Someone in another thread recently suggested Elgar's In the South (Alassio).
Vaughan Williams' Sinfonia Antartica might also fit this category.
Any other suggestions?
The LIST: (why not?)
Bartok: Kossuth
Bax: Overture to a Picaresque Comedy
Bax: Tintagel
Brian: Doctor Merryheart
Delius: Paris
Elgar: In the South (Alassio)
Elgar: Falstaff
Gliere: Symphony no. 3
Janacek: Taras Bulba
Karlowicz: Stanislaw and Anna
Novak: In the Tatra Mountains
Novak: Lady Godiva
Reznicek: Schlemihl
Schoenberg: Pelleas und Melisande
Suk: A Summer's Tale
Suk: Ripening
Suk: Epilogue
Szymanowski: Concert Overture
Szymanowski: Symphony No. 2
Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 7 "Sinfonia Antartica"
Webern: Im Sommerwind
Zemlinsky: Die Seejungfrau (The Mermaid)
Delius, Paris
Karlowicz, Stanislaw and Anna
Zemlinsky Die Seejungfrau (The Mermaid)
Novak Lady Godiva or In the Tatra Mountains (a bit of that Alpine Symphony vibe)
Quote from: Grazioso on September 11, 2011, 05:20:38 AM
Zemlinsky Die Seejungfrau (The Mermaid)
You stole my post.
I nominate Elgar's Falstaff; it's almost like his answer to Strauss' Don Quixote (personality portrait of a literary character, both characters created at approximately the same time, around 1600).
Quote from: Velimir on September 11, 2011, 06:17:41 AM
I nominate Elgar's Falstaff; it's almost like his answer to Strauss' Don Quixote (personality portrait of a literary character, both characters created at approximately the same time, around 1600).
Brian,
Doctor Merryheart, a funny Strauss-meets-Elgar tone poem about a character of Brian's own invention (detailed programme notes exist).
Reznicek's Schlemihl, though Reznicek himself was more of a schlimazel.
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on September 11, 2011, 02:05:45 AMDelius, Paris
Now there's a work I haven't revisited in awhile. I remember liking this one very much.
An obvious choice: Webern's Im Sommerwind
A more obscure choice: Szymanowski's Concert Overture
I'll second Die Seejungfrau and Falstaff.
Add Szymanowski's 2nd symphony if we can overlook it being in two movements. :)
Bax: There are quite few to chose from but I will go for Tintagel.
I have made a List of all suggestion in the original post.
Re Bax, I don't know how Straussian Tintagel actually is. I'd say the obvious candidate is the Overture to a Picaresque Overture. Thoughts on this?
GLIÈRE Symphony no. 3 'Ilya Murometz' and JANÁCEK Taras Bulba
more than one movement each, but all of the movements have narrative programs.
Quote from: eyeresist on September 11, 2011, 05:38:02 PM
I have made a List of all suggestion in the original post.
Re Bax, I don't know how Straussian Tintagel actually is.
I do! I do! Not Straussian
in the least! Whado I win?
The same goes for
Ilya Murometz and
Taras Bulba.
Well, once the list fills up, we can have another thread to vote them down again :)
I clicked on this thread thinking Rob Newman had made an exciting new discovery.
LOL!!!
EDIT: Okay, we're not allowed to do lolposts? Then I will add something else... All my posts are written by a secret committee of freemasons, in order to bring about the dreaded ZOG.
Quote from: Brian on September 11, 2011, 08:28:47 PM
I clicked on this thread thinking Rob Newman had made an exciting new discovery.
Quote from: eyeresist on September 11, 2011, 08:29:30 PM
LOL!!!
EDIT: Okay, we're not allowed to do lolposts? Then I will add something else... All my posts are written by a secret committee of freemasons, in order to bring about the dreaded ZOG.
;D
How can this be? Dvorak and Smetana, perhaps the other two greatest tone poem composers ever, are not even MENTIONED! 1 whip with a wet noodle for all of you! :o
Quote from: mc ukrneal on September 12, 2011, 12:39:53 AM
How can this be? Dvorak and Smetana, perhaps the other two greatest tone poem composers ever, are not even MENTIONED!
As much as I love both of them, are they
Straussian?And what exactly do we mean by that?
Quote from: eyeresist on September 12, 2011, 12:52:07 AM
As much as I love both of them, are they Straussian?
And what exactly do we mean by that?
Is the thread title trying ot say that the sound of the tone poems should sould like Strauss? That is not what I understood.
I understand the title to be - tone poems influenced by the example of Richard Strauss. The composers I mentioned - Delius, Karlowicz and Brian - don't sound like Strauss, but they certainly studied his works and learnt from him (especially his spectacular orchestration).
Well, I don't know. I think that, near the beginning, Stanislaw and Anna actually does sound like Strauss. (Maybe I need to renew my acquaintance with Strauss, though. It's been a while. ;D)
To be clear, I am asking for music which prompts you to think, "This could almost be Strauss." (This prompted by the observation that Alassio was the greatest tone poem Strauss never wrote.)
And when I said "What do we mean by that?", I meant "What do we mean by the adjective Straussian?", i.e. what are the specifics of his technique, sensibility, sound that we identify as uniquely (or perhaps NOT so uniquely) his.
Quote from: Maciek on September 12, 2011, 04:24:52 AM
Well, I don't know. I think that, near the beginning, Stanislaw and Anna actually does sound like Strauss. (Maybe I need to renew my acquaintance with Strauss, though. It's been a while. ;D )
Hm. I think you're right (playing it inside my head now). But the total effect and atmosphere of the work is Karlowiczian. Although Karlowicz certainly took some pointers in orchestral technique from his German contemporary, especially in this work.
Two more picks: Schoenberg's Pelleas und Melisande and Bartok's Kossuth.
I have updated the List.
After listening to Bax's Tintagel again, I admit I can hear resemblances to the Alpensinfonie.
Quote from: eyeresist on September 11, 2011, 02:02:58 AM
Szymanowski: Concert Overture
Szymanowski: Symphony No. 2
Tone poems? :o
Suk's tone poems (A Summer's Tale, Ripening, Epilogue) should also be considered.