parties
votes: 5
Option 7: Other
votes: 7
>:D
What, no explicit MN Dave option? >:D
Damn! I blew that one.
Satan is a one horned nutcase. And he / she is stupid. :-\
.... posting on this forum right now, using the name "Sean"... 0:)
8)
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 17, 2009, 12:51:12 PM
.... posting on this forum right now, using the name "Sean"... 0:)
8)
:D
Darn it; I thought you were taking nominations, and I have a sure winner!!!
Just another god, I guess. It's just a name to which nothing, and therefore anything, can be attached.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 17, 2009, 12:51:12 PM
.... posting on this forum right now, using the name "Sean"... 0:)
8)
Hey!
Sean is
good for us, and at the very least he exists. That's not very Satan-like.
:D
is not a god, i know rather than guess. :)
dj
Satan is definitely NOT a banana.
Satan is a cheesecake will everything followed by a moussecake with all the toppings. That, Dave, is Satan for you.
I think (but cannot be sure) that Satan might be a gregorious spondulator.
Quote from: david johnson on June 17, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
is not a god, i know rather than guess. :)
dj
It has the general characteristics of a god. It's believed, otherwise isn't there, cares about us (in a way). What's un-godlike about it?
(http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/viggomortensen-theprophecydevil.jpg)
Only known foto...he's shy.
Quote from: Elgarian on June 18, 2009, 12:40:28 AM
I think (but cannot be sure) that Satan might be a gregorious spondulator.
;D Satan sent Elgar to destroy your mind.
:)
Some folks take S over G.
Satan is...
Like the garbage man. Somebody's gotta do it.
the "What are you eating?" thread.
Crap, I just sold my soul to Stan.
A family sized,full bottle of pepperoncini.
Quote from: corey on June 18, 2009, 06:59:55 AM
Crap, I just sold my soul to Stan.
And what have you got in return from Stanley?
Quote from: opus106 on June 18, 2009, 07:08:39 AM
And what have you got in return?
Stan's just some guy in Accounting. Maybe he'll give me some of his Healthy Choice Marsala Chicken at lunch in the break room. That's a fair trade for my mortal soul.
I find satanists for the most part to be hedonistic atheists who need attention. Sure, be a hedonistic atheist but why draw attention to yourself with all the boogity-boogity?
Quote from: owlice on June 17, 2009, 02:17:38 PM
Darn it; I thought you were taking nominations, and I have a sure winner!!!
Could you be talking about me? Of course you remember ME from Classical Hub, don't you?
I'm flattered.
Of course, for hockey fans, Satan can only mean Miloslav Satan! >:D
I read that Satan was big among Romantics.
"The world would be a boring place without Ozzy Osbourne." Robert Plant
Substitute "Satan" for Ozzy.
Or not.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 07:36:44 AM
I read that Satan was big among Romantics.
RomSatanantics?
...the personification of self-centeredness.
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 18, 2009, 08:21:34 AM
...the personification of self-centeredness.
So is it OK to say to your boss in his face that he is "De-personlified Satan"?
Quote from: drogulus on June 18, 2009, 04:22:53 AM
Satan sent Elgar to destroy your mind.
Let us test this theory.
First, I put on a CD of the violin concerto, thus.
Now we carry out the test by seeing if my mynd
is stil intakkt inuf
tugett t'thi end
v thiss sntenss
proppli.
C? noe prblimm.
Quote from: Elgarian on June 18, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
Let us test this theory.
First, I put on a CD of the violin concerto, thus.
Now we carry out the test by seeing if my mynd
is stil intakkt inuf
tugett t'thi end
v thiss sntenss
proppli.
C? noe prblimm.
Instant Foreign Language Mastery!
. . . old Nick, of course.
Quote from: springrite on June 18, 2009, 08:28:02 AM
Instant Foreign Language Mastery!
Proof! Elgar is GOOD for the brain!
You read it here first, folks.
Quote from: springrite on June 18, 2009, 08:23:26 AM
So is it OK to say to your boss in his face that he is "De-personlified Satan"?
Only after first plying him with sufficient quantities of single malt Scotch.
Quote from: Elgarian on June 18, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
Let us test this theory.
First, I put on a CD of the violin concerto, thus.
Now we carry out the test by seeing if my mynd
is stil intakkt inuf
tugett t'thi end
v thiss sntenss
proppli.
C? noe prblimm.
Paul--you didn't tell us that Elgarian is your boss!
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 17, 2009, 12:51:12 PM
.... posting on this forum right now, using the name "Sean"... 0:) 8)
Well, well, there's no such thing as bad publicity... Don't know know quite what to make of this though, I thought there was almost an angelic flourish of trumpets when my name was mentioned.
Satan is...
...among us. :o
Satan was...
... the not entirely unsympathetic protagonist of John Milton's epic Poem, Paradise Lost.
The case has been made that fundamental character flaw of Satan is that he refuses to submit to God. Abject submission to God is a salient tenet of Calvinist/Reform theology in particular, which Milton understood very well.
... an anagram of Santa
Quote from: Feanor on June 18, 2009, 08:44:28 AM
... the not entirely unsympathetic protagonist of John Milton's epic Poem, Paradise Lost.
The case has been made that fundamental character flaw of Satan is that he refuses to submit to God. Abject submission to God is a salient tenet of Calvinist/Reform theology in particular.
I know it's taking a big risk to engage you, but the fundamental character flaw of Satan as depicted by Milton is egoism--self-centeredness--which manifests in pride, causing his unwillingness to submit to God:
Th' infernal Serpent; he it was, whose guile
Stird up with Envy and Revenge, deceiv'd
The Mother of Mankind, what time his Pride
Had cast him out from Heav'n, with all his Host
Of Rebel Angels, by whose aid aspiring
To set himself in Glory above his Peers,
He trusted to have equal'd the most High,
If he oppos'd; and with ambitious aim
Against the Throne and Monarchy of God
Rais'd impious War in Heav'n and Battel proud
With vain attempt.
Abject submission to God is not among the teachings of Christ, who holds that all men and women are brothers and sisters, inheritors of their father's kingdom, and equal in the sight of God. Meekness is humility, the condition of being teachable, and has nothing to do with groveling before the throne of some petty-minded desert patrirach in the sky.
Quote from: Feanor on June 18, 2009, 08:44:28 AM
... the not entirely unsympathetic protagonist of John Milton's epic Poem, Paradise Lost.
The case has been made that fundamental character flaw of Satan is that he refuses to submit to God. Abject submission to God is a salient tenet of Calvinist/Reform theology in particular, which Milton understood very well.
I should read this.
Or maybe not. I don't know. Is it meant for Christians and their opponents or does it work solely as literature?
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 18, 2009, 08:54:39 AM
I know it's taking a big risk to engage you, but the fundamental character flaw of Satan as depicted by Milton is egoism--self-centeredness--which manifests in pride, causing his unwillingness to submit to God:
...
Then I guess I should have said the the fundament
sin of Satan was lack of submission.
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 18, 2009, 08:54:39 AM
Abject submission to God is not among the teachings of Christ, who holds that all men and women are brothers and sisters, inheritors of their father's kingdom, and equal in the sight of God. Meekness is humility, the condition of being teachable, and has nothing to do with groveling before the throne of some petty-minded desert patrirach in the sky.
I hope we aren't quibiling about the implications of "abject". In any case, perfect conformity to the God's will is central to Christian theology, maybe especially to Reform theology.
Consider a couple of questions from the Westminster Larger Catechism ...
Question 24: What is sin?
Answer: Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, any law of God, given as a rule to the reasonable creature.
...
Question 91: What is the duty which God requires of man?
Answer: The duty which God requires of man, is obedience to his revealed will.Further, consider this quote from the Westminster Confession of Faith ...
CHAPTER XIX
OF THE LAW OF GOD
I. GOD gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which he bound him, and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience; promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it; and endued him with power and ability to keep it.a
a Gen. 1:26-27; with Gen. 2:17; Rom. 2:14-15; Rom. 10:5; Rom. 5:12, 19; Gal 3:10, 12; Eccl. 7:29; Job 28:28.
is me
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 09:20:19 AM
Or maybe not. I don't know. Is it meant for Christians and their opponents or does it work solely as literature?
Wouldn't finding out for yourself be more fulfilling?
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 18, 2009, 09:59:47 AM
Wouldn't finding out for yourself be more fulfilling?
I'd hate to waste valuable time I could spend on GMG. ;D
I'm happy to see there are many who agree with me that Satan's fundamental quality is his being fun at parties! :D >:D
Where by 'many' I mean 'at least as many as the leading choice' (TM).
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 10:01:51 AM
I'd hate to waste valuable time I could spend on GMG. ;D
And leave good literature to collect dust? ;D
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 18, 2009, 10:14:19 AM
And leave good literature to collect dust? ;D
Delta of Venus never collect dust.
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 18, 2009, 10:14:19 AM
And leave good literature to collect dust? ;D
Maybe it's no good as of now. It's pretty old...
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 09:20:19 AM
does it work solely as literature?
I'd say it's powerful stuff no matter whose side you might be on. I find it hard work, myself (and I've never actually made it all the way through to the end - I always run out of steam), but it's worth it for the brilliant gems you find:
The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less than he
Whom thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th' Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure; and, in my choice,
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.
I mean, that would tempt almost anyone to sign up, wouldn't it?
Quote from: Elgarian on June 18, 2009, 10:19:00 AM
I'd say it's powerful stuff no matter whose side you might be on. I find it hard work, myself (and I've never actually made it all the way through to the end - I always run out of steam), but it's worth it for the brilliant gems you find:
The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less than he
Whom thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th' Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure; and, in my choice,
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.
I mean, that would tempt almost anyone to sign up, wouldn't it?
You've convinced me, you old convincer, you...
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 10:19:54 AM
You've convinced me, you old convincer, you...
Just sign here, please ....
Quote from: Feanor on June 18, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Then I guess I should have said the the fundament sin of Satan was lack of submission.
No, you're spinning verbiage here. But you seem principally keen to riff on how obedience to God's will is
abjection (because then, you see, you can
sneer at it).
Don't expect
abject accord with your whimsical rants.
Quote from: Feanor on June 18, 2009, 08:44:28 AM
Abject submission to God
That's how Milton's Satan saw it, and persuasively too. But you could also speak of the fish's abject submission to water (until you saw one on the bank, flapping about crying 'at last I am free').
OK, OK, talking fish. Whatever next?
This religious back and forth gets mighty old.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 10:23:28 AM
Is that something else I should read?
Might make your wife happy. ;D
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on June 18, 2009, 10:32:51 AM
Might make your wife happy. ;D
I don't know. She's the last of the Puritans. ;D
I think we all know who satan is.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 10:32:25 AM
This religious back and forth gets mighty old.
This.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 10:32:25 AM
This religious back and forth gets mighty old.
"Oh no! Not talking fish
again!"
Quote from: Feanor on June 18, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Then I guess I should have said the the fundament sin of Satan was lack of submission.
I hope we aren't quibiling about the implications of "abject". In any case, perfect conformity to the God's will is central to Christian theology, maybe especially to Reform theology.
Consider a couple of questions from the Westminster Larger Catechism ...
Question 24: What is sin?
Answer: Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, any law of God, given as a rule to the reasonable creature.
...
Question 91: What is the duty which God requires of man?
Answer: The duty which God requires of man, is obedience to his revealed will.
Further, consider this quote from the Westminster Confession of Faith ...
CHAPTER XIX
OF THE LAW OF GOD
I. GOD gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which he bound him, and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience; promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it; and endued him with power and ability to keep it.a
a Gen. 1:26-27; with Gen. 2:17; Rom. 2:14-15; Rom. 10:5; Rom. 5:12, 19; Gal 3:10, 12; Eccl. 7:29; Job 28:28.
What does theology have to do with anything? I referred to the teachings of Jesus, as reported in the Gospels--simple, direct, and utterly free of scholasticism. Jesus taught almost no theology, and certainly nothing like the accretions of the church which claims him--which accretions entombed the spirit of that earthy rabbi and made a god of him, mistaking the finger for the moon in spite of his admonition not to! "Sin" (ἁμαρτία) just means "missing the mark"--in other words, falling short of the target. The ideas of "duty" and "obedience" of which you speak are also foreign to him. The yoke Jesus offered (literally, his yoga) is easy and light, not burdensome--freeing, not confining. "Surrendering to the will of God" is not some kind of onerous enslavement, but rather empowerment, like a surfer surrendering to the wave.
There's a reason Lao Tzu warns the would-be Sage about those who speak without knowing, who are full of learning without understanding.
Quote from: Elgarian on June 18, 2009, 10:31:14 AM
That's how Milton's Satan saw it, and persuasively too. But you could also speak of the fish's abject submission to water (until you saw one on the bank, flapping about crying 'at last I am free').
OK, OK, talking fish. Whatever next?
Aye. Freedom lies in yielding to Tao, not in defying it. Once you surrender to the current, instead of struggling against it, then you can work in harmony with it.
Confucious is reported to have said that he had seen birds that swim and fish that fly, but he had never seen a dragon until he met Lao Tzu.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 10:32:25 AM
This religious back and forth gets mighty old.
Remind me again, please, just who started this thread.... ;)
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 18, 2009, 01:27:19 PM
What does theology have to do with anything? I referred to the teachings of Jesus, as reported in the Gospels--simple, direct, and utterly free of scholasticism. Jesus taught almost no theology, and certainly nothing like the accretions of the church which claims him--which accretions entombed the spirit of that earthy rabbi and made a god of him, mistaking the finger for the moon in spite of his admonition not to! "Sin" (ἁμαρτία) just means "missing the mark"--in other words, falling short of the target. The ideas of "duty" and "obedience" of which you speak are also foreign to him. The yoke Jesus offered (literally, his yoga) is easy and light, not burdensome--freeing, not confining. "Surrendering to the will of God" is not some kind of onerous enslavement, but rather empowerment, like a surfer surrendering to the wave.
There's a reason Lao Tzu warns the would-be Sage about those who speak without knowing, who are full of learning without understanding.
You're right enough that Jesus taught little theology. Others have made up for it since.
What I was talking about above was the perspective of John Milton, a 17th century Puritan. Of course, I wasn't talking about my
personal perspective: you've already heard of that I suspect. ;D
Quote from: DavidRoss on June 18, 2009, 01:39:04 PM
Remind me again, please, just who started this thread.... ;)
Me. It's a poll.
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 03:18:22 PM
Me. It's a poll.
How disingenious. :P
Considering the history of these sorts of threads on this board, what'd you think you'd get? A bunch of nice data points?
You just wanted to throw some menthos in the diet pepsi, didn'tcha? ;)
Quote from: Joe_Campbell on June 18, 2009, 07:14:49 PM
You just wanted to throw some menthos in the diet pepsi, didn'tcha? ;)
No. Well, maybe one... >:D
You mean two? Or was the other one a scotch mint? ;D
How big a bottle of Diet Pepsi? (For two liters, I'd use seven Mentos. :D)
Quote from: MN Dave on June 18, 2009, 03:18:22 PM
It's a poll.
Yes, but there's a problem with polls. Have you noticed how, when you go to vote on polling day (rising early, with eager face shining in the morning sun), you arrive at the polling station, make your mark and then ... well, what? You feel something ought to happen. Something out of the ordinary. Something big.
Well, so with this poll. You click your button and then ... what?
I'm starting to imagine the talking fish was a subconsciously projected symbol of my personal angst.
If the poll reaches the wrong decision, we take to the streets until there is a recount and the answer changes.
Off now to buy my water bottle and hat, it is gonna be hot on them there streets.
Mike
Quote from: owlice on June 18, 2009, 09:55:13 PM
How big a bottle of Diet Pepsi? (For two liters, I'd use seven Mentos. :D)
Well, maybe 1 355 mL can.