Many of you may find it amazing I don't have any symphony CDs from the following well-known composers:
Berlioz
Bruckner
Dvorák
Mahler
Mendelssohn (I have some string symphonies thou)
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan-Williams
What are the amazing shortcoming of your collection?
Sir Edward Elgar.
None.
Dear friend that list is as long as the road from Groningen to Siberia. ;D
Quote from: 71 dB on June 14, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
Many of you may find it amazing I don't have any symphony CDs from the following well-known composers:
Berlioz
Bruckner
Dvorák
Mahler
Mendelssohn (I have some string symphonies thou)
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan-Williams
What are the amazing shortcoming of your collection?
Hm, let's see, I have like
no CDs... :(
Probably the biggest shortcoming in my collection is the relative shortage of opera (out of all my CDs, I only own 2 Rings [one of which was less than $10 so I couldn't resist], Tristan, Parsifal, Don Giovanni, Otello, and Fidelio) and an almost complete absence of lieder (maybe half a dozen CDs, mostly Mahler). I've tried, but so far it's just not my cup of tea -- partly it's the language barrier, partly I just haven't warmed to the operatic style of singing. Maybe one of these days...
Quote from: 71 dB on June 14, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
Many of you may find it amazing I don't have any symphony CDs from the following well-known composers:
Berlioz
Bruckner
Dvorák
Mahler
Mendelssohn (I have some string symphonies thou)
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan-Williams
What are the amazing shortcoming of your collection?
Beethoven
An die ferne Geliebte. Bogey just reminded me that I'm missing that major song cycle.
Sarge
I try to explore at least one or two new-to-me composer every month. Generally, my collection focuses on Bruckner, Operas (Mozart always first), Bach and Pärt (in that order ;)) to the exclusion of many others, so there are AMAZING shortcomings throughout my collection.
Sometimes, my regular diversions from that core result in some extra flights through new artists, I picked up a collection of Heinichen concertos and sonatas from CPO and then could not help but want to find more. I really enjoy the Dresden Concerti... great for a Friday morning pick-me-up. The same is true of Biber. I would never have found his wonderful Rosary Sonatas and gorgeous Missa Christi resurgentis if I did not force myself to explore...
Next month, I plan to pick up a Joachim Raff symphony or chamber work or two.
I expect it's about musical taste rather than oversight. I have no works from the following, for example:
Mozart
Haydn
Schuman
Chopin
Handel
Vivaldi
...but that's because I'm not keen on their music.
Quote from: 71 dB on June 14, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
Many of you may find it amazing I don't have any symphony CDs from the following well-known composers:
Berlioz
Bruckner
Dvorák
Mahler
Mendelssohn (I have some string symphonies thou)
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan-Williams
Hmmm, for someone who has no Berlioz CDs you sure refer to him quite often, like how Beethoven can't orchestrate like Berlioz or how Elgar and Berlioz are similar.
Well, I have no operas at all, just some 'overture' CDs of a few of the well known composers (Mozart, Verdi, Wagner, Puccini, and some others); otherwise, the collection is fairly well-rounded - :)
Quote from: 71 dB on June 14, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
Many of you may find it amazing I don't have any symphony CDs from the following well-known composers:
Berlioz
Bruckner
Dvorák
Mahler
Mendelssohn (I have some string symphonies thou)
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan-Williams
What are the amazing shortcoming of your collection?
You don't own a single
Mahler CD! It looks like your comparisons between Elgar and Mahler are quite groundless.
From the standard repotoire, I'm missing only a few works. Many notable collections of Lieder are absent, as well as some well-known solo pieces for Piano.
Quote from: SonicMan on June 14, 2007, 01:26:17 PM
Well, I have no operas at all, just some 'overture' CDs of a few of the well known composers (Mozart, Verdi, Wagner, Puccini, and some others); otherwise, the collection is fairly well-rounded - :)
Why no operas
Dave?
Quote from: Steve on June 14, 2007, 01:29:20 PMYou don't own a single Mahler CD! It looks like your comparisons between Elgar and Mahler are quite groundless.
That is a silly leap there... what I have listened to is far greater than what I own. I regularly visit the library, sometimes I listen to Internet radio, etc... The same is probably true of 71 dB.
I don't have a single Beethoven piano sonata. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/Wendelle/econs/embarassed.gif)
I only have one recording of a Tchaikovsky symphony.
I only have one disc each of Rachmaninoff and Elgar, no Vaughn Williams, and no recordings of Vivaldi concertos (I do have a couple of his operas, and Bartoli's Vivaldi disc), but those aren't really amazing, and not likely to change, either.
Quote from: beclemund on June 14, 2007, 01:31:34 PM
That is a silly leap there... what I have listened to is far greater than what I own. I regularly visit the library, sometimes I listen to Internet radio, etc... The same is probably true of 71 dB.
It was indeed.
"The same is probably true of 71 dB"
But, so was that. He has never mentioned visiting libraries or listening to large amounts of internet radio. You've made the same mistake.
I wouldn't know where to start ::)
From the names mentioned so far: Extremely miniscule Dvorak (2 CDs), Mozart (6 or 7), Haydn (1 and that is actually a cello anthology set), Mahler (1 DVD-A of Symph 2), Wagner (none), Vivaldi (none), Berlioz (1 Symph Fantastique), VW (a CD of 2 symphonies, forgot which ones :-[ ).
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on June 14, 2007, 01:23:50 PM
Hmmm, for someone who has no Berlioz CDs you sure refer to him quite often, like how Beethoven can't orchestrate like Berlioz or how Elgar and Berlioz are similar.
I was talking about symphonies.
I don't have his
Symphonie Fantastique but I have
L'enfance du Christ. I wish I had much more Berlioz but what can I do? No money, no Berlioz.
Quote from: beclemund on June 14, 2007, 01:31:34 PM
That is a silly leap there... what I have listened to is far greater than what I own. I regularly visit the library, sometimes I listen to Internet radio, etc... The same is probably true of 71 dB.
I have heard Mahler and other composers on radio. I have streamed Mahler online thanks to certain urls published on this forum.
Very, very little Liszt, Schumann and Schubert. This always shocks me. Has done for 16 years. Not enough to do much about it, though, obviously. ;D
No Reich. No Biber. No Telemann. Almost no Prokofiev. And not one Vaughan Williams symphony. The list is endless ...
My collection simply isn't big enough. That's why I drool so much over Sarge's collection (the man has a Wagner collection to die for).
Quote from: Steve on June 14, 2007, 01:34:24 PMIt was indeed.
"The same is probably true of 71 dB"
But, so was that. He has never mentioned visiting libraries or listening to large amounts of internet radio. You've made the same mistake.
Hehe. I am pretty sure it is not a leap at all to suggest all posters on this board have listened to more than they have purchased... Except maybe Harry as he probably has more stacks of CDs (and 800 CD shipments) he hasn't listen to than I have in total. :D
I tend to have all or nothing (depending on the composer):
TONS of Bach, Hadyn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, Stravinsky, Holst, Elgar, Vaughan-Williams, Prokofiev, Copland
ZERO of Verdi, Puccini, Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner, Debussy, Chopin, Faure, Telemann, Rameau, Couperin, Bizet, Gluck, Rossini, or Hindemith
I think its more personal taste for styles and genres. I tend to lean more towards German instrumental music, Russian and Bohemian nationalism, and the British late Romantics.
Quote from: hornteacher on June 14, 2007, 03:51:38 PM
I tend to have all or nothing (depending on the composer):
TONS of Bach, Hadyn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, Stravinsky, Holst, Elgar, Vaughan-Williams, Prokofiev, Copland
ZERO of Verdi, Puccini, Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner, Debussy, Chopin, Faure, Telemann, Rameau, Couperin, Bizet, Gluck, Rossini, or Hindemith
I think its more personal taste for styles and genres. I tend to lean more towards German instrumental music, Russian and Bohemian nationalism, and the British late Romantics.
You like German orchestral music yet you don't have Mahler or Bruckner !! :o
Quote from: Wendell_E on June 14, 2007, 01:33:12 PM
I don't have a single Beethoven piano sonata. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/Wendelle/econs/embarassed.gif)
Nurse! Get me 75 cc's of Op. 110!! Stat!!!
Seriously, what's the matter? $:)
Quote from: beclemund on June 14, 2007, 03:42:16 PM
Hehe. I am pretty sure it is not a leap at all to suggest all posters on this board have listened to more than they have purchased... Except maybe Harry as he probably has more stacks of CDs (and 800 CD shipments) he hasn't listen to than I have in total. :D
Still, 10 percent of his collection is devoted to Elgar? ;)
My collection is very broad, so it is hard to think of major deficiencies. However, out of those mentioned here, Liszt is underrepresented; I have a few LPs, but no CDs. Until recently, Bruckner was a major shortcoming, but I just rectified that situation by purchasing a set of symphonies and a set of masses. Now that I am reminded of Liszt, I have a feeling that CDs of his music will be added to my collection this weekend. I like his music, but for some reason I haven't bought any since the days of the LP. I guess it is a matter of getting around to it, as was the case with Bruckner.
There are a few deficiencies that I can think of within the works of certain composers. I would like to get more of Beethoven's piano sonatas, lieder, and other chamber music. (I have the string quartets.) Mozart's solo keyboard music is also somewhat underrepresented. Bach wrote so much that it is difficult to have everything (except, perhaps, by buying a complete set); I would really like to get more of his cantatas and organ music. I have much of Dvorak's chamber music, but I should really get a complete set of his symphonies; I only have two or three of them now (and only one on CD). Wagner is very well-represented in my DVD collection, but not in my CD or LP collection.
If I do some digging, I'm sure I will find more.
Heather
Quote from: Bonehelm on June 14, 2007, 04:04:28 PM
You like German orchestral music yet you don't have Mahler or Bruckner !! :o
Point taken. Perhaps I should say, "Classical and non-Wagner-influenced Romantic German instrumental music."
.......bit of a mouthful though. I'm not anti-Mahler, I just haven't got hooked on it yet.
Quote from: hornteacher on June 14, 2007, 05:52:26 PM
Point taken. Perhaps I should say, "Classical and non-Wagner-influenced Romantic German instrumental music."
.......bit of a mouthful though. I'm not anti-Mahler, I just haven't got hooked on it yet.
That's fine. If you want to discover his world some day, be sure to check out the Kubelik set and the Bernstein set. Top-notch stuff. ;)
Only 4 Bruckner cds on the shelf. Embarrassed by this number? You bet. Going to sit around and do nothing about it? Not a chance!
Quote from: Harry on June 14, 2007, 01:29:51 PM
Why no operas Dave?
Hello,
Harry - well, not from not trying, but wife & I just can't get into liking operas over so much more entertainment to enjoy for us (CDs, DVDs, etc.); plus, my father may have 'did me in' at a tender age! ;D Spent my 'younger' years in & near Toledo, Ohio (place of birth) - father loved opera, esp. the Italian ones, so had plenty of LPs playing in the house all of the time (not a kid enjoyment for me); in addition, the Toledo Museum of Art (a wonderful museum BTW) had a travelling opera series come through the city for many years, so my father would take me (mother refused to go!), and I guess the experience was just 'too much' - like my mother trying to get me to like beets! OTOH, I'm willing to try again - planning to 'rent' some DVDs - like to have both the visuals & the music/singing, and definitely need 'subtitles'; so, I've tried, but just doesn't 'click' for me - :D
Quote from: Bonehelm on June 14, 2007, 06:05:36 PM
That's fine. If you want to discover his world some day, be sure to check out the Kubelik set and the Bernstein set. Top-notch stuff. ;)
Noted for future purchases.
Quote from: Bogey on June 14, 2007, 06:40:39 PM
Only 4 Bruckner cds on the shelf. Embarrassed by this number? You bet. Going to sit around and do nothing about it? Not a chance!
That's the spirit! :D
Almost nothing pre-1640. No Monteverdi. No Palestrina.
There is only one I can think of: Eotvos. I do have a couple of very very short pieces as fillers. I don't think I am missing anyone who could be considered majors.
At the risk of being banned from the site:
String quartets by Beethoven and Bartok.
Allan
Quote from: toledobass on June 14, 2007, 08:19:47 PM
At the risk of being banned from the site:
String quartets by Beethoven and Bartok.
Allan
Who's Bartok? 0:)
Check that! I have two cds of his works on the shelf.
If I knew more about some composers, I suppose I would recognize some big gaps in my collection. But I have some works by most of the major composers I know of.
Now, as for the composers I do know and love, well, I think if I had to do it over again, I would have more sets of symphonies, concertos, sonatas, and so on. By sets, I don't necessarily mean a set by a particular conductor, but count it even if I just have all of the works of a particular type by a composer. But complete sets would have been no more expensive in the long run. I'll only mention some I would like to have--there a lots of sets I have no particular desire to have.
I have long had all the symphonies by Beethoven, Brahms, Franck (several complete sets), Rachmaninoff and Sibelius. I have acquired several sets of Beethoven symphonies, and recently got a set of all the Mozart symphonies and now have all the Mendelssohn and Bruckner symphonies.
Although I have some symphonies by these composers, I do not have the all the symphonies by Haydn, Schubert, Mahler, Vaughan Williams, Bax, Prokofiev and Shostakovitch.
Only fairly recently did I get a complete set of Mozart's symphonies and the Beethoven Piano sonatas. I have a lot of Haydn symphonies, but not a complete set of them. I don't have all the symphonies by Schubert or even Tchaikovsky.
I recently got a complete set of the Beethoven sonatas--I don't recognize some of them! I could get more music by Bach, all the Cantatas, more keyboard music, more organ music. I have few sonatas by Haydn and Mozart. I have quite a bit, but I don't have all of the piano music by Chopin, Schumann, Brahms, Rachmaninoff, Debussy, Bartok, and others.
i have no symphonies by Schumann! no, not William Schuman, Robert Schumann!
No operas to speak of....some highlight type discs.
And, no Brahms' Requiem on the shelf....how serious of a hole is this?
I also have no operas; nor any solo piano music, only 1 sq disc (Shostakovich 1, 8, 9). No Brahms, Liszt, Monteverdi, Smetana or that wretched Canon & Guige thing by Pachebel - in fact no Pachebel!
No Mozart Requiem among my 3000 CDs, though I have an old LP but no record player.....
I have very few operas and no Bruckner at all. Also, music post-1975 (Shostakovich's death) is virtually absent from my collection, with the splendid exception of Karl Henning.
Quote from: Bogey on June 14, 2007, 09:00:27 PM
And, no Brahms' Requiem on the shelf....how serious is this?
Life threatening. Get the Klemperer as quickly as possible...your life depends on it.
Sarge
Quote from: erato on June 14, 2007, 10:47:41 PM
No Mozart Requiem among my 3000 CDs,
That's amazing ......... I simply cannot believe it ........ :D
Quote from: techniquest on June 14, 2007, 10:41:01 PM
No Brahms
(http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/spanking.jpg)
Quote from: Bogey on June 14, 2007, 09:00:27 PM
no Brahms' Requiem ....how serious of a hole is this?
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No Rachmaninov. I've heard him but haven't gotten around to buying his major works yet :( No pre-Baroque music. I've never even heard Rossini, outside of the famous Bugs Bunny cartoon :)
Quote from: Steve on June 14, 2007, 04:51:41 PM
Still, 10 percent of his collection is devoted to Elgar? ;)
Almost 10 %. Out of about 700 classical CDs I have 57 Elgar CDs.
Even with this amount of CDs there are Elgar works I have never heard. :-\
No complete recording of Messiah, only Stokowski conducting selections.
Quote71 dB
What are the amazing shortcoming of your collection?
Well, not a shortcoming, but in fact an amazing thing. I have both Elgar Symphonies !! ;D
Quote from: Bogey on June 14, 2007, 09:00:27 PM
No operas to speak of....some highlight type discs.
I've always disdained highlights, but I should probably buy them since I'm too lazy to listen to the opera boxes I have.
Quote
And, no Brahms' Requiem on the shelf....how serious of a hole is this?
I would try to hear it at least. It's not something I ever have a hankering for. I don't think you necessarily need to own a recording. But then I could say that about a lot of the CDs I own.
Quote from: Bonehelm on June 14, 2007, 06:05:36 PM
That's fine. If you want to discover his world some day, be sure to check out the Kubelik set and the Bernstein set. Top-notch stuff. ;)
Bernstein! Karajan!
;)
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 15, 2007, 02:42:40 AM
Life threatening. Get the Klemperer as quickly as possible...your life depends on it.
Sarge
Quote from: D Minor on June 15, 2007, 03:21:15 AM
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LOL!
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Shortcoming in my collection is probably chamber music with the exception of Beethoven and Bartok. Shortcoming, e.g., the chamber music of Brahms. I have a large collection of orchestral works, operas, choral works, and lieder.
I suppose I should make it clear that I have no shortcomings in my collection because I have little use for most music, of which shall surely give me a straight shot to hell.
Reading through this reminds me of another shortcoming.
Brahms is well-represented in my collection; I have multiple performances of his symphonies, much of his other orchestral music, most of his concertos, much of his chamber music, and his German Requiem (on LP, but not on CD). However, I do not have a single CD or LP devoted to his solo piano music. I have a few solo piano pieces here and there on various-composers recordings by specific pianists, but nothing comprehensive. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why I have overlooked this for all these years. I think I'll have to try to fix this deficiency this weekend. I'll probably also get the German Requiem on CD, but I'm not in a huge hurry since the LP I have is in good shape and is a decent recording (Handel and Haydn Society/Edward Gilday - 1963). Interestingly, an Internet search turns up hardly any references to this recording; it is not on CD and I turned up only one LP for sale, and no reviews.
Heather
I'm always finding shortcomings in my collection which is why I keep buying and buying and buying and buying and buying and buying and .........................buying(n+1)!
I just checked: I don't have a single recording of Chabrier's España on CD.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 15, 2007, 02:42:40 AM
Life threatening. Get the Klemperer as quickly as possible...your life depends on it.
Sarge
Or not.
At the risk of being controversial (and having now heard seven or eight different performances), I'd put Klemperer waaaaay down my list. Maazel, Haitink, Norrington (yes, Norrington) - hell, even the '77 Karajan - go in above the Klempster in my pecking order. But hey, we're all different. Gun to the head? Maazel. Or Haitink.
Quote from: Bunny on June 15, 2007, 07:16:43 AM
I'm always finding shortcomings in my collection which is why I keep buying and buying and buying and buying and buying and buying and .........................buying(n+1)!
Why does that sound familiar to me Hmmmm? ;D
Quote from: Mark on June 15, 2007, 07:19:35 AM
Or not.
At the risk of being controversial (and having now heard seven or eight different performances), I'd put Klemperer waaaaay down my list. Maazel, Haitink, Norrington (yes, Norrington) - hell, even the '77 Karajan - go in above the Klempster in my pecking order. But hey, we're all different. Gun to the head? Maazel. Or Haitink.
I am surprised that Previn's digital account isn't among your faves. :)
Quote from: George on June 15, 2007, 07:24:05 AM
I am surprised that Previn's digital account isn't among your faves. :)
Nah! Sounds like a run-through. Not bad. Not great, either. Brahms deserves better. ;)
Quote from: Mark on June 15, 2007, 07:26:11 AM
Nah! Sounds like a run-through. Not bad. Not great, either. Brahms deserves better. ;)
I've only heard my copy once or twice in poor condiitions so I will wait to report.
Quote from: Harry on June 15, 2007, 07:22:55 AM
Why does that sound familiar to me Hmmmm? ;D
Like mother like son?
Quote from: Mark on June 15, 2007, 07:19:35 AM
Or not.
At the risk of being controversial (and having now heard seven or eight different performances), I'd put Klemperer waaaaay down my list. Maazel, Haitink, Norrington (yes, Norrington) - hell, even the '77 Karajan - go in above the Klempster in my pecking order. But hey, we're all different. Gun to the head? Maazel. Or Haitink.
Hey, Mark. I'm glad you've finally found a Requiem you can live with. It's been a long search!
I have three problems with Maazel: he's too slow, almost turgid, and what's worse, he sounds slower than he actually is which means he's rhythmically less than compelling. Second problem: there's a lack of orchestral detail especially when the chorus is singing. That's the fault of both the recording engineer and Maazel's inability to balance his forces properly. Klemperer, as usual with this conductor, lets you hear everything clearly.
And finally, and this is purely subjective, Klemperer's interpretation is more dramatic than Maazel's.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 15, 2007, 08:21:58 AM
Hey, Mark. I'm glad you've finally found a Requiem you can live with.
Something about this lead in sentence is not quite working for me Sarge.
Quote from: Bogey on June 15, 2007, 08:24:29 AM
Something about this lead in sentence is not quite working for me Sarge.
;D
Reminds me what my grandfather used to say everytime we drove by a cemetery. "People are dying to get in there."
Quote from: Bogey on June 15, 2007, 08:24:29 AM
Something about this lead in sentence is not quite working for me Sarge.
Maybe I should rephrase that ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 15, 2007, 08:21:58 AM
Klemperer, as usual with this conductor, lets you hear everything clearly.
And finally, and this is purely subjective, Klemperer's interpretation is more dramatic than Maazel's.
Sarge
Interesting points, but I'll take issue if I may (derailing this thread in the process, for which I apologise).
Klemperer let's you hear everything clearly? Maybe when sat alongside Maazel, but no way true when placed beside the vocal clarity achieved by both Blomstedt and Norrington. The choral articulation in both of these peformances is FAR clearer than that in the Klemperer. Which brings me to your point (which you admit is subjective, as is what I'm about to post) about the drama in the Klemperer. I'd say it borders on melodrama; whereas with Blomstedt, the orchestral colours shine through clearer, and with Norrington, even more so. I've said before on here that with the Norrington in particular, you get the drama without the melodrama.
But I'd still choose Maazel or Haitink ;D. Both slower, yes (more appropriate for a Requiem, no?), but both with moments of lasting magic.
And yes, it has been some search. :)
Well, what is a shortcoming ? Much of it includes music I'm not attracted to. ;D
"Gaps" in my collection (none or very little): Early Music, British post-baroque composers (ANY), Bartok, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Schönberg, Webern. Some gaps I'd like to fill (Bartok, Stravinsky, Schönberg, Webern) others not... 8)
Q
I don't have a recording of the Tchaikovsky violin concerto (even though in my teens I played it in a violin/piano reduction).
Gluck's Orfeo ed Eurydice
Wozzeck :o
I guess we all have shortcomings in our collection: I am missing an overwhleming majority of Haydn's symphonies, I don't have any music by Bruckner, Shostakovich, Handel, Elgar (except March 1 from pomp and circumstance does that count??) to name a few. No reason to feel bad though, it is pointless to collect music you don't like just for the sake of filling gaps. I tried to fill in a Mahler gap once and I ended up with a complete symphony cycle that at present is gathering dust :-\ . (it is sitting in my living room on a top shelf where neither I nor the cleaners can get to it) ::)
marvin
My Biggest Shortcomings: Liszt, Vaughan-Williams, Early and middle Baroque (Nothing currently Pre-Vivaldi), Chamber Works by Dvorak or Nielsen, A second recording of several Bruckner & Mahler Symphonies, A surprising number of Haydn Concertos, Masses and Symphonies, more major Mozart works than I'd care to admit, Sibelius - Recently remedied! (Gosh, what was I missing!)
I still can't accept the fact that I only own 27 versions of Beethoven 9th...
Thanks to this thread, I have addressed two of the shortcomings in my collection. Today, I bought CDs of solo piano music by Brahms and Liszt (see the Purchases Today thread). This is a good start, but I will certainly need more.
Heather
Amazing Bach shortcomings in my collection:
- Goldberg Variations
- WTC book I
- English Suites
- Motets
I also have only three CDs of Bach's organ works.
Sadly I must admit I have no Brahms and Bruckner and very little Mozart! *goes running* Anything before say 1850 I could use more of. But also the 2nd Viennese guys. I have the problem of "discovering" a new work or composer and immersing myself for a few months at the exclusion of others. I think this past month my purchases were all Mahler and Sibelius.
(And another Planets, I'm so ashamed)But I feel my biggest shortcoming is genre-related rather - virtually all symphonic/concertos and opera. :o I'm exploring more string quartets and piano from the library, but I still can't seem to resist the siren song of unheard recordings of big orchestral pieces. I love it though! It's a thrill to lust after a certain recording and finally get it, and then appreciate it more because it's a work you know extremely well.
QuoteI tried to fill in a Mahler gap once and I ended up with a complete symphony cycle that at present is gathering dust. (It is sitting in my living room on a top shelf where neither I nor the cleaners can get to it)
Wanna pawn it off on someone? :D Won't gather any dust here!
Quote from: karlhenning on June 15, 2007, 09:46:23 AM
Gluck's Orfeo ed Eurydice
Wozzeck :o
I recently found rené jacob's recording of Orfeo for about $8.00 at a used cd store. and in mint condition. It's darn good, too. Recommended!
Quote from: Heather Harrison on June 15, 2007, 07:31:21 PM
Thanks to this thread, I have addressed two of the shortcomings in my collection.
And I ordered the Brilliant Classics set of Gulda playing the Beethoven Piano Sonatas.
hmmmm
composers I have very little or no CDs of though i'd like more:
Vaughan-Williams
Nono
Arvo Part
Dvorak
Saint-Saens
Ades
Bruckner (i just have the 4th and 7th)
Elgar
Percy Grainger
Cowell
Hindemith (just have Ludus Tonalis)
Babbitt
Feldman
Pettersson (although i've heard all of his symphonies)
Corigliano
Tippett
Benjamin Britten
Gyorgy Kurtag
Lutoslawski
Dutilleux
George Benjamin
Frank
Mendelssohn
Haydn
Bax
Gubaidulina
Terry Riley
composers I have very little or no CDs of, probably have heard a lot of their music and I don't really care to have any of their CDs:
Wagner
Mozart
Chopin
Delibes
Beethoven
Gottschalk
Quote from: greg on June 16, 2007, 08:46:48 AM
hmmmm
composers I have very little or no CDs of, probably have heard a lot of their music and I don't really care to have any of their CDs:
Wagner
Mozart
Chopin
Delibes
Beethoven
Gottschalk
Ouch! 3 of the big four are on that list (Wagner, Beethoven and Mozart) (what about J.S. Bach??) and Chopin too! I am always amazed by the diversity of musical interests of the GMG members. What some of us consider GREAT or ESSENTIAL for any music collection others consider unacceptable or unfavorable.....I guess variety is the spice of life after all!!!!
marvin
marvin
Quote from: marvinbrown on June 16, 2007, 02:15:58 PM
Ouch! 3 of the big four are on that list (Wagner, Beethoven and Mozart) (what about J.S. Bach??) and Chopin too! I am always amazed by the diversity of musical interests of the GMG members. What some of us consider GREAT or ESSENTIAL for any music collection others consider unacceptable or unfavorable.....I guess variety is the spice of life after all!!!!
marvin
marvin
yeppity deputy! (that's my own phrase i coined a couple years ago but has been previously unreleased now to the victims of the GMG forum)
I looooooooooooove Bach. Those other guys I've heard quite a bit of, and like just a little and might not be able to stand some. Bach is yummy.
Quote from: marvinbrown on June 16, 2007, 02:15:58 PM
Ouch! 3 of the big four are on that list (Wagner, Beethoven and Mozart) (what about J.S. Bach??) and Chopin too! I am always amazed by the diversity of musical interests of the GMG members. What some of us consider GREAT or ESSENTIAL for any music collection others consider unacceptable or unfavorable.....I guess variety is the spice of life after all!!!!
marvin
marvin
I imagine that I'd be listening to music about
1/3 less than I do now if I cut out Mozart, Beethoven, and Wagner. But then, most already
knew that, huh ;)?
Quote from: Haffner on June 16, 2007, 03:29:19 PM
I imagine that I'd be listening to music about 1/3 less than I do now if I cut out Mozart, Beethoven, and Wagner. But then, most already knew that, huh ;)?
Yes and my condition would be a lot worst than yours...my collection would drop 3/4 of what it is today.
marvin
PS: I better take out an insurance policy on my collection of Wagner, Mozart and Beethoven cds!!!!
Quote from: Wendell_E on June 16, 2007, 08:20:05 AM
And I ordered the Brilliant Classics set of Gulda playing the Beethoven Piano Sonatas.
One of my very favorite sets. You chose wisely. 8)
Quote from: George on June 15, 2007, 08:25:52 AM
;D
Reminds me what my grandfather used to say everytime we drove by a cemetery. "People are dying to get in there."
Or like my friend who works in a mortuary says about her job, "It's a dying business."
Allan
Quote from: toledobass on June 16, 2007, 04:28:11 PM
Or like my friend who works in a mortuary says about her job, "It's a dying business."
Allan
;)
Quote from: marvinbrown on June 16, 2007, 04:07:34 PM
Yes and my condition would be a lot worst than yours...my collection would drop 3/4 of what it is today.
marvin
PS: I better take out an insurance policy on my collection of Wagner, Mozart and Beethoven cds!!!!
;D
Shortcomings in my collection:
Haydn - Symphonies and String Quartets
Mozart - String Trios, Quartets and Quintets, no full length operas.
Dvorak - Anything other than his symphonies and a handful of select orchestral works
Shostakovich - Symphonies and string quartets
Sibelius - Symphonies
Mendelssohn - Piano Trios
Beethoven - String Trios :(
Brahms - Sonatas of any kind :(
And much more! May the Year 2008 eliminate many, if not all of these gaps! ;D
no short-comings in my collection...it's MINE and thus reflects only what i want to hear on a regular basis. ;)
were i building a public or college music library, i would buy differently.
dj
Quote from: ChamberNut on January 08, 2008, 09:30:05 AM
Shortcomings in my collection:
Mozart - String Trios, Quartets and Quintets, no full length operas.
And much more! May the Year 2008 eliminate many, if not all of these gaps! ;D
I'd start with the String Quintets, these are in my opinion a must have. This recording was recommended to me by the GMG members a few years ago and I think it is outstanding:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZW1AFV4QL._SS500_.jpg)
marvin
I don't have any amazing shortcomings; I do have amazing exaggerations though.
Thinking about it, I would like more of the following:
Bach Goldbergs and WTC's
Wagner Operas
Berlioz Anything
Aho
Quote from: marvinbrown on January 08, 2008, 12:25:47 PM
I'd start with the String Quintets, these are in my opinion a must have. This recording was recommended to me by the GMG members a few years ago and I think it is outstanding:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZW1AFV4QL._SS500_.jpg)
marvin
I am not sure about the Talich...I have their highly touted Beethoven set and frankly I find it extremely underpowered compared to the Alban Berg, The Takacs, or even the Amadeus. But maybe their style suits Mozart more.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on January 08, 2008, 12:34:08 PM
I am not sure about the Talich...I have their highly touted Beethoven set and frankly I find it extremely underpowered compared to the Alban Berg, The Takacs, or even the Amadeus. But maybe their style suits Mozart more.
hmmm... I find their playing crisp, focused and well suited to these pieces. Perhaps it is advisable that ChamberNut sample before buying.
marvin
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on January 08, 2008, 12:34:08 PM
I am not sure about the Talich...I have their highly touted Beethoven set and frankly I find it extremely underpowered compared to the Alban Berg, The Takacs, or even the Amadeus. But maybe their style suits Mozart more.
Not in my book, but I do love the group's Janacek and Dvorak.
Quote from: 71 dB on June 14, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
Many of you may find it amazing I don't have any symphony CDs from the following well-known composers:
Berlioz
Bruckner
Dvorák
Mahler
Mendelssohn (I have some string symphonies thou)
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan-Williams
What are the amazing shortcoming of your collection?
No Wagner, no Mahler, no Elgar, no Dvorak, no Mendelssohn, no Schubert, no Bruckner, no Tchaikovsky... because I'm a Philistine whose tastes in music begin, basically, in the 20th century. But I do have Maxwell Davies, Gerhard, Macmillan, Milesi, Balada, Ferrero, Colgrass and Samuel Jones... because I'm a Philistine, etc.
Not too many gaps, but even though I love Wagner I am without a Tannhaeuser at present (except the old Konwistchny - sp? - on LP, so I guess I have one after all). I also have no Arnold Bax, but I hardly think that's a shortcoming amazing or otherwise, and I have only two Malcolm Arnolds, which is at least two too many.
Quote from: Sforzando on January 08, 2008, 01:01:44 PM
Not too many gaps, but even though I love Wagner I am without a Tannhaeuser at present (except the old Konwistchny - sp? - on LP, so I guess I have one after all). I also have no Arnold Bax, but I hardly think that's a shortcoming amazing or otherwise, and I have only two Malcolm Arnolds, which is at least two too many.
Oh well. I have dozens of Bax and around 20 Arnolds and would kill to keep them in my possession.
I love Prokofiev, but I haven't got recordings of Romeo and Juliet (beyond some excerpts) or Cinderella.
I don't have the Shostakovich piano concerti.
I guess the big gaps in my collection pertain to Russian music. I have none of the Tchaikovsky symphonies, concertos, or tone poems, though I do have some of piano and ballet music, and nothing at all by Rachmaninov, even on anthology albums.
Quote from: Joe Barron on January 08, 2008, 02:44:58 PM
....and nothing at all by Rachmaninov, even on anthology albums.
:o :o :o :o :o
(that was the first time I ever used 5 :o , but I think that they were called for) $:)
I don't have any Mozart, except for Little Night Music. However, I've heard most of his works, due to the 24/7 Mozart-exclusive 320kbps online radio here.
Quote from: George on January 08, 2008, 08:25:34 PM
:o :o :o :o :o
(that was the first time I ever used 5 :o , but I think that they were called for) $:)
Even more shocking is that he does not have any of the Tchaikovsky symphonies :o :o! Symphonies 4, 5 and 6 I believe are absolutely essential to any music collection. There are so many fine recordings on the market, a music listener is spoiled for choice.
marvin
Quote from: 71 dB on June 14, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
Many of you may find it amazing I don't have any symphony CDs from the following well-known composers:
Berlioz
Bruckner
Dvorák
Mahler
Mendelssohn (I have some string symphonies thou)
Rachmaninov
Schubert
Tchaikovsky
Vaughan-Williams
What are the amazing shortcoming of your collection?
Now I do have
Bruckner 3, 4, 6 & 8 ,
Mahler 1, 3, 4, 5 and
Dvorák 9.
No shortcomings in my collection.
But there is a lot to be added in the coming years. ;D
Quote from: Harry on January 09, 2008, 01:30:14 AM
No shortcomings in my collection.
But there is a lot to be added in the coming years. ;D
Elgar's oratorios? ;)
Quote from: Florestan on January 09, 2008, 01:43:29 AM
Wagner?
That is not a shortcoming, but much needed protection. ;D
Quote from: 71 dB on January 09, 2008, 01:45:00 AM
Elgar's oratorios? ;)
Well I will certainly try, but I am weak in the knees concerning works of that magnitude Poju. :)
Quote from: Harry on January 09, 2008, 02:09:01 AM
Well I will certainly try, but I am weak in the knees concerning works of that magnitude Poju. :)
Be a man Harry! ;)
Quote from: Harry on January 09, 2008, 02:09:01 AM
Well I will certainly try, but I am weak in the knees concerning works of that magnitude Poju. :)
You're not alone . . . . .
Quote from: Sforzando on January 08, 2008, 01:01:44 PM
Not too many gaps, but even though I love Wagner I am without a Tannhaeuser at present (except the old Konwistchny - sp? - on LP, so I guess I have one after all). I also have no Arnold Bax, but I hardly think that's a shortcoming amazing or otherwise, and I have only two Malcolm Arnolds, which is at least two too many.
A lack of Bax is a shortcoming in my book. If you haven't explored his work, I'd recommend it highly. Arnold's symphonies and film music are also worth exploring.
A big lacuna in my collection: no opera on DVD and a relative paucity on CD, but only because I haven't gotten around to it yet because of my greater interest in symphonic music, not from any lack of interest in opera. Otherwise no "amazing" shortcomings, afaik. I have much of the standard repertoire, all of Bach and Mozart, nearly all of LvB, most of Stravinsky, a big chunk of Haydn's output, all genres, and works ranging from early Baroque (no Medieval or Renaissance, alas) to contemporary, and composers of many nationalities and styles.
Quote from: marvinbrown on January 09, 2008, 12:46:40 AM
Even more shocking is that he does not have any of the Tchaikovsky symphonies :o :o! Symphonies 4, 5 and 6 I believe are absolutely essential to any music collection. There are so many fine recordings on the market, a music listener is spoiled for choice.
marvin
And the
Manfred, and the
Manfred, don't forget the
Manfred.
Sorry for the repetition - just to be sure.. ;D
Any Tchaikovsky symphonies collection without it - now
that is an amazing shortcoming.
Q
Not sure if there are any major shortcomings in my collection. The only somewhat important composer not in my collection is Gluck, and he is not that major either.
Quote from: Que on January 09, 2008, 05:47:17 AM
And the Manfred, and the Manfred, don't forget the Manfred.
Sorry for the repetition - just to be sure.. ;D
Any Tchaikovsky symphonies collection without it - now that is an amazing shortcoming.
Q
I finally bought a copy of Manfred (Svetlanov) last year. I think it's time I spinned that one.
Quote from: Grazioso on January 09, 2008, 04:45:37 AM
A lack of Bax is a shortcoming in my book. If you haven't explored his work, I'd recommend it highly. Arnold's symphonies and film music are also worth exploring.
If you or someone else wants to suggest a couple - and I mean a couple, not several dozen - CDs representing Bax at his best, I'll consider trying them. I have heard some of his work on radio and was not very impressed. As for Arnold, other than the slow final movement of the 9th symphony I have not been very impressed either. We all read different books.
Quote from: springrite on January 09, 2008, 05:50:22 AM
Not sure if there are any major shortcomings in my collection. The only somewhat important composer not in my collection is Gluck, and he is not that major either.
I think if you were to hear Iphigenie en Tauride (the Gardiner recording is ok, and I recently saw the new production at the Met in NYC with Placido Domingo and Susan Graham), you might change your tune. It is a fabulous opera, a clear forerunner to the operatic styles of Mozart and even Berlioz, and more impressive and interesting (in my book) than the more chaste and restrained Orfeo ed Euridice - though that is a fine work as well.
Quote from: George on January 09, 2008, 05:54:07 AM
I finally bought a copy of Manfred (Svetlanov) last year. I think it's time I spinned that one.
Sounds good,
George! :)
Q
Delius
Finzi
Quote from: rockerreds on January 09, 2008, 09:00:15 AM
Delius
Finzi
Get Finzi's Eclogue for piano and strings, Op. 10!
Quote from: Sforzando on January 09, 2008, 06:02:48 AM
If you or someone else wants to suggest a couple - and I mean a couple, not several dozen - CDs representing Bax at his best, I'll consider trying them. I have heard some of his work on radio and was not very impressed. As for Arnold, other than the slow final movement of the 9th symphony I have not been very impressed either. We all read different books.
Here's a great one to start with:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B74RF5AHL._SS500_.jpg)
It includes his "greatest hit",
Tintagel. Bax took a while to grow on me, but I found the effort more than worthwhile in the end.
Chamber music....you name it, I probably don't have it :'(
Allan
Quote from: Grazioso on January 10, 2008, 04:09:02 AM
Here's a great one to start with:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B74RF5AHL._SS500_.jpg)
It includes his "greatest hit", Tintagel. Bax took a while to grow on me, but I found the effort more than worthwhile in the end.
Okay, I will order that one. Thank you.
Quote from: marvinbrown on January 08, 2008, 12:37:03 PM
hmmm... I find their playing crisp, focused and well suited to these pieces. Perhaps it is advisable that ChamberNut sample before buying.
marvin
The Talich is second only to the Prazac, in my eyes (ears) at least.
- Mozart Serenades & Divertimenti, especially the Vegh recording - but on my wish list.
- Complete Boulez works /DG
- Rautavaara: Complete concertos
Possibly on the long-term list too:
- Rautavaara: complete symphonies
- Raff: complete symphonies
- Spohr: complete symphonies & string quartets
- C.P.E. Bach: Complete piano works, Hännsler CD
- C.P.E. Bach: Complete concertos/Spanyi, should it become very cheap
I don't have CDs of most music, but I'd be surprised if anyone does!
Fauré's Piano Trio op.120.It somehow escaped me (damned unemployment...)
My collection has gaps but I don't think any amazing ones.
Interesting.
Among orchestral music, none.
There are some glaring gaps in opera: Verdi, Bellini, Massenet and many others.
I do not have a single art song of Schubert, Brahms, Wolfe and many others.
Piano music of Mozart and Haydn.
String quartets of Mozart and Haydn.
Since I am a band junkie I have very few of the classic marches. Very few of Sousa. None of Filmore, Goldman or King.
Which is sad since I have over 2600 CD's and 700 LP's in my library. I am 69 and I still have the first LP I purchased when I was 14.
I am uncomfortable discussing the shortcomings in my music library because it shows the shortcomings of my ears.
The gaps in my collection are both amazing and deliberate. Symphonies, especially classical ones, with the exposition of the two themes, their development and a final as a recap of the themes are so predictable that I loose interest at the first listen even before the piece finishes.
So composers with dominant symphonic output are hardly there, with some notable exceptions. Mahler symphonies have very interesting instrumental and sound palettes. This makes up for his taste for drawn out side tracks.
Quote from: Spineur on September 17, 2016, 05:03:17 AM
The gaps in my collection are both amazing and deliberate. Symphonies, especially classical ones, with the exposition of the two themes, their development and a final as a recap of the themes are so predictable that I loose interest at the first listen even before the piece finishes.
So composers with dominant symphonic output are hardly there, with some notable exceptions. Mahler symphonies have very interesting instrumental and sound palettes. This makes up for his taste for drawn out side tracks.
Interesting...
You find works like Mozart's Sym#39 or Haydn's Sym#96 "predictable"?
I don't have any music by Wagner (except some piano works and a couple of orchestral favourites from compilations) and I probably should, even though I still don't like him much. At very least one Ring cycle, one Meistersinger and one Parsifal.
I also don't have any Verdi except the string quartet and probably should look into getting at least an Otello and a Falstaff and probably an Aïda even though I also don't like him much yet.
I... also don't have Mozart's Da Ponte operas which I really should have. Or Beethoven's Fidelio. Or any of the operas by Berlioz.
In fact I basically have almost no opera in my collection at all. So that's probably the main "shortcoming". I also don't have much solo vocal music or much choral music. These three categories of works may have something in common.
Quote from: amw on September 17, 2016, 05:31:28 AM
I also don't have any Verdi except the string quartet and probably should look into getting at least an Otello and a Falstaff and probably an Aïda even though I also don't like him much yet.
This is certainly OK, but - you´ve probably heard it before - the Requiem is perhaps the best single work to own for those less interested in opera, I think.
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on September 17, 2016, 05:18:31 AM
Interesting...
You find works like Mozart's Sym#39 or Haydn's Sym#96 "predictable"?
I have an excellent memory (even if I am over 50). So the very well known symphonies are "sort of stored there" and I have no need for recordings. This is true of Beethoven symphonies as well.
I have gaps in the opera department (very little Donizetti, Bellini and Rossini, not Massenet etc. but most of the better known Verdi operas) but I would not call any of them "glaring" or "amazing"... I would not call the gaps mentioned by Turner in #128 amazing either (unless they are amazing taking to account his other musical preferences). I have no Rautavaara but a few symphonies each by Spohr and Raff and maybe a half dozen discs each of CPE Bach keyboard works and concerti so I consider this stuff reasonably well represented in my shelves despite not at all complete.
Quote from: Jo498 on September 17, 2016, 05:50:47 AM
I would not call the gaps mentioned by Turner in #128 amazing either (unless they are amazing taking to account his other musical preferences). I have no Rautavaara but a few symphonies each by Spohr and Raff and maybe a half dozen discs each of CPE Bach keyboard works and concerti so I consider this stuff reasonably well represented in my shelves despite not at all complete.
You´re right, not really essential repertoire, though Raff for example has some die-hard fans and the items keep being mentioned on various classical website forums. More of a want-list, I guess.
- From Boulez I have only In memoriam Bruno Maderna-as a filler of Bruckner's 8th from Michael Gielen :)
- Terry Riley's In C :-X
- None of Lenny's Mahler-Sony cycle :o
- Horenstein's Mahler 3rd >:(
- Barbirolli's Mahler 5th :(
Quote from: Spineur on September 17, 2016, 05:40:09 AM
I have an excellent memory (even if I am over 50). So the very well known symphonies are "sort of stored there" and I have no need for recordings. This is true of Beethoven symphonies as well.
This is quite interesting! I can certainly see where you are coming from here, but I would also assume that formulaic harmonic functions of the common practice era would add to the 'predictability' of this music. :)
However, because I rarely listen to Beethoven's symphonies, the odd occasion I do I am often thrilled due it not sounding 'overplayed'.
Quote from: Obradovic on September 17, 2016, 06:05:27 AM
- From Boulez I have only In memoriam Bruno Maderna-as a filler of Bruckner's 8th from Michael Gielen :)
- Terry Riley's In C :-X
- None of Lenny's Mahler-Sony cycle :o
- Horenstein's Mahler 3rd >:(
- Barbirolli's Mahler 5th :(
OK you are CRIMINALLY lacking boulez!
Quote from: jessop on September 17, 2016, 03:04:12 PM
OK you are CRIMINALLY lacking boulez!
Hmmmm... yes... perhaps...
and from Penderecki I have only his Violin Concerto No.2 >:(
Quote from: Obradovic on September 18, 2016, 01:12:31 AM
Hmmmm... yes... perhaps...
and from Penderecki I have only his Violin Concerto No.2 >:(
Ok I don't have any Penderecki at all so what can I say..... ::)
Ι think we should have given him (Penderecki) a chance but when shopping you somehow find other priorities i.e. to buy a 14th Eroica just to move away from the ominous #13... ::)
Quote from: jessop on September 18, 2016, 01:15:00 AM
Ok I don't have any Penderecki at all so what can I say..... ::)
I don't have either.
I don't believe I have any shortcomings in my collection, because I've always bought music that I gravitated towards and would, hopefully, enjoy time and time again.
Quote from: Bonehelm on June 14, 2007, 12:02:24 PM
Sir Edward Elgar.
An absence of Elgar from your collection is not a shortcoming. It is good taste ;-)
In a thread with this OP, I probably have the most amazing shortcoming of all: I don't have 'a collection.'
Best regards.
It sounds clumsy and too different in English but in German I often say that I do not have a collection (Sammlung) but an accumulation (Ansammlung). A lot of things have accumulated, only a fraction was collected...
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on September 18, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
An absence of Elgar from your collection is not a shortcoming. It is good taste ;-)
In a thread with this OP, I probably have the most amazing shortcoming of all: I don't have 'a collection.'
Best regards.
I was going to list Elgar's symphonies as a shortcoming in mine. I have recordings of each. ;)
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on September 18, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
An absence of Elgar from your collection is not a shortcoming. It is good taste ;-)
My taste must then be really bad! >:D
Quote from: 71 dB on September 19, 2016, 03:07:39 AM
My taste must then be really bad! >:D
Within a classical music community, each and every fan has great taste
and terrible taste in music.
The Great taste barometer is that you like / love what the other person likes / loves: the bad taste barometer is when you like / love what the other person dislikes / loathes...
but of course >:D
Best regards.
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on September 18, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
In a thread with this OP, I probably have the most amazing shortcoming of all: I don't have 'a collection.'
Very wise of you. Everything is free nowadays why should you have to pay and store cds, mp3s etc.
Robert Schumann
I have a lot by William Schuman however!
Not much Mendelssohn either.
Richard Strauss
Operas by Mozart (none)
Puccini
Rossini
Orffs Carmina Burana
I like the piece but never got a CD.
A recording of Beethoven's Missa Solemnis :-[
Quote from: North Star on October 16, 2016, 12:39:00 PM
A recording of Beethoven's Missa Solemnis :-[
Quite extraordinary (the recording, that is):
[asin]B00000E4A6[/asin]
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on October 16, 2016, 01:23:25 PM
Quite extraordinary (the recording, that is):
[Jochum]
And rather expensive & oop, too. :(
I also wonder if I'd prefer some of the HIP recordings -
Herreweghe II,
Harnoncourt? I don't know the piece (or recordings) well enough to judge, but I tend to gravitate towards HIP
Beethoven. I'll have to investigate.
Quote from: North Star on October 16, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
And rather expensive & oop, too. :(
Yes, unfortunately.
QuoteI also wonder if I'd prefer some of the HIP recordings - Herreweghe II, Harnoncourt? I don't know the piece (or recordings) well enough to judge, but I tend to gravitate towards HIP Beethoven. I'll have to investigate.
Yeah Jochum isn't shy about giving the piece the "Berlioz" treatment. ;D
But beyond that what works so well for Jochum is his ability to bring a sense of interconnectivity and fluidity to the work. Now that I think about it the structure and form of the work actually
does resemble Berlioz in its sense of formlessness, keeping the music alive with a sense of forward motion and alternating side-ventures into the unexpected. The good stuff.
Not that Jochum is the only one to manage this. Solti in his Berlin Philharmonic recording is also quite accomplished this way, and he's less "Berliozian" in his size and grandeur. But the sense of ebb and flow is strong and very attractive.
As far as HIP, I do actually have Herreweghe I. I like it, without feeling it quite captures the necessary sense of "the whole", particularly in the slow reflective passages. It's in these passages where the work (to me) builds on its mysticism/spirituality. The singers and choir must meet the orchestra head-on and keep the mystery alive for these extended pensive passages. It's a relatively simple thing (to my ears) to keep the speedy passages sounding appropriately invigorating but once the pace sloooooows vigor must be met with reflection, and not just any reflection, but reflection that carries every bit of the house and farm and whatever acreage with it (plus all the barn animals, too). I miss that in Herreweghe.
Anyway, I haven't heard any other HIP performances and wouldn't know if any of them manage all this but if you find one that does I'd be anxious to know about it!
For the Beethoven Missa Solemnis, Steinberg is outstanding. Blew me away...
Quote from: mc ukrneal on October 16, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
For the Beethoven Missa Solemnis, Steinberg is outstanding. Blew me away...
Is that the one from the West German Radio/Cologne?
I can also readily endorse the Jochum version of the Missa Solemnis; it really does deserve to be better known.
Levine is another one that I would heartily recommend; a truly powerful performance.
I've heard a few performances of the Missa Solemnis, notably Solti, but latched onto the live Gardiner as soon as it came out and haven't felt the need for a different one since. If that helps.
Quote from: Jo498 on October 17, 2016, 03:08:38 AM
Is that the one from the West German Radio/Cologne?
Yes. Excellent soloists too, I might add. This one (in case there is any confusion):
[asin]B006ICUJ5A[/asin]
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on October 16, 2016, 03:57:11 PM
Yes, unfortunately.
Yeah Jochum isn't shy about giving the piece the "Berlioz" treatment. ;D
But beyond that what works so well for Jochum is his ability to bring a sense of interconnectivity and fluidity to the work. Now that I think about it the structure and form of the work actually does resemble Berlioz in its sense of formlessness, keeping the music alive with a sense of forward motion and alternating side-ventures into the unexpected. The good stuff.
Not that Jochum is the only one to manage this. Solti in his Berlin Philharmonic recording is also quite accomplished this way, and he's less "Berliozian" in his size and grandeur. But the sense of ebb and flow is strong and very attractive.
As far as HIP, I do actually have Herreweghe I. I like it, without feeling it quite captures the necessary sense of "the whole", particularly in the slow reflective passages. It's in these passages where the work (to me) builds on its mysticism/spirituality. The singers and choir must meet the orchestra head-on and keep the mystery alive for these extended pensive passages. It's a relatively simple thing (to my ears) to keep the speedy passages sounding appropriately invigorating but once the pace sloooooows vigor must be met with reflection, and not just any reflection, but reflection that carries every bit of the house and farm and whatever acreage with it (plus all the barn animals, too). I miss that in Herreweghe.
Anyway, I haven't heard any other HIP performances and wouldn't know if any of them manage all this but if you find one that does I'd be anxious to know about it!
Berliozian, you say? Hm, I don't know... I have
Berlioz for that ;)
Yes, I had read something about
Herreweghe I lacking in the slower passages, but apparently he has improved on that in his second recording.
Quote from: amw on October 17, 2016, 03:36:50 AM
I've heard a few performances of the Missa Solemnis, notably Solti, but latched onto the live Gardiner as soon as it came out and haven't felt the need for a different one since. If that helps.
Ah yes, I forgot about
Gardiner's newer recording. Yes, certainly another one I'm considering.
Thanks, all.
I don't have any Mozart.
Quote from: NikF on October 17, 2016, 08:20:48 AM
I don't have any Mozart.
First-aid kit
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I'll take your word for it and add it to my list. Thanks.
Quote from: NikF on October 17, 2016, 08:20:48 AM
I don't have any Mozart.
Your life is incomplete :o :)
Quote from: North Star on October 17, 2016, 04:58:10 AM
Yes, I had read something about Herreweghe I lacking in the slower passages, but apparently he has improved on that in his second recording.
Cool, thanks. I'll check him out. :)
The big Boulez Columbia box is unfortunately still missing from my Boulez shrine. Haven't been able to afford it, but it isn't really a thing that bothers me. :)
Practically nothing pre-1600, except some Monteverdi. No Schütz, only one Palestrina mass (used to have a few in lp times), no Machaut, no flemish polyphony, no spanish or catalan Renaissance music. No gregorian chant either.
No Schumann vocal cycle. No Bellini except half a dozen Normas. No Massenet except Werther.
Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.
Quote from: André on October 17, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.
I'm actually surprised by how much post-WWII music I have in my collection: Lutoslawski, Schnittke, Grisey, Murail, Gubaidulina, Pettersson, Scelsi, Xenakis, Boulez, Nono, Feldman, Ligeti, Dutilleux, Cage, Kurtag, Sculthorpe, Silvestrov, Part, Vasks, Reich, Berio, Carter, Penderecki, Norgard, Rihm, and the list goes on.
Quote from: André on October 17, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
Practically nothing pre-1600, except some Monteverdi. No Schütz, only one Palestrina mass (used to have a few in lp times), no Machaut, no flemish polyphony, no spanish or catalan Renaissance music. No gregorian chant either.
No Schumann vocal cycle. No Bellini except half a dozen Normas. No Massenet except Werther.
Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.
I love the Tallis Scholars, others don't. Check the Early Music thread for possibilities.
Bellini and Massenet: try Don Quichotte, but otherwise I am in sympathy with you.
I am not into lieder, especially Schumann's lieder, but I think this is a good one, and possibly the only one needed
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/512dGa%2B-XFL.jpg)
And I heartily recommend the Boulez Complete Works box, with the observation that the later the work came in order of composition, the more I liked it. Also the Ligeti DG set (Clouds and Cuckoos). But modern composers is a crowded field filled with many I know nothing of.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I only know Fraueliebe und Leben. It plays on the radio regularly and I heard it live (Jessye Norman, around 1977 IIRC).
Brahms lieder are a blind spot, too.
Quote from: André on October 17, 2016, 05:48:55 PM
Thanks for the suggestion.
I only know Fraueliebe und Leben. It plays on the radio regularly and I heard it live (Jessye Norman, around 1977 IIRC).
Brahms lieder are a blind spot, too.
I only have this as part of a Richter set
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51sqQ9Mx%2BTL.jpg)
There are other DFD recordings with or without Richter, and several alternates if you don't want DFD, but that seems to be the only Brahms lieder I myself have.
Quote from: André on October 17, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
Practically nothing pre-1600, except some Monteverdi. No Schütz, only one Palestrina mass (used to have a few in lp times), no Machaut, no flemish polyphony, no spanish or catalan Renaissance music. No gregorian chant either.
No Schumann vocal cycle. No Bellini except half a dozen Normas. No Massenet except Werther.
Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.
Which Boulez disc?
Quote from: NikF on October 17, 2016, 08:20:48 AM
I don't have any Mozart.
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I have no CD by the great violinist Accardo.
Quote from: springrite on October 18, 2016, 05:42:42 AM
I have no CD by the great violinist Accardo.
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Sarge
Quote from: jessop on October 17, 2016, 11:44:09 PM
Which Boulez disc?
This one:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/418X0W6N7GL.jpg)
Quote from: André on October 17, 2016, 05:48:55 PM
Thanks for the suggestion.
I only know Fraueliebe und Leben. It plays on the radio regularly and I heard it live (Jessye Norman, around 1977 IIRC).
Frauenliebe und leben is at best about the 3rd or 4th of Schumann's lieder cycles in order of importance and excellence. The supreme masterpieces are the Eichendorff settings op.39 and Dichterliebe op.48 and I would say a collection lacking those is as "incomplete" as one lacking Schubert's Winterreise or Mozart's Don Giovanni. I'd personally also put the earlier Heine settings op.24 and the Kerner-Lieder op.35 above the Frauenliebe (but at least the op.35 is a fairly loose collection not really a unified cycle).
Quote from: Jo498 on October 18, 2016, 08:02:36 AM
Frauenliebe und leben is at best about the 3rd or 4th of Schumann's lieder cycles in order of importance and excellence. The supreme masterpieces are the Eichendorff settings op.39 and Dichterliebe op.48 and I would say a collection lacking those is as "incomplete" as one lacking Schubert's Winterreise or Mozart's Don Giovanni. I'd personally also put the earlier Heine settings op.24 and the Kerner-Lieder op.35 above the Frauenliebe (but at least the op.35 is a fairly loose collection not really a unified cycle).
Frauenliebe und leben has really suffered in recent decades as the text doesn't strike an accord with feminists nowadays. But the music is gorgeous.
maybe, but it certainly strikes me as odd to have heard/own Frauenliebe but not Dichterliebe and op.39.
Quote from: André on October 18, 2016, 06:31:33 AM
This one:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/418X0W6N7GL.jpg)
If you only have one, that's the one to have 8)
Sarge
Quote from: Jo498 on October 18, 2016, 11:07:15 AM
maybe, but it certainly strikes me as odd to have heard/own Frauenliebe but not Dichterliebe and op.39.
Well, I suppose it goes well with the title of the thread, don't you think ? ??? ::)
Quote from: André on October 17, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
Practically nothing pre-1600, except some Monteverdi. No Schütz, only one Palestrina mass (used to have a few in lp times), no Machaut, no flemish polyphony, no spanish or catalan Renaissance music. No gregorian chant either.
No Schumann vocal cycle. No Bellini except half a dozen Normas. No Massenet except Werther.
Very, very little modern music except Carter, Krzysztof Meyer, Thierry Escaich and R. Murray Schaffer (I have quite a few of each). So, no Grisey, Stockhausen, half a disc of Rihm, one of Boulez.
This should help with the
Schumann problem. 8)
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As for Pre-1600, I don't know how familiar with, or interested in, the repertoire you are, but if you want a quick fix, or a solid start of an early music library, this set from Ricercar (and I assume the
Music in Europe at the Time of the Renaissance set, too) will do the trick. The hardcover book has several informative essays about the music, and the CDs are well programmed, filled to the brim with superb performances of a wide variety of music.
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...or you could start slowly with just one disc:
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And this is a great bargain box of great
Machaut recordings, including
Messe Nostre Dame, secular chansons and some motets.
[asin]B004QRUJJ0[/asin]
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 18, 2016, 11:26:06 AM
If you only have one, that's the one to have 8)
Sarge
+1
Absolute minimum requirement for any CD collection :P
Aho, Alkan, Alwyn, Arnold, Bantock, Bax, Berio, Bloch, Boulez, Braga Santos, Bridge, Butterworth, Byrd Keyboard, Canteloube, Carter, Casella, Corelli, CPE Bach, D'Indy, Dallapicolla, Dutilleux, Enescu, Fauré (chamber), Frescobaldi, Froberger, Gabaidulina, Gade, Ginastera, Hartmann, Hindemith, Holmboe, Honegger, Hovhaness, Hummel, Ives, Kachaturian, Korngold, Liadov, Ligeti, Lindberg, Lutoslawski, Magnard, Malipiero, Massenet, Melartin, Milhaud, Moeran, Mozart SQ, Norgard, Novakm, Peterson-Berger, Pfitzner, Pierne, Prokofiev (Ballets), Rautavaraa, Reger, Reiff, Revueltas, Rihm, Rubbra, Sallinen, Schnittke, Clara Schumann, Shostakovitch (SQ), Scriabin, Simpson, Soler, Sweelinck, Szymanovski, Telemann (harpsichord), Tippett, Toch, Tubin, Vasks, Walton, Weinberg, Wolf, Wuorinen, Xenakis, Zelenka....and Opera (except Wagner).
...but I am ok with it 8)
I'm not sure those are all equally amazing shortcomings, Olivier 0:)
Quote from: North Star on October 19, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
I'm not sure those are all equally amazing shortcomings, Olivier 0:)
Some of the absences are blessings ? :laugh: 0:)
Quote from: Papy Oli on October 19, 2016, 01:16:35 PM
Some of the absences are blessings ? :laugh: 0:)
No, I wouldn't say that. Just that e.g. the Mozart SQs, Byrd, Ives, Hartmann, Fauré, Ligeti, Prokofiev, Schnittke, Shostakovich, Zelenka, and the whole genre of opera are at least to me more rewarding than some of the less famous 20th century names on that list.
Quote from: North Star on October 19, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
No, I wouldn't say that. Just that e.g. the Mozart SQs, Byrd, Ives, Hartmann, Fauré, Ligeti, Prokofiev, Schnittke, Shostakovich, Zelenka, and the whole genre of opera are at least to me more rewarding than some of the less famous 20th century names on that list.
I couldn't agree more. Ligeti alone trumps everything else on that list. :P
I have heard lots of things from Schubert...All the symphonies, many songs, the last 4 or so string quartets, the Trout Quintet, the String Quintet, most of the piano sonatas....but the only thing I actually have in my collection is Winterreise.
Violadude! Are you here to stay?
-from coag
I don't have a single copy of Pachelbel's Canon in D! That's pretty amazing. :)
8)
You're an alien ! 8)
Quote from: André on October 24, 2016, 04:32:23 PM
You're an alien ! 8)
;D An amazing one at that! :)
8)
Quote from: jessop on October 24, 2016, 03:56:06 PM
Violadude! Are you here to stay?
-from coag
Yup. So many of my old TC friends are over here now!
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 24, 2016, 07:55:13 PM
I vaguely knew you over there before I left, remember me dude? ;)
Are you, Xenakiboy, or something like that?
Quote from: violadude on October 25, 2016, 10:11:56 PM
Are you, Xenakiboy, or something like that?
Lol, "Something like that."
Tsk, tsk, just below the profile pic is:
"An Armature Pianist", known to some as Xenakiboy" (some of us so liked the typo-misspell of "Amateur" that the good fellow has kept it :-)
(BTW, it is really nice to have you as a contributor to this forum!)
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on October 25, 2016, 10:18:50 PM
Lol, "Something like that."
Tsk, tsk, just below the profile pic is:
"An Armature Pianist", known to some as Xenakiboy" (some of us so liked the typo-misspell of "Amateur" that the good fellow has kept it :-)
(BTW, it is really nice to have you as a contributor to this forum!)
Oh haha. Missed that little notice under his/her picture.
And thank you :)
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 25, 2016, 10:26:13 PM
My pal Monsieur Croche has explained eloquently. I permanently left probably three months ago now, I liked your contributions on TC. Welcome Violadude! :)
Formerly known as Xenakiboy
Thank you. I'll try to be as good on here.
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 25, 2016, 10:52:37 PM
Yes, it's his :P
I figured, considering the "boy" part of your former name...but ya never know for sure.
M. Croche is PetrB but that's probably obvious enough from his avatar.