I have been toying with the idea of purchasing a set of the Mozart VCs, played on period (ish) instruments, as at present my only two sets are the Grumiaux and the Mutter sets. at present, I see three possible candidates:
Standage/ Hogwood/ AAM (Sony)
Zehetmair/ Bruggen/ Orch 18th Cent (Glossa)
Huggett/ OAE (Virgin)
Does anyone have any feelings about these three offerings, or is there a 4th set I should be considering?
Many thanks for your help.
Quote from: Jared on September 12, 2011, 02:25:00 AM
I have been toying with the idea of purchasing a set of the Mozart VCs, played on period (ish) instruments.
I am at the same condition also. :)
I have only the Mutter set. Before I make a purchase I usually downloaded the CD in order to make comparisons. The Hogwood set is good but strings are harsh on my earphones. The Kremer set is not HIP but it is on my wish list:
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I've heard Marianne Thorsen's album which is good but this is my first Mozart VC on my wish list:
[asin]B004DIPKZ0[/asin]
Great playing and the winds are fully audible (which is very important for me).
Quote from: Roberto on September 12, 2011, 04:01:21 AM
. . . The Kremer set is not HIP but it is on my wish list:
I have the Kremer set, and I am all over it.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 12, 2011, 04:03:01 AM
I have the Kremer set, and I am all over it.
Karl... could you elaborate on this Americanism for me? All over it could mean that you used to like it, but your enthusiasm has waned, or its your favourite recording.. are either of these correct?
thanks, Jared
I am unflaggingly enthusiastic for the recording, Jared. Sorry to be colloquial & obscure!
Quote from: Jared on September 12, 2011, 02:25:00 AM
I have been toying with the idea of purchasing a set of the Mozart VCs, played on period (ish) instruments, as at present my only two sets are the Grumiaux and the Mutter sets. at present, I see three possible candidates:
Standage/ Hogwood/ AAM (Sony)
Zehetmair/ Bruggen/ Orch 18th Cent (Glossa)
Huggett/ OAE (Virgin)
Does anyone have any feelings about these three offerings, or is there a 4th set I should be considering?
Many thanks for your help.
I have those three sets, but my favorites are
Terakado/Kuijken on Denon (a 3-CD set with La Petite Bande). This set includes all the violin concertos, the Sinfonia Concertante K. 364 and the Concertone K. 190. Kuijken and Terakado alternatively play different works as soloists.
Unfortunately it's not easy to get, but individual volumes can be found on AMP.
Anyway, here is the complete set: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mozart-Violin-Concertos-Kuijken-Terakado-3CD-DENON-/220733642737
:)
Quote from: toñito on September 12, 2011, 04:50:44 AM
I have those three sets, but my favorites are Terakado/Kuijken on Denon (a 3-CD set with La Petite Bande). This set includes all the violin concertos, the Sinfonia Concertante K. 364 and the Concertone K. 190. Kuijken and Terakado alternatively play different works as soloists.
Unfortunately it's not easy to get, but individual volumes can be found on AMP.
Anyway, here is the complete set: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mozart-Violin-Concertos-Kuijken-Terakado-3CD-DENON-/220733642737
:)
thankd Tonito... I shan't be spending that kind of money... if pushed, which of the above three would be your favourite, and why?
I have found that the Huggett (PI) and Kremer sets offer the best of both worlds in these wonderful pieces, which are some of my favorite Mozart. I also have others:
Andrew Manze (PI) (Nos. 3, 4 & 5)
Anne-Sophie Mutter
Mullova (PI) (1, 3 & 4)
Quote from: Leon on September 12, 2011, 05:46:34 AM
Andrew Manze (PI) (Nos. 3, 4 & 5)
I've heard about that Manze has a strange violin sound. What is your opinion about it?
thanks everyone for their opinions... owing to some staunch Zehetmair/ Bruggen supporters elsewhere, I've taken this route for the moment.. but there are many interesting options mentioned.
Quote from: Roberto on September 12, 2011, 06:17:34 AM
I've heard about that Manze has a strange violin sound. What is your opinion about it?
I guess it depends on what you consider a normal violin sound. After listening to his VC#3 I can't say the sound was "strange" but maybe a bit "rustic" for some folks.
Quote from: Jared on September 12, 2011, 06:51:21 AM
thanks everyone for their opinions... owing to some staunch Zehetmair/ Bruggen supporters elsewhere, I've taken this route for the moment.. but there are many interesting options mentioned.
After Terakado/Kuijken, I would recommend Zehetmair, indeed; specially in those concertos when the Orchestra of the Eighteenth Century is conducted by Mr. Brüggen (K. 207, 218 & 219).
Mullova is easily my favorite on period instruments. Fischer, Lin and Grimiaux head the modern instruments list.
Quote from: toñito on September 12, 2011, 07:45:34 AM
After Terakado/Kuijken, I would recommend Zehetmair, indeed; specially in those concertos when the Orchestra of the Eighteenth Century is conducted by Mr. Brüggen (K. 207, 218 & 219).
Tonito got me to buy that set Jared... do it! He was right it was the best I've heard.
I think these performances are top notch, but again, I'm biased when it comes to James Ehnes. (and yes, I realize this probably isn't a HIP recording, but I don't care, as these performances are most definitely worth checking out). Incidentally, Ehnes shares the same birthday as Mozart.
James Ehnes and the Mozart Anniversary Orchestra
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TTT! :) Thread started 2 years ago and expiring in just a few days - maybe time for some updating whether the works are performed on modern or period instruments (or a HIP intermediary approach) - ;D
Just obtained the Julia Fischer set (3 CDs + 1 DVD) - small orchestra, lovely flowing violin lines, and prominent woodwinds - really enjoying (on the 3rd disc as I type). Also own sets by Grumiaux & Carmignola - may have to put on the latter in a moment for a comparison - for a great comparison of many of the recordings of these works, see Don's (a.k.a. Sammy & Bulldog) excellent review HERE (http://www.classical.net/music/recs/reviews/e/emi86528a.php) - he also liked Mullova (PI performances) who I've not heard.
SO, comments, other suggestions, preferences (MI vs. PI), etc. - Dave
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If one is into HIP, this might be a consideration.
(http://thumbnails107.imagebam.com/28020/75740e280198754.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/75740e280198754)
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Works-Violin-Leertouwer-Johannes/dp/B000IHZJ0Q/
Personally, I think these are very good performances.
I once heard Leertouwer playing Mozart in concert (about 5 years ago), and left the concert hall in a refreshed mood. :)
This is wat M.D. Bromwell writes about this particular set on allmusic.com:
[....] Fans of period performances will find this collection extremely satisfying not only for the informed decisions made in its production, but the extensive detail Leertouwer puts into the liner notes to explain his decision-making process. His approach to his instrument is pure, simple, and unassuming. Fast passages are graceful and elegant and slow movements are introspective without being brooding. This is absolutely a recommended choice for anyone specifically seeking a period performance of these timeless works, or for a listener interested in an intelligent introduction to period performance practice.
Quote from: SonicMan46 on October 07, 2013, 10:18:13 AM
TTT! :) Thread started 2 years ago and expiring in just a few days - maybe time for some updating whether the works are performed on modern or period instruments (or a HIP intermediary approach) - ;D
Just obtained the Julia Fischer set (3 CDs + 1 DVD) - small orchestra, lovely flowing violin lines, and prominent woodwinds - really enjoying (on the 3rd disc as I type). Also own sets by Grumiaux & Carmignola - may have to put on the latter in a moment for a comparison - for a great comparison of many of the recordings of these works, see Don's (a.k.a. Sammy & Bulldog) excellent review HERE (http://www.classical.net/music/recs/reviews/e/emi86528a.php) - he also liked Mullova (PI performances) who I've not heard.
SO, comments, other suggestions, preferences (MI vs. PI), etc. - Dave
(http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-GkRxwVm/0/O/Mozart_Fischer.jpg) (http://giradman.smugmug.com/Other/Classical-Music/i-vVhRSc6/0/O/Mozart_Abbado.jpg)
I haven't heard the Carmignola set, although I loved his playing in Bach's V & H Sonatas. Concerning Abbado, I really don't have any opinion of him one way or the other. What do you think of his Mozart?
Quote from: Sammy on October 07, 2013, 08:29:01 PM
I haven't heard the Carmignola set, although I loved his playing in Bach's V & H Sonatas. Concerning Abbado, I really don't have any opinion of him one way or the other. What do you think of his Mozart?
I've been acquiring recordings with Abbado and Orchestra Mozart playing Mozart. Lots of winners so far and NO losers.
I especially like the Clarinet Concerto, the Sinfornia Concertante K297 and various symphonies. I'm hard to please for No. 38 and Abbado / Orchestra Mozart suit me just fine.
I llike the Julia Fischer Mozart Concerti recordings as well.
Bill
Quote from: Marc on October 07, 2013, 12:23:51 PM
If one is into HIP, this might be a consideration.
(http://thumbnails107.imagebam.com/28020/75740e280198754.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/75740e280198754)
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Works-Violin-Leertouwer-Johannes/dp/B000IHZJ0Q/
Personally, I think these are very good performances.
I once heard Leertouwer playing Mozart in concert (about 5 years ago), and left the concert hall in a refreshed mood. :)
This is wat M.D. Bromwell writes about this particular set on allmusic.com:
[....] Fans of period performances will find this collection extremely satisfying not only for the informed decisions made in its production, but the extensive detail Leertouwer puts into the liner notes to explain his decision-making process. His approach to his instrument is pure, simple, and unassuming. Fast passages are graceful and elegant and slow movements are introspective without being brooding. This is absolutely a recommended choice for anyone specifically seeking a period performance of these timeless works, or for a listener interested in an intelligent introduction to period performance practice.
I don't own this set, but I just finished listening to it on the Naxos Music Library - very enjoyable. Thanks for the link.
Quote from: Marc on October 07, 2013, 12:23:51 PM
If one is into HIP, this might be a consideration.
(http://thumbnails107.imagebam.com/28020/75740e280198754.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/75740e280198754)
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Works-Violin-Leertouwer-Johannes/dp/B000IHZJ0Q/
Personally, I think these are very good performances.
I once heard Leertouwer playing Mozart in concert (about 5 years ago), and left the concert hall in a refreshed mood. :)
This is wat M.D. Bromwell writes about this particular set on allmusic.com:
[....] Fans of period performances will find this collection extremely satisfying not only for the informed decisions made in its production, but the extensive detail Leertouwer puts into the liner notes to explain his decision-making process. His approach to his instrument is pure, simple, and unassuming. Fast passages are graceful and elegant and slow movements are introspective without being brooding. This is absolutely a recommended choice for anyone specifically seeking a period performance of these timeless works, or for a listener interested in an intelligent introduction to period performance practice.
On the wishlist now, thanks for mentioning this.
Quote from: Sammy on October 07, 2013, 08:29:01 PM
I haven't heard the Carmignola set, although I loved his playing in Bach's V & H Sonatas. Concerning Abbado, I really don't have any opinion of him one way or the other. What do you think of his Mozart?
Hi
Don - put on the
Carmignola-Abbado 2-disc set this morning and finishing the second disc now (enjoying the
Sinfonia Concertante which is the last work). Carmignola playing contrasts nicely w/ that of Julia Fischer - tempos are faster, his tone can be more edgy at times, and he shows considerable dynamic variation - Abbado blends nicely w/ the violinist and never overpowers the instrument - the orchestral sounds are generally clear and the woodwinds well heard - along w/ the older Grumiaux, my three sets seem to provide a nice spectrum of recordings for me. A couple of reviews that might be of interest to those considering the Carmignola set: ClassicsToday (http://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-14519/) & Fanfare (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=200613). Dave :)
TTT after nearly 10 yrs! Listening to my Mozart collection the last few days - just being selective, and now on the Violin Concertos - my current collection of 3 sets below (looking back on my posts here, appears that I swapped out Grumiaux for Leertouwer) - attached reviews are generally excellent w/ some minor quibbles - so current favs for these works, PI vs. MI (I have a mix), any new releases? Dave :)
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I have this on my wishlist. I don't know if it's PI.
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For KV 271a, which may be by Mozart or may not be by Mozart, see here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto_No._7_(Mozart)
And there's this CD from Coetzen and Goebel, which is quasi-Mozart
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With "New Mozart," conductor Reinhard Goebel, the "tireless discoverer" (Rondo), once again shows what treasures continue to be discovered in the music archives: For his new project "New Mozart" with the Mozarteumorchester Salzburg, he deals with musical treasures that revolve around the music of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. The first album already presents a world premiere recording: the orchestral version of the the serenade "Gran Partita" KV 361 by Mozart. The "Gran Partita" for large wind and string ensembles was arranged by the Bavarian composer and Mozart expert Franz Gleissner (1761-1818) into an orchestral version and published in 1800 as "Sinfonia concertante" Op. 91. Also worth discovering on "New Mozart" is the rarely recorded Violin Concerto in E-flat Major K. 268, which was attributed to Mozart. In the meantime, it is certain that the Violin Concerto in E-flat Major was written by an unknown Mozart contemporary, despite many musical parallels to Mozart. Whoever the true author may be, the new recording under Reinhard Goebel with violinist Mirijam Contzen as soloist is in any case a repertoire enrichment, since there is still a lack of attention for the violin concertos of Mozart's contemporaries. Whoever wrote this work during Mozart's lifetime succeeded in creating a concerto that is highly demanding in terms of playing technique and at the same time shines with a cantabile quality that is reminiscent of Mozart from afar.[/img]
Quote from: SonicMan46 on May 12, 2022, 10:56:54 AM
TTT after nearly 10 yrs! Listening to my Mozart collection the last few days - just being selective, and now on the Violin Concertos - my current collection of 3 sets below (looking back on my posts here, appears that I swapped out Grumiaux for Leertouwer) - attached reviews are generally excellent w/ some minor quibbles - so current favs for these works, PI vs. MI (I have a mix), any new releases? Dave :)
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Is Fischer/Kreizberg HIP? IIRC, hardly if at all.
This, otoh, is --- and very good.
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Quote from: Florestan on May 13, 2022, 07:22:26 AM
Is Fischer/Kreizberg HIP? IIRC, hardly if at all.
This, otoh, is --- and very good.
(https://s13emagst.akamaized.net/products/33724/33723982/images/res_1943e036b638dc8758e07de364042301.jpg) (https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8f1975b24466926afdfba49af1631f8d735d73c2/0_1554_4016_4013/master/4016.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=1c1704ede133e37519cbe7756cfd7900)
Hi
Andrei - the
Fischer/Kreizberg performances are 'modern' - BUT, I was unaware and intrigued by the Koncz recording, i.e. playing on Mozart's own violin and likely the one he used to introduce these works in Salzburg! Now to me that recording is worth owning (price is right on Amazon for a 2-CD set) and the reviews are generally excellent (attachment for the interested), including a 9/9 on ClassicsToday from our own Jens! Believe that I'll put in an order NOW! Thanks for bringing the recording to my knowledge - I don't seem to visit the 'new releases' thread as often as I should - :laugh: Dave
Quote from: SonicMan46 on May 13, 2022, 08:38:11 AM
Hi Andrei - the Fischer/Kreizberg performances are 'modern' - BUT, I was unaware and intrigued by the Koncz recording, i.e. playing on Mozart's own violin and likely the one he used to introduce these works in Salzburg! Now to me that recording is worth owning (price is right on Amazon for a 2-CD set) and the reviews are generally excellent (attachment for the interested), including a 9/9 on ClassicsToday from our own Jens! Believe that I'll put in an order NOW! Thanks for bringing the recording to my knowledge - I don't seem to visit the 'new releases' thread as often as I should - :laugh: Dave
Hi
Dave!
The Koncz is very good, you'll certainly enjoy it. The Fischer/Kreizberg is very good, too, quite possibly my go-to set. (disclosure:Julia Fischer is my favorite contemporary female violinist).
I think I might have close to a dozen Mozart VCs sets and am always in the market for new ones. :)
Quote from: Florestan on May 13, 2022, 07:22:26 AM
Is Fischer/Kreizberg HIP? IIRC, hardly if at all.
This, otoh, is --- and very good.
(https://s13emagst.akamaized.net/products/33724/33723982/images/res_1943e036b638dc8758e07de364042301.jpg)
I seem to remember having that CD but not being impressed by it. I'll have to go look to see if I do have it or not.
Meanwhile, Amazon reminded me about this excellent one:
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ETA: I don't seem to have the Koncz. Thst would explain why I wasn't impressed by it
;D
Fabio Biondi | Europe Galante (2006)
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Listening now and liking it. Don't know if he's done them all, or most.
Quote from: San Antone on October 03, 2023, 12:59:54 PMFabio Biondi | Europe Galante (2006)
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Listening now and liking it. Don't know if he's done them all, or most.
It seems that he's not recorded the other two concertos. But there is this:
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Of course I've never heard it so I can't say how good it is.
Quote from: JBS on May 13, 2022, 08:44:52 AMI seem to remember having that CD but not being impressed by it. I'll have to go look to see if I do have it or not.
Meanwhile, Amazon reminded me about this excellent one:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51xQ2YCNZzL._UX420_FMwebp_QL85_.jpg)
ETA: I don't seem to have the Koncz. Thst would explain why I wasn't impressed by it
;D
Update: since that post I have gotten the Koncz. It struck me as fine but nothing to be enthusiastic about.
Quote from: JBS on October 03, 2023, 01:35:09 PMIt seems that he's not recorded the other two concertos. But there is this:
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Of course I've never heard it so I can't say how good it is.
I generally like his recordings, but mainly the orchestral ones. My preferred set of the sonatas are the recordings by
Rachel Podger and
Gary Cooper.
Has anyone heard the other Carmignola recording?
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