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Title: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 10:33:37 AM
I'll be counting. . . .
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 10:33:37 AM
I'll be counting. . . .

Let's see..."top 5 works in 13 movements"...oh wait, different list. 

;D

--Bruce
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on June 20, 2007, 10:48:22 AM
1) Mahler 2nd
2) Mahler 5th
3) Mahler 7th
4) Schumann 3rd
5) Shostakovich 13th
6) Shostakovich 9th
7) Shostakovich 8th
8) Shostakovich 3rd Quartet
9) Shostakovich 8th Quartet
10) Shostakovich 9th Quartet
11) Mahler Kindertotenlieder
12) Mahler Rueckert Lieder
13) Bartok String Quartet #4
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
At last, somebody can count! Mine:

1) Beethoven, Pastorale Symphony
2) Beethoven, Missa Solemnis
3) Beethoven, Op. 132 quartet
4) Schumann, Rhenish Symphony
5) Berio, Sinfonia (revised version, of course)
6) Boulez, Pli selon pli
7-9) Mahler, Symphonies 2, 5, 7
10) Berlioz, Symphonie Fantastique
11) Brahms, Piano Sonata 3
12) Bartok, Quartet 5
13) Bartok, Concerto for Orchestra

See? 13 works, 5 movements each. No cheating.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: marvinbrown on June 20, 2007, 11:26:42 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 10:33:37 AM
I'll be counting. . . .

 Larry I am surprised you started this thread...knowing how you feel about lists......or did I misunderstand?...hey is this one of those trick questions by the way??


  marvin
 
 
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: PerfectWagnerite on June 20, 2007, 11:28:44 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
At last, somebody can count! Mine:

1) Beethoven, Pastorale Symphony
2) Beethoven, Missa Solemnis
3) Beethoven, Op. 132 quartet
4) Schumann, Rhenish Symphony
5) Berio, Sinfonia (revised version, of course)
6) Boulez, Pli selon pli
7-9) Mahler, Symphonies 2, 5, 7
10) Berlioz, Symphonie Fantastique
11) Brahms, Piano Sonata 3
12) Bartok, Quartet 5
13) Bartok, Concerto for Orchestra

See? 13 works, 5 movements each. No cheating.

Your list is more correct than mine. I cheated a little with the two Mahler Song Cycles.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Todd on June 20, 2007, 11:29:13 AM
I can't count to 13, so I can't participate.   :'(
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 11:31:48 AM
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on June 20, 2007, 11:28:44 AM
Your list is more correct than mine. I cheated a little with the two Mahler Song Cycles.

I accept the Mahler cycles. They are works in 5 movements. You pass.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: karlhenning on June 20, 2007, 11:34:19 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
See? 13 works, 5 movements each. No cheating.

Beauty & symmetry!
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 11:35:09 AM
Quote from: Todd on June 20, 2007, 11:29:13 AM
I can't count to 13, so I can't participate.   :'(

Then you will have to wait for a poll that does not reach double digits.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Scriptavolant on June 20, 2007, 11:35:37 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
At last, somebody can count! Mine:

1) Beethoven, Pastorale Symphony
2) Beethoven, Missa Solemnis
3) Beethoven, Op. 132 quartet
4) Schumann, Rhenish Symphony
5) Berio, Sinfonia (revised version, of course)
6) Boulez, Pli selon pli
7-9) Mahler, Symphonies 2, 5, 7
10) Berlioz, Symphonie Fantastique
11) Brahms, Piano Sonata 3
12) Bartok, Quartet 5
13) Bartok, Concerto for Orchestra

See? 13 works, 5 movements each. No cheating.

Yes, but it looks like those games in which you must guess the intruder in a serie. I vote for number 4.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 11:52:10 AM
Mahler: Symphony No. 2
Mahler: Symphony No. 5
Mahler: Symphony No. 7
Berio: Sinfonia
Hindemith: Five Pieces for Strings
Schoenberg: Five Pieces for Orchestra
Dvořák: Serenade for Strings
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 8
Suk: A Summer's Tale
Webern: Five Pieces for Orchestra
Bartók: Concerto for Orchestra
Ligeti: Piano Concerto
Ligeti: String Quartet No. 2

--Bruce
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
Let's see if we can do this.

Not necessarily in exact order of preference, but they are my top 13 in 5.

1. Mahler 2
2. Mahler 7
3. Mahler 5
4. Ligeti, Violin Concerto
5. Ligeti, Piano Concerto
6. Ligeti, String quartet no. 2
7. Boulez, Pli selon pli
8. Bach, Violin partita no. 2
9. Bartók, String quartet no. 4
10. Bartók, String quartet no. 5
11. Handel, Music for the Royal Fireworks
12. Beethoven, 6th
13. Bach, "Ich habe genug"

Quote from: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 11:52:10 AM
Mahler: Symphony No. 2
Mahler: Symphony No. 5
Mahler: Symphony No. 7
Berio: Sinfonia
Hindemith: Five Pieces for Strings
Schoenberg: Five Pieces for Orchestra
Dvořák: Serenade for Strings
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 8
Suk: A Summer's Tale
Webern: Five Pieces for Orchestra
Bartók: Concerto for Orchestra
Ligeti: Piano Concerto
Ligeti: String Quartet No. 2

--Bruce

Consarn it! Beat me to the Ligeti will you?  ;)
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: karlhenning on June 20, 2007, 12:00:11 PM
You're still a winner in our book, Patrick!
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 12:03:33 PM
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
Consarn it! Beat me to the Ligeti will you?  ;)

*[runs off with some sort of tattered trophy]*

;D

--Bruce
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 20, 2007, 12:00:11 PM
You're still a winner in our book, Patrick!

Thanks, Karl. As long as I'm a winner somewhere.  ;D

Quote from: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 12:03:33 PM
*[runs off with some sort of tattered trophy]*

;D

--Bruce

Ah! The ignominy of defeat! Just take thine harpoon and put it through my heart, why don't you?  ;)
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 12:06:15 PM
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 12:05:05 PM
Ah! The ignominy of defeat! Just take thine harpoon and put it through my heart, why don't you?  ;)

Never, never...anyone whose list has those Ligeti pieces on it is a winner in my book... ;D

--Bruce
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 12:06:15 PM
Never, never...anyone whose list has those Ligeti pieces on it is a winner in my book... ;D

--Bruce

I thought about Three Pieces for Two Pianos or the Six Bagatelles for Wind Quartet, but decided that a gentleman is never that obvious about his skulduggery.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 12:12:15 PM
I thought about Three Pieces for Two Pianos or the Six Bagatelles for Wind Quartet, but decided that a gentleman is never that obvious about his skulduggery.

;D

--Bruce
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: orbital on June 20, 2007, 12:23:14 PM
That was hard  :-[ I could think of these titles that I enjoy, but I am not sure if all are in 5 movements

Beethoven op 132
Bach Toccata in D
DEbussy Images Pour L'Orchestre
Grieg - From Holberg's Time
Schubert - Trout Quintet
Liszt - Dante Sonata
Schumann - Faschingsschwank
Scriabin op15 preludes
Scriabin op16 preludes
Ravel - Miroirs
Shostakovich Violin concerto no1
Shostakovich SQ #8

and as a filler :D
Glass - Metamorphosis
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Maciek on June 20, 2007, 12:38:38 PM
Well, Larry, I have to admit it - this is a real fun thread! :D 8) Thank you for starting it.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: orbital on June 20, 2007, 12:23:14 PM
That was hard  :-[ I could think of these titles that I enjoy, but I am not sure if all are in 5 movements

Beethoven op 132
Bach Toccata in D
DEbussy Images Pour L'Orchestre
Grieg - From Holberg's Time
Schubert - Trout Quintet
Liszt - Dante Sonata
Schumann - Faschingsschwank
Scriabin op15 preludes
Scriabin op16 preludes
Ravel - Miroirs
Shostakovich Violin concerto no1
Shostakovich SQ #8

and as a filler :D
Glass - Metamorphosis

Well that's an interesting list, too.  This was actually a much harder little exercise than I thought it would be...

--Bruce
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 20, 2007, 12:55:19 PM
Okay, I'll play Larry's fool's game  ;D  13/5, all favorites of mine:

Corelli Concerto Grosso G minor Op.6 #6

George Lloyd Symphony #5 B flat

George Lloyd Symphony #11

Mahler Symphony #1 with Blumine

Mahler Symphony #10

Schubert Trout Quintet

Fauré Pelléas et Mélisande op.80

Warlock The Curlew

Nielsen Snefrid, Suite for Orchestra

Hindemith String Quartet #4 op.22

Janáček Sinfonietta

Suk Asrael Symphony op.27

Handel Concerto Grosso B minor op.6 #12


Sarge
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: BachQ on June 20, 2007, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 12:41:50 PM
This was actually a much harder little exercise than I thought it would be...

Too much work for me ........ I delegate to Gurn .........
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Sergeant Rock on June 20, 2007, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: D Minor on June 20, 2007, 01:03:54 PM
Too much work for me ........

I had a half hour to kill. It was either watch an episode of Married with Children...or make the list. I chose the higher road. I'm feeling righteous.

Sarge
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 01:38:57 PM
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
11. Handel, Music for the Royal Fireworks 

Sure about that one?
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: orbital on June 20, 2007, 12:23:14 PM
That was hard  :-[ I could think of these titles that I enjoy, but I am not sure if all are in 5 movements

Beethoven op 132
Bach Toccata in D
DEbussy Images Pour L'Orchestre
Grieg - From Holberg's Time
Schubert - Trout Quintet
Liszt - Dante Sonata
Schumann - Faschingsschwank
Scriabin op15 preludes
Scriabin op16 preludes
Ravel - Miroirs
Shostakovich Violin concerto no1
Shostakovich SQ #8

and as a filler :D
Glass - Metamorphosis

"DEbussy Images Pour L'Orchestre"
Sure about that one?
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: orbital on June 20, 2007, 01:47:42 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 01:40:15 PM
"DEbussy Images Pour L'Orchestre"
Sure about that one?
Three pieces, but Iberia is made up of three movements.
So it doesn't count?  :'(
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 01:52:40 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 01:38:57 PM
Sure about that one?

As a matter of fact, yes. Yes, I am.

The minuets are generally considered one movement, especially in recordings. The Bärenreiter editors list them separately, but they seem to be off in left field in doing so.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Szykneij on June 20, 2007, 02:01:59 PM
Quote from: bhodges on June 20, 2007, 12:03:33 PM
*[runs off with some sort of tattered trophy]*

The Triskaidekaphobia Cup
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: quintett op.57 on June 20, 2007, 02:21:29 PM
Shostakovich   : piano quintet
Shostakovich   : String quartet 8
Shostakovich   : String quartet 3
Beethoven       : Sy 6
Berlioz            : Symphonie Fantastique
Elgar              : Sea pictures
Ives               : Sy 2
Handel            : Concerti grossi op.6 n°1 - 3 - 6 - 7 - 12
Handel            : Music for the Royal Fireworks
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: not edward on June 20, 2007, 02:21:54 PM
How about "Top 6 works by composers with a Z in their surname..."
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Maciek on June 20, 2007, 02:24:19 PM
You start the thread - I'm already building my list. 8)
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: springrite on June 20, 2007, 02:35:56 PM
Larry is sure having a blast somewhere in the corner.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 02:41:26 PM
Quote from: orbital on June 20, 2007, 01:47:42 PM
Three pieces, but Iberia is made up of three movements.
So it doesn't count?  :'(

I'll accept it.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 01:52:40 PM
As a matter of fact, yes. Yes, I am.

The minuets are generally considered one movement, especially in recordings. The Bärenreiter editors list them separately, but they seem to be off in left field in doing so.

Yes, the minuets are the problem. The Chrysander edition also considers them separate movements, for a total of six. Being the wonderfully nice guy that I am, I'll give you credit, but I would have preferred a less debatable example.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 02:44:35 PM
Quote from: springrite on June 20, 2007, 02:35:56 PM
Larry is sure having a blast somewhere in the corner.

I certainly am not. My desk is positioned in the center of my study, with bookshelves at the left and right corners.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: springrite on June 20, 2007, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 02:44:35 PM
I certainly am not. My desk is positioned in the center of my study, with bookshelves at the left and right corners.

OK, so I had a different vision of your environs.

Will the next list be "You favorite work between 45 and 55 bars?" It'd be even more fun watching people count that one!  ;D
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: quintett op.57 on June 20, 2007, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: edward on June 20, 2007, 02:21:54 PM
How about "Top 6 works by composers with a Z in their surname..."
Will be really easier  ;)
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: springrite on June 20, 2007, 02:46:11 PM
OK, so I had a different vision of your environs.

Will the next list be "You favorite work between 45 and 55 bars?" It'd be even more fun watching people count that one!  ;D

That's a very good idea.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: PSmith08 on June 20, 2007, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 20, 2007, 02:43:14 PM
Yes, the minuets are the problem. The Chrysander edition also considers them separate movements, for a total of six. Being the wonderfully nice guy that I am, I'll give you credit, but I would have preferred a less debatable example.

But it's that give-and-take that's such a special thing here.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 20, 2007, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: D Minor on June 20, 2007, 01:03:54 PM
I delegate to Gurn .........

OK, I'll carry the ball for our team, d...:

1> Beethoven - Quartet in a - Op 132

2> Beethoven - Symphony in F - Op 68

3> Beethoven - 5 Pieces for Organ - WoO 33

4> Dvorak - 5 Bagatelles for Strings - Op 47

5> Dvorak - Suite in A "American" - Op 98b

6> Mozart - Divertimento in D - K 205

7> Schubert - Quintet in A for Piano & Strings - D 667

8> Spohr - Potpourri for Strings in Bb - Op 22     :P

9> Telemann - Gulliver Suite for 2 Violins

10> Anton Stadler - 5 Trios for 3 Bassett Horns

11> Antonio Soler - Quintet in G (#3) for Harpsichord & Strings

12> JS Bach - Orchestral Suite in D (#3) - BWV 1068

13> Brahms - Piano sonata in f - Op 5

Nice variety there, Larry, although I was sorry to have to repeat a few of the others   :-[  Couldn't be helped, they ARE my favorites. :)

8)
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: springrite on June 20, 2007, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 20, 2007, 04:46:18 PM

4> Dvorak - 5 Bagatelles for Strings - Op 47

I consider this (and Five Pieces for ..., etc.) cheating!  $:)
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: orbital on June 20, 2007, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 20, 2007, 04:46:18 PM

12> JS Bach - Orchestral Suite in D (#3) - BWV 1068

Never thought a suite to be 5 movements long. I forgot about this one. Scratch Glass, I'll go with this  8)
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Gurn Blanston on June 20, 2007, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: springrite on June 20, 2007, 04:48:44 PM
I consider this (and Five Pieces for ..., etc.) cheating!  $:)

Larry let some others in, which I took note of, so there's a precedent. Hey, those Bagatelles are legit man!  I love that work  >:( 
:)

8)
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Bonehelm on June 20, 2007, 05:24:00 PM
Does copy&paste count as cheating? If not, I'll copy PerfectWagnerite's list.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: springrite on June 20, 2007, 05:25:11 PM
Quote from: Bonehelm on June 20, 2007, 05:24:00 PM
Does copy&paste count as cheating? If not, I'll copy PerfectWagnerite's list.

It does count as cheating. You'd have to re-type it.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Lilas Pastia on June 20, 2007, 06:39:43 PM
Quote from: Szykniej on June 20, 2007, 02:01:59 PM
The Triskaidekaphobia Cup

I was wondering when this would be brought up...
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: val on June 20, 2007, 11:43:18 PM
BEETHOVEN: String Quartet opus 132; 6th Symphony

BRAHMS: 3rd Sonata opus 5

BARTOK: Concerto for orchestra; 4th and 5th Quartet

WEBERN: Five movements opus 5

BERLIOZ: Symphonie Fantastique

MOZART: Serenade K 375

SCHUMANN: 3rd Symphony

MAHLER: 7th Symphony

SHOSTAKOVITCH: 8th Symphony

DUTILLEUX: Cello Concerto "Tout un monde lointain"



Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 21, 2007, 02:49:56 AM
Quote from: val on June 20, 2007, 11:43:18 PM
BEETHOVEN: String Quartet opus 132; 6th Symphony

BRAHMS: 3rd Sonata opus 5

BARTOK: Concerto for orchestra; 4th and 5th Quartet

WEBERN: Five movements opus 5

BERLIOZ: Symphonie Fantastique

MOZART: Serenade K 375

SCHUMANN: 3rd Symphony

MAHLER: 7th Symphony

SHOSTAKOVITCH: 8th Symphony

DUTILLEUX: Cello Concerto "Tout un monde lointain"





Three more needed.
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Symphonien on June 21, 2007, 03:20:21 AM
Quote from: Larry Rinkel on June 21, 2007, 02:49:56 AM
Three more needed.

Don't know about you, but I count 13... ::)

As for my list -

Beethoven 6
Berio Sinfonia
Debussy Images Pour Orchestre
Ligeti Piano Concerto
Ligeti Violin Concerto
Mahler 2
Mahler 5
Mahler 7
Ravel Miroirs
Schnittke 8
Schnittke Piano Quintet
Schoenberg Five Pieces for Orchestra
Webern Five Pieces for Orchestra
Title: Re: Your top 13 works in 5 movements
Post by: Larry Rinkel on June 21, 2007, 04:52:42 AM
Quote from: Symphonien on June 21, 2007, 03:20:21 AM
Don't know about you, but I count 13... ::)

Quite right; I saw 10 lines and took that for 10 works. Full credit to Val!