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Title: Amazingly strange, funny, amusing, interesting, scene about Beethoven
Post by: Saul on October 10, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
Holy Mac!!!

He calls ugly beautiful!!!


What's your take on it?


http://www.youtube.com/v/G-kVb9xfHVA&feature=related
Title: Re: Amazingly strange, funny, amusing, interesting, scene about Beethoven
Post by: Josquin des Prez on October 10, 2010, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: Saul on October 10, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
What's your take on it?

Populist trash. He speaks of guts during a period when Beethoven was at his most lucid, and least impulsive. The entire aesthetic ideal of western art is to transcend our bodies to achieve something greater, something eternal. And here's some brainless director abusing history to propagate some anti-intellectual, primitivist screed. As if the horrors of 20th "entertainment" wasn't proof enough of what happens when the "visceral" takes control over mind and the soul. What a disgusting film.

Ho, and while i understand the need to demystify Beethoven's deafness, which wasn't as sudden as people think, i'm pretty sure by the time he wrote the fugue his hearing was already quite gone, enough that he wouldn't be able to converse with people, or hear his own music.
Title: Re: Amazingly strange, funny, amusing, interesting, scene about Beethoven
Post by: Saul on October 10, 2010, 08:37:22 PM
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on October 10, 2010, 08:13:10 PM
Populist trash. He speaks of guts during a period when Beethoven was at his most lucid, and least impulsive. The entire aesthetic ideal of western art is to transcend our bodies to achieve something greater, something eternal. And here's some brainless director abusing history to populated some anti-intellectual, primitivist screed. As if the horrors of 20th "entertainment" wasn't proof enough of what happens when the "visceral" takes control over mind and the soul. What a disgusting film.

Ho, and while i understand the need to demystify Beethoven's deafness, which wasn't as sudden as people think, i'm pretty sure by the time he wrote the fugue his hearing was already quite gone, enough that he wouldn't be able to converse with people, or hear his own music.

Yes the director made him look like a major fool...
Title: Re: Amazingly strange, funny, amusing, interesting, scene about Beethoven
Post by: Philoctetes on October 10, 2010, 08:48:43 PM
That movie was terrible, but Kruger was hot.
Title: Re: Amazingly strange, funny, amusing, interesting, scene about Beethoven
Post by: DavidW on October 11, 2010, 07:51:38 AM
Quote from: Philoctetes on October 10, 2010, 08:48:43 PM
That movie was terrible, but Kruger was hot.

Precisely. :)  Wasn't she Helen in Troy?  One topless scene later and war breaks loose. ;D
Title: Re: Amazingly strange, funny, amusing, interesting, scene about Beethoven
Post by: Philoctetes on October 11, 2010, 07:52:10 AM
Quote from: DavidW on October 11, 2010, 07:51:38 AM
Precisely. :)  Wasn't she Helen in Troy?  One topless scene later and war breaks loose. ;D

She was indeed Helen.  8)