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Title: Beatles' White Album
Post by: AndyD. on January 09, 2011, 07:19:57 AM
I've decided to go back and explore my favorite Beatles' album (been over 25 years since I did). Which CD reissue is the best sounding? Best extras? Any help is deeply appreciated.
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: karlhenning on January 09, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
Well, I've got both the monaural and stereo remasters, and they're both splendid. "Revolution 9" particularly surprised me in mono, somehow.  I think it's the stereo reissue which has a video extra, but I haven't watched it yet.
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: AndyD. on January 09, 2011, 07:33:20 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 09, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
Well, I've got both the monaural and stereo remasters, and they're both splendid. "Revolution 9" particularly surprised me in mono, somehow.  I think it's the stereo reissue which has a video extra, but I haven't watched it yet.


Is that the 2009 reissue, Karl?
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 09:05:18 AM
34 pages of discussion here, Ange:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=193406&highlight=white+album

and another thread that may interest you here:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=234340&highlight=white+album
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: AndyD. on January 09, 2011, 09:15:44 AM
Quote from: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 09:05:18 AM
34 pages of discussion here, Ange:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=193406&highlight=white+album

and another thread that may interest you here:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=234340&highlight=white+album

Thanks, Bill, looks like the 2009 remaster stereo is the way togo (I'll eventually get the vinyl as well, had it back in the early '80s).
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: Bogey on January 09, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: AndyD. on January 09, 2011, 09:15:44 AM
Thanks, Bill, looks like the 2009 remaster stereo is the way togo (I'll eventually get the vinyl as well, had it back in the early '80s).

I believe that it looks like it is between that one and the mono remaster.  George will pipe in soon and has heard them both, I believe.
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: George on January 09, 2011, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: AndyD. on January 09, 2011, 09:15:44 AM
Thanks, Bill, looks like the 2009 remaster stereo is the way togo (I'll eventually get the vinyl as well, had it back in the early '80s).

I wouldn't buy the 2009 stereo remaster, as I find the bass to be bloated and the overall sound was needlessly compressed. For example, Long, Long, Long is much louder than it was before. The original CD should be very easy to find, not to mention dirt cheap.

The mono 2009 is nice, but only comes in the mono box.
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: AndyD. on January 09, 2011, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: George on January 09, 2011, 01:33:18 PM
I wouldn't buy the 2009 stereo remaster, as I find the bass to be bloated and the overall sound was needlessly compressed. For example, Long, Long, Long is much louder than it was before. The original CD should be very easy to find, not to mention dirt cheap.

The mono 2009 is nice, but only comes in the mono box.

I was hoping you'd show up, George.

Also thinking about buying the 2009 Revolver remaster.
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: George on January 09, 2011, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: AndyD. on January 09, 2011, 02:50:45 PM
I was hoping you'd show up, George.

Also thinking about buying the 2009 Revolver remaster.

I don't really like most of the stereo remasters, as they sound too processed to me. The earlier masterings had their flaws, but they sound more natural to me. If you want samples of each, just PM me.

Revolver really should be experienced in mono, IMO.

Also, Beatledrops is a cool site where you can compare the various available issues of Beatles stuff: http://www.beatledrops.com/ He has samples of all the original (1987) masterings and 2009 remasters.
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: DavidRoss on January 10, 2011, 08:14:35 AM
You just sent me through the way-back machine to 1968, Andy!  I still remember the excitement of the White album release and listening to it over and over again for the next few days.  Hearing it takes me back forty years, when the world seemed so fresh and new and full of promise and possibility...damn but we were innocent!

I have the CDs from 1987.  Typical of early digital, they are thin-sounding, tinnier than the LPs.  Note that sound fidelity wasn't a priority for the original recordings, however.  I haven't heard the later remasters, but George is probably right about the superiority of the mono sound.  Word is that the engineers cooked the stereo set a bit hot in keeping with today's fetish for high-compression maximum dB dreck.  Perversion of quality like that makes me doubt the value of the entire project, but I haven't heard it so have no opinion.
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: karlhenning on January 10, 2011, 08:21:06 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on January 10, 2011, 08:14:35 AM
You just sent me through the way-back machine to 1968, Andy!

Until this week, Dave, I should not have recognized that as an allusion to Peabody's Improbable History!
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: AndyD. on January 10, 2011, 08:26:41 AM
Way-back with the "Way Outs":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obyuyajrz9g
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: DavidRoss on January 10, 2011, 08:27:37 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 10, 2011, 08:21:06 AM
Until this week, Dave, I should not have recognized that as an allusion to Peabody's Improbable History!
Improbable as it may have been, the lesson that the past might not have been exactly as depicted in history books was worth learning.  My favorite segment of the show, then and now.

(http://www.toonopedia.com/peabody.jpg)
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: DavidRoss on January 10, 2011, 08:29:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/iU8TbLza3qY
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: AndyD. on January 10, 2011, 08:34:00 AM



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHqy-chPMnM
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: karlhenning on January 10, 2011, 08:44:02 AM
Jeepers?

— That's an expression all children in cartoons use.


Fort Heathen. Love it!
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: Szykneij on January 12, 2011, 09:46:02 AM
Being snowed in for the day gave me some rare free time so I decided to finally digitize my Beatles vinyl and, motivated by this thread, I started with the White Album. It's been a long time since I listened to this album and I forgot or never realized a few things about it.
  It contains a lot more music, timewise, than most albums of the period (making it impossible to fit both records on one music cd-r.) All of the tracks either blend into the next one or start immediately after the previous one ends, making the process of copying to CD a bit more challenging. For some reason, I thought Abbey Road was their only album that did this.
  I never noticed that Yoko Ono sings in the background of some of the tunes, either.
  "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", "Martha My Dear", and "Julia" remain my favorite cuts.
I think my Beatles vinyl collection is close to complete, but I've never had the urge to update it with CDs except for a few of the re-issued compilations. These recordings are as important to me personally as much as they are musically, so all of those familiar pops and clicks are sort of like old friends (which will now be digitally preserved forever).

(http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/tax-credit-jeepers-this-is-a-life-saver.jpg)
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: karlhenning on January 12, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: Szykniej on January 12, 2011, 09:46:02 AM
  I never noticed that Yoko Ono sings in the background of some of the tunes, either.

Gosh, Tony, where besides "Not when he looked so fierce" &c. on "The Continuing Adventures of B.B"?
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: Szykneij on January 12, 2011, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 12, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Gosh, Tony, where besides "Not when he looked so fierce" &c. on "The Continuing Adventures of B.B"?

You can hear her voice on "Birthday" and also in "Revolution 9". Not much, really, but too much for me.

It turns out Linda McCartney was the only Beatle wife not to sing on the album. Check out this trivia site:

http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Music/White-Album-12431.html (http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Music/White-Album-12431.html)
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: Daverz on January 12, 2011, 12:49:04 PM
I was thinking of getting the Mono box, but realized that I'm not all that excited by this material.  I do have all of it on vinyl, though not always the best pressings (only a Capitol Rubber Soul and my Revolver is a nasty sounding late pressing.
Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on January 12, 2011, 08:05:51 PM
Quote from: Szykniej on January 12, 2011, 11:21:19 AM
You can hear her voice on "Birthday".....

Is Yoko the female voice singing the actual line "Birthday" in Birthday? If so, I never made that connection before! Yet somehow I'm not convinced it's actually her. The female singing that line sounds much more like a tried and true singer.

Besides, Birthday is a Paul song and the White Album is notorious for being a collection of solo cuts from each Beatle who employed studio musicians as backup. 

Anyway, not that this is life or death or anything but that's an odd bit of trivia...

Title: Re: Beatles' White Album
Post by: drogulus on January 12, 2011, 09:28:42 PM
     I have a 24/96 "needle drop" of the White Album taken from a Japanese MoFi edition.......so there!! it sounds like the definitive mix to me.