Trust, but verify.
Y'know, 'they' can 'un'Delete that Post,... can't...'they'? I mean, just to totally clear his name of course, cause he didn't... do anyo...thing...
There's one very creepy sneer/smile in the Bret Baier interview,... but that's beside the point...
Did Andrew Jackson have... peccadillos?
If he did it, no harm will be done to him? Because...
I was watching that Dana Bash public interview yesterday, and I think this was at the time when everyone pretty well believed that the 'hacking' thing might be the answer, AND THEN!! :o,... you'll have to forgive me,... did anyone else see this exchange? Is there a body language, guilty/not-guilty expert out there, cause it seemed to me like Weiner was certainly ACTING like someone who had just done a baaaad thing,... and every interview since is ever more cringe worthy. He just seems to working every single Play-by-Play from the Scheming Schyster's Handbook... so forgive me if I question the veracity of the words coming from his lips. Doesn't he know how to act innocent?
Didn't some guy just resign for... what?
"I did not have sex with that woman..."
yeah, yeah
I was really a pic of Hillary's shorts!! ;)
What is this thread about????? Would anybody care to translate?
Quote from: The new erato on June 01, 2011, 11:43:33 PM
What is this thread about????? Would anybody care to translate?
A picture of a politician was sent from his twitter account. He says the account was hacked. He's not answering questions directly, though he has hired a private firm to look into it. It is not clear if the person to whom he sent the picture knew him. The picture was of him in his underwear. That's the short version and I'm sure you are now wishing you hadn't asked! ;D
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 02, 2011, 12:05:00 AM
A picture of a politician was sent from his twitter account. He says the account was hacked. He's not answering questions directly, though he has hired a private firm to look into it. It is not clear if the person to whom he sent the picture knew him. The picture was of him in his underwear. That's the short version and I'm sure you are now wishing you hadn't asked! ;D
Usually I'm grateful that I don't understand snips' posts, but this was so damn confusing I simply couldn't disregard the possibility that there simply
had to be something there, but; I should have known better. Now away to do something useful, I have some newly painted walls were I need to watch the paint dry.
Edit: If it included underwear; shouldn't it be Wienergate?
Quote from: The new erato on June 02, 2011, 12:11:47 AM
Edit: If it included underwear; shouldn't it be Wienergate?
The politician's name is Anthony Weiner, but it is pronounced like "wiener".
Why is this guy acting guilty? I don't think he sent the picture to the woman who received it, but the picture is him, and that embarrasses him. He should have said "That's me, but I didn't send it to her. Someone is screwing with me." The story would be over. It's the old Watergate lesson again: the cover-up gets you, and it gets you just as bad if it's something else you're covering up.
It does seem unfair that Weiner should be made vulnerable to the pestilential Andrew Breitbart. Unfair but also unnecessary. It pains me to see someone so smart acting so dumb.
Quote from: drogulus on June 02, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
Why is this guy acting guilty? I don't think he sent the picture to the woman who received it, but the picture is him, and that embarrasses him. He should have said "That's me, but I didn't send it to her. Someone is screwing with me." The story would be over. It's the old Watergate lesson again: the cover-up gets you, and it gets you just as bad if it's something else you're covering up.
It does seem unfair that Weiner should be made vulnerable to the pestilential Andrew Breitbart. Unfair but also unnecessary. It pains me to see someone so smart acting so dumb ("stupid is as stupid does").
Oh c'mon,.. is he really
Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm?
If...if...if there was every an honest politician,... and, did I say "if"?,... then, I am just so sure, there would be a militia of Character Assassins assigned to this person, to figure out some chink in the amour, some weak spot, so that they could set up,... oh, let's say a sexual tryst,... and then blackmail that politician,... no?
What do 'they' have on Peter King, that he acts the way he does? I wouldn't be surprised to find BoyLove lurking somewhere deep dark in them thar Shadows.
Look, seriously, if it's not the money/power, then it's gonna be the sex. Isn't that a fact of the universe?
I mean, look at Gingrich's wife,... you rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreally think he's down wit dat? Really?? :-\ Of course,... look at Newt, haha!! :o :-X
Perhaps Wiener's marriage is a political one (Huma + Hillary sittin in a tree????),... I know, I know, you're gonna say something, but,... haven't stranger things happened?
Haven't stranger things happened?
Why do we always act like "oh no, it can't be so,... not with MY guy"?
C'mon,... really? It's just becoming painfully clear that in order to 'work' in the higher ups of the guv, you've GOT to have yer Freak Creds. Bohemian Grove, et al. (oh, please don't pull the Conspiracy Card on that one).
Maybe I just understand WHY he would do something like this. If I, at my puny level, in my life, have had... well, let's just say I haven't, to my shame, lived my life as a prude,... then, since Power Corrupts, I can only imagine what someone with 'aspirations',... and the MEANS,... could accomplish from their imagination.
I tire of the "How could they ever keep such a secret secret?" line,... secrets can be kept, at least to the point where no one cares anymore. Arnie's thing was kept secret until HE told his wife, no? I don't remember seeing LoveChild rumors in the Inquirer in the last 10 years.
Question: Why do we believe what people in power say,... ever?Sure, maybe just by coincidence, some things they say just may happen to be true, but,.... really,.... c'mon.
At this point, it seems moot as to whether or not he did ANYTHING. His reaction, and "guilty acting" has shown him up to be quite creepy in its own right,... sorry, I believe Bad Acting IS a fireable offence.
Quote from: snyprrr on June 01, 2011, 09:23:25 PM
He just seems to working every single Play-by-Play from the Scheming Schyster's Handbook... so forgive me if I question the veracity of the words coming from his lips. Doesn't he know how to act innocent?
Good to see some healthy anti-semitism here.
Snips, tell me. Do you put bandaids on your knuckles before going out?
Quote from: snyprrr on June 03, 2011, 08:50:14 AM
Oh c'mon,.. is he really Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm?
No, he isn't. He doesn't have to be either. I don't think we should try to convict politicians (or anyone else) of whatever they're ashamed of.
WienerGate = Watergate
Clever.
Was it his just his underwear or...? :-X
Forget Weinergate. Who was the 'under-the-table' contributor who was willing to provide $925,000 to pay for the cover-up of John Edwards' mistress? Must have been a true idealist. :P
Quote from: snyprrr on June 01, 2011, 09:23:25 PM
Trust, but verify.
Y'know, 'they' can 'un'Delete that Post,... can't...'they'? I mean, just to totally clear his name of course, cause he didn't... do anyo...thing...
There's one very creepy sneer/smile in the Bret Baier interview,... but that's beside the point...
Did Andrew Jackson have... peccadillos?
If he did it, no harm will be done to him? Because...
I was watching that Dana Bash public interview yesterday, and I think this was at the time when everyone pretty well believed that the 'hacking' thing might be the answer, AND THEN!! :o,... you'll have to forgive me,... did anyone else see this exchange? Is there a body language, guilty/not-guilty expert out there, cause it seemed to me like Weiner was certainly ACTING like someone who had just done a baaaad thing,... and every interview since is ever more cringe worthy. He just seems to working every single Play-by-Play from the Scheming Schyster's Handbook... so forgive me if I question the veracity of the words coming from his lips. Doesn't he know how to act innocent?
Didn't some guy just resign for... what?
"I did not have sex with that woman..."
yeah, yeah
I'm just sayin' ::)
I'd like to hear from anyone who believed AW last week. What was your motivation for belief? It just seemed so open and shut. I need to know. I am not a partisan on either side,... I just really believe the ALL lie (even Ron Paul). Why don't you (whoever you are)? Have they not proved it over and over and over again?
THEY ALL LIE!! ALL ALL ALL
Quote from: snyprrr on June 06, 2011, 05:55:05 PM
I'm just sayin' ::)
I'd like to hear from anyone who believed AW last week. What was your motivation for belief? It just seemed so open and shut. I need to know. I am not a partisan on either side,... I just really believe the ALL lie (even Ron Paul). Why don't you (whoever you are)? Have they not proved it over and over and over again?
THEY ALL LIE!! ALL ALL ALL
I'm not sure anyone believed him, but some people were not interested, and may continue not to be interested. He could have kept more people in that category by telling the truth to begin with.
Of course, a solution even simpler than telling the truth would have been to turn off the webcam and go have sex with his wife.
Only in America. In Australia, this guy would be gaining votes. "Yeah, alright, he's a stud!"
We had a candidate for Prime Minister here a few years ago who I'm sure only gained credibility from once punching out a cabby. Of course, he did turn out later to be nuts...
Sadly, the Right here are doing their best to make Australian politics more American, with more hysterical hate-mongering and outright lies.
Has any politician tried the "outright truth" gimmick of late? Like, "Sorry this answer isn't making more sense, but I was out drinking last night" kind of truth?
Quote from: Herman on June 03, 2011, 11:11:13 AM
Good to see some healthy anti-semitism here.
Snips, tell me. Do you put bandaids on your knuckles before going out?
Not at all, my dear Herman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shyster
It is by mere coincidence that Weiner is a Jewish lawyer (if he is a lawyer?)! ;)
Also, keep in mind that Arabs are of Semitic origin too. I know that that minor fact gets in the way of Zionist victim posturing, but hey, into every life a little rain must fall. And let's not get into who is an Edomite and who isn't. I know for a fact this is the only topic on planet earth one is not allowed to question or discuss or anything. Remember, last week Netanyahu, to the whole world, said he spoke for all Jews, i.e., if you do not tow MY line, you are either an anti-semite, or a self loathing jew. So, what, are my creds moot? Who's the anti-semite?
Oy vey, Herman, why don't we just start the Jewish Question Thread and just be done with the hinting? yeesh!!
I'm sorry if I'm not one of those "everything's anti-semitism" Jews. All sex is rape, btw. Only the devil has blue eyes, etc.,...
Hey, I'm sorry, I just couldn't think of the goy word for shyster. :-[ :-* What is it, for future reference?
In a way, this reminds me of what it was like talking to certain female lovers of mine in the past. If I related a story of my day, and there happened to be a person (or animal) with a vagina in the story, well, let me tell you, all of a sudden I was cheating,... so, I learned to turn everyone in my stories into a male. So, I'm sorry I used a 'bad' word, Herman, and just remember that, if you ever hear me tell a story in the future, you'll never know now if the person I'm talking about is a jew or not. I do this to protect you, Herman, from,... is it?... YOUR antisemitism??????? Is it antisemetic for a jew to use the word shyster??
I only go on, because these days, calling out someone as an 'antisemite' seems to be the worst thing you can possibly say about someone (unless of course it's an "antisemitic pedophiliac"). Is it antiseme to criticize ANY aspect of the State of Israel?? Some certainly believe so.
Shall I change the Thread Title, Herman, and get us all barred?? ???
anti-semitism, indeed. >:D
Weiner's a weiner, pffft. For once, just let a jew fall without calling anyone The Name (is it Hashem, or AntiSem????).
RANT: off
my brain aches
Having seen the other pictures just now on the news - I must say that it's nice to know that a few politicians actually have okay bodies. Although the "showbusiness for ugly people" wittery still seems to predominate.
Quote from: eyeresist on June 07, 2011, 02:13:03 AMIn Australia, this guy would be gaining votes. "Yeah, alright, he's a stud!"
I'm not sure this is something to celebrate.
I would have thought politicians were, or should be, elected at least partly based on their judgment. Mr Weiner's actions do not show good judgment, nor does his response to the situation. I would think that the Democrats may want to field a new candidate for his seat in 2012. They probably should.
I have no doubt the Democrats would like nothing better than for him to go away. Pelosi has called for an ethic probe. But since he has apparently done nothing illegal, it is up for him to resign. I wonder if he really imagines that his political career is not over.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 07, 2011, 11:09:20 AMBut since he has apparently done nothing illegal, it is up for him to resign.
I'm not advocating that he resigns - I don't care either way, really - but with reelection just a year away, he seems something of a liability for the Democrats. Surely someone else will challenge him in his own party; the democrats can't possibly want to have such a solidly blue seat go red. (I looked up some of the election results, and in 2006 Weiner looks to have ran unopposed. Talk about a lock for the Dems.)
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 07, 2011, 11:09:20 AM
I have no doubt the Democrats would like nothing better than for him to go away. Pelosi has called for an ethic probe. But since he has apparently done nothing illegal, it is up for him to resign. I wonder if he really imagines that his political career is not over.
Actually, watching the NYC news last night, they interviewed several of his constituents and every one was very positive about him. They were like 'his sex life and his job are entirely separate. He is doing an excellent job for us, so we don't care'. That is frightfully practical and pragmatic for Americans. Kinda scary. :o
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Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 07, 2011, 11:09:20 AM
I have no doubt the Democrats would like nothing better than for him to go away. Pelosi has called for an ethic probe. But since he has apparently done nothing illegal, it is up for him to resign. I wonder if he really imagines that his political career is not over.
Mark Sanford, Larry Craig, John Ensign, and David Vitter did not resign from office in the wake of their sex scandals (Ensign only resigned the day before being forced to testify before the Ethics Committee). Vitter was re-elected. Why should Wiener resign over this? Democrats always throw their own under the bus like this. It's pathetic.
Quote from: Daverz on June 07, 2011, 11:29:40 AM
Mark Sanford, Larry Craig, John Ensign, and David Vitter did not resign from office in the wake of their sex scandals (Ensign only resigned the day before being forced to testify before the Ethics Committee). Vitter was re-elected. Why should Wiener resign over this? Democrats always throw their own under the bus like this. It's pathetic.
The problem is he came off as an idiot as well as a perverted, pathetic, creepy internet stalker. If he can get elected after this, fine, I suppose. But I don't see the Democrats getting any benefit from circling the wagons on this one.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 07, 2011, 11:32:24 AM
But I don't see the Democrats getting any benefit from circling the wagons on this one.
That's why Democrats always come off as weak and craven. Republicans do circle the wagons for their people, despite much worse behavior.
Quote from: Daverz on June 07, 2011, 11:41:26 AM
That's why Democrats always come off as weak and craven. Republicans do circle the wagons for their people, despite much worse behavior.
Not true. When Mark Foley was found to have sent creepy sexual text messages to House pages he was forced to resign by the Republican House Leadership. Christopher Lee resigned after sending a much more innocuous picture (his seat was just won by a Democrat in a special election). Boehner did not publicly demand his resignation as I recall, but immediately said it was the right decision. Both parties are nervous about appearing to tolerate icky behavior.
Quote from: Daverz on June 07, 2011, 11:41:26 AMRepublicans do circle the wagons for their people, despite much worse behavior.
They circled the wagon for Larry Craig? I don't remember that, and now his career is over. They didn't really circle the wagons for Mark Foley, either, if memory serves. Ditto Jack Ryan. They certainly have in other cases, but they are hardly steadfast the way you describe. Likewise, the Democrats sometimes do and sometimes don't defend their own. Scandals often render politicians politically weak, and if that happens, said politicians ought to be thrown under the bus. Far more important than the politician is the office he or she holds; better to get rid of a scandal-ridden politician quickly and retain the office. It doesn't look like Weiner's seat is particularly vulnerable to a Republican takeover, but it still may be better to dump him. That wouldn't make the Democrats look weak, it would make them look cynical, ruthless, and effective.
Quote from: Todd on June 07, 2011, 12:04:37 PM
They circled the wagon for Larry Craig? I don't remember that, and now his career is over.
He did finish his term, though.
I don't think politicians should resign over sex scandals like this. Sexual harassment, yes. Exploitative of minors, yes. Illegal activities, yes (though I can't say I really care about politicans seeing prostitutes, it's still illegal). Another example is the congressman for NY-26 who resigned when his shirtless Craigslist ads were discovered. Really, who cares?
The American public and media needs to grow up and accept that politicans are sexual beings.
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They didn't really circle the wagons for Mark Foley, either, if memory serves. Ditto Jack Ryan.
Well, the first two made the mistake of being attracted to the same sex. Not something Republicans will forgive when it becomes public. And Ryan was mean to 7 of 9!
But points taken.
Quote from: Greg on June 03, 2011, 03:26:48 PM
WienerGate = Watergate
Clever.
Was it his just his underwear or...? :-X
He was in an aroused state...
Quote from: Daverz on June 07, 2011, 12:24:30 PMAnd Ryan was mean to 7 of 9!
I wonder if he ever made her wear her Star Trek outfit?
Are Weiner and Boehner related in any way? ;D :-X
Quote from: Todd on June 07, 2011, 10:52:44 AM
I would have thought politicians were, or should be, elected at least partly based on their judgment. Mr Weiner's actions do not show good judgment, nor does his response to the situation.
On the issue of judgement, it's not a political matter as such. It does show a lack of awareness of what will probably happen if you send people naughty pictures of yourself through the internet. Plus of course he is married.
Problem with the "judgement" issue is that the prime quality we demand in our candidates is "electability". That quality rests on spin. Weiner has failed the spin test.
Quote from: JetsNut on June 08, 2011, 05:18:15 PM
Are Weiner and Boehner related in any way? ;D :-X
They would make a good cabaret act with the addition a politician from here: Ed Balls.
Quote from: eyeresist on June 08, 2011, 08:28:16 PM
On the issue of judgement, it's not a political matter as such.
I don't know - what about those politicians blackmailed by foreign agents in honeytraps over the past half century? I'm not saying that this is particularly likely, but if a person is lacking in character, those looking to side-step the law can find ways to take advantage, and this chap simply seems less trustworthy now.
Quote from: eyeresist on June 08, 2011, 08:28:16 PMIt does show a lack of awareness of what will probably happen if you send people naughty pictures of yourself through the internet.
In other words, poor judgment.
Now it looks like redistricting may make the whole Weiner situation irrelevant anyway.
:'( :'( :'(
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localdc/20110609/ts_yblog_localdc/op-ed-weiner-like-me/
QuoteOn the one hand, as a fellow Weiner, I feel his pain. On the other hand, he has given us Weiners a bad name, and let's face it: we didn't have a great one to begin with.
LOL
An interesting piece, unfortunately spoiled by his sincere plea at the end.
I don't know why Weiners don't change the W to a V.
Who would want to have someone as a congressman who lied to the American public from a press conference in the halls of Congress? Is that all it takes to be a congressman? Does not "lying" disqualify a person to be an upstanding public citizen?
Anyway it is a terrible distraction from our debt crisis, but Congress apparently doesn't care enough about that to stay in session and work on resolving the issues. So sad.
Quote from: nimrod on June 10, 2011, 03:51:06 PM
a congressman who lied to the American public from a press conference in the halls of Congress?
First time that ever happened.
Here's a blogpost that gives voice to something that's been bothering me for a while: the American public seems to be getting more and more prudish.
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/against_prudery
And then there's Glenzilla's take (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/06/07/weiner/index.html):
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This isn't a case of illegal sex activity or gross hypocrisy (i.e., David Vitter, Larry Craig, Mark Foley (who built their careers on Family Values) or Eliot Spitzer (who viciously prosecuted trivial prostitution cases)). There's no lying under oath (Clinton) or allegedly illegal payments (Ensign, Edwards). From what is known, none of the women claim harassment and Weiner didn't even have actual sex with any of them. This is just pure mucking around in the private, consensual, unquestionably legal private sexual affairs of someone for partisan gain, voyeuristic fun and the soothing fulfillment of judgmental condemnation. And in that regard, it sets a new standard: the private sexual activities of public figures -- down to the most intimate details -- are now inherently newsworthy, without the need for any pretense of other relevance.
Quote from: nimrod on June 10, 2011, 03:51:06 PM
Who would want to have someone as a congressman who lied to the American public from a press conference in the halls of Congress? Is that all it takes to be a congressman? Does not "lying" disqualify a person to be an upstanding public citizen?
How about when someone feels forced to lie because it is even worse for a public figure to stand up and say "my private life is none of your f**king business". Which it isn't.
QuoteAnyway it is a terrible distraction from our debt crisis, but Congress apparently doesn't care enough about that to stay in session and work on resolving the issues. So sad.
And that is the fault of those seeking political gain, far more than it is Weiner's fault. I'm sure he didn't throw himself on the pyre of public outrage (over something that is none of their f**king business, need I repeat?) just so that we couldn't carry on with things that need resolution. More likely, it is a political ploy to insure that the problems
aren't addressed before the next election, so that they can maintain their political edge. Wouldn't do to resolve issues, would it? ::)
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I heard the loudmouth radio show host Michael Savage's last name was "Weiner" too, but he changed it. D:
Quote from: Sandra on June 10, 2011, 10:22:45 PM
I heard the loudmouth radio show host Michael Savage's last name was "Weiner" too, but he changed it. D:
He's from your area, no?
He goes on and on like a mossad agent,...
there's a thread around here (the conspiracy?) where 'they' go on about him being such an antisemno,... it's too early... ::)... back to bed...
Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 10, 2011, 06:00:37 PM
How about when someone feels forced to lie because it is even worse for a public figure to stand up and say "my private life is none of your f**king business". Which it isn't.
I almost agree with you. But he apparently sent explicit photos of himself to young women who had visited a web site tied to his role as Congressman. If the behavior was really "personal" I'd agree with you without question. But it seems to me he made the hole in the wall that separates his personal and public life.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 11, 2011, 08:25:49 AM
I almost agree with you. But he apparently sent explicit photos of himself to young women who had visited a web site tied to his role as Congressman. If the behavior was really "personal" I'd agree with you without question. But it seems to me he made the hole in the wall that separates his personal and public life.
Yes, you're right there; if he
did use his position in government and his government supplied equipment to disperse pictures of his own... equipment, then he breached any defense he may have had. Guess we'll have to wait and see what the investigation shows. :)
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Quote from: Gurnatron5500 on June 11, 2011, 08:30:48 AM
Yes, you're right there; if he did use his position in government and his government supplied equipment to disperse pictures of his own... equipment, then he breached any defense he may have had. Guess we'll have to wait and see what the investigation shows. :)
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Can we all really appreciate the ABSOLUTE MOMENT OF TERROR that must have washed over Weinie at the instant his mind grasped the reality of the fact that he was a Confressman who had just sent a pic of his bulge to... THE WORLD?? I shudder,... brrrr. :-\ ??? :-X :-[
Talk about your mom catchin' you...
"MOOOOOOOOOM!!"
Doesn't anyone ever knock anymore? ::)
Ah, the inevitable...
Weiner to Resign Today
...awaiting future "Will Wiener Rise Again?" headlines.
Quote from: snyprrr on June 16, 2011, 07:31:57 AM
Ah, the inevitable...
Weiner to Resign Today
A shame, we need more energetic progressives in Washington to push back against the tide of conservatism. To loose one to such absurdity is quite vexing.
Quote from: Il Barone Scarpia on June 16, 2011, 08:57:00 AM
A shame, we need more energetic progressives in Washington to push back against the tide of conservatism. To loose one to such absurdity is quite vexing.
But... but... don't they both work for the same Master?
Neither cares about...MEEEEE!! :'(
But, I mean, c'mon, 'to lose one to such absurdity'??,... he's the ONLY government employee who thinks he's above lying??
Do you seriously want ... ah, nevermind.
It's the people who say these things have NOTHING to do with how the individual serves their constituants,... I don't get it,... OF COURSE this would effect how the person would function in their capacity.
Unless of course, by 'absurdity', you mean Weiner's absurdist move to arrogantly lie,... I'm sure everyone would have been more sympathetic if he'd just manned-up from the beginning. I just KNEW he was lying, so, that's where he got me,... with the 'above it all' attitude. That's what sunk him, the...mmm....chutzpah. The nerve?
Quote from: Leon on June 16, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
LOL
If a middle aged man who is married, and while his wife is pregnant, spends his time having sexy conversations with women other than his wife, bragging about his "package" and trying to coerce at least one to lie about the conversations is your idea of the kind of individual the Democrats need more of - it is a sad state of affairs for "progressives".
I think most Dems are relieved that he finally did this, since they can now get this story, and I agree with you it is an absurdity, but I doubt we agree about why it is absurd - out of the headlines of most news outlets.
His lack of judgment, his reckless and immature behavior, and his questionable integrity, and the use of official equipment, his House office and gym for this behavior, would be cause for firing for just about anyone who had a job, especially a job that involved some measure of trust. Why some people think it is not cause to terminate his elective office is a mystery.
I have never bought into the compartmental theory of what matters and what doesn't matter when judging a person's termperament and suitability for writing legislation and what might end up becoming actual law.
:P
You are attributing a statement to me that I did not make. I never said or implied the Rep. Wiener was good for the Democrats or that that they need more like him. From a political point of view he is a "progressive" and represents the views of the constituents that voted for him. That is separate from his rather pathetic personal weaknesses. I find it unfortunate that the personal issues have, for the moment, nullified the representation of those constituents in the government.