Take off! I couldn't resist, eh?
Claude Vivier is doing quite nicely on his own thread, which seems to leave R. Murray Schafer as tied, or runner up, to Canada's greatest composer.
Also, I stumbled across Charles Jones, who appears to be Canada's Elliott Carter (simply in terms of the sound of his music), who was active from the '40s-'70s, I believe.
Wasn't Colin McPhee a Canoooker?
What a hoser, eh? Take off, Geddy! Yes, I WILL nominate Rush as Canada's greatest "composer"! So there!!! And Max Webster's "Battle Scar" as it's national anthem!
Please feel free to regale us with more Canadian turns-of-phrase! Eh?
Aren't there enough composers to keep track of without dragging Canadians into it?
Ever since I was introduced to his music by listening to 440, I have always enjoyed R. Murray music - especially his later string quartets, Wolf Music, and the Harpsichord Concerto.
Just this week I listened to the premiere of his Dream-E-Scapes that I found OK but not as engaging as some of his other music.
I would love to hear Healey Willan's Symphony No.2 :) Ok...he was born in London but he settled, worked and died in Canada.
Kaljo Raid could be Canada's greatest symphonist, although I am unsure how many of his were composed before he moved there.
Quote from: Lethe on June 18, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
Kaljo Raid could be Canada's greatest symphonist, although I am unsure how many of his were composed before he moved there.
Raid's first symphony was written in Estonia in 1944, his second in Stockholm in 1946(it is called the 'Stockholm Symphony'), the third and fourth in Canada in 1995 and 1997 respectively.
Quote from: Dundonnell on June 18, 2009, 12:37:39 PM
Raid's first symphony was written in Estonia in 1944, his second in Stockholm in 1946(it is called the 'Stockholm Symphony'), the third and fourth in Canada in 1995 and 1997 respectively.
Coolie - do you know whether the last two are as good as the first? That one is pretty amazing by any standard...
Quote from: Lethe on June 18, 2009, 12:46:51 PM
Coolie - do you know whether the last two are as good as the first? That one is pretty amazing by any standard...
No I don't, I am afraid. I only know No.1 from the Chandos cd...although I have only five minutes ago ordered No.2 on a deleted Koch cd from a dealer in the USA(thanks!). No.4 is described on the Raid website as 'postmodern' whatever that actually means in reality!
http://kaljoraid.org/
http://www.musiccentre.ca/apps/index.cfm?fuseaction=composer.FA_dsp_biography&authpeopleid=11608&by=R
Oh....postscript with much more info' on Symphonies Nos. 3 and 4-
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classRev/2004/Nov04/Eller_Raid.htm
Thanks! Those capsule descriptions are very welcome. It's a shame that it looks as though the 4th will probably be his final symphony, given the time passed since its completion... Still, I'm hoping for it to at least be recorded (I'm thinking Naxos or CPO? Chandos and BIS seem more conservative nowadays) - hopefully 3 and 4 could fit on a single disc.
Quote from: Lethe on June 18, 2009, 01:09:07 PM
Thanks! Those capsule descriptions are very welcome. It's a shame that it looks as though the 4th will probably be his final symphony, given the time passed since its completion... Still, I'm hoping for it to at least be recorded (I'm thinking Naxos or CPO? Chandos and BIS seem more conservative nowadays) - hopefully 3 and 4 could fit on a single disc.
Well, yes...No.4 will indeed be his final symphony. He died in 2005 :(
Just discovered Colin McPhee Symphony No 2 - very enjoyable.
The only one I've heard more than one work: John Estacio
If you want to know about Canadian Composers and listen to some of their music, I suggest you register at the Canadian Music Center. There is a fairly complete list of composers and for many of them there are 'on demand' recordings of their music that you can listen to.
I've tried music by these, none of it first-rate; the electronic stuff by Westerkamp was nice, reflecting the great open plains.
GOULD, Glen (1932-82 Canadian)
GLICK, Srul Irving (1934-2002 Canadian)
FORSYTH, Malcolm (1936- South African/ Canadian)
MCPHEE, Colin (1901-64 Canadian/ American)
MOZETICH, Marjan (1948- Italian/ Canadian)
SOMERS, Harry (1925-99 Canadian)
WESTERKAMP, Hildegard (1946- Canadian)
Quote from: Dundonnell on June 18, 2009, 01:23:54 PM
Well, yes...No.4 will indeed be his final symphony. He died in 2005 :(
Eek, a very bad oversight on my part...
Some years ago (before 2002, evidently) at the Ottawa Chamber Music Festival, I attended a recital of the music of Srul Irving Glick, who was present for the recital. I enjoyed some of the chamber pieces very much and got a cd at the time, which seems to have wandered away in the interim. There is a website for his music at, what else, www.srulirvingglick.com. When I explored his website I found that he had also composed a lot of Jewish liturgical music, which I also liked.
The Glick Divertimento for strings is pleasant and tonal but a bit mawkish.
Quote from: vandermolen on June 18, 2009, 02:05:19 PM
Just discovered Colin McPhee Symphony No 2 - very enjoyable.
I have that on a CBC disc. "The" Tropical Symphony, to be sure.
I love the Srul Irving Glick violin concerto very much! A great work!
I just got the SQs 1-5 of R. Murray Schafer with the imfamous Orford Quartet.
I was interested in Schafer because I heard he used the same stuff as Lutoslawski, Penderecki, and Ligeti, and I put that together with the cult status of his SQ No.3 "Waves" (1975). Well, this was different than what I expected.
The best way for me to describe this music to you is as a soundtrack to a very bleak/magical film by fellow Canukker David Cronenberg, or, maybe even Tarkovsky. I think I hear Norgard, and Marco, and Sandstrom,... I guess, a 1960s heritage...
The tenor of his muse reminds me of Feldman's Cello and Orchestra, though in a greatly more varied way (again, Norgard)... perhaps, according to Schafer's research into soundscapes, this is what his rural home near Toronto sounds like. There is some of that Sibelian organicness. Perhaps also Lutoslawki, in the freedom.
So, there are "notes" and melodies, and "normal" sounding music, but it is wrapped in a very special atmosphere of color and smell (the Canadian wilderness). There are integral glissandi, and all manner of effects and affects, though this is not Xenakis; however, this music could not have been written before the 1970s. You've heard much of this elsewhere, but maybe not quite put together with such northern studio isolation. I do get a slight sense of a laboratory.
There are extra performance participation such as vocalizing, humming, and entering and leaving the stage. To this degree I prefer Schafer's more solid approach as opposed to Crumb's more tenuous and delicate one. I also hear Donald Erb.
I found I liked Schafer's music better as it went along. SQ No.1 (1970) I find a bit cynical and unconvincing in its avantishness... noisy but in no way over the top. By the time of No.5 "Rosalind" (1990), we have arrived at Schafer's atmospheric fingerprint. No.3 (1981) IS THE MOST OUT THERE AND INTERGRATED OF sCHAFER'S (woops!) SQs, with a high theatre quotient.
The competing Molinari Quartet (Atma?) have recorded 8 Schafer SQs, and other SQ pieces, and I'm quite curious as to how they would interpret some of these very interpretable works.
Not perhaps the A1 over the top masterpieces I might have been expecting (and, I shouldn't reaaallly like it that much), but this set really made me think. I'll probably be getting to know it for a while.
(At the same time I got a CRI cd by Charles Jones, the Elliot Carter of Canada as far as I can hear. His 1970 SQ No.6 I took to immediately, in stark contrast to Schafer: serial-Bartok insect music just the way I like it, but very well crafted with notes, not effects.)
I seem to recall using this line before on another thread, "in a word: electroacoustic."
Francis Dhomont was resident in Montreal for several decades. Give a listen to his Frankenstein Symphony for a short list of the Montreal crew. Barry Truax has been in Vancouver his entire professional career, taking over the soundscape project from his mentor, R. Murray Schafer.
Westercamp is one notable Canadian, to be sure. As are Gilles Gobeil, Robert Normandeau, Hélène Prévost, Christian Calon, any of several Tremblays, the Copeland who really does spell his name with an "e," .... Oh, just go to the emprientesDIGITALes site. You´ll see!!
Plus, John Oswald, eh?
Now that you mention it, Schafer's SQs do have a certain "electroacoustic" sound to them, though none employ electronics.
John Oswald? That's the guy with a very noisy spectral SQ on Kronos' "Short Stories"?
Take off, eh?
Malcolm Forsyth, Jean Coulthard (a composer I'm very interested in as I heard her idiom is influenced by Impressionism), Harry Somers, Colin McPhee, Godfrey Ridout, John Beckwith, and Alexina Louie are a few names that I have ran across.
My knowledge of Canadian classical music is so limited. I don't have much a clue about it, but recordings of Canadian music are very hard to come by and quite expensive.
What I do know is not many Canadian composers are acknowledged outside of Canada. Why is this? It's really interesting when a vast country like Canada's classical music tradition is totally unknown to the rest of world.
Totally unknown to the U.S., maybe. The rest of the world is pretty savvy, actually.
The French/Canadian connection is very strong, for instance, probably largely owing to Francis Dhomont. The people who are featured on the Emprientes DIGITALes label are pretty well known in Europe. Are some of them Europeans, for that matter.
Martin Tetreault is very well known all over the world (except for the U.S.), partly because he collaborates with people from Japan (Otomo Yoshihide), France (eRikm), and Germany (Ignaz Schick), among others.
And, of course, none of these people is well-known by your typical classical listener, even outside the U.S. But that's another problem for another thread.
Quote from: some guy on October 21, 2010, 12:34:09 PM
Totally unknown to the U.S., maybe. The rest of the world is pretty savvy, actually.
The French/Canadian connection is very strong, for instance, probably largely owing to Francis Dhomont. The people who are featured on the Emprientes DIGITALes label are pretty well known in Europe. Are some of them Europeans, for that matter.
Martin Tetreault is very well known all over the world (except for the U.S.), partly because he collaborates with people from Japan (Otomo Yoshihide), France (eRikm), and Germany (Ignaz Schick), among others.
And, of course, none of these people is well-known by your typical classical listener, even outside the U.S. But that's another problem for another thread.
I guess where I'm getting at Some Guy is how often, besides Canada, are Canadian composers performed in the concert halls?
And my answer was, and is, in Europe and Japan, quite often.
Quote from: some guy on October 21, 2010, 08:36:20 PM
And my answer was, and is, in Europe and Japan, quite often.
Really? Point me to some European orchestras that have played Canadian music.
I was not talking about orchestral music. I don't know much of that. (And the little I know came from Canadian labels. And wasn't all that good, as I recall.)
Sorry for the mix-up. I was wondering after I thought about your reference to concert halls if you were thinking of orchestral music. The people I know who are known and played around the world are people who do electroacoustic music and live electronics.
Martin Tetreault, for example, is a prominent turntablist. (Hence the collaborations with eRikm, Schick, and Otomo Yoshihide. And Katsura Mouri, I should add.)
I don't know if it's still the case, but there was significant interest in Claude Vivier in Europe for quite a while. I remember several performances at the Huddersfield Festival, and so on.
Ligeti's strong advocacy of Vivier's music probably didn't hurt, of course.
A bit of the old thread necromancy to note that the Canadian Music Centre has put up online a large number of streaming recordings of music by Canadian composers. You do have to sign up, but it's free of charge.
http://www.musiccentre.ca/home.cfm
Say, Edward, have you heard any of Gary's (http://www.garybarwin.com/) music?
No--it's often surprised me that there's not more new Canadian music played in Toronto. Given the size of the place, I'd expect to hear a bit more promotion of Canadian composers; when I lived in Edinburgh (roughly one tenth of the population) there were probably more performances of music by living Scottish composers than there are of living Canadian composers here.
I know I'm not there, but I've had the impression for many years that Toronto thinks of itself as a rival of Montreal, and that it puts on new music stuff all the time. That its resident composers are just as active as the Montreal crowd. Maybe not quite as well-known all of them, but still pretty active.
I wish I had a flawless memory, but when I get notifications of Toronto stuff, I read and forget, not being able to get to its many offerings easily from Portland, OR. And not having managed to get to any of its festivals, yet. (I go to festivals over single concerts because that's a better concert to plane ticket ratio.) Sarah Peebles is in Toronto, though. And isn't Toronto where John Oswald hangs out?
The problem with Canadian music is its simply not promoted or recorded. The recordings that do exist are so expensive that it makes it unreasonable to buy them. I've been wanting to get some of Jean Coulthard, Harry Somers, Malcolm Forsyth, and Harry Freedman, but the recordings that feature their music are just ridiculously high. There's a three volume set called Ovation released by CBC that features all Canadian music that I've been wanting for quite some time, but they're all out-of-print. >:(
I saw L'Ensemble Denis Shingh once in Ottawa. Minimalism, I think.
Quote from: chasmaniac on June 27, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
I saw L'Ensemble Denis Shingh once in Ottawa. Minimalism, I think.
There seems to be a spectral/minimalist bent to a lot of Canadian Composers, eh?
Just thinking of how that Grisey piece made me think of Schafer. Just listening again to Schafer's
SQ No.5, a very organic type of spectralism, very consonant and meditative, very 'normal music' sounding in a Riley wayward kind of way, improvisational.
There is nothing minimal about Claude Vivier! Plenty of spectral influence, though. I think he is my favorite Canadian composer. I love that his music is complex, but very direct, much like many Dutch composers writing around his time, oddly enough. Orion is a work that is seeing more and more programming. The LA Phil will open up their next season with this work as the curtain raiser. I have also seen it performed at the Proms and various other places.
Another Canadian composer that seems to get a lot of attention is Jacques Hétu. Anyone else familiar with his work? He is one I would love to get to know more, especially his earlier work, which uses elements of 12 tone serialism. His early Variations for piano is a work that has endured from his early years, and is a work I hope to program myself later on. His later, more romantically bent music seems to get more playing time, though. I've heard a symphony or two and some concertos. It's really hard to figure out some of these works. They aren't inaccessible, but the musical material can be hard to understand. That's what makes me come back to them on occasion.
I've also wanted to look at some R. Murray Schafer. He is constantly touted by many of my Canadian friends, along with Christos Hatzis. Their music is tough to get here in the states, though.
Where do people buy music?
I have hundreds of CDs of contemporary Canadian music, some from stores, some from the labels directly, some from other distributors online, some from travelling around and composers handing me CDs, but only a few.
Mostly I get them from the same places anyone could get them, stores and online.
Quote from: lescamil on June 27, 2011, 11:31:46 AM
much like many Dutch composers writing around his time, oddly enough
I have actually thought much on this topic, expanded, and I think I have come to the Unifying Answer: 1989.
I may be exactly off, but, if you get my drift, it was around this time that a certain, ahem, singularity occurred amongst the Composer Community,... I'm not hinting at anything, just saying that, mm, it 'all came together' as far as in a 'knowledge' area, and I notice a vast similarity in... dare I say... ALL Musics of THAT TIME period/frame (maybe it's 1991?).
All I can say is, I'm sure all of you could easily name lots and lots of stuff by everyone that just has that 'professional', smooth, sound, as if, no matter what the dissonance level, ALL,... The 'All'... has been,... haha... 'Assimilated'.
Can I get a witness?
Quote from: snyprrr on June 27, 2011, 12:46:50 PM
I have actually thought much on this topic, expanded, and I think I have come to the Unifying Answer: 1989.
I may be exactly off, but, if you get my drift, it was around this time that a certain, ahem, singularity occurred amongst the Composer Community,... I'm not hinting at anything, just saying that, mm, it 'all came together' as far as in a 'knowledge' area, and I notice a vast similarity in... dare I say... ALL Musics of THAT TIME period/frame (maybe it's 1991?).
All I can say is, I'm sure all of you could easily name lots and lots of stuff by everyone that just has that 'professional', smooth, sound, as if, no matter what the dissonance level, ALL,... The 'All'... has been,... haha... 'Assimilated'.
Can I get a witness?
Well, considering that Vivier died in 1983 and that Dutch modernism really hit its peak in the 1970s with Louis Andriessen, Jan van Vlijmen, and others, well, you might be a bit off. If anything, I would say 1979 is a better choice. I totally see where you are coming from, though. A LOT of music from composers around the world in that time has a very smooth, direct, complex sound to it.
Also, a good place to buy CDs of Canadian music is the Canadian Music Centre (http://www.musiccentre.ca/home.cfm). They have pretty much anything by any Canadian composer. They have out of print recordings, even. They also have unreleased music for streaming online if you create an account. I would only buy a CD from them if you have no other option, though. It can be more expensive than, say, Amazon.
Good thread.
Snyprrr, have you heard anything by Gilles Tremblay or Serge Provost? I have some of their stuff downloaded but not listened. From the description of their music I expect something Murail-ish.
Quote from: lescamil on June 27, 2011, 06:59:30 PM
1979 is a better choice
Smashing Pumpkins would agree, yes, the '80s were just perfecting then... I love this Topic,... though I think of Feldman and the US scene also...
Quote from: Coco on June 27, 2011, 07:30:38 PM
Good thread.
Snyprrr, have you heard anything by Gilles Tremblay or Serge Provost? I have some of their stuff downloaded but not listened. From the description of their music I expect something Murail-ish.
Just in passing. Let us know who they sound. We need foot soldiers here! ;)
I have Provost's Les ruines du paradis, for chamber orchestra, and Tremblay's À quelle heure commence le temps?, for bass-baritone, solo piano, and chamber orchestra. Neither of them remind me of Murail, particularly, though I suppose there are things in the Provost that might could do that for someone more attuned to Murail than I.
These two pieces are very different from each other, for what it's worth. Horizontally, Tremblay has phrases that stand out from the accompaniment, as it were, while Provost's phrases are mostly part of a weave, and the weave is the thing. (Tune in to any one voice and its phrase won't seem all that interesting. But that's because the weave is the thing.)
I think Canada's significant contributions to music have been in the electroacoustic, soundscape, installation, and live electronics realms (especially turntable). That and the jazz, classical, rock mélanges that question the whole notion of genre. If you are focussed on orchestral and instrumental music, then you'll have a very different sense of Canadian music than I have.
Sophie Carmen Eckhardt-Gramatte's music is amazing!!! :)
Can't believe neither Paul Dolden nor Chiyoko Szlavnics have been mentioned on here, both fascinating Canadian composers.
A lot of Dolden's music involves electroacoustic parts with many hundreds of individual layers superimposed. If that sounds a bit overwhelming, it is - be prepared for nothing less than a sonic onslaught! i've been involved in the premières of a number of his pieces in the UK (with my contemporary music ensemble, Interrobang) & there are more to come this year & beyond.
Chiyoko Szlavnics (based in Berlin) is very different. She's written quite a few pieces originating in geometric line drawings, which are then translated into sound, often using just intonation. i directed a performance of one of her larger pieces last year, & it was a unique experience, although the players took some time to get used to the subtly different tunings! Her music sounds different from almost anyone i've heard, although it has the space & compositional patience of someone like Feldman.
Can't recommend both highly enough. Dolden's music is readily available from the Empreinte Digitale label - http://www.electrocd.com/en/bio/dolden_pa/. i don't think any of Chiyoko's music has made it onto CD yet, but she's definitely worth keeping an eye & ear out for.
If anyone is interested in hearing the music 5 against 4 is suggesting, CMC has 11 recordings of Szlavinics and one of Dolden's available on demand at their site?
Which piece of Szlavinics' did you direct?
Quote from: UB on July 19, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
If anyone is interested in hearing the music 5 against 4 is suggesting, CMC has 11 recordings of Szlavinics and one of Dolden's available on demand at their site?
Which piece of Szlavinics' did you direct?
The piece i directed was
(a)long lines; we'll draw our own lines, a half-hour piece for a small group of players. Challenging piece, due to the tuning issues i mentioned above, & the score doesn't need a conductor but a stopwatch, so for once i got to watch the performance while they all gazed at an iPad counting time!
Good to see the CMC has some music available; however, in my experience they're a painfully slow organisation!
I'm really interested in 20th Century Canadian composers. I really hope Naxos continues with their Canadian Classics series. I've been wanting to hear more of Jean Coulthard's music since I heard her work Canada Mosaic. There's probably a lot of fine music up there, but so little of it has been recorded. I realize, at first, this maybe a niche market, but I think if Canadian classical music gets some good exposure, then more people will want to hear more.
A few of my favorite Canadian composers based on several works I've heard by each:
Malcolm Forsyth -
(http://www.witness.co.za/portal/witness_db1/UserFiles/SysDocs/bb_content/70000/64426/MalcolmForsyth-Print_DSC2000-V3_image_lowres.jpg)
Harry Freedman -
(http://users.nobelmed.com/freedman/media/harry-freedman.jpg)
Jean Coulthard -
(http://hmatters.com/tmt/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/1994_jcoulthard.jpg)
Harry Somers -
(http://www.harrysomers.com/rw_common/images/galldesk01.JPG)
Colin McPhee -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Colin_McPhee.jpg/220px-Colin_McPhee.jpg)
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 15, 2012, 08:15:13 PM
A few of my favorite Canadian composers based on several works I've heard by each:
Malcolm Forsyth -
(http://www.witness.co.za/portal/witness_db1/UserFiles/SysDocs/bb_content/70000/64426/MalcolmForsyth-Print_DSC2000-V3_image_lowres.jpg)
Harry Freedman -
(http://users.nobelmed.com/freedman/media/harry-freedman.jpg)
Jean Coulthard -
(http://hmatters.com/tmt/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/1994_jcoulthard.jpg)
Harry Somers -
(http://www.harrysomers.com/rw_common/images/galldesk01.JPG)
Colin McPhee -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Colin_McPhee.jpg/220px-Colin_McPhee.jpg)
The cast of the new Cronenberg film, haha!
Congratulations for hitting the Last/First Post,... almost to the day! Good work. ;) 8)
Quote from: snyprrr on October 15, 2012, 08:30:21 PM
The cast of the new Cronenberg film, haha!
Congratulations for hitting the Last/First Post,... almost to the day! Good work. ;) 8)
Ha! :D
Have you heard any of these composers' music, snyprrr?
The only one of those I am familiar with is Colin McPhee. I've also heard Jean Coulthard's music, but it escapes me right now. I've raved about Colin McPhee in the past, though. The man predates minimalism by 30 years, and John Adams, among others, has acknowledged him as a major influence. Tabuh Tabuhan is the best known piece by him, and rightfully so. I can never get sick of that piece.
Quote from: lescamil on October 15, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
The only one of those I am familiar with is Colin McPhee. I've also heard Jean Coulthard's music, but it escapes me right now. I've raved about Colin McPhee in the past, though. The man predates minimalism by 30 years, and John Adams, among others, has acknowledged him as a major influence. Tabuh Tabuhan is the best known piece by him, and rightfully so. I can never get sick of that piece.
Yeah, I agree. McPhee is great, but still quite underrated I think. It's almost like if you're a Canadian composer, then you're not allowed to be popular. :)
Quote from: Lethevich on June 18, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
Kaljo Raid could be Canada's greatest symphonist, although I am unsure how many of his were composed before he moved there.
Raid's First Symphony is a wonderful work - in the spirit of Eduard Tubin.
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 15, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
Yeah, I agree. McPhee is great, but still quite underrated I think. It's almost like if you're a Canadian composer, then you're not allowed to be popular. :)
McPhee conjures quite an atmosphere. R. Murray Schafer is very interesting for Modern. Have you heard Rush? :P
Take Off!! ;) 8)
We really, really, really don't want to listen to or even hear about that nasty electroacoustic music, do we? Yucky!!
Instrumental and orchestral only, thank you very much, even though it's in electroacoustics that Canada has really put itself on the map, musically, with composers who are well-known all over the world, even in the U.S. if you can believe it, with two major centers of electroacoustics--soundscape in Vancouver and acousmatic in Montreal (and a goodly portion of outliers in Toronto, naturally), though those categories are by no means fixed. The big Montreal label empreintes DIGITALes has plenty of examples of both (and recordings of some of the Toronto crowd as well.)
But really, YUCK!! That would mean listening to all that yucky electronic music. Eeeeuuuuuggghhhh!!!
Make the bad some guy go away, daddy!
:D
Come to think of it, you are absolutely correct! Some of the best "more recent" electroacoustic music comes indeed from Canada, and part of it is at least on par with the traditional orchestral and ensemble works from A-list composers. I seem to remember a thread dedicated to electronic and electroacoustic composers, but it has probably been a couple of years since there was traffic there.
Quote from: snyprrr on October 17, 2012, 10:20:47 PM
McPhee conjures quite an atmosphere. R. Murray Schafer is very interesting for Modern.
McPhee has written some good music. I haven't heard any of Schafer's music yet although I do have a recording of some of his concerti coming. Somers, Forsyth, Freedman, and recently Cherney are composers I've been really enjoying lately.
Quote from: vandermolen on October 17, 2012, 12:38:23 PM
Raid's First Symphony is a wonderful work - in the spirit of Eduard Tubin.
Raid's First Symphony(1944) was written in Estonia, his Second(1946) in Sweden, but the 3rd and 4th(1995 and 1997) were written in Canada. I have heard neither :(
Quote from: Dundonnell on November 14, 2012, 06:34:05 PM
Raid's First Symphony(1944) was written in Estonia, his Second(1946) in Sweden, but the 3rd and 4th(1995 and 1997) were written in Canada. I have heard neither :(
I don't think the 3rd and 4th have been recorded. I have only seen the first two on disk, and no recordings are listed at the Canadian Music Centre. I'm surprised someone in the Järvi family hasn't gotten to them yet.
Quote from: lescamil on November 14, 2012, 09:55:04 PMand no recordings are listed at the Canadian Music Centre.
That's because he's not considered a Canadian composer.
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 15, 2012, 06:50:01 AM
That's because he's not considered a Canadian composer.
They do have a page for him, though. He also isn't listed here: http://www.emic.ee/estonian-composers So I guess he is more Canadian than Estonian, then.
Quote from: lescamil on November 15, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
They do have a page for him, though. He also isn't listed here: http://www.emic.ee/estonian-composers So I guess he is more Canadian than Estonian, then.
So Estonia doesn't claim Raid, but they claim Tubin who spent most of his life in Sweden? Hmmm...something doesn't seem right here. :-\
Quote from: Mirror Image on November 15, 2012, 07:23:42 PM
So Estonia doesn't claim Raid, but they claim Tubin who spent most of his life in Sweden? Hmmm...something doesn't seem right here. :-\
Somehow this all reminds me of this: http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftlAT.html
I wonder if Ken B has any comments for this thread? Do you know much about the Canadian classical scene, Ken? I'd love to pick your brain about this topic since it seems the Canadians don't get talked much around here.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 27, 2014, 09:08:59 PM
I wonder if Ken B has any comments for this thread? Do you know much about the Canadian classical scene, Ken? I'd love to pick your brain about this topic since it seems the Canadians don't get talked much around here.
I have been in the US almost 20 years so I am out of touch. Some composers I like are
Lubomyr Melnyck. I really really like KMH. I programmed this on radio several times.
Srul Irving Glik. I recall him is sounding a bit post Bartokian.
C Hatsis (spelling?) I think Nate would like his music.
M Forsyth. He's actually been quite successful commercially and is clearly the most popular Canadian composer these days.
Quote from: Ken B on September 28, 2014, 07:31:32 AM
I have been in the US almost 20 years so I am out of touch. Some composers I like are
Lubomyr Melnyck. I really really like KMH. I programmed this on radio several times.
Srul Irving Glik. I recall him is sounding a bit post Bartokian.
C Hatsis (spelling?) I think Nate would like his music.
M Forsyth. He's actually been quite successful commercially and is clearly the most popular Canadian composer these days.
Cool, thanks for your feedback, Ken.
Here is an interesting disk by a Canadian composer who doesn't seem to have anything else recorded.
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Nickel has written concertos for Oboe, Oboe d'Amore and Bass Oboe, which are presented here (and very well played).
The oboe concerto is rather ordinary and not very memorable, but the two unusual oboe family members seem to have inspired Nickel: the Oboe d'Amore Concerto is pastoral with darker interludes, the Bass Oboe Concerto is a formidable work.
I love the Bass Oboe in particular, it isn't plaintive like the Cor Anglais or comic like the Bassoon. It's a very serious, hard-biting instrument and Nickel's concerto does it justice.
I like unusual wind instruments and I wish composers would write concertos for them of the quality of Aho's Contrabassoon Concerto, and Schenk's Bass Clarinet and Cor Anglais Concertos and those recorded here. I'm still looking for quality concertos for Piccolo, Eflat Clarinet and Alto Flute.
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I was tired of going next door to see the rest of the image ....
New release on Ridout
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Double post but I haven't been able to buy it
Jacques Hétu - concerto for ondes Martenot and orchestra.
Miss Dallamagiore has also Dimitris Levidis 1928 "Poème symphonique" for ondes and orchestra on her repertoire. That's interesting as it is propably the first concertante work written for this instrument .
https://youtu.be/OwhvHUDSmsg?si=a1gcuKDEHUv9QEcJ
ondes - piano reduction.
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Anthem
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/06/22/andre-mathieu-a-compose-un-hymne-national-du-quebec
Underrated woman composer
https://www.thegenabranscombeproject.com/