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Title: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: eyeresist on July 18, 2011, 10:14:59 PM
I didn't want to post this in the ghetto of the opera forum :)

Interesting article about opera fandom, fandom in general, and how it can affect one's life.

Some highlights:

QuoteWayne Koestenbaum spends a lot of time in The Queen's Throat: Opera, Homosexuality, and the Mystery of Desire trying to make opera a gay thing. While the wealthy do remain patrons of the opera houses, statistically speaking, the average opera viewer is much more...normal. On paper at least. Benzecry — who treated the Teatro Colón like a mysterious village and reported back on the inhabitants' behavior as an anthropologist would — found that the most devoted of its guests are middle class, many the children of immigrants, and, statistically, don't lean more straight or gay than the outside world. So when you do remove the opera, you find that the addicts share much in common — probably to their protestations and their horror — with people who get obsessed about other things, whether that be comic books or Lord of the Rings or certain pop musicians or television shows.

...

Both Benzecry and Koestenbaum write about the difficulty fans have in sustaining a romantic relationship that doesn't revolve around a shared opera obsession (it's no coincidence that this is also the stereotype of nearly every fan culture). It's as if these fans accidentally fell in love not with a human being but on opera, like a deluded gosling who imprinted on a sheepdog rather than its own mother.

...

I came across my copy of his book at the used bookstore, and I could read not only the text but the previous owner's increasing frustration with Koestenbaum's certainty. Next to yet another of the writer's line insisting opera is the territory solely of the gays — "Opera's apparent distance from contemporary life made it a refuge for gays, who were creations of modern sexual systems, and yet whom society could not acknowledge or accommodate" — my co-reader scrawled in an exasperated, "This is crazy!"

Follow the link to read the final hilarious/horrifying anecdote.

The Sopranos : Dissecting opera's fervent fans (http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article07121101.aspx)
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2011, 05:15:19 AM
Quote from: eyeresist on July 18, 2011, 10:14:59 PM
Follow the link to read the final hilarious/horrifying anecdote.

"Why don't you bring the records into the house? This is a terrific collection!" His friend replied, "You don't know what would happen. You have no idea what would happen."

The horror...the horror...I know it well. I let my records into the house and now they've taken over completely. Every inch of shelf space consumed and the overflow now living anywhere they can. I need a periscope to see my monitor screen  ;D

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7190148_800.jpg)


Sarge
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: mc ukrneal on July 19, 2011, 07:42:36 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2011, 05:15:19 AM
"Why don't you bring the records into the house? This is a terrific collection!" His friend replied, "You don't know what would happen. You have no idea what would happen."

The horror...the horror...I know it well. I let my records into the house and now they've taken over completely. Every inch of shelf space consumed and the overflow now living anywhere they can. I need a periscope to see my monitor screen  ;D

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7190148_800.jpg)


Sarge
Very clever! You even have the OP's post on the monitor. Anyway - looks just fine to me! :)
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: DavidW on July 19, 2011, 07:56:34 AM
To steal an idea from Harry Potter, Sarge's cds are cursed: if you touch a cd, it will become two cds!  He'll be buried in no time!! ;D
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Mirror Image on July 19, 2011, 08:01:59 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2011, 05:15:19 AM(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7190148_800.jpg)


Sarge

What a mess! You need some serious organization, Sarge. :)

Thankfully, my classical collection (around 6,000 CDs in all) is put up in storage bins and filing cabinets. I do have some recordings on one of my desks, but this is my "to rip to my iPod pile."
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: eyeresist on July 20, 2011, 01:10:12 AM
Great pic, Sarge. Those stacks of CDs certainly look familiar... Is that a Buddy Jesus on the printer? And why can't I see any speakers?
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Sandra on July 20, 2011, 10:11:57 AM
My collection wasn't as big but it still made my studio look cluttered, no matter how well I organized it. I finally took the time (a couple of days, actually) and uploaded all into my PC and a back-up drive, and then sold the rest at a used CD store, gave away some to friends. I'm 100% digital now!
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: eyeresist on July 20, 2011, 05:42:49 PM
So now your problem is well hidden.
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: snyprrr on July 22, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2011, 05:15:19 AM
"Why don't you bring the records into the house? This is a terrific collection!" His friend replied, "You don't know what would happen. You have no idea what would happen."

The horror...the horror...I know it well. I let my records into the house and now they've taken over completely. Every inch of shelf space consumed and the overflow now living anywhere they can. I need a periscope to see my monitor screen  ;D

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7190148_800.jpg)


Sarge

PORNOGRAPHY!!! :o :o MODS!!! :o :o


(You know I'm secretly trying to look at all those cd spines, haha)


However,... you're much worse than I am,...  I feel a lot better all of a sudden,... I'll use this pic to counter anyone who says I have too many cds!!
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Mirror Image on July 22, 2011, 08:51:49 AM
Quote from: Sandra on July 20, 2011, 10:11:57 AM
My collection wasn't as big but it still made my studio look cluttered, no matter how well I organized it. I finally took the time (a couple of days, actually) and uploaded all into my PC and a back-up drive, and then sold the rest at a used CD store, gave away some to friends. I'm 100% digital now!

???

What a shame. As an avid buyer of CDs, this pains me to read this.


Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: DavidW on July 22, 2011, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: Sandra on July 20, 2011, 10:11:57 AM
My collection wasn't as big but it still made my studio look cluttered, no matter how well I organized it. I finally took the time (a couple of days, actually) and uploaded all into my PC and a back-up drive, and then sold the rest at a used CD store, gave away some to friends. I'm 100% digital now!

I want to do that now, in fact I've started.  Similarly with books->ebooks at least for novels.  The less useless things I have cluttering things up the better! :)
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: eyeresist on July 24, 2011, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on July 22, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
However,... you're much worse than I am,...  I feel a lot better all of a sudden,... I'll use this pic to counter anyone who says I have too many cds!!

Wow, if you think what's in that pic constitutes too many CDs...

My place is worse :P
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: knight66 on July 25, 2011, 11:59:40 AM
You mean better.

Mike
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Bulldog on July 25, 2011, 12:04:59 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 19, 2011, 05:15:19 AM
"Why don't you bring the records into the house? This is a terrific collection!" His friend replied, "You don't know what would happen. You have no idea what would happen."

The horror...the horror...I know it well. I let my records into the house and now they've taken over completely. Every inch of shelf space consumed and the overflow now living anywhere they can. I need a periscope to see my monitor screen  ;D

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7190148_800.jpg)


Sarge

My situation is very similar to yours except that my computer table is wider so my screen needs no periscope.
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: The new erato on July 25, 2011, 12:06:42 PM
Sarge, you post some good porn.
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Mirror Image on July 25, 2011, 08:17:32 PM
The thing about my collection is that most of it is put up neatly. I can't stand a cluttered mess, but sometimes the CDs just start to pile up after awhile. The desk that sits next to my computer desk is getting quite a pile of to-listen-to CDs. Hopefully, I'll be able to clear this out soon.
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: kishnevi on July 25, 2011, 08:36:27 PM
Sarge, you don't have a problem.  Looks to me like you have plenty of floor space, enough for at least a few more hundred CDs.
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 31, 2011, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on July 25, 2011, 08:36:27 PM
Sarge, you don't have a problem.  Looks to me like you have plenty of floor space, enough for at least a few more hundred CDs.

Dude, you haven't seen the floor. I'm surrounded!  ;D

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7310157_crop.jpg)

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7310159_1024.jpg)


Sarge

Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 31, 2011, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 19, 2011, 08:01:59 AM
What a mess! You need some serious organization, Sarge. :)

;D :D ;D   I know, I know...as an NCO, used to instilling discipline and order, I'm appalled by my situation. In my defense,  my music library is organized. It's just become too small, overflowing into several other rooms.


Sarge
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 31, 2011, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: eyeresist on July 20, 2011, 01:10:12 AM
Great pic, Sarge. Those stacks of CDs certainly look familiar... Is that a Buddy Jesus on the printer?

It is indeed our good buddy Christ...a gift from an old friend:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/web/Buddy%20Christ.jpg)


QuoteAnd why can't I see any speakers?

They are buried underneath the rubble  ;D  Here's a pic (click to enlarge) from an earlier, happier, less cluttered time of my life: Altec ACS340 (the subwoofer is underneath the desk):

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/desk.jpg)


Sarge



Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Sergeant Rock on July 31, 2011, 02:48:14 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on July 22, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
However,... you're much worse than I am,...  I feel a lot better all of a sudden,... I'll use this pic to counter anyone who says I have too many cds!!

That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Here's about one-fourth the music library. I'm a sick boy.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7310164_650.jpg)


Sarge
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Mirror Image on July 31, 2011, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 31, 2011, 02:48:14 PM
That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Here's about one-fourth the music library. I'm a sick boy.

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7310164_650.jpg)


Sarge

You're as sick as I am.
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: eyeresist on July 31, 2011, 06:59:08 PM
Bow wow wow!

Sarge, I love looking through your CD pics and seeing what I recognise. Can I ask your opinion of that Golovanov set?
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: ibanezmonster on July 31, 2011, 07:06:16 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 31, 2011, 02:48:14 PM
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/may11/P7310164_650.jpg)
Can I get a library card?
Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: Sergeant Rock on August 01, 2011, 04:01:35 AM
Quote from: eyeresist on July 31, 2011, 06:59:08 PM
Bow wow wow!

The remains of my punk days....a guilty pleasure.

Quote from: eyeresist on July 31, 2011, 06:59:08 PM
Sarge, I love looking through your CD pics and seeing what I recognise. Can I ask your opinion of that Golovanov set?

It's a three CD box containing Scriabin's five symphonies and piano concerto. Terrific performances all (best ever?) but the sound quality varies from acceptable to miserable. The third disc, containing the earliest recordings (1946, Symphony 3 and the Piano Concerto), is ghastly. Harsh, lots of distortion, wow and flutter.  I'm not too hard to please (I have many historical recordings) but even I have a problem listening to it. The second disc (1950/52, Symphony 2, Poem of Ecstasy) has decent sound considering its provenance. Climaxes are relatively distortion free although dynamics are restricted (a thrilling Poem nonetheless). The first disc is listenable too although it has more distortion than the second.

Sarge


Title: Re: Opera nuts and the nature of fandom in general
Post by: eyeresist on August 01, 2011, 05:19:14 PM
Many thanks, Sarge. I've been contemplating Golovanov's Glazunov symphonies for a while, wondering if he would be the one to convert me. Still not sure if I'll plumb for them...