Hi everybody, this is Andy DiGelsomina, composer of the heavy metal opera project, Lyraka. I was a member hear for a couple of years, but had to leave due to some personal problems, including a family tragedy.
I am still (after three and a half years) very much a Wagnerian, many of the composers I listen to have some tie, direct or indirect, to Wagner's works: Mahler, Richard Strauss, Arnold Schoenberg, Anton Brucker. I am just getting into Berg ("Lulu") and Bartok's "Bluebeard". I am also an admirer of Aaron Copland, Danny Elfman, Jerry Goldsmith, and John Williams, and I like several of Karl Henning's pieces. There was a board member here named Saul who had a couple of very good pieces as well, in my opinion.
As many here might recall, I am a huge enthusiast of Beethoven's late works, particularly the string quartets but I am just now REALLY getting into the Late Piano Sonatas, whereas before (perhaps because of my Wagner fixation) piano works didn't do a whole lot for me.
I am also a huge enthusiast of heavy metal music: Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, Deep Purple, Manowar, Black Sabbath, Ronnie James Dio, Graham Bonnet, Death, Deicide, Accept, Judas Priest. All kinds.
So, wonderful to be here, hope all are doing well.
I'm very glad you're back, Andy. It's been a long time. And glad you're getting into the late Beethoven piano sonatas... some of my most favoritest ;D music.
Hope you've spent the last couple years JAH-min'!!!
So awesome to have you back, Andy!
Missed you, buddy! :)
Quote from: Brian on September 06, 2010, 06:50:08 AM
I'm very glad you're back, Andy. It's been a long time. And glad you're getting into the late Beethoven piano sonatas... some of my most favoritest ;D music.
Hope you've spent the last couple years JAH-min'!!!
JA, mahn! It's always great to hear from the Amazing Brian!
Quote from: George on September 06, 2010, 06:51:00 AM
So awesome to have you back, Andy!
Missed you, buddy! :)
Awww :'(. Thanks,
George, you
know I was waitin' to hear from you especially. Have some questions about the Pollini LvB sonatas coming for ya.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 06:53:57 AM
Awww :'(. Thanks, George, you know I was waitin' to hear from you especially.
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Have some questions about the Pollini LvB sonatas coming for ya.
In the words of Pat Benatar - Fire away! 8)
Quote from: George on September 06, 2010, 07:01:42 AM
0:)
In the words of Pat Benatar - Fire away! 8)
(James Brown voice) HA! HIT mayy!
It's a slightly involved inquiry, so I'm putting in together.
Welcome back, Andy - hope all is well now and will be looking forward to your posts and comments - Dave :D
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Quote from: SonicMan on September 06, 2010, 07:09:40 AM
Welcome back, Andy - hope all is well now and will be looking forward to your posts and comments - Dave :D
Dave, I'm your slave ;D! Everything is going great, cd is out in February. We just started the final mixes:
http://www.bravewords.com/news/144663
http://www.bravewords.com/news/138622
Welcome back, Andy! I missed you a lot in the philosophical debates... :)
Quote from: MN Dave on September 06, 2010, 07:12:02 AM
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MNDave is still ruling the world.
But is it still the world he never made (HtD quote...you knew that).
Quote from: Florestan on September 06, 2010, 07:15:53 AM
Welcome back, Andy! I missed you a lot in the philosophical debates... :)
You all probably needed someone to be the comic relief.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 07:18:14 AM
You all probably needed someone to be the comic relief.
You sell yourself too cheaply, my friend. :P
Welcome back, Andy! Oddly, I was just thinking about you the other day. . . and here you are. :o
Quote from: MN Dave on September 06, 2010, 07:12:02 AM
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What is that gesture, some sort of primitive form of the shocker?
Quote from: Keemun on September 06, 2010, 07:20:55 AM
Welcome back, Andy! Oddly, I was just thinking about you the other day. . . and here you are. :o
Keemun, a fellow Metalhead, terrific to hear from you! Rock on!
Quote from: Scarpia on September 06, 2010, 07:28:08 AM
What is that gesture, some sort of primitive form of the shocker?
Fingering the Rainbow?
Shame on me.
Welcome back, Andy!! I'm really happy that you are back, dude.
Just recently got the Mozart string trios and duos, and that made me think of you, as I remember you recommending these works to me.
Great to have you back, it feels like old times! :)
I want that fuckin' opera CD when it comes out, man.
I was in such a haste to post a welcome back message, that I didn't read your opening post, Andy.
I'm sorry to hear about your family tragedy. :'( I hope all is going OK and all the best to you and your family.
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 06, 2010, 07:34:35 AM
Welcome back, Andy!! I'm really happy that you are back, dude.
Just recently got the Mozart string trios and duos, and that made me think of you, as I remember you recommending these works to me.
Great to have you back, it feels like old times! :)
RAY :)!
I kind of soured on Mozart a bit overall, but I remain in love with those duos and trios.
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 06, 2010, 07:40:06 AM
I was in such a haste to post a welcome back message, that I didn't read your opening post, Andy.
I'm sorry to hear about your family tragedy. :'( I hope all is going OK and all the best to you and your family.
It was a symbolic set of casualties, though still monumental for my life (I'll explain some other time). A letting go of toxic personalities, something George might be able to sympathise with.
Quote from: MN Dave on September 06, 2010, 07:35:12 AM
I want that fuckin' opera CD when it comes out, man.
5 more months, give or take. It's taken a long time to write. I spent a year and a half on the composition and orchestration alone. We had a peek at the Ken Kelly artwork for the cd, it's killer!
You're an imposter! The real Andy has blond hair.
Welcome back, really good to see you back and posting.
Mike
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 08:00:52 AM
We had a peek at the Ken Kelly artwork for the cd, it's killer!
:o
You don't mess around. 8)
Quote from: knight on September 06, 2010, 08:01:46 AM
You're an imposter! The real Andy has blond hair.
Welcome back, really good to see you back and posting.
Mike
Mike!
Yes, ha-ha, blond just looks too fake for a person with significant southern Mediterranean ancestry.
The grays are sprouting all over now of course :(.
Quote from: MN Dave on September 06, 2010, 08:05:26 AM
:o
You don't mess around. 8)
Since the tragic death of Frank Frazetta, we feel that Ken Kelly is easily one of the top fantasy artists in the world (I'm being modest, we think Ken RULES!).
Delighted at your return, Andy!
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 08:09:24 AM
Since the tragic death of Frank Frazetta, we feel that Ken Kelly is easily one of the top fantasy artists in the world (I'm being modest, we think Ken RULES!).
He's up there all right. I remember his Conan book covers from back in the day.
Check out John Jude Palencar sometime. Not the same thing, but cool nonetheless.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 06, 2010, 08:10:36 AM
Delighted at your return, Andy!
More delighted to hear from you, Karl! It's been pretty bad on my end recently, but the air is finally clearing. The Gould/Bach WTC A flat is helping.
Quote from: MN Dave on September 06, 2010, 08:12:45 AM
He's up there all right. I remember his Conan book covers from back in the day.
Check out John Jude Palencar sometime. Not the same thing, but cool nonetheless.
Whoa, this guy is GOOD! He reminds me the tiniest bit of that artist...can't remember his name, but Van Halen used his stuff for the artwork of "Fair Warning".
Okay, I'm going to check out this guy's art site right now.
A very welcome return Andy, I am glad you made it back into the safe arms of GMG ;D
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 07:18:14 AM
You all probably needed someone to be the comic relief.
No, while you were gone, Josquin filled that role quite well ;)
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 06, 2010, 08:17:09 AM
No, while you were gone, Josquin filled that role quite well ;)
Sarge
;)
Josquin definitely has one of the most interesting personalities on here. He's certainly got some brains!
BRAAAINS!!!
Yes, and I've seen the jars where he keeps them.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 08:15:05 AM
Whoa, this guy is GOOD! He reminds me the tiniest bit of that artist...can't remember his name, but Van Halen used his stuff for the artwork of "Fair Warning".
Sorry to continue off topic, but I just wanted to add that the artwork used on Fair Warning (probably my favorite rock album of all time, and cover, BTW), was by Canadian artist and writer, William Kurelek (1927-1977). He was born in Alberta, and raised in my hometown province, Manitoba. The artwork used is from Kurelek's piece called "The Maze". :)
Hey Ange! Welcome back!
Below: Andy on his return trip to GMG.
(http://superitch.com/images/2010/05/Frazetta_Conan_the_Conqueror.jpg)
Good to see you come back, man! 8)
I was wondering where you went...
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 06, 2010, 08:57:48 AM
Sorry to continue off topic, but I just wanted to add that the artwork used on Fair Warning (probably my favorite rock album of all time, and cover, BTW), was by Canadian artist and writer, William Kurelek (1927-1977). He was born in Alberta, and raised in my hometown province, Manitoba. The artwork used is from Kurelek's piece called "The Maze". :)
Fair Warning is my favorite VH, you might want to see this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A6HSIFJZXZLXO/ref=cm_pdp_rev_all?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview
Kurelek did a sequel to that painting, taking place I think in a more serene setting. Brilliant artist, I think he was mildly schizophrenic?
Quote from: Bogey on September 06, 2010, 09:05:44 AM
Hey Ange! Welcome back!
Below: Andy on his return trip to GMG.
(http://superitch.com/images/2010/05/Frazetta_Conan_the_Conqueror.jpg)
Bill, the HORSE looks evil! Great to hear from you!
Quote from: Greg on September 06, 2010, 09:23:04 AM
Good to see you come back, man! 8)
I was wondering where you went...
Hi Greg! Hope you are still playing...?
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 09:58:38 AM
Fair Warning is my favorite VH, you might want to see this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A6HSIFJZXZLXO/ref=cm_pdp_rev_all?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview
Kurelek did a sequel to that painting, taking place I think in a more serene setting. Brilliant artist, I think he was mildly schizophrenic?
Great review there, Andy! You summed up my feelings on this too. I remember when I first got into VH (around 1990/91). This was about the 5th CD I had purchased (never having heard the material on this and most other albums except from 1984, OU812 and VH I). I put that CD on my discman on the day I bought it, and was so blown away by it, I must have listened to that CD 10 times on the first day. Everything on that
Fair Warning album was so original (never before was VH heard like this, and never would we ever hear them like this again).
I no you specifically, and rightly so, praise Edward for his virtuosity and originality on this album. I agree, but it would be wrong to not praise one other member who deserves special mention on
Fair Warning, and that is bassist Michael Anthony. WOW!! The bass on
Fair Warning is unbelievable. And the bass is beyond describable on Sunday Afternoon in the Park. The only other VH album that is anywhere close to having outstanding bass sound (although still light years away from as good as
Fair Warning), is on For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
The first time I heard Sunday Afternoon in the Park, I was actually frightened by it!! :o
In 1991, when VH came to Winnipeg, I went to that live concert. Unfortunately, it played 90% Sammy Hagar VH, and only played songs from VH I and 1984 from the Roth era. ::) Michael Anthony and Alex Van Halen did play Sunday Afternoon in the Park at the concert, but it was very poorly performed.
Wonderful to have you back, Andy.
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 06, 2010, 10:15:12 AM
Great review there, Andy! You summed up my feelings on this too. I remember when I first got into VH (around 1990/91). This was about the 5th CD I had purchased (never having heard the material on this and most other albums except from 1984, OU812 and VH I). I put that CD on my discman on the day I bought it, and was so blown away by it, I must have listened to that CD 10 times on the first day. Everything on that Fair Warning album was so original (never before was VH heard like this, and never would we ever hear them like this again).
I no you specifically, and rightly so, praise Edward for his virtuosity and originality on this album. I agree, but it would be wrong to not praise one other member who deserves special mention on Fair Warning, and that is bassist Michael Anthony. WOW!! The bass on Fair Warning is unbelievable. And the bass is beyond describable on Sunday Afternoon in the Park. The only other VH album that is anywhere close to having outstanding bass sound (although still light years away from as good as Fair Warning), is on For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
The first time I heard Sunday Afternoon in the Park, I was actually frightened by it!! :o
In 1991, when VH came to Winnipeg, I went to that live concert. Unfortunately, it played 90% Sammy Hagar VH, and only played songs from VH I and 1984 from the Roth era. ::) Michael Anthony and Alex Van Halen did play Sunday Afternoon in the Park at the concert, but it was very poorly performed.
Sunday Afternoon in the Park was kind of creepy, huh? Plus, it sequed into "One Foot Out the Door" really well. The whole album was dark, it wasn't exactly typical VH.
I remain skeptical over the upcoming new VH, because I can't imagine VH without Michael's bass or backing vocals.
As for Hagarm I think 5150is a fantastic album, with some of the best compositions ever by Edward, and easily the best vocals of Hagar's career, imho. But every album after that kind of slid for me. One generally forgotten song is the extremely heavy metal "Seventh Seal" off of Balance. Great music!
Quote from: Opus106 on September 06, 2010, 10:35:29 AM
Wonderful to have you back, Andy.
Wonderful to hear from YOU!
It's so weird to see all the "Fair Warning" chat . . . I honestly had no idea of the Van Halen album when I adopted that phrase as the first movement of my viola sonata.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 06, 2010, 10:47:36 AM
It's so weird to see all the "Fair Warning" chat . . . I honestly had no idea of the Van Halen album when I adopted that phrase as the first movement of my viola sonata.
Yeah, but your violin sonata is probably jamming too, Karl.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 06, 2010, 10:50:08 AM
Yeah, but your violin sonata is probably jamming too, Karl.
Sigh!! It's viola, not violin. Blasphemy!! :D ;)
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 06, 2010, 10:53:08 AM
Sigh!! It's viola, not violin. Blasphemy!! :D ;)
Heyyy, a
viola sonata.
That sounds interesting!
Weren't you about to start learning the viola and cello a few (3?) years ago? How did that go?
Welcome back, real nice to see you posting again! 8)
Quote from: Maciek on September 06, 2010, 11:32:31 AM
Weren't you about to start learning the viola and cello a few (3?) years ago? How did that go?
Welcome back, real nice to see you posting again! 8)
It went abysmally, but the actual study of those instruments helped me alot in my writing.
Great to hear from you!
Hey, Andy, welcome back! Sorry to hear of troubles, but hope you things are better--music often helps, as you know.
Anyway, glad to see you again.
--Bruce
Very glad to welcome you back, Andy! :) :)
Q
Quote from: bhodges on September 06, 2010, 11:47:52 AM
Hey, Andy, welcome back! Sorry to hear of troubles, but hope you things are better--music often helps, as you know.
Anyway, glad to see you again.
--Bruce
Quote from: Que on September 07, 2010, 11:56:06 AM
Very glad to welcome you back, Andy! :) :)
Q
Thanks so much to Bruce and Que! It seems better than ever here.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 01:49:52 PM
Thanks so much to Bruce and Que! It seems better than ever here.
It gets better each day! I wonder if a return from M Forever or Bob Newman would receive the same rousing, warm welcome? ;D ;)
Quote from: ChamberNut on September 07, 2010, 01:59:01 PM
It gets better each day! I wonder if a return from M Forever or Bob Newman would receive the same rousing, warm welcome? ;D ;)
Reminds me of Seinfeld: "Hello, Newman".
Is Bob the same dude that went on for pages and pages about Mozart being a fake? Doesn't he torment some other forum as well?
I always wondered if
M Forever was one of the other GMG forum members' alter ego. He just seemed too stridently negative, too much like a cartoon character, to be just one member.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
Reminds me of Seinfeld: "Hello, Newman".
LOL, me too. :)
Don't know you Andy, but welcome back! Anybody who enjoys Bruckner is alright in my book! ;)
Look forward to getting to know you.
-John
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 07, 2010, 08:27:23 PM
Don't know you Andy, but welcome back! Anybody who enjoys Bruckner is alright in my book! ;)
Look forward to getting to know you.
-John
Well, I must be in the right place! Nice to meet you, John!
Quote from: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 02:03:59 PMI always wondered if M Forever was one of the other GMG forum members' alter ego. He just seemed too stridently negative, too much like a cartoon character, to be just one member.
I'd say he was Henning's alter ego, except there was an alleged photo of them together. Come to think of it, they looked almost identical. Maybe it was Photoshop'd. ;D
(Oh . . . .)
Quote from: AndyD. on September 07, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
Is Bob the same dude that went on for pages and pages about Mozart being a fake? Doesn't he torment some other forum as well?
Hmm... to me, it was more cheap entertainment to look forward to than torment. 8)
Quote from: Greg on September 10, 2010, 10:44:34 AM
Hmm... to me, it was more cheap entertainment to look forward to than torment. 8)
I agree, but there was something that reeked of the desert about him as well (to paraphrase Nietzsche). He seemed like one of those guys who was so up his own butt he never came out for air. Claustrophobic feelings in his presence, like he was trying to drag you into his tiny, tiny crawlspace.
True. Or, just flat-out wacko. ;D
--Bruce
Andy, welcome back! You're a remarkable person. Always nice to read your posts, although I avoid anything that has to do with Wagner. My first classical cd was a Wagner recording, have to look it up.
Henk
Quote from: bhodges on September 10, 2010, 12:17:31 PM
True. Or, just flat-out wacko. ;D
--Bruce
This is an equally good way to put it.
Quote from: Henk on September 10, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
Andy, welcome back! You're a remarkable person. Always nice to read your posts, although I avoid anything that has to do with Wagner. My first classical cd was a Wagner recording, have to look it up.
Henk
Hi! From what I recall, you happen to like several other things that I do.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 10, 2010, 01:05:16 PM
This is an equally good way to put it.
Hi! From what I recall, you happen to like several other things that I do.
Reading Nietzsche. You got me into Rainbow. It's the only metal band I like.
Quote from: Henk on September 10, 2010, 01:09:40 PM
Reading Nietzsche. You got me into Rainbow. It's the only metal band I like.
Now
here's a man! :)
Rainbow's Stargazer: http://lyraka.com/ourfatherofmetal/rainbowsstargazer.htm (http://lyraka.com/ourfatherofmetal/rainbowsstargazer.htm)
Heeeeyyyyyy! You're back! I'll fire up my Marshall Major with my strat and.....oh, that's right, I don't have those things. But if I did...(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/cheesy.gif)
Quote from: drogulus on September 10, 2010, 02:09:21 PM
Heeeeyyyyyy! You're back! I'll fire up my Marshall Major with my strat and.....oh, that's right, I don't have those things. But if I did...(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/cheesy.gif)
You and your Strats. I'm going to whip out my ES-335 and lay something down.
Quote from: drogulus on September 10, 2010, 02:09:21 PM
Heeeeyyyyyy! You're back! I'll fire up my Marshall Major with my strat and.....oh, that's right, I don't have those things. But if I did...(http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/cheesy.gif)
OOO Marshall Majors...heaven!
Quote from: Scarpia on September 10, 2010, 02:12:16 PM
You and your Strats. I'm going to whip out my ES-335 and lay something down.
Hey, an ES-335 and two Strats. I'm so there, dudes.
JAH-min'!(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/081.gif)(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/icon_super.gif)
Quote from: AndyD. on September 10, 2010, 02:21:14 PMHey, an ES-335 and two Strats. I'm so there, dudes.
JAH-min'!(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/081.gif)(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/icon_super.gif)
OK, all together, "Smoke On the Water."
1...2....1..2..3..4..
Da Da Daaa
Da Da Da-Daaaa
Da Da Daaaa Da Da-Daaaa
Quote from: Scarpia on September 10, 2010, 03:57:40 PM
OK, all together, "Smoke On the Water."
1...2....1..2..3..4..
Da Da Daaa
Da Da Da-Daaaa
Da Da Daaaa Da Da-Daaaa
Ernie takes the first solo.
Quote from: Scarpia on September 11, 2010, 06:30:16 AM
Hey, this is the "welcome back AndyD" thread, not the "social maladjustment thread." There are enough of those.
Andy,
Do you still have the web-site featuring your music and goth girlfriend? Or was that someone else?
Yes. Latest news:
http://www.bravewords.com/news/144663
http://www.bravewords.com/news/138622
Website:
http://www.Lyraka.com
Wagner and Metal:
http://lyraka.com/ourfatherofmetal/
:o
This is an impressive photo:
(http://lyraka.com/index/prekenlogo.jpg)
You should have that one (the inset) available in high-res.
;D
Ha! Yeah, the site will be looking way better within the next month or so, we've got artwork getting finished by the guy who did stuff like this:
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/Dierk_Siegel/manowar_thetriumphofsteel_wallpaper.jpg)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/king1-1024.jpg)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/Rainbow.jpg)
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/Gods-of-war-Cover.jpg)
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 07:49:09 AM
Ha! Yeah, the site will be looking way better within the next month or so, we've got artwork getting finished by the guy who did stuff like this:
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/Dierk_Siegel/manowar_thetriumphofsteel_wallpaper.jpg)
Well, it isn't Saul... :)
Welcome back Andy. I just left your part of the world yesterday; great to be back in Texas... :D
8)
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on September 11, 2010, 07:51:31 AM
Well, it isn't Saul... :)
Welcome back Andy. I just left your part of the world yesterday; great to be back in Texas... :D
8)
Hi Gurn! I'm going to be investigating your "Corner" right now.
I have enough of all those moralistic preachers and word ******* here, including moderators. False-Dmitry was right.
I'm quite sure Andy had no problem with me posting in this thread. It wasn't my intention to disturb this thread. Moreover the discussion was not set by me, it was set by other people, the same people who asked moderators to take action. So I can't help it all.
Henk
Quote from: Henk on September 11, 2010, 08:42:42 AM
I have enough of all those moralistic preachers and word ***** here, including moderators. False-Dmitry was right.
Henk
Then you and False Dmitry should go start your own forum. Meanwhile, abiding by the rules of this one is easily accomplished, and mandatory for continued participation. And furthermore, since you don't mind, apparently, making your chastisements public, I'll continue in the same vein that I did in private. If you want to start your own thread about why you have issues with women, then do so. I'm sure the other misogynists here will be happy to join you...
GB
Right is not the adjective which springs to mind as modifying the compound proper noun False Dmitry.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 11, 2010, 08:51:38 AM
Right is not the adjective which springs to mind as modifying the compound proper noun False Dmitry.
:D
Karl, I don't know why False-Dmitry had a problem with you and didn't read about that discussion. I can only say again, and you know I think, that I never had any problem with your contributions, on the contrary I'm amazed by your output rather.
Henk
Gurn, could you please PM me and let me know what Henk did wrong? I guess I'm just confused...I thought he was just reaching out to a friend. Or is this something that happens often? When you write of Dimitry, do you mean "D minor"? What happened to him? Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Henk on September 11, 2010, 08:53:57 AM
:D
Karl, I don't know why False-Dmitry had a problem with you and didn't read about that discussion. I can only say that I never had any problem with your contributions, on the contrary I'm amazed by them rather.
Henk
You're very kind, thank you, Henk.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 08:55:50 AM
Gurn, could you please PM me and let me know what Henk did wrong? I guess I'm just confused...I thought he was just reaching out to a friend. Or is this something that happens often? When you write of Dimitry, do you mean "D minor"? What happened to him? Thanks in advance.
No, this Faux Dmitry was not our D Minor! The former D Minor is now BachQ.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 11, 2010, 08:58:22 AM
No, this Faux Dmitry was not our D Minor! The former D Minor is now BachQ.
Oh! I always liked him. He was a big Wagner fan, too. Like us ;) ;D.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 09:00:16 AM
Oh! I always liked him. He was a big Wagner fan, too. Like us ;) ;D.
Do you know, I think it was in the interim since you were here last . . . but I have listened to Parsifal in its entirety (though not in a single sitting), and I think very highly of it indeed.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 09:00:16 AM
Oh! I always liked him. He was a big Wagner fan, too. Like us ;) ;D.
I always liked
Dm also. I just wish he still posted in the music forums, instead of only in the 'Meltdown' thread. :(
Yes, I'll sign on there, too, Ray!
(Oh, this post is my 'palindrome' . . . 26062 . . . .)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 11, 2010, 09:02:06 AM
Do you know, I think it was in the interim since you were here last . . . but I have listened to Parsifal in its entirety (though not in a single sitting), and I think very highly of it indeed.
That deserves a
*pounds the table!* :)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 11, 2010, 09:02:06 AM
Do you know, I think it was in the interim since you were here last . . . but I have listened to Parsifal in its entirety (though not in a single sitting), and I think very highly of it indeed.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/icon_eek.gif)
So...this is Karl Henning, the composer in Boston?
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 11, 2010, 08:56:29 AM
You're very kind, thank you, Henk.
I liked False-Dmitry and it's a big loss imo that he has left the forum. With the impression I had of him, I suppose he had the same objections as me, but couldn't or didn't want to communicate them, so he projected it on you and left us.
Henk
Scarpia offended me with his violent messages. The moderators took away my defence by deleting the discussion. Now I feel Scarpia's violence and am his victim.
Henk
Quote from: Henk on September 11, 2010, 01:25:05 PM
Scarpia offended me with his violent messages. The moderators took away my defence by deleting the discussion. Now I feel Scarpia's violence and am his victim.
Henk
Henk, with all respect, he (and everybody else) can't hurt you (especially over the Internet) unless you
let him hurt you. Please try not to take things too seriously, we're all here for entertainment purposes, and sometimes we even learn something from time to time. At least, that's what
I'm here for.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 09:00:16 AM
Oh! I always liked him. He was a big Wagner fan, too. Like us ;) ;D.
I added a second Wagner item to my collection today. (While I waited in line at Borders I couldn't help but think of how proud you were going to be of me.)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OG4kADrvL._SS500_.jpg)
I don't make this up, Andy. I haven't experienced this ever on any other forum. That it can happen at GMG, means GMG can't be considered as a friendly forum anymore. The moderators cause things, which they try to avoid. If they would have taken their task serious they should at least have taken notice of Scarpia's violent (offending) messages.
Henk
Quote from: Henk on September 11, 2010, 01:56:46 PM
I don't make this up, Andy. I haven't experienced this ever on any other forum. That it can happen at GMG, means GMG can't be considered as a friendly forum anymore. The moderators cause things, which they try to avoid. If they would have taken their task serious they should at least have taken notice of Scarpia's violent (offending) messages.
Henk
I would never imply you were making things up, Henk. Just hang in there, everything will work out.
Quote from: George on September 11, 2010, 01:48:46 PM
I added a second Wagner item to my collection today. (While I waited in line at Borders I couldn't help but think of how proud you were going to be of me.)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OG4kADrvL._SS500_.jpg)
Three words: Flagstad. Solti. Thrilling. (Thrilling is interchangeable with JAH-min')!
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 02:00:48 PM
Three words: Flagstad. Solti. Thrilling. (Thrilling is interchangeable with JAH-min')!
Cool. Can't wait to pop it in. Gotta finish some stuff first. :)
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 02:00:48 PM
I would never imply you were making things up, Henk. Just hang in there, everything will work out.
You can't speak for the moderators, Andy :).
I mean I appreciate that you take the lead, but let the moderators solve their problems.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 01:33:24 PM
Henk, with all respect, he (and everybody else) can't hurt you (especially over the Internet) unless you let him hurt you. Please try not to take things too seriously, we're all here for entertainment purposes, and sometimes we even learn something from time to time. At least, that's what I'm here for.
I'm here to meet girls. And to learn something, like how to hurt people over the internet.
No, ha ha ha......... I'm just kidding! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/angry.gif)
I was listening to
Smoke on the Water just this morning, no really....I was in a Marshall Major mood so I put on
Made in Japan.
I never owned the 200 watt. I did have a small box 50-watter. That was enough for me.
(http://www.oldenburger-music-station.de/Marshall-1987-front.jpg)
Quote from: drogulus on September 11, 2010, 02:25:15 PM
I'm here to meet girls. And to learn something, like how to hurt people over the internet. No, ha ha ha......... I'm just kidding! (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/Smileys/classic/angry.gif)
I was listening to Smoke on the Water just this morning, no really....I was in a Marshall Major mood so I put on Made in Japan.
I never owned the 200 watt. I did have a small box 50-watter. That was enough for me.
(http://www.oldenburger-music-station.de/Marshall-1987-front.jpg)
YES! Made in Japan: Highway Star, Child in Time, Smoke on the Water. What a triple shot!
I would love to play those Marshall Majors, even the 50s sound killer. I've mostly played the JCM DSL and 800.
I never played anything after about 1972 except in my brothers music store. My impression is that all the Marshall's up through the early '80s were great. I just don't appreciate the high gain models. I'm mostly a NMV kind of guy as you probably have guessed. Those 800s were great amps, though.
If I ever get another guitar I don't know which way I'll go, but I'm thinking about something from Germino. This guy makes the most fanatically detailed early JTMs and JMPs. Another boutique amp is Reinhardt. They have an 18 watter that just sings. I love those little amps with the big sound!
Quote from: drogulus on September 11, 2010, 02:42:25 PM
I love those little amps with the big sound!
Yes! And you have an excellent point about post 1972 amps. I think the drive for mega-saturation came with Edward Van Halen and his wanna be crowd. You know, Satriani, Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen (though Malmsteen was more like Blackmore and Ulrich Roth sped up to Van Halen velocity). The whole tapping, sweep arpeggio thing , both techniques requiring massive distortion.
The problem is, the more distortion, the less dynamics. You lose pick attack (where one heck of alot of dynamics come from), get an anonymous sound, etc. But you're probably very much aware of this. Listen to Blackmore's playing on Highway Star from MiJ, the solo sounds like he's on fire, trying to heel a massive and ferocious best. That solo sounds so uniquely him, Smoke on the Water as well. Nobody sounded exactly like him, and nobody does today.
Then listen to the Glam Rock of the '80s (and actually most of the guitar solos in the Rock/Metal field today), every solo sounds the same. Same tone, same techniques, yawn. Edward Van Halen did that whole style not only first, but by far the best, everybody after got more and more anonymous. I blame it partly on high gain amps, partly on super duper pickups, and too many young players not learning the basics and just trying to play as fast as Van Halen right off.
Okay, rant over.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 09:12:31 AM
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So...this is Karl Henning, the composer in Boston?
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Well, if it helps any . . . so far I am still apt to lose patience with the Ring ; )
Quote from: AndyD. on September 11, 2010, 02:59:10 PMThe problem is, the more distortion, the less dynamics. You lose pick attack (where one heck of alot of dynamics come from), get an anonymous sound, etc.
Eric Johnson and Shawn Lane both used distortion that was completely saturated but they didn't loose any of their dynamics in their playing. Like in Eric Johnson's lead tone, especially around
Ah Via Musicom and
Venus Isle you can't even hear his pick. His lead tone is so incredible that it's almost synth-like!
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 12, 2010, 05:23:34 PM
Eric Johnson and Shawn Lane both used distortion that was completely saturated but they didn't loose any of their dynamics in their playing. Like in Eric Johnson's lead tone, especially around Ah Via Musicom and Venus Isle you can't even hear his pick. His lead tone is so incredible that it's almost synth-like!
With all respect, Johnson and Lane were rarely ever mega-saturated distortion wise. They had very processed sounds, with plenty of other effects like reverb and delay, not to mention volume (especially in the case of Lane). They go at length in their interviews about their amp settings and pedal boards.
I have to mention that not being able to hear pick dynamics and having a synth like tone pretty much throws away the idea of playing a guitar in the first place. Reminds me of the clowns on youtube that play only with their two hands tapping, completely making the idea of mastering a "guitar" ridiculous. Go play a keyboard.
I have alot of respect for the players you mentioned, especially Johnson who often had some really cool ideas. But...again this is just my opinion, neither of them had much in the way of unique tone, songwriting skill, or even original phrasing. Johnson was very much from the Satriani school tone and legato technique wise, while Lane was more on the jazz fusion end: Holdsworth and DiMeola.
I don't mean to contradict you, I respect your opinion.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 13, 2010, 01:03:44 AM
With all respect, Johnson and Lane were rarely ever mega-saturated distortion wise. They had very processed sounds, with plenty of other effects like reverb and delay, not to mention volume (especially in the case of Lane). They go at length in their interviews about their amp settings and pedal boards.
I have to mention that not being able to hear pick dynamics and having a synth like tone pretty much throws away the idea of playing a guitar in the first place. Reminds me of the clowns on youtube that play only with their two hands tapping, completely making the idea of mastering a "guitar" ridiculous. Go play a keyboard.
I have alot of respect for the players you mentioned, especially Johnson who often had some really cool ideas. But...again this is just my opinion, neither of them had much in the way of unique tone, songwriting skill, or even original phrasing. Johnson was very much from the Satriani school tone and legato technique wise, while Lane was more on the jazz fusion end: Holdsworth and DiMeola.
I don't mean to contradict you, I respect your opinion.
Well, I've been playing guitar for 20 years and I'm a jazz guy. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I happen to like a processed sound. I'm not a metalhead (never will be), so the kind of playing that I enjoy is far removed from that style. This is not to say that I don't enjoy some metal, because I do like early Dream Theater for example, but I don't relate much to the genre. For me, I don't like straight distortion unless it has delay and reverb. Something to fatten up the tone and give it more texture.
I also like guitar synthesizers, which I own a Roland unit that's really fun to play around with. There's a reason why I don't play a keyboard or piano, I'm not a pianist and never had an interest in being one, the guitar is the instrument I enjoy playing or I would, obviously, be putting my time into something else.
You may not like Eric Johnson or Shawn Lane, but to say they don't have any original ideas, songwriting ability, or unique tones is quite uneducated. They're recognized by their peers, fans, and critics as being very creative players. I think the comment about Johnson coming from the Satriani "school" of guitar playing shows you don't know much about the guitarist and his style. Have you ever seen the G3 concert with Satriani, Vai, and Johnson? Johnson was by far the most original, creative musician there. Satriani and Vai were more concerned with how many licks they could play. Johnson has never been concerned about this. This note-spinning criticism could be atrributed to Lane, but even Lane was a much better player than Vai and Satriani in my opinion.
Besides Johnson, my biggest influences on guitar have been Bill Frisell, Pat Metheny, John Abercrombie, Jim Hall, Ben Monder, and Terje Rypdal.
In the end, we like what we like. Musically, I have never got along with anybody who plays metal. They don't know what to do in my style and I don't know what to do in their style, so I stay as far away from it as I can. :D I'm also not a note-spinner. I find the less I play, the better I sound.
By the way, I respect your opinion and glad we talk about this like two mature people.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2010, 12:48:58 PM
Have you ever seen the G3 concert with Satriani, Vai, and Johnson? Johnson was by far the most original, creative musician there.
I've had that disc for years... I always thought all three were just extremely creative, anyways- probably on the same level. If you want just all-out creativity, disc 1 of Satriani's Time Machine is the way to go. You could also probably include Vai's "Flexable", but I don't remember liking that one much, so I guess I couldn't recommend it. :D
You have a very healthy attitude toward playing, one I sympathise with fully.
I'm very familiar with Johnson, own three of his old classic cds, and formerly owned the G3 with Johnson, Vai, and Satriani. To say that Johnson was an improvement over Vai and Satriani is an understatement. Vai and Satriani are very much of the Edward Van Halen school, with a liberal dose of Michael Schenker, without any of the heart. I liked Johnson's G3 Manhattan, and the SRV tribute. On neither of those tracks did he sounded particularly saturated, rather he sounded to me like a much less distorted Satriani tone wise. It could be also that I just don't overall care for his playing much and I don't find him particularly original either. It's obvious he has fit in some very interesting tempo changes, and he's amazingly facile.
Please understand, I've been listening to Rock and Metal all my life, and am employing world class singers and engineers from the U.S., U.K., and Germany for my opera. This doesn't make my opinion any better than yours, however I do know something about Rock and Metal, you state you are more into jazz, which of course is an amazingly music in itself.
Again, I don't mean any offense, you obviously have your tastes, and I fully respect that.
The big problem I have with Shawn Lane is the unmemorability quotient. For what he did, the whole outside jazzy rock school, he was a master; the style just doesn't interest me too much, save for Holdsworth, MacLaughlin, a little Dimeola. I find the other players you mentioned, Bill Frisell, Pat Metheny, John Abercrombie, Jim Hall to be all far more interesting. Metheny and Abercrombie are absolutely spectacular.
Quote from: Greg on September 13, 2010, 01:01:27 PM
I've had that disc for years... I always thought all three were just extremely creative, anyways- probably on the same level. If you want just all-out creativity, disc 1 of Satriani's Time Machine is the way to go. You could also probably include Vai's "Flexable", but I don't remember liking that one much, so I guess I couldn't recommend it. :D
I just used the G3 concert as an example for Andy. Honestly, I hated the concert.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2010, 01:20:23 PM
I just used the G3 concert as an example for Andy. Honestly, I hated the concert.
Overall it was definitely lame, but I honestly did like some of the Johnson, and Vai actually seemed to stop being a robot for a couple of seconds during "For the Love of God".
It gets old hearing all the effects and Edward Van Halen ripoffs, and I do mean Vai and Satriani.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 13, 2010, 01:06:36 PM
You have a very healthy attitude toward playing, one I sympathise with fully.
I'm very familiar with Johnson, own three of his old classic cds, and formerly owned the G3 with Johnson, Vai, and Satriani. To say that Johnson was an improvement over Vai and Satriani is an understatement. Vai and Satriani are very much of the Edward Van Halen school, with a liberal dose of Michael Schenker, without any of the heart. I liked Johnson's G3 Manhattan, and the SRV tribute. On neither of those tracks did he sounded particularly saturated, rather he sounded to me like a much less distorted Satriani tone wise. It could be also that I just don't overall care for his playing much and I don't find him particularly original either. It's obvious he has fit in some very interesting tempo changes, and he's amazingly facile.
Please understand, I've been listening to Rock and Metal all my life, and am employing world class singers and engineers from the U.S., U.K., and Germany for my opera. This doesn't make my opinion any better than yours, however I do know something about Rock and Metal, you state you are more into jazz, which of course is an amazingly music in itself.
Again, I don't mean any offense, you obviously have your tastes, and I fully respect that.
The big problem I have with Shawn Lane is the unmemorability quotient. For what he did, the whole outside jazzy rock school, he was a master; the style just doesn't interest me too much, save for Holdsworth, MacLaughlin, a little Dimeola. I find the other players you mentioned, Bill Frisell, Pat Metheny, John Abercrombie, Jim Hall to be all far more interesting. Metheny and Abercrombie are absolutely spectacular.
Don't worry Andy you didn't offend me. It takes a lot to do that! :D You seem like an honest person and I respect that. I've known many metal musicians and all the ones I've met have been really nice and personable.
I will say that I don't find much time for the guitar these days. When I do play, I'm working on a song, so I'm quite sure that my own technique, or lack thereof, has suffered the past few years. I find when I don't focus on technique and focus more on the music that my overall playing improves.
Since you're a metalhead, I have no doubt that you could slaughter me on the guitar. :) Funny thing is I actually sat in with some metal musicians about 9 years ago at a club and they told me they really liked what I was playing and I don't really know why...lol, but interestingly enough the lead singer asked me to come into a studio with them to lay down a few rhythm tracks and improvisations, but for whatever reason I couldn't make it. I forget the name of the band. They're based in Atlanta. That's the closest to metal stardom I have ever come! 8)
In terms of listening and what I'm influenced by now, I seldom listen to guitarists anymore and haven't for the past 10 years or so. I have been listening to other instruments, which has helped my phrasing tremendously.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2010, 01:46:45 PM
Since you're a metalhead, I have no doubt that you could slaughter me on the guitar. :) Funny thing is I actually sat in with some metal musicians about 9 years ago at a club and they told me they really liked what I was playing and I don't really know why...lol, but interestingly enough the lead singer asked me to come into a studio with them to lay down a few rhythm tracks and improvisations, but for whatever reason I couldn't make it. I forget the name of the band. They're based in Atlanta. That's the closest to metal stardom I have ever come! 8)
In terms of listening and what I'm influenced by now, I seldom listen to guitarists anymore and haven't for the past 10 years or so. I have been listening to other instruments, which has helped my phrasing tremendously.
Yes! I love pulling out Du Pre on Schumann's Cello Concerto, Rostropovich, Richter, Serkin, Perlman, or playing Schnittke's Viola Concerto, etc. Once a player starts really listening to other instruments, it starts showing up in his or her playing in a radically positive way. I've been there, it's really exciting! I would hate to ever have the close minded approach I had when I was younger again. There's too much fun in learning!
Many Metal players, especially young ones, are surprised at the more angular, outside style of playing in a jazz guitarists' repetoire. They listen so much to shreddy, unmusical calculator junk that they lose sight of other types of playing, getting too hung up on all l the same guitar tones, harmonic minor and Phrgian scales at warp speed, arpeggios, etc.
When I first heard Holdsworth, I was completely floored. I got spanked by more than one jazz player (and a couple of country guitarists as well, those guys are no joke!). Any player stands to learn so much from jazz guitar, and jazz as a genre itself yields so much inspiration for me.
I have a macabre jazz part in one of my longer epic songs, and it was a complete blast to write and play. It's really astonishing music.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 13, 2010, 02:10:06 PM
Yes! I love pulling out Du Pre on Schumann's Cello Concerto, Rostropovich, Richter, Serkin, Perlman, or playing Schnittke's Viola Concerto, etc. Once a player starts really listening to other instruments, it starts showing up in his or her playing in a radically positive way. I've been there, it's really exciting! I would hate to ever have the close minded approach I had when I was younger again. There's too much fun in learning!
Many Metal players, especially young ones, are surprised at the more angular, outside style of playing in a jazz guitarists' repetoire. They listen so much to shreddy, unmusical calculator junk that they lose sight of other types of playing, getting too hung up on all l the same guitar tones, harmonic minor and Phrgian scales at warp speed, arpeggios, etc.
When I first heard Holdsworth, I was completely floored. I got spanked by more than one jazz player (and a couple of country guitarists as well, those guys are no joke!). Any player stands to learn so much from jazz guitar, and jazz as a genre itself yields so much inspiration for me.
I have a macabre jazz part in one of my longer epic songs, and it was a complete blast to write and play. It's really astonishing music.
Jazz guitarists will scare the hell out of you! I'm still scared by them to this day even though I consider a lot of what I play jazz.
Let me tell you who else will scare the hell out of you: funk guitarists! I met a funk guitarist in a Guitar Center a few years ago and my jaw was dropped watching him play. I'm not a fan of funk music at all, but what this guy was playing was really inspiring to watch. He burned through improvised riff after riff and his creativity was just amazing.
Jazz has been an never-ending source of inspiration for me, but I have found that classical has had the same effect on me.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
Jazz guitarists will scare the hell out of you! I'm still scared by them to this day even though I consider a lot of what I play jazz.
Let me tell you who else will scare the hell out of you: funk guitarists! I met a funk guitarist in a Guitar Center a few years ago and my jaw was dropped watching him play. I'm not a fan of funk music at all, but what this guy was playing was really inspiring to watch. He burned through improvised riff after riff and his creativity was just amazing.
Jazz has been an never-ending source of inspiration for me, but I have found that classical has had the same effect on me.
I completely agree. There's this one funk guy, named Thaddeus Hogarth. He's a teacher at one of the big "guitar schools", maybe the one in Boston. The guy is scary funking good. I get very intimidated by his playing: his whole sense of groove, note choices, everything. He's fantastic.
Whenever I hear young kids talk about going for the "title", best guitar player, I bite my tongue. It's a HUGE guitar world out there. I don't even count myself as great, and I've got singers working for me whom have put out full albums and tours with Blackmore, Vai, Malmsteen, Impelliterri, Schenker, Uli Jon Roth...all massive guitar names.
Re: Thaddeus Hogarth, I just found this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZekNW2vUSE&feature=related) on youtube.
Re: Guitar playing in general, I am not afficiando on this stuff, but starting at 3:30 on this youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifp_SVrlurY&feature=related), check the solo. :o
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh3bleXWaCk) is my other all time favorite guitar tune.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 13, 2010, 04:05:59 PM
I completely agree. There's this one funk guy, named Thaddeus Hogarth. He's a teacher at one of the big "guitar schools", maybe the one in Boston. The guy is scary funking good. I get very intimidated by his playing: his whole sense of groove, note choices, everything. He's fantastic.
Whenever I hear young kids talk about going for the "title", best guitar player, I bite my tongue. It's a HUGE guitar world out there. I don't even count myself as great, and I've got singers working for me whom have put out full albums and tours with Blackmore, Vai, Malmsteen, Impelliterri, Schenker, Uli Jon Roth...all massive guitar names.
I've heard of all those guitar players. All can rip the strings off the guitar with blinding speed. But for me, less is more these days.
Quote from: George on September 13, 2010, 04:35:41 PM
Re: Thaddeus Hogarth, I just found this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZekNW2vUSE&feature=related) on youtube.
Re: Guitar playing in general, I am not afficiando on this stuff, but starting at 3:30 on this youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifp_SVrlurY&feature=related), check the solo. :o
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh3bleXWaCk) is my other all time favorite guitar tune.
Thaddeus is unreal, that's a killer guitar he's got there. Both Eddie Hazel and Parliament kick de cozmic bootay.
Quote from: George on September 13, 2010, 04:35:41 PM
Re: Thaddeus Hogarth, I just found this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZekNW2vUSE&feature=related) on youtube.
Re: Guitar playing in general, I am not afficiando on this stuff, but starting at 3:30 on this youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifp_SVrlurY&feature=related), check the solo. :o
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh3bleXWaCk) is my other all time favorite guitar tune.
I hate to say this but I'm not impressed with any of the videos you provided. I found the guitar playing to lack feeling and in my opinion is so cliched. Also, in each video the guitar tones were terrible.
This is my idea of guitar playing and the composition is also more masterful:
Pat Metheny Group: Have You Heard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2QcTmQU9qM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2QcTmQU9qM)
Check this out, starting about 2:40 on. Light and shade in the playing, drama, beauty, passion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdmVKMfQpLY
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
Pat Metheny Group: Have You Heard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2QcTmQU9qM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2QcTmQU9qM)
I missed answering this the first time. I already know that video, and it is fantastic. Metheny is one guy I wouldn't get within 100 feet of with a guitar. The master!
Quote from: AndyD. on September 13, 2010, 05:03:41 PM
I missed answering this the first time. I already know that video, and it is fantastic. Metheny is one guy I wouldn't get within 100 feet of with a guitar. The master!
I really dislike YouTube. I don't think this video does any justice to real quality of the actual source.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2010, 05:09:03 PM
I really dislike YouTube. I don't think this video does any justice to real quality of the actual source.
Me either. They say "high quality" but hq on youtube is garbage for anyone who is really into music.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 13, 2010, 05:12:03 PM
Me either. They say "high quality" but hq on youtube is garbage for anyone who is really into music.
If you're into music, then YouTube is an excellent resource for hearing something you, otherwise, wouldn't be able to hear, but people should know that they're watching/listening to something of very poor quality and should know this.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 13, 2010, 02:12:14 PM
I'm keen on your sonata, or would like to be!
This (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,92.msg449189.html#msg449189) is a 'key' to various PDFs and MIDIs, and towards the end are the three movements of the Viola Sonata. Thanks for asking!
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 13, 2010, 05:16:22 PM
If you're into music, then YouTube is an excellent resource for hearing something you, otherwise, wouldn't be able to hear, but people should know that they're watching/listening to something of very poor quality and should know this.
Again, I agree.
This diverts from what we were talking about, but I wanted to address a certain, admittedly peripheral, issue. I keep reading about how musicians today are endlessly complaining about the Internet, file sharing, youtube. That they are losing revenue, etc. It might just be me, but roughly 8 out of 10 times, if I really like what I hear through the aforementioned formats, I'm going to buy the cd, and not "just" because cds offer superior sound quality (to my ears at least).
As you are probably quite aware, not everybody just feels like blindly stealing lousy sounding internet music from artists, some (if not many) want to have the great sound, packaging, artwork. And of course, there are some that feel that buying a cd makes them part of that "club", which is fine as well, as long as the artist is ultimately getting paid.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 14, 2010, 05:32:29 AM
This (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,92.msg449189.html#msg449189) is a 'key' to various PDFs and MIDIs, and towards the end are the three movements of the Viola Sonata. Thanks for asking!
THANKS! I'm so there, dude.
: )
Quote from: AndyD. on September 14, 2010, 05:40:18 AM
Again, I agree.
This diverts from what we were talking about, but I wanted to address a certain, admittedly peripheral, issue. I keep reading about how musicians today are endlessly complaining about the Internet, file sharing, youtube. That they are losing revenue, etc. It might just be me, but roughly 8 out of 10 times, if I really like what I hear through the aforementioned formats, I'm going to buy the cd, and not "just" because cds offer superior sound quality (to my ears at least).
As you are probably quite aware, not everybody just feels like blindly stealing lousy sounding internet music from artists, some (if not many) want to have the great sound, packaging, artwork. And of course, there are some that feel that buying a cd makes them part of that "club", which is fine as well, as long as the artist is ultimately getting paid.
I own around 7,000 classical CDs, so I guess you could say I'm supporting the musicians in question. :D
I enjoy collecting and it wasn't until about 15 years ago that I realized how much I enjoy owning the original CD, so I can look at the artwork, read the liner notes, etc. That's just so much fun and I love meeting other collectors. I know there's so many people that love to collect just for the sake of it, but I collect to one day be able to hear the music. I have so much to hear, Andy, but, at the same time, I'm very fortunate that I'm able to have a hobby like this.
I get this sickness from my Dad. He owns every Mahler recording known to man. :)
Right!
Quote from: AndyD. on September 13, 2010, 01:40:29 PM
Overall it was definitely lame, but I honestly did like some of the Johnson, and Vai actually seemed to stop being a robot for a couple of seconds during "For the Love of God".
I always get a chuckle when I see Vai credited, on a Zappa album, for playing stunt guitar.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 15, 2010, 07:27:19 AM
I always get a chuckle when I see Vai credited, on a Zappa album, for playing stunt guitar.
Interesting, because Zappa was a far more creative and overall imaginative guitar player. Vai always struck me as Zappa meets Van Halen, and quite a few other musicians agree.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 15, 2010, 07:33:31 AM
Interesting, because Zappa was a far more creative and overall imaginative guitar player.
That has always been my impression; I am gratified to see it corroborated by an actual guitarist.Quote from: AndyVai always struck me as Zappa meets Van Halen, and quite a few other musicians agree.
The coincidence of my use of the phrase fair warning notwithstanding, I actually don't know all that much Van Halen. I know he was "Darth Vader's" instrument of sonic punishment in Back to the Future ; )
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 15, 2010, 08:27:19 AM
That has always been my impression; I am gratified to see it corroborated by an actual guitarist.
The coincidence of my use of the phrase fair warning notwithstanding, I actually don't know all that much Van Halen. I know he was "Darth Vader's" instrument of sonic punishment in Back to the Future ; )
Zappa, when first meeting Edward Van Halen, praised him effusively for the album "Fair Warning". Before then, he had mistaken Van Halen for more of an Ac/Dc type of simple blues rock band.
You aren't much of a hard rock or metal enthusiast, so it's hard for me to reccomend things like the aforementioned album. But listen to, for example, the solo guitar intro of the song "Mean Street", and hear perhaps the most ferociously original invention in rock guitar history, one that probably hasn't been equalled since. Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2R2KXNQR1M
Note to self - listen to early Japanese Fair Warning CD, ASAP. $:)
Quote from: George on September 15, 2010, 12:17:25 PM
Note to self - listen to early Japanese Fair Warning CD, ASAP. $:)
Japanese Van Halen?
*pokes head in; wags tongue*
Quote from: Scarpia on September 15, 2010, 12:38:57 PM
van Halen-san.
Ah, Eddie guitar make loud noise, grashoppa.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 15, 2010, 12:28:59 PM
Japanese Van Halen?
Yes, the best (sounding, that is) kind. 8)
Quote from: AndyD. on September 15, 2010, 08:33:27 AM
Zappa, when first meeting Edward Van Halen, praised him effusively for the album "Fair Warning". Before then, he had mistaken Van Halen for more of an Ac/Dc type of simple blues rock band.
Mistake is right, I'm afraid. EVH is an amazing technician, but Angus Young is musical in a more satisfying way to me. He knows what not to play. It doesn't matter that he "can't" play it (for some types of "it"). Back in the '70s I had a bad reaction to EVH (and to Brian May for similar reasons) even while I was trying to learn his tricks. Simply put, he never learned how to play the blues. You might think that wouldn't matter, but there are times when the emptiness of a Van Halen comes out. In the case of Zappa, a composer of considerable depth, he could use someone like Vai for what he couldn't do himself, though I can't imagine anything with Vai being as good as what Zappa did for himself as a guitarist.
Quote from: drogulus on September 17, 2010, 01:40:07 PM
Mistake is right, I'm afraid. EVH is an amazing technician, but Angus Young is musical in a more satisfying way to me. He knows what not to play. It doesn't matter that he "can't" play it (for some types of "it"). Back in the '70s I had a bad reaction to EVH (and to Brian May for similar reasons) even while I was trying to learn his tricks. Simply put, he never learned how to play the blues. You might think that wouldn't matter, but there are times when the emptiness of a Van Halen comes out. In the case of Zappa, a composer of considerable depth, he could use someone like Vai for what he couldn't do himself, though I can't imagine anything with Vai being as good as what Zappa did for himself as a guitarist.
I disagree with your analysis on EVH. He was a technician to some degree, but he was so musical. Emptiness? Are you kidding me? Eddie played with alot of heart or else he couldn't have played the way he did. He practically influenced a whole generation of younger players to get away from the blues-based rock music that had become tiresome to many rock fans. I mean, sure, there may have been times when he was just burning licks, but when Eddie was
on he was
on in a big way. Angus Young I'm afraid does nothing for me, but then again, I have never liked AC/DC anyway. I always thought they were musically stale and their style didn't appeal to me. I admire musicianship and Van Halen delieved that in spades.
Fair Warning and
1984 are my favorite recordings by VH. I didn't like the Hagar era at all. I thought Eddie ran out of steam by this time. When the tension of the band was gone (Roth leaving), the band lost its edge in my opinion.
All of this said, I was never a big fan of VH that much. My tastes in rock music were always geared towards the progressive and alternative groups, but to make assertions that EVH was nothing more than an empty technician shows great ignorance not only on your part, but to all those younger players he influenced who did
hear heart in his playing.
Rock and Metal (indeed, Popular Music in general) are often the music genres most subject to individual taste. I tend to rate guitar players according to a) how much they move me and b) how much originality they brought to the guitar world. Angus Young has many solos that really rock me and give me chills, I think he is extraordinary. He has an extremely basic playing style, but he can make the hairs on your arm stand straight up. I love his old rock n roll style, and AC/DC can be a wonderfully entertaining band that often rocks harder than anyone in history.
Edward Van Halen is a different animal. Before him, the innovators were Jeff Beck, Ritchie Blackmore, Tony Iommi. After him, there were no innovators; and though there were many many excellent players, nobody actually originated a whole sound, and incorporated multiple techniques, like Edward did. And he was certainly capable of playing with heart: check out the solos to "Unchained", "Right Now", "Dreams".
Again, alot of this is subjective.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 20, 2010, 02:28:25 AM
Edward Van Halen is a different animal. Before him, the innovators were Jeff Beck, Ritchie Blackmore, Tony Iommi. After him, there were no innovators; and though there were many many excellent players, nobody actually originated a whole sound, and incorporated multiple techniques, like Edward did. And he was certainly capable of playing with heart: check out the solos to "Unchained", "Right Now", "Dreams".
To state that there weren't any innovators after EVH is pretty inaccurate. You don't think The Edge was an innovative player? The Edge practically invented his own sound that many guitarists copied. I think there was still some innovation left after EVH as The Edge exemplifies. Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore and Lee Renaldo invented their own sound that, again, many tried to imitate. I consider these types of guitarists reactionaries. They disliked all of the crazy pyrotechnics of EVH and his clones, so they had to find their own style and a lot of this came from realizing what their limitations were as players.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 20, 2010, 07:19:26 PM
To state that there weren't any innovators after EVH is pretty inaccurate. You don't think The Edge was an innovative player? The Edge practically invented his own sound that many guitarists copied. I think there was still some innovation left after EVH as The Edge exemplifies. Sonic Youth's Thurston Moore and Lee Renaldo invented their own sound that, again, many tried to imitate. I consider these types of guitarists reactionaries. They disliked all of the crazy pyrotechnics of EVH and his clones, so they had to find their own style and a lot of this came from realizing what their limitations were as players.
Being that quite a bit of this conversation is unavoidably subjective, I'm going to respectfully disagree.
We could go on for ages about this, vive le difference.(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/eusa_wall.gif)
Quote from: AndyD. on September 21, 2010, 01:24:51 AM
Being that quite a bit of this conversation is unavoidably subjective, I'm going to respectfully disagree.
We could go on for ages about this, vive le difference.(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/Apostate_2006/eusa_wall.gif)
I don't think I'm being subjective, I'm being objective. You can read rock history books and the actual history does acknowledge The Edge and Sonic Youth as important exponents in the development of rock music.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 21, 2010, 09:21:10 AM
I don't think I'm being subjective, I'm being objective. You can read rock history books and the actual history does acknowledge The Edge and Sonic Youth as important exponents in the development of rock music.
Again, I respect your opinion, and you. And I imagine that U2 and Sonic Youth are important in Rock music. But, the Edge (from an accomplished guitarist's perspective) mostly only added a very heavily echoed guitar sound, one that he himself admits he stumbled on. His guitar style rhythmically isn't much different from something you'd hear on Led Zeppelin III.
Sonic Youth...I listened to their stuff alot back in the early 90's. They had very good songs. Guitar wise, again this is coming from someone whom is working with some big names in guitar rock, hard rock...the guitar playing isn't much different from what came before them. There are no new techniques from a lead guitar perspective, and I've heard their tones and much of the rhythms in other bands preceeding. Again, I mean absolutely no offense. Obviously both bands had and have alot going for them, and alot of people have been rightfully inspired by them.
As you can guess, there's really no need to defend Edward Van Halen, Sonic Youth, U2, etc. Their music, and success, speaks for itself.
When you write that you're being objective, and referring to books or magazines...you'd have to compare the opinion of a musician, composer, and co-producer whom has worked with worldwide phenomena like Jeff Pilson, Tommy Heart, Veronica Freeman, Graham Bonnet, and Ken Kelly to the opinions of people that write history; the latter have 99.9% of the time failed in their own endeavors in the entertainment world, and utilised their journalism degree to fall back on after they failed. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I'm not trying to be harsh, but that's the accepted truth amongst musicians on the inside. Critics and historians rarely have the musician's resume to back up what they say. They are outsiders, who write mostly to outsiders. To insiders, the biggest guitar phenomena in the past 35 years has been far and away Van Halen. I understand that you don't like him much, but ask most rock guitar players whom have recorded something significant, and they'll agree with me. Hey, I don't like Jimi Hendrix much, but I most certainly agree that he was a MASSIVELY influential rock guitar player.
Again, I mean this with no offense or disrespect meant in the least.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 20, 2010, 02:28:25 AM
Edward Van Halen is a different animal. Before him, the innovators were Jeff Beck, Ritchie Blackmore, Tony Iommi. After him, there were no innovators; and though there were many many excellent players, nobody actually originated a whole sound, and incorporated multiple techniques, like Edward did.
What about the guitarists for Tool and Radiohead? (just asking, as I am
no expert in this area)
Quote from: George on September 21, 2010, 10:47:13 AM
What about the guitarists for Tool and Radiohead? (just asking, as I am no expert in this area)
Very cool guitarists and guitar playing. Tool were very creative in the same way the Edge was, with interesting effects. And of course Radiohead had very interesting songs. Obviously, all the players mentioned , here and in Mirror Image's posts, were
extremely creative.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 21, 2010, 10:51:03 AM
Very cool guitarists and guitar playing. Tool were very creative in the same way the Edge was, with interesting effects.
But surely the guy from Tool has more technical skill? I always thought the Edge (I feel so weird calling a man that) was mostly effects.
Quote from: George on September 21, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
But surely the guy from Tool has more technical skill? I always thought the Edge (I feel so weird calling a man that) was mostly effects.
I remember no impressive solos from Edge, he just knew how to layer different riffs to create the characteristic U2 sound. I found "New Years Day" very impressive from that point of view. Impossible to define the song other than as a bass line, but it created a very distinctive impression.
I never "got" EVH. He definitely increased the notes per second that could be achieved, but to what end? "Jump?"
Quote from: Scarpia on September 21, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
I remember no impressive solos from Edge, he just knew how to layer different riffs to create the characteristic U2 sound. I found "New Years Day" very impressive from that point of view. Impossible to define the song other than as a bass line, but it created a very distinctive impression.
I never "got" EVH. He definitely increased the notes per second that could be achieved, but to what end? "Jump?"
New Year's Day very cool song. And I agree as to your assessment of the Edge.
The Jump solo is brilliant, he played that guitar solo to contrast with the keyboard solo that followed it. The guitar solo is quirly, edgy, edge-of-the-seat, while the keyboard solo is more classical, "learned". A stunning achievement in popular music.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 21, 2010, 11:05:15 AM
New Year's Day very cool song. And I agree as to your assessment of the Edge.
The Jump solo is brilliant, he played that guitar solo to contrast with the keyboard solo that followed it. The guitar solo is quirly, edgy, edge-of-the-seat, while the keyboard solo is more classical, "learned". A stunning achievement in popular music.
Just watched the video for "Jump." Ain't the modern world wonderful. Even in 1984 I would have had to watch MTV for at least 20 minutes before they would get around to playing "Jump" again.
Yes, the solo was impressive, but shorter than I remembered. Seems like such a gargantuan ego should rest on something more substantial. And David Lee Roth. What an ass!
Quote from: Scarpia on September 21, 2010, 11:13:08 AM
And David Lee Roth. What an ass!
You're right. But people seem to love clowns...look at Kiss.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 21, 2010, 11:15:18 AM
You're right. But people seem to love clowns...look at Kiss.
Don't get me wrong, Ross was great fun to watch. Can't say the same about Kiss.
The only guitarists that I really enjoy watching are the dudes from Dragonforce.
http://www.youtube.com/v/0jgrCKhxE1s
Maybe someone should stick this stuff in a guitar thread.
Quote from: Scarpia on September 21, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
I never "got" EVH. He definitely increased the notes per second that could be achieved, but to what end? "Jump?"
I always loved him. I love his work on "Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do" from
Balance.
Quote from: George on September 21, 2010, 11:23:46 AM
I always loved him. I love his work on "Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do" from Balance.
I'm afraid if it wasn't on MTV during a certain 4 year window, I don't know it. :(
Quote from: Scarpia on September 21, 2010, 11:31:21 AM
I'm afraid if it wasn't on MTV during a certain 4 year window, I don't know it. :(
Now there's a scary thought! ; )
Quote from: AndyD. on September 21, 2010, 11:15:18 AM
You're right. But people seem to love clowns...look at Kiss.
Surgically done.
He isn't just playing leads. He's playing tasty rhythm too.
Quote from: AndyD. on September 21, 2010, 10:36:34 AM
Sonic Youth...I listened to their stuff alot back in the early 90's. They had very good songs. Guitar wise, again this is coming from someone whom is working with some big names in guitar rock, hard rock...the guitar playing isn't much different from what came before them. There are no new techniques from a lead guitar perspective, and I've heard their tones and much of the rhythms in other bands preceeding. Again, I mean absolutely no offense. Obviously both bands had and have alot going for them, and alot of people have been rightfully inspired by them.
Have you ever listened to any of their avant-garde albums (such as their SYR albums)?
Quote from: Greg on September 21, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
Have you ever listened to any of their avant-garde albums (such as their SYR albums)?
I like some of that. Stil. There was something creepy cool that I heard...Tremes?
Quote from: AndyD. on September 21, 2010, 10:36:34 AMI'm not trying to be harsh, but that's the accepted truth amongst musicians on the inside. Critics and historians rarely have the musician's resume to back up what they say. They are outsiders, who write mostly to outsiders. To insiders, the biggest guitar phenomena in the past 35 years has been far and away Van Halen. I understand that you don't like him much, but ask most rock guitar players whom have recorded something significant, and they'll agree with me. Hey, I don't like Jimi Hendrix much, but I most certainly agree that he was a MASSIVELY influential rock guitar player.
Again, I mean this with no offense or disrespect meant in the least.
I guess me playing guitar for 20 years doesn't make me an "insider" or a musician does it? ::)
I never said that I didn't like Eddie's playing. I think he's a really fine rock player, but he wasn't the last innovator of the guitar. That's my agrument and I'm sticking to it. :D
Quote from: AndyD. on September 21, 2010, 04:30:42 PM
I like some of that. Stil. There was something creepy cool that I heard...Tremes?
Actually, it's been a while since I've listened. I remember them being really interesting, though.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 21, 2010, 06:57:07 PM
I never said that I didn't like Eddie's playing. I think he's a really fine rock player, but he wasn't the last innovator of the guitar. That's my agrument and I'm sticking to it. :D
Me, too. That's kind of looking at it really, really, broadly... almost on the level of, like, "oh, that's atonal... Schoenberg already did that." Or: listening to Feldman and saying, "huh! What a Webern wannabe!" :D
Quote from: Greg on September 22, 2010, 01:48:54 PMMe, too. That's kind of looking at it really, really, broadly... almost on the level of, like, "oh, that's atonal... Schoenberg already did that." Or: listening to Feldman and saying, "huh! What a Webern wannabe!" :D
Exactly, guitar still was changing and there were many different players post-EVH that brought about those changes and regardless if Andy agrees with me or not The Edge was one of them. He wasn't about technique. In fact, he barely knew how to play guitar when U2 were first formed. You don't have to have technique to be innovative. What he did do is bring in more textural possiblilities that weren't heard before into rock music like the his incredible usage of stereo delays. The stereo delay's popularity is now associated with The Edge. I've heard other guitarists who are well established tell me if I want to get The Edge's guitar tone, then I need stereo delay, because he brought this type of delay to forefront of rock guitar and did innovative things with it. Many people have tried to copy
These are all excellent points and really well written posts.
To each his own! Everybody has their favorites!
Quote from: AndyD. on September 23, 2010, 02:21:45 AM
These are all excellent points and really well written posts.
To each his own! Everybody has their favorites!
Actually, The Edge and Sonic Youth's guitarists aren't my favorite rock players. As I may have mentioned, my preference for rock music is progressive rock (Pink Floyd, early Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Marillion, etc.). As far as I'm concerned, David Gilmour can play four notes and for me it means a hell of a lot more than EVH's 20 notes.
Quote from: Greg on September 22, 2010, 01:48:54 PMWhat a Webern wannabe!" :D
I Webern wannabe. The thought boggles the mind.
Welcome back Andy. :)