It seems that the collection entitled "Great conductors of the 20th century" is going out of print, yet i found a few recordings of them at a big store in my little country (i am here for vacations) luckily enough i bought the Manfred symphony by Markevitch and Mahler 6 by Mitropoulos, both have been cited in the forum !
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i do remember seeing also the Kubelik featuring Schubert no.3, Mravinsky Bruckner`s 7th, and Talich Dvorak's 9th New World, and other conductors i don't remember ??? . I'd like to ask about Talich's Dvorak 9th, since i am still looking for a perfect new world, how is it compared to Kubelik's, Ancerl's, abbado's?
what names of that collection is a must have?
It's a fine series, though there is some duplication among other issues. I missed the Kubelik set and am still hunting for it. Anyone know where it is available?
My favorites in this series, apart from the Markevitch, include Schuricht (who has hands down my favorite Bruckner 8th - incredible performance with the VPO) and Mravinsky. The Boult set is surprisingly good with a fiery and very compelling Frank Symphony in D. I found the Argenta and Reiner issues disappointing. Not particularly good choices of repertoire or performances.
Quote from: O Mensch on June 15, 2007, 02:08:57 PM
It's a fine series, though there is some duplication among other issues. I missed the Kubelik set and am still hunting for it. Anyone know where it is available?
Caiman seems to offer it -and for $32, probably a mispricing but worth a try perhaps?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000239AMY/ref=dp_olp_2/102-3015269-3508938
Quote from: orbital on June 15, 2007, 02:35:13 PM
Caiman seems to offer it -and for $32, probably a mispricing but worth a try perhaps?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000239AMY/ref=dp_olp_2/102-3015269-3508938
Gross mispricing. These sets used to go for $10.90 new.
Then the other two are just baiting ;D
Abbados Dvorak 9th is available on several different recordings, made from different performances. The one on DVD from the "Concert from Palermo" is one of the finest and best played interpretations I've ever heard. Rivaled ONLY by the Toscanini/NBC on RCA. And the sound on that one isn't nearly as good.
Quote from: Iago on June 15, 2007, 02:59:27 PM
Abbadis Dvorak 9th is available onb several different recordings, made from different performances. The one on DVD from the "Concert from Palermo" is one of the finest and best played interpretations I've ever heard. ...
i totally agree, i heared it on that DVD once and i remember a very good impression of it, but everyone talks about Kubelik and Ancerl so i thought to investigate !
Quote from: orbital on June 15, 2007, 02:51:52 PM
Then the other two are just baiting ;D
Try Amazon UK.
Berkshire still carries most of these (but no Kubelik, I'm afraid).
QuoteMahler, Symphony #6 {w.Cologne Radio Orchestra}. Debussy, La Mer. Berlioz, 'Romeo and Juliet' Symphonic Excpts. Strauss, Dance of the Seven Veils {w.NY Philharmonic}. (All cond. Mitropoulos)
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Genre: Symphonies
Berlioz, Rob Roy Overture. Schumann, Symphony #4. Sibelius, 'The Tempest' Prelude. Schubert, Symphony #4. Walton, Portsmouth Point Overture. Tchaikovsky, Theme & Variations from Orchestral Suite #3 {all w.London Philharmonic. Rec. 1956-74}. Franck, Symphony in d {w.London Orchestra Society. Rec. 1959}. Wolf, Italian Serenade. Beethoven, Coriolan Overture {w.Philharmonia Orchestra. Rec. 1957 & 1970}. (All cond. Sir Adrian Boult)
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Genre: Symphonies
Glinka, 'A Life for the Tsar'- Overture and Three Dances. Debussy, La Mer {w.Lamoureux Orchestra}. Tchaikovsky, Manfred Symphony {w.London Symphony Orch.}. Verdi, La Forza del Destino Overture {w.Philharmonia Orch.}. Ravel, Daphnis et Chloe Suite #2 {w.N.German Radio Orch. & Chorus}. Chabrier, Espana {w.Spanish Radio Orch.}. Strauss, Till Eulenspiegel {w.French Radio Orch.}. (All cond. Igor Markevitch. Rec. 1956-67)
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Genre: Orchestral
Moussorgsky, 'Boris Godunov'- Prologue {w.Boris Christoff, John Lanigan & Sofia National Opera Chorus}. Berlioz, Symphonie Fantastique. Debussy, Images for Orchestra {all w.Paris Conservatory Orch.}. Bizet, Symphony in C {w.French Radio Orch.}. Ravel, La Valse {w.Philharmonia Orch.}. Schumann, Manfred Overture {w.Berlin Philharmonic}. Wagner, 'Lohengrin'- Act 3 Prelude {w.Paris Opera Orch.}. (All cond. Andre Cluytens cond. Rec. 1953-64)
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Genre: Symphonies
Prokofiev, Symphony #7. Dvorak, Symphony #9. Borodin, Symphony #2. Glinka, Russlan and Ludmilla Overture. Rimsky-Korsakov, Cortege and Dance of the Tumblers from 'The Snow Maiden'. Tchaikovsky, 'Nutcracker' Excpts. Suppe, 'Poet and Peasant' Overture {w.Philharmonia Orch.}. Haydn, Symphony #92 {w.Royal Danish Orch.}. Nielsen, 'Maskarade' Overture {w.Danish State Radio Orch.}. (All cond. Nicolai Malko. Rec. 1947-56)
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Genre: Symphonies
Mozart, Symphonies 25 & 38 {rec. 1950}. Beethoven, Symphony #2 {rec. 1958} {all w.Berlin Radio Orch.}. Janacek, Sinfonietta. Strauss, Till Eulenspiegel {w.Cologne Radio Orch. Rec. 1956}. Stravinsky, Pulcinella Suite {w.Bavarian Radio Orch. Rec. 1957}. Weill, 'Kleine Dreigroschenmusik' Excpts. {w.Berlin State Opera Orch. Rec. 1931}. (All cond. Otto Klemperer)
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Genre: Orchestral
Brahms, Symphony #1. Reznicek, Donna Diana Overture. Orff, Entrata. Beethoven, Coriolan Overture {w.Vienna State Opera Orch.}; Symphony #8. Stravinsky, Firebird Suite {w.Royal Philharmonic}. Schoenberg, Suite for String Orchestra {w.Berlin Radio Orch.}. Haydn, Symphony #100 {w.Vienna Symphony}. (All cond. Hermann Scherchen. Rec. 1952-60)
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Mozart, Don Giovanni Overture. Bruckner, Symphony #7. Haydn, Symphony #88. Tchaikovsky, Francesca da Rimini. Glazunov, Symphony #5. (Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra/ Mravinsky)
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Brahms, Symphony #2. Strauss, Don Juan [live performances]. Thomas, Mignon Overture. Schubert, Symphony #6. Nicolai, Merry Wives of Windsor Overture. Rimsky-Korsakov, Scheherazade. Elgar, Cockaigne Overture. (Concertgebouw Orchestra & London Philharmonic/ Van Beinum. Total time: 154'37')
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Genre: Symphonies
Beethoven, Creatures of Prometheus Overture {w.Vienna Philharmonic}; Symphony #2. Liszt, Les Preludes; Mephisto Waltz #1 {w.London Symphony Orch.}. Berlioz, 'Les Troyens' March. Wagner, Rienzi Overture {w.Paris Conservatory Orch.}; Siegfried Idyll. Weber, Invitation to the Dance. Brahms, Symphony #3. Mozart, Symphony #39 {w.London Philharmonic}. (All cond. Felix Weingartner. Rec. 1936-40)
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Glazunov, Symphony #6. Mendelssohn, Overture and Scherzo from 'A Midsummer Night's Dream'. Tchaikovsky, 1812 Overture. Liszt, Orpheus; Heroide Funebre; Mazeppa; Festklange; Prometheus. (Moscow Radio Orch./ Golovanov. Rec. 1948-53)
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Genre: Orchestral
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That reminds me: the Cluytens is also a must have. One of the finest Symphonies fantastiques ever recorded by a French orchestra. It's live, too!
Quote from: O Mensch on June 15, 2007, 02:08:57 PM
It's a fine series, though there is some duplication among other issues. I missed the Kubelik set and am still hunting for it. Anyone know where it is available?
hmv japan (http://www.hmv.co.jp/search/index.asp?target=CLASSIC&genre=700&adv=1&keyword=kubelik+great+conductors) and only a couple of bucks above the original price :).
Here's a survey of the series:
http://www.classicalnotes.net/columns/emiconductors.html
Quote from: O Mensch on June 15, 2007, 04:24:57 PM
That reminds me: the Cluytens is also a must have. One of the finest Symphonies fantastiques ever recorded by a French orchestra. It's live, too!
Is it the same as this one:
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1866292
which I assume is the same as this one (http://www.amazon.com/Berlioz-Symphony-Fantastique-Juliet-Damnation/dp/B000000UVQ/ref=sr_1_1/002-3692521-0962468?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181955935&sr=1-1).
Quote from: Daverz on June 15, 2007, 05:04:48 PM
Is it the same as this one:
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1866292
which I assume is the same as this one (http://www.amazon.com/Berlioz-Symphony-Fantastique-Juliet-Damnation/dp/B000000UVQ/ref=sr_1_1/002-3692521-0962468?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181955935&sr=1-1).
Those two are indeed identical, but they are not what's in the Great Conductors set. Those two EMI issues are of a studio recording with the Philharmonia Orchestra from 1958. There are three Cluytens fantastiques (see here for full discography (http://patachonf.free.fr/musique/berlioz/fantastique.php?p=c#c)). One from 1955 Orchestre National de la Radiodiffusion Francaise and then the 1958 Philharmonia, neither of which I have actually heard, but which by all accounts are inferior to the Great Conductors version. The one on the Great Conductors set is a live performance with the Conservatoire Orchestra on tour 1964 in Tokyo. To my knowledge this recording was only ever available on the Great Conductors series. The electricity is palpable and the orchestra gives it all. It's really a terriffic performance. IMHO, the best recorded performance of this piece by a French orchestra.
Quote from: O Mensch on June 15, 2007, 08:20:55 PM
Those two are indeed identical, but they are not what's in the Great Conductors set. Those two EMI issues are of a studio recording with the Philharmonia Orchestra from 1958. There are three Cluytens fantastiques (see here for full discography (http://patachonf.free.fr/musique/berlioz/fantastique.php?p=c#c)). One from 1955 Orchestre National de la Radiodiffusion Francaise and then the 1958 Philharmonia, neither of which I have actually heard, but which by all accounts are inferior to the Great Conductors version. The one on the Great Conductors set is a live performance with the Conservatoire Orchestra on tour 1964 in Tokyo. To my knowledge this recording was only ever available on the Great Conductors series. The electricity is palpable and the orchestra gives it all. It's really a terriffic performance. IMHO, the best recorded performance of this piece by a French orchestra.
Thanks! I guess this (http://www.hmv.co.jp/search/index.asp?target=CLASSIC&genre=700&adv=1&keyword=cluytens+tokyo) is it then. The whole program is:
Berlioz Symphonie fantastique
Musorgskuy(arr:Ravel) Tableaux d'une exposition - Il vecchino castello
Bizet L'Arlesienne - Farandole
Quote from: Daverz on June 15, 2007, 05:01:41 PM
Here's a survey of the series:
http://www.classicalnotes.net/columns/emiconductors.html
That reminds me: the Kempe set is also outstanding, with a very fine Munich Bruckner 4.
Has anybody here heard the Ancerl? I'm especially interested in the Concertgebouw Dvorak 8, the Martinu 5 and the pieces by some of the more obscure Czech composers.
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This would be a good "Pick 5" poll. :)
I think the one on Kempe has a rare Bruckner's 4th.
I've enjoyed some of this series a great deal, and it introduced me to the likes of Malko and Golovanov. However, I too felt that some of the bigger "names" were rather poorly represented in repertoire and was especially miffed that the series petered out before even giving Mengelberg a whisper of a mention. Reminiscent of great pianists left out of the Great Pianists series...
::)
Dirk
Quote from: rubio on January 30, 2008, 08:52:51 AM
Has anybody here heard the Ancerl? I'm especially interested in the Concertgebouw Dvorak 8, the Martinu 5 and the pieces by some of the more obscure Czech composers.
Yes, and this disappointment was soon culled. The known pieces are easily bested by what is readily available, and a first listen to the obscure quickly told me why they were so.
You are missing nothing, unless an Ancerl completist.
Quote from: BorisG on January 30, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
Yes, and this disappointment was soon culled. The known pieces are easily bested by what is readily available, and a first listen to the obscure quickly told me why they were so.
Same verdict applies to the Reiner issue.
Just listened to the Abendroth Leipzig Orchestra recording of Bruckner's Fourth, First movement. Intense, dramatic, powerful, captivating, overwhelming. Tried to ignore it, but it kept shouting back at me to listen and keep listening.
Quote from: BorisG on January 30, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
Yes, and this disappointment was soon culled. The known pieces are easily bested by what is readily available, and a first listen to the obscure quickly told me why they were so.
You are missing nothing, unless an Ancerl completist.
Huh, what? The set is worth it just for the Dvorak 8th with the Concertgebeouw. This was also released on Tahra, I believe. Except for a couple snippets, the other stuff in the set is available on Supraphon. But get this for that Dvorak 8. EDIT: And there's also pretty good live Martinu 5th from Toronto on this set.
Quote from: Daverz on June 15, 2007, 05:01:41 PM
Here's a survey of the series:
http://www.classicalnotes.net/columns/emiconductors.html
Written and edited by Peter Gutmann. Great stuff. Thank you, Mr. Gutmann.
Quote from: dirkronk on January 30, 2008, 12:51:45 PM
I've enjoyed some of this series a great deal, and it introduced me to the likes of Malko and Golovanov. However, I too felt that some of the bigger "names" were rather poorly represented in repertoire and was especially miffed that the series petered out before even giving Mengelberg a whisper of a mention. Reminiscent of great pianists left out of the Great Pianists series...
No Mengelberg? What's up with that? Five or six years ago it was almost impossible to find any Mengelberg recordings. Anywhere. I would like to know more about Mengelberg's relationship with the Nazis during WWII. Any diaries lying about? To my knowledge, Karajan joined Hitler Youth at least once, possibly twice.
::)
Dirk
I think the text of Mengelberg's Matthew Passion recording was doctored to make it fit Nazi ideas. I've never bothered to find out the details
I like him a lot -- the Matthew Passion, the Eroica and Schubert 9 especially
Herbie was born in 1908 and would have been a bit too old for the Hitler Jugend. He did apparently join the NASDAP twice. EDIT: it appears he only joined once, at least according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_von_Karajan#Nazi_Party_membership).
Quote from: Daverz on January 02, 2011, 01:12:06 PM
Herbie was born in 1908 and would have been a bit too old for the Hitler Jugend. He did apparently join the NASDAP twice. EDIT: it appears he only joined once, at least according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_von_Karajan#Nazi_Party_membership).
The NAZI youth organization began in 1922. Von Karajan was fourteen years old. A lonely teenager. I was wearing a Ban the Bomb button and listening to Tom Lehrer's 'So long mom, I've off to drop the bomb' at the age of fourteen. Different strokes for different folks. Who knows how deep his convictions really were? Many people collaborated just to afford themselves some form of protection, or immunity. Furtwangler got the worse treatment of all the German conductors. The self-appointed American justice tribunal hounded him so much that it seriously affected his mental and physical health and sent him to an early grave.
Quote from: Mensch on June 15, 2007, 02:08:57 PM
It's a fine series, though there is some duplication among other issues. I missed the Kubelik set and am still hunting for it. Anyone know where it is available?
My favorites in this series, apart from the Markevitch, include Schuricht (who has hands down my favorite Bruckner 8th - incredible performance with the VPO) and Mravinsky. The Boult set is surprisingly good with a fiery and very compelling Frank Symphony in D. I found the Argenta and Reiner issues disappointing. Not particularly good choices of repertoire or performances.
Did you ever find the Kubelik Dvorak 9th?
If not, you can find it here:
http://www.europarchive.org/results.php?query=Dvorak&additional=&x=0&y=0
I very much want the Bohm set from that series, which includes lives performances of Bruckner 7 and Schubert 9, both supposedly awesome! Does BRO have it, too? I tried searching it but don't think I found it.
Quote from: RJR on January 25, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
Did you ever find the Kubelik Dvorak 9th?
If not, you can find it here:
http://www.europarchive.org/results.php?query=Dvorak&additional=&x=0&y=0
"Your search did not match any items in the Archive. Try different keywords or a more general search."
???
Quote from: Mensch on January 26, 2011, 07:08:20 AM
"Your search did not match any items in the Archive. Try different keywords or a more general search."
???
Scroll down a bit on the page that RJR linked to, it's there.
Quote from: Opus106 on January 26, 2011, 07:14:34 AM
Scroll down a bit on the page that RJR linked to, it's there.
Nope.
This may have to do with these silly copyright restrictions that prevent is folks stateside from hearing this stuff.
Quote from: Mensch on January 26, 2011, 07:32:01 AM
Nope.
This may have to do with these silly copyright restrictions that prevent is folks stateside from hearing this stuff.
I see nothing about restrictions in their T&C, and considering that they want to make the archives as universally accessible as possible, I doubt whether that is the reason. Anyway, here's the link to the WAV file (http://www.europarchive.org/download.php?nwid=lp-00866_BeG&file=lp-00866_BeG-record_1_side_B.wav)*. Kubelik and your home band. :)
*Getting a time-out message at the time of this post.
Quote from: Opus106 on January 26, 2011, 07:46:31 AM
I see nothing about restrictions in their T&C, and considering that they want to make the archives as universally accessible as possible, I doubt whether that is the reason. Anyway, here's the link to the WAV file (http://www.europarchive.org/download.php?nwid=lp-00866_BeG&file=lp-00866_BeG-record_1_side_B.wav)*. Kubelik and your home band. :)
If that's the Mercury recording, I have that.
Quote from: Mensch on January 26, 2011, 08:02:48 AM
If that's the Mercury recording, I have that.
I think I can just about make out "Mercury Classics" in the top right of the tiny image they've provided.
Quote from: Mensch on January 26, 2011, 07:08:20 AM
"Your search did not match any items in the Archive. Try different keywords or a more general search."
???
To Mensch,
I just clicked on the address link for The European Archive and I got through with no problem. Oh, Canada! Our home and native land...
Quote from: Gustav on January 30, 2008, 09:34:21 AM
I think the one on Kempe has a rare Bruckner's 4th.
It sure does.
Quote from: ajlee on January 25, 2011, 04:11:48 PM
I very much want the Bohm set from that series, which includes lives performances of Bruckner 7 and Schubert 9, both supposedly awesome! Does BRO have it, too? I tried searching it but don't think I found it.
I'm not sure which Bruckner 7 is on the Böhm set, but if you're looking for a stupendous Bruckner 7 with Böhm, you should get this, which is much more easily available.
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