If I've missed an existing topic then maybe someone with the powers will do the necessary.
I thought I'd listen to the Jupiter on Abbado's new CD with Orchestra Mozart but I didn't get to the end of the first movement -- he didn't make it interesting enough for me. So rather frustratedly I went back to my old standby here -- Klemperer with the Philharmonia. And yes -- it didn't let me down at all.
But while playing it I remembered going to a wonderful concert with Klaus Tennstedt in the late 70s where he played it so memorably. Did he record it?
So I went along to spotify, my new best friend. And lo and behold! there it is. And yes -- this is an exceedigly fine performance, of a very challenging work. IMHO.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WU4SWI6kL._AA115_.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51KFr86OFdL._AA115_.jpg)
Never listened to the Tennstedt, but I really love Karajan's version of the Jupiter with the Berlin Phil, very beautiful and refined.
Ilaria
I tend to go old school with Mozart symphonies; if I could only have one set, it would be one of these...
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Lately I've really been enjoying Kubelik, recently reissued
[asin]B0056K4VZO[/asin]
And of course there's
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Szell and Boehm (except his poor #40)
I'm an unwashed oaf, but I've enjoyed the Jeffrey Tate set:
(http://di1.shopping.com/images/pi/17/70/93/2002395475-200x200-0-0.jpg?p=s13.8300d8759ce77aff2d24&a=2&c=1&l=8055916&t=100107015343&r=1)
Of period Jupiters I was quite impressed with Jacobs. Theatrical.
Quote from: chasmaniac on September 28, 2011, 05:26:35 AM
I'm an unwashed oaf, but I've enjoyed the Jeffrey Tate set:
(http://di1.shopping.com/images/pi/17/70/93/2002395475-200x200-0-0.jpg?p=s13.8300d8759ce77aff2d24&a=2&c=1&l=8055916&t=100107015343&r=1)
Pee-yoo, get some soap, will ya? ;D
This was the first Mozart set I bought, and for a while I was quite fond of it; but I've since found many more that I prefer, and frankly I seldom come back to it. I can't point to anything really
wrong with Tate, per se; I just think he takes things a bit too straight for me. It's all a bit four-square and even-tempered, almost
too classical if that makes any sense; he doesn't capture the beauty of this music the way Bohm does, for example. I tend to prefer conductors that let the music breathe (read: play it too slow like an old fart ;D ), or conversely give it a lively spring to it's step; the middle approach doesn't appeal to me much, but YMMV of course...
Quote from: jwinter on September 28, 2011, 06:01:50 AM
Pee-yoo, get some soap, will ya? ;D
There goes the hot water...
Kertesz (Requiem too). To bad he died before recording the Jupider. Never knew Kubelik recorded them, i have to check that out.
I have a few sets, and have been meaning to get the Mackerras CPO set - but it's hard to justify the expenditure for music I don't absolutely love. I wish Kuijken had recorded the symphonies - his was the most engaging Haydn I've heard.
Quote from: chasmaniac on September 28, 2011, 06:24:41 AM
There goes the hot water...
I am with jwinter on this one as well....a decent warm-up band, but bring on The Stones! ;D
Actually, Keef looks like he might have partied down with Wolfgang back in the day...
(http://thecoastwatcher.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/keith_richards.jpg) (http://thecoastwatcher.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/keith_richards.jpg)
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on September 28, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
Kertesz (Requiem too).
Yes, that's a lovely recording that one, one of my favourite Requiems.
Quote from: jwinter on September 29, 2011, 05:25:55 AM
Actually, Keef looks like he might have partied down with Wolfgang back in the day...
(http://thecoastwatcher.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/keith_richards.jpg) (http://thecoastwatcher.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/keith_richards.jpg)
And I thought that this was the only possible photo of Constanze, JW!
(http://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/11/mozart.jpg)
Quote from: Josquin des Prez on September 28, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
Kertesz (Requiem too). To bad he died before recording the Jupider.
I didn't much take to Kertesz in the symphonies for some reason, but he is my go-to guy for the requiem. He is simply better than the rest!
Quote from: Drasko on September 28, 2011, 05:27:27 AM
Of period Jupiters I was quite impressed with Jacobs. Theatrical.
Comedy theatre.
The big drum in the primo made me think of Coco the clown. Strange that he decided to play all four movements slapstick style. The sudden tempo changes and pauses are a bit annoying I thought -- but in a performance as original as this you have to go with the flow.
I don't like it. But I'm glad to have it and I'll put it in my cabinet of curiosities. It must be the weirdest Jupiter since Albert Coates recorded it.
I also listened to Gardiner's recent one with English Baroque but it seemed so bland I didn't stay the course -- should I go back? -- has anyone enjoyed it?
Has anyone perhaps heard Scherchen in No.40 - and if yes, how is it, in very broad terms ?
Quote from: DieNacht on October 08, 2011, 09:54:19 PM
Has anyone perhaps heard Scherchen in No.40 - and if yes, how is it, in very broad terms ?
The Ultraphon recording? It's excellent. The andante especially is very memorable for the climax. If you like his Haydn then you'll enjoy this.
QuoteThe Ultraphon recording? It's excellent. The andante especially is very memorable for the climax. If you like his Haydn then you'll enjoy this.
The combination of
Mozart´s 40th and
Scherchen sounds intriguing ... Own the
29th and
35th with the VPO on a poorly transferred German budget CD (rec. 1950 ?; TIM The 20th Century Maestros 204563-308, together with some Rosbaud etc.).
The 29th I didn´t find anything interesting in, perhaps excluding the finale - very slow and rather dull playing.
The 35th has Scherchen in a slightly weird, funny if sometimes imprecise mood generally, especially in the 1st and 4th movements, and is more interesting ...
Overall I prefer either markedly gracious or a Romantically coloured, Beethoven-like Mozart symphonies.
Don´t own that many recordings; but exemplified in Britten/decca or Harnoncourt/CtGeb in no.29, Karajan/EMI and Harnoncourt/CtGeb in no.35, and Karajan/EMI, Britten/decca and Harnoncourt/CtGeb in no.40.
Walter cbs-sony are good also, of course.
Quote from: DieNacht on October 09, 2011, 01:15:11 AM
The combination of Mozart´s 40th and Scherchen sounds intriguing ... Own the 29th and 35th with the VPO on a poorly transferred German budget CD (rec. 1950 ?; TIM The 20th Century Maestros 204563-308, together with some Rosbaud etc.).
The 29th I didn´t find anything interesting in, perhaps excluding the finale - very slow and rather dull playing.
The 35th has Scherchen in a slightly weird, funny if sometimes imprecise mood generally, especially in the 1st and 4th movements, and is more interesting ...
Overall I prefer either markedly gracious or a Romantically coloured, Beethoven-like Mozart symphonies.
Don´t own that many recordings; but exemplified in Britten/decca or Harnoncourt/CtGeb in no.29, Karajan/EMI and Harnoncourt/CtGeb in no.35, and Karajan/EMI, Britten/decca and Harnoncourt/CtGeb in no.40.
Walter cbs-sony are good also, of course.
I'll send it to you. There's a very good Haydn 48 on the same CD I think.
One quite interesting 40 is Kocsis with the Hungarian National Philharmonic Orchestra on BMC. Another good recent one is Brueggen with the two orchestras. Furtwangler and Casals and Klemperer are good in it also, especially Klemperer (this is one of his greatest achievements I would say -- an amazing interpretation.) I like Harnoncourt too: try to hear his 39 with the CGB -- it's very powerful and unique, as distinctive in its own way as Jacobs' 41. No slapstick though. His Prague on DVD with VCM is one of my favourite performances of that symphony for sure.
Quote from: eyeresist on September 29, 2011, 05:33:02 PM
I didn't much take to Kertesz in the symphonies for some reason
Kertesz takes a more relaxed approach on the symphonies, that might be it. They are still magnificently interpreted. He also recorded a very good
Clemenza.
Any Dorati Wolfie in the house?
Quote from: Mandryka on October 09, 2011, 02:23:55 AM
One quite interesting 40 is Kocsis with the Hungarian National Philharmonic Orchestra on BMC.
And there is an exciting Symphony No. 25 in G minor on it too!
I am very happy with the Barenboim/ECO recodings. Despite their age (recorded in the late 60's I think), the sound is excellent, and the music is beautifully played and recorded. I find the young Barenboim's interpretations to be lively and sensitive. An excellent collection IMHO.
I'll throw my lot in behind Mackerras, but be warned, if you're used to classic recordings the second movement may seem to drag a bit due to him not omitting the repeats.
I have found that the Hogwood is my go-to set, but for the last six I also like MacKerras - and the hopefully soon to be completed Rene Jacobs recordings. I have been accumulating Pinnock's traversal piecemeal, very slowly, and have not actually heard any of it - but expect that one to be a fair contender.
As far as MI performance, Böhm and Jaap Ter Linden are what I have, and a very old recording from Marlboro of Casals leading a student band of the last six, which is interesting but a transfer from LPs that were not in the greatest shape due to too much playing when I was younger and that box was my only set.
:)
Quote from: Roberto on October 24, 2011, 11:32:41 PM
And there is an exciting Symphony No. 25 in G minor on it too!
You sound as though you're enjoying that CD! Great.
There's another wonderful 25/41 combo which I love -- a live one from Norrington and the Stuttgart RSO on Haenssler
http://www.haenssler-classic.de/detailansicht/titel/essential-symphonies-vol-i/120779/120779/120779.html
I've not listened to the one with 40 yet but I will do. all on spotify.
Quote from: Mandryka on October 26, 2011, 01:15:41 AM
You sound as though you're enjoying that CD! Great.
Yes in spite of I am rather a HIPster. But Kocsis is great Mozart-conductor (I've shown him the day before yesterday conducting a great Requiem with Hungarian Philharmonic).
But I am thinking about these 2 complete sets: Mackerras/PCO (which is not HIP but sounds great) and Pinnock/EC (which is great HIP but sometimes not so impressive than Mackerras). I've downloaded both but I can't decide which to buy. ???
I've listened samples you suggested. These are good also.
Quote from: Roberto on October 27, 2011, 11:59:00 PM
Yes in spite of I am rather a HIPster. But Kocsis is great Mozart-conductor (I've shown him the day before yesterday conducting a great Requiem with Hungarian Philharmonic).
But I am thinking about these 2 complete sets: Mackerras/PCO (which is not HIP but sounds great) and Pinnock/EC (which is great HIP but sometimes not so impressive than Mackerras). I've downloaded both but I can't decide which to buy. ???
I've listened samples you suggested. These are good also.
Yes, for what it's worth I very much enjoyed the early symphonies in the first Mackerras cycle. I say "for what it's worth" because I'm no connoisseur of early Mozart recordings.
Have you seen the Martin Scorsese film called
After Hours? That was what first got me interested in early Mozart symphonies.
By the way, the Piano Concertos with Kocsis recorded for Hungaraton with Rolla at are well worth hearing too. Kocsis is a great musician I think.
I'm very tempted to by some of Norrington's Mozart with the SW German Radio Orchestra -- I've been so impressed by the one I heard on spotify with 41, and by the Haydn he recorded with them in fact.
The Pinnock set is great is many respects, at times a bit mechanical but that's a small issue. I still am in the race for Hogwood's take on them, and as said before I wait until the price is right.
Quote from: Mandryka on October 28, 2011, 01:30:24 AM
Yes, for what it's worth I very much enjoyed the early symphonies in the first Mackerras cycle. I say "for what it's worth" because I'm no connoisseur of early Mozart recordings.
For me the early symphonies is better with Pinnock but in the later symphonies (like the "Haffner" and "Linz") Mackerras was fresher and little bit more exciting. (I'm no connoisseur of early Mozart recordings also.) But speaking of early Mozart: Harnoncourt made recordings also from these wich CMW. But the reviews are very different on Amazon.
Quote from: Mandryka on October 28, 2011, 01:30:24 AM
Have you seen the Martin Scorsese film called After Hours? That was what first got me interested in early Mozart symphonies.
By the way, the Piano Concertos with Kocsis recorded for Hungaraton with Rolla at are well worth hearing too. Kocsis is a great musician I think.
I haven't seen that film yet unfortunately. There is a good video on Youtube where Kocsis playing the K 488 but unfortunately the orchestra (and the audience) seems a little bit uninterested. I had LPs years ago with Rolla/LFCO playing Mozart concertos with Dezső Ránki but these was very boring to me that time. The performance which turns me Mozart was Harnoncurt's Figaro at Salzburg, 2006. I've seen 2 fragment from it on a blog and I've shocked: wow, this can be Mozart also? After it I love Mozart's music (and that Figaro is my one and only opera-DVD).
Quote from: Harry on October 28, 2011, 01:46:06 AM
The Pinnock set is great is many respects, at times a bit mechanical but that's a small issue. I still am in the race for Hogwood's take on them, and as said before I wait until the price is right.
I am a great admirer of Hogwood/Levin (unfortunately unfinished) concerto-series but I've downloaded some of Hogwood other Mozart recordings (including symphonies) and strings seems a little bit shrill sometimes (on my poor earphones).
Quote from: Roberto on October 28, 2011, 02:10:16 AM
I am a great admirer of Hogwood/Levin (unfortunately unfinished) concerto-series but I've downloaded some of Hogwood other Mozart recordings (including symphonies) and strings seems a little bit shrill sometimes (on my poor earphones).
Yes that's explaining it my friend, the recordings are fine, even the Violins. Those earphones must be of a very good quality to produce a decent sound.
I haven't heard those early Harnoncourt symphonies (as I say I'm no connoisseur), and I too have really enjoyed that 2006 Figaro.
By the way there's a Symphony 38 from Harnoncourt on DVD with VCM which I really love. And I like some his CGBW records too -- the 39 for example, is very unique.
Tremendous recording of symphony 29 here by Toscanini in 1936 with the New York Philharmonic. This is at a different level of musicianship than the other 29s I like-- by comparison Maag or Mackerras or Klemperer are fine but mundane. Very good transfer:
(http://www.pristineclassical.com/media/Pictures/CDs150/PASC164.jpg)
the CD, from Pristine comes with a pretty fine Mozart PC27 with Serkin.
The mind reels . . . I feel that I do not want Toscanini anywhere near the K.201 . . . .
Can I ask a favour? Toscanini recorded 38, the Prague, too. Does anyone have it? Can someone let me have a download? It's extremely expensive -- 100s of dollars now.
Quote from: Mandryka on November 30, 2011, 10:10:59 AM
Tremendous recording of symphony 29 here by Toscanini in 1936 with the New York Philharmonic. This is at a different level of musicianship than the other 29s I like-- by comparison Maag or Mackerras or Klemperer are fine but mundane. Very good transfer:
(http://www.pristineclassical.com/media/Pictures/CDs150/PASC164.jpg)
the CD, from Pristine comes with a pretty fine Mozart PC27 with Serkin.
I don't doubt that the performances are good, but every Pristine release I have heard has sounded way too processed.
Quote from: Mandryka on October 28, 2011, 01:30:24 AM
I'm very tempted to by some of Norrington's Mozart with the SW German Radio Orchestra -- I've been so impressed by the one I heard on spotify with 41, and by the Haydn he recorded with them in fact.
I'm tempted too. I like the Norrington/Stuttgart "London" Symphonies almost as much as Szell's...and that's damn near heretical ;D Would like to own Norrington's Mozart also.
Sarge
Quote from: George on November 30, 2011, 10:48:38 AM
I don't doubt that the performances are good, but every Pristine release I have heard has sounded way too processed.
Yes well, what's the alternative? There's a transfer on a label called Iron Needle that sells for $100+. And who's to say what that sounds like?
Quote from: Mandryka on November 30, 2011, 11:30:31 AM
Yes well, what's the alternative? There's a transfer on a label called Iron Needle that sells for $100+. And who's to say what that sounds like?
Speaking only for myself, I guess the alternative is to either find someone who did an amateur, untreated transfer or simply do without.
I have no desire to give my money to people like Andrew Rose who produce work that I do not enjoy. I simply can't abide all that processing, noise reduction, fake stereo stuff that he does. And finding out recently that EMI, who are already the kings of noise reduction, have been using compression in their recent transfers has made me even more cautious about who I trust when it comes to historical transfers. That leaves plenty of money for labels/mastering engineers who do work that I do enjoy (Seth Winner, Ward Marston and Mark Obert Thorn.) Perhaps at some point they will transfer those Toscanini recordings, who knows?
Quote from: toucan on November 30, 2011, 02:56:42 PM
Awfully slow this Scherchen (on the 29th) - must be a German thing.
Wonder how Toscanini takes it - awfully fast; didn't take much to... needle him.
The 25th and 29th, they fit together well, sort of like the 40th and 41st.
The 25th is passionate - the 29th is touching. Bruno Walter does both well. Sometimes sticking with the predictable is the right thing to do
Which Scherchen 29 do you have -- Czech or Vienna?
Sounds liked you're stuck in a groove with 29. I can't remember Walter's in fact -- a late recording, or a pre war one?
Quote from: George on November 30, 2011, 11:55:05 AM
Speaking only for myself, I guess the alternative is to either find someone who did an amateur, untreated transfer or simply do without.
I have no desire to give my money to people like Andrew Rose who produce work that I do not enjoy. I simply can't abide all that processing, noise reduction, fake stereo stuff that he does. And finding out recently that EMI, who are already the kings of noise reduction, have been using compression in their recent transfers has made me even more cautious about who I trust when it comes to historical transfers. That leaves plenty of money for labels/mastering engineers who do work that I do enjoy (Seth Winner, Ward Marston and Mark Obert Thorn.) Perhaps at some point they will transfer those Toscanini recordings, who knows?
Obviously iof you don't enjoy it then steer well away, but I think that the performances transcend the sound problems.
I listened to the PC27 last night -- and then followed it with Abaddo/Serkin in the same concerto. There is a major shift ins tyle of course, and it's not just the conductor. I thought that the were good things in both, but the earlier one was for me far more interesting.
I'd like to explore Serkin's recordings with Toscanini. I only know this one and a very fine Beethoven PC4.
Quote from: Mandryka on November 30, 2011, 08:54:28 PMI'd like to explore Serkin's recordings with Toscanini. I only know this one and a very fine Beethoven PC4.
What years are they from? I have yet to hear Serkin with Toscanini.
Quote from: George on November 30, 2011, 09:02:18 PM
What years are they from? I have yet to hear Serkin with Toscanini.
The PC27 is 1936.
There are two complete PC4s, with with NBC and the other with the NY orchestra. You can still find the NBC one here:
http://tinyurl.com/d4tkt3e
I think that's it actually -- I don't think they recorded any more together.
Quote from: Mandryka on November 30, 2011, 10:00:58 PM
The PC27 is 1936.
There are two complete PC4s, with with NBC and the other with the NY orchestra. You can still find the NBC one here:
http://tinyurl.com/d4tkt3e
I think that's it actually -- I don't think they recorded any more together.
Thanks!
What does the braintrust think of this one? Love the guy's Beethoven.
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Quote from: chasmaniac on December 01, 2011, 04:20:39 AM
What does the braintrust think of this one? Love the guy's Beethoven.
Since none of the experts have answered this I'll take a stab.
I got this because I was looking for a HIP version which had some punch and power. This version more or less fits the bill. It's definitely "of its time" but doesn't sound wimpy. My only objections are that Van I. does the annoying HIP thing of taking too many repeats (like of development sections), and I thought the slow mvt. of #40 was a bit swift & lacking in menace. I still like my old Bruno Walter, but this is good to have as an alternative.
Quote from: Velimir on December 03, 2011, 08:20:32 AM
Since none of the experts have answered this I'll take a stab.
I got this because I was looking for a HIP version which had some punch and power. This version more or less fits the bill. It's definitely "of its time" but doesn't sound wimpy. My only objections are that Van I. does the annoying HIP thing of taking too many repeats (like of development sections), and I thought the slow mvt. of #40 was a bit swift & lacking in menace. I still like my old Bruno Walter, but this is good to have as an alternative.
That's a useful stab! Thanks.
If you are a member of symphonyshare, Toscanini's Prague symphony is now uploaded there ready for your collection.
Do try it, it's unforgettable in the opening adagio, and the rest of the first movement is deliciously aggressive and vulgar.
(http://ring.cdandlp.com/chapoultepek69/photo_grande/115129820.jpg)
(http://www.classicrecords.co.uk/photos/138709GRL.jpg)
I am drooling over old-school Mozart lately, it is like returning home, and I've forgotten the glory of these recordings. It feels so refreshing to return to these old MI accounts.
Right now listening to Fricsay's account of no.41 in C Major...so WOW.
8)
Quote from: Leo K on March 17, 2012, 08:34:08 AM
I am drooling over old-school Mozart lately, it is like returning home, and I've forgotten the glory of these recordings. It feels so refreshing to return to these old MI accounts.
Fricsay is actually far from "old school". He was one of the first conductors to embrace "lively, buoyant" Mozart, favoring lithe, streamlined lines and colorful sonorities. Quite the opposite of many Mozart conductors of his day.
He's always been my favorite Mozart conductor just for these qualities. Spunk over trudging.
Have you heard his Mozart opera recordings? Top 'o the heap!
Agreed. Friscsay's Mozart is special. As is his Haydn -- he really had a feel for the drama and intensity of classical symphonies. His Beethoven is good too -- there's an amazing Beethoven 9 with FiDi.
Quote from: Mandryka on December 03, 2011, 11:10:45 AM
If you are a member of symphonyshare, Toscanini's Prague symphony is now uploaded there ready for your collection.
Do try it, it's unforgettable in the opening adagio, and the rest of the first movement is deliciously aggressive and vulgar.
It's on YouTube too, like a lot of stuff one has been seeking to hear - in vain without spending a fortune.
Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on March 17, 2012, 06:10:44 PM
Fricsay is actually far from "old school". He was one of the first conductors to embrace "lively, buoyant" Mozart, favoring lithe, streamlined lines and colorful sonorities. Quite the opposite of many Mozart conductors of his day.
He's always been my favorite Mozart conductor just for these qualities. Spunk over trudging.
Have you heard his Mozart opera recordings? Top 'o the heap!
Thanks for the information, I haven't done a comparison with Fricsay's contempories and now I'd like to do that. I haven't heard his Mozart opera recordings yet, but thanks for the heads up on those!
Right now, I'm discovering this recording:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41KH5BJRSGL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
I have a bunch of Beecham's Haydn on old LPs and love them. Thought I'd give his Mozart a try and I'm GLAD I did!
8)
The most interesting Mozartians of that generation are Casals and Scherchen and Klemperer. I've never heard any Mozart symphonies from Van Beinum or from Rosbaud. If there are any they could be interesting as both are outstanding in Haydn symphonies.
Cantelli's 29 is another one worth catching. I don't know if he recorded more symphonies.
Oh by the way, be sure to check out Fricsay's RAIS Mozart symphonies. You may well like them more than the later Vienna records.
Myself, I would rate Rosbaud as a more significant Mozartian on record than Scherchen - he did record the first K.271 with Gieseking, his later collaborations with whom are superb (K.466 & 503), and apart from a horn concerto or two he regularly presented several major Mozart operas at the Aix-En-Provence Festival - one may admit of these that the recordings and a number of the singers are sometimes inadequate, but still: Le Nozze di Figaro is simply superb. And there are Mozart symphony recordings by him - K. 543 and 551. I have not heard these because I have only just discovered their existence and the 2 CDs they are in (with Mahler #7, which I already have & cherish) is too expensive for my pocket just now (Monograph, ever heard of that label? Me neither). P.S. Just found this review - the sound seems to be very poor, vitiating the performances to some considerable degree, so I won't be getting this:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/haydn-symphony-no-82-mozart-symphony-no-39-no-41-mahler-symphony-no-7-w135632/review
By the way, there are recordings with the SWF orchestra of several major Mozart symphonies by Ernest Bour, available as a very cheap collection in Germany/France. I haven't heard them - but if one believes as I do that he was not only nominally Rosbaud's successor at the SWR, as evidenced by his magnificent recordings with that orchestra of Schoenberg, Webern, Berg and Bartók among others, then they might be worth listening to - I am certainly going to try them. Another chief conductor of that orchestra was Michael Gielen, whom I have heard live conducting Mozart operas with brio but not symphonies; however, there is a really excellent K.543 out there on Arte Nova - I even prefer it to the performance by Erich Kleiber, who left us far too little of his Mozart (the Figaro is less gripping than Rosbaud's IMO).
After a long weekend with the ultra-Romantics, a little symphonic Mozart for a Monday:
(http://s7.postimage.org/5159z76e3/MOZ_Symph21_24_Bohm_BPO_LP.jpg)
(http://s14.postimage.org/kjzbiinm9/MOZ_Symph25_27_Marriner_St_Martin_LP.jpg)
And more . . .
and those:
(http://s16.postimage.org/yo69bfhut/MOZ_Symph28_29_Marriner_St_Martin_LP.jpg)
can't leave out these:
(http://s18.postimage.org/49b79gw1l/MOZ_Symph30_32_33_37_Marriner_St_Martin_LP.jpg)
aaah - Mozart really getting into serious business with symphonies:
(http://s18.postimage.org/irm6mori1/MOZ_Symph34_35_Harnoncourt_Concertgebouw_LP.jpg)
"Goodbye, Mr. Krips" -
(http://s7.postimage.org/4tzqoflzv/MOZ_Symph21_36_Krips_Concertgebouw_LP.jpg)
and we arrive at the first of the three greatest masterpieces:
(http://s7.postimage.org/jrhegxdzv/MOZ_Symph38_39_Karajan_BPO_LP.jpg)
and finally, the G minor & the Jupiter:
(http://s7.postimage.org/aheh4vi1n/MOZ_Symph40_41_Abbado_LSO_LP.jpg)
Wanted to bump this thread, as I have recently been enjoying Walter's stereo recordings of the Symphonies. I only wish there were more.
I am also curious about Krips, but I have read mixed accounts of his Mozart. How do folks feel he compares to Walter, Szell and Boehm?
Quote from: George on August 05, 2012, 04:55:10 AM
Wanted to bump this thread, as I have recently been enjoying Walter's stereo recordings of the Symphonies. I only wish there were more.
I am also curious about Krips, but I have read mixed accounts of his Mozart. How do folks feel he compares to Walter, Szell and Boehm?
The latest post from his GMG evangelist (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,46.msg647250.html#msg647250). ;)
Quote from: Opus106 on August 05, 2012, 05:09:18 AM
The latest post from his GMG evangelist (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,46.msg647250.html#msg647250). ;)
Thanks! (he doesn't compare Krips's style to the other conductors I mentioned, so perhaps he'll stop by and do so.)
I have this one
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name me the numbers you want to listen to and then you can compare yourself
Quote from: George on August 05, 2012, 05:22:52 AM
Thanks! (he doesn't compare Krips's style to the other conductors I mentioned, so perhaps he'll stop by and do so.)
George, you
have to visit the Identify Your Avatar thread ;D
Concerning your question about Krips. Can't help you. I haven't heard his Mozart (other than short clips).
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 05, 2012, 07:11:43 AM
George, you have to visit the Identify Your Avatar thread ;D
That be Amy Sedaris. From the awesome show Strangers With Candy. You
must Netflix it!!
Quote from: The Raven on August 05, 2012, 06:48:32 AM
I have this one
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name me the numbers you want to listen to and then you can compare yourself
Nos 39 and 41 would be great!
Also, If you or anyone else has compared this to the original Philips CDs, I'd love to know your impressions of the sound quality.
The whole Krips thing's on spotify George.
Quote from: Mandryka on August 05, 2012, 09:23:38 AM
The whole Krips thing's on spotify George.
Yes, but many tracks are missing in the USA. :-\
Quote from: George on August 05, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
Yes, but many tracks are missing in the USA. :-\
One more readon why the Uk is better.
Quote from: Mandryka on August 05, 2012, 09:47:30 AM
One more readon why the Uk is better.
Knew that was coming... ::)
Very much enjoying the Prague symphony here:
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What he does is take the opening adagio really seriously, it's like threatening Don Giovanni music, and the subsequent allegro is played pretty straight, no attempt to play it for laughs or lightness, and there's lots of interesting tensions and darkness.
Now, the reason for posting this is it reminded me of another Mozart performance I was enjoying in Spring -- The Petersen Quartet playing the Dissonance Quartet. They also find real darkness in the opening adagio and they also play the subsequent allegro highlighting tensions and avoiding joviality.
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We all know that Mozart wrote some dark music, stuff like the Masonic Funeral March. But what I like is performances which find intimations of this serious side to Mozart in unexpected places. Another example may be Furtwangler's Gran Partita.
Base on recommendation by Scarpia, I try Harnoncourt's effort with RCO.
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I really enjoy this performance. Tempo is fast but very energetic with well-judged detail. And the best thing is the sound from RCO, beautiful but very intense, unlike the gutsy sound of some HIP orchestra Harnoncourt works with. This performance definitely joined with Fricsay's, Klemperer's, and Scherchen's as my favorite performances :)
Quote from: George on November 30, 2011, 11:55:05 AM
And finding out recently that EMI, who are already the kings of noise reduction, have been using compression in their recent transfers has made me even more cautious about who I trust when it comes to historical transfers. That leaves plenty of money for labels/mastering engineers who do work that I do enjoy (Seth Winner, Ward Marston and Mark Obert Thorn.) Perhaps at some point they will transfer those Toscanini recordings, who knows?
Last EMI historical recording what I bought was the Dinu Lipatti complete set. That is a shame. Completely over-filtered and over-noise-reductioned. I will buy nothing from that series again. But their 3CD Furtwängler set was quite acceptable.
What about Opus Kura? They don't use any filtering and noise reduction and they have Mozart with Toscanini.
Quote from: trung224 on November 07, 2012, 02:36:08 PM
Base on recommendation by Scarpia, I try Harnoncourt's effort with RCO.
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I really enjoy this performance. Tempo is fast but very energetic with well-judged detail. And the best thing is the sound from RCO, beautiful but very intense, unlike the gutsy sound of some HIP orchestra Harnoncourt works with. This performance definitely joined with Fricsay's, Klemperer's, and Scherchen's as my favorite performances :)
Glad you enjoyed it. That series of recordings utterly changed my view of Mozart.
Quote from: Roberto on July 08, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
What about Opus Kura?
They are one of the best, IMO.
Quote from: George on July 08, 2013, 12:49:46 PM
They are one of the best, IMO.
I agree. But sometimes they should use better sources and playing.
TTT! Mozart's Symphonies - this thread has been dormant for 7 years! ??? I'm currently going through my Wolfie collection wanting to 'cull out' some numerous duplications to clear up space. Over the years, I've accumulated the recordings/boxes below, i.e. all in the top row & Hogwood + Pinnock in the bottom row - like them all, although not sure that I need the Mackerras duplications of the late Symphonies, although the orchestras/performances are different.
BUT, main reason for posting was after perusing Amazon USA for any newer releases - the one found is at bottom right, i.e. Jaap Ter Linden who founded the 'Mozart Akademie Amsterdam' in 2000; the recordings were made on period instruments in 2001-2002 - these performances are available on Spotify, so may be a listen later - also, attached are 3 reviews w/ laudatory comments. So, just wondering if anyone has heard this relatively 'new' set of Wolfie Symphonies? Dave :)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71newI1vRGL._SL1400_.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71GkLL4GV7L._SL1200_.jpg) (https://www.linnrecords.com/sites/default/files/styles/square_400/public/album_cover/CKD%20350%20Sleeve.png?itok=Q5d3tfKI) (https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiNzk2MTk4Ni4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0MDE5ODI1NTN9)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/717YC60i6TL._SL1200_.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/4193Um0rVKL.jpg) (https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiNzk5NjQ1OS4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0MDE5ODI1NDl9)
Reading through this thread, I feel obliged to disagree with my nine-years-younger self on Tate. I still wouldn't consider it my favorite set, but I've listened to it much more in the intervening years, and either I've mellowed or I've come to appreciate it. I would definitely recommend it if you're specifically looking for performances of the early "juvenile" symphonies -- he can't really compete with the many classic Jupiters, etc. mentioned throughout the thread...
Quote from: jwinter on September 28, 2011, 06:01:50 AM
Pee-yoo, get some soap, will ya? ;D
This was the first Mozart set I bought, and for a while I was quite fond of it; but I've since found many more that I prefer, and frankly I seldom come back to it. I can't point to anything really wrong with Tate, per se; I just think he takes things a bit too straight for me. It's all a bit four-square and even-tempered, almost too classical if that makes any sense; he doesn't capture the beauty of this music the way Bohm does, for example. I tend to prefer conductors that let the music breathe (read: play it too slow like an old fart ;D ), or conversely give it a lively spring to it's step; the middle approach doesn't appeal to me much, but YMMV of course...
Quote from: SonicMan46 on April 15, 2020, 11:53:45 AM
TTT! Mozart's Symphonies - this thread has been dormant for 7 years! ??? I'm currently going through my Wolfie collection wanting to 'cull out' some numerous duplications to clear up space. Over the years, I've accumulated the recordings/boxes below, i.e. all in the top row & Hogwood + Pinnock in the bottom row - like them all, although not sure that I need the Mackerras duplications of the late Symphonies, although the orchestras/performances are different.
BUT, main reason for posting was after perusing Amazon USA for any newer releases - the one found is at bottom right, i.e. Jaap Ter Linden who founded the 'Mozart Akademie Amsterdam' in 2000; the recordings were made on period instruments in 2001-2002 - these performances are available on Spotify, so may be a listen later - also, attached are 3 reviews w/ laudatory comments. So, just wondering if anyone has heard this relatively 'new' set of Wolfie Symphonies? Dave :)
(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiNzk5NjQ1OS4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0MDE5ODI1NDl9)
The Jaap Ter Linden is also included in the big red Brilliant box. I haven't heard it in a bit, but I remember being quite pleased with it -- very much worth a listen...
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Thanks j winter for your comments - believe that I had a few discs of Jeffrey Tate a while ago but likely culled out - just checked and his symphony 'box set' has excellent comments on Amazon USA - but I need to listen to Jaap Ter Linden on Spotify soon! Dave :)
How important is it to hear the complete Mozart symphonies? I am sure I've heard less than half of them.
Quote from: vers la flamme on April 15, 2020, 01:47:14 PM
How important is it to hear the complete Mozart symphonies? I am sure I've heard less than half of them.
Well, a good question, but 'importance' like 'beauty' is in the eye or mind of the beholder - ;) Take a look at this LIST (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonies_by_Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart) (and keep in mind that 40+ is just an approximation of the number of Wolfie's Symphonies - some are doubtful and others not listed w/ K numbers) - notice that most of these K works were written before Mozart was 20 y/o - the last 10 or so after that age - SO, if you want to concentrate on his more 'mature' works, then just listen to the last dozen or so - BUT, I must say having gone through a lot of 'complete' recordings, the earlier works are quite enjoyable - even as a teenager, he could write an excellent symphony that surpasses some of the lower tiered composers of his time. At the moment, I'm listening to his 'juvenile' works done by Jaap Ter Linden on Spotify (below AirPlayed to my Apple TV - on the den speakers) - worth hearing at least once. Dave :)
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Quote from: j winter on April 15, 2020, 12:07:38 PM
The Jaap Ter Linden is also included in the big red Brilliant box. I haven't heard it in a bit, but I remember being quite pleased with it -- very much worth a listen...
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I should tarry with that set a while.
Excellent Prague Symphony:
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Quote from: vers la flamme on April 15, 2020, 01:47:14 PM
How important is it to hear the complete Mozart symphonies? I am sure I've heard less than half of them.
I'm in the process of listening to them all in this set:
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Currently I've listened to the first 4 discs (out of 11) and never encountered a dull one, even the very first is actually quite grabbing. If you can put aside any preconceived notions about what a symphony is (and I concede that for post-Beethovenian and post-Mahlerian listeners the exercise might be difficult) and just wallow in the bittersweet soundworld so typical of Mozart even in his early years then hours of pleasure awaits you.
Quote from: vers la flamme on April 15, 2020, 01:47:14 PM
How important is it to hear the complete Mozart symphonies? I am sure I've heard less than half of them.
Not very important at all. All the great ones are included in No 25 onwards. The early ones are pleasant listening and get them if you are curious. I have the Jaap Ter Linden set (symphonies only) and enjoyed hearing it but haven't returned to the early ones very often (if at all). I re-listened to a couple when someone in another forum flew into a rage when I made a similar suggestion; it didn't change my opinion.
Conductors like Harnoncourt give more life to the early symphonies. Generally I prefer more weighty Mozart than HIP, but I like him (he also did Beethovenesque big Mozart with Concertgebouw, very good, cf posts above). On the other hand, Linden is too light for me, but I'll be giving say the Haffner, maybe suitable for his style, a listen now ...
Quote from: MusicTurner on April 16, 2020, 12:54:46 AM
Conductors like Harnoncourt give more life to the early symphonies. Generally I prefer more weighty Mozart than HIP, but I like him (he also did Beethovenesque big Mozart with Concertgebouw, very good, cf posts above). On the other hand, Linden is too light for me, but I'll be giving say the Haffner, maybe suitable for his style, a listen now ...
I greatly prefer a chamber orchestra (not necessarily period instruments) in the symphonies and always have done. I do have some recordings with a full orchestra, including the Sony set of Szell's complete Mozart symphony recordings.
I have a great memory of hearing Rafael Kubelik conduct the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra in all its glory in No 41 - an overwhelming experience but not very HIP.
Heard the Linden 'Haffner', but in relation to my own taste, everything was 'wrong'. Including phrasing and accents, orchestral picture and sounds, tempi, lyricism and/or impressiveness, etc. But: taste varies ...
Some classics for me in this work would be Karajan/EMI (!), Harnoncourt/CtGeb, Walter/ColSO, Celibidache/DG. Listening for example to the finale compared to Linden will give results that are very different from his version.
Today I listened to three versions of Mozart's Symphony No. 40. Each one was by a favoured Mozart interpreter of mine. I cross post from the Listening Thread simply to hopefully bump this thread.
Mozart: Symphony No. 40 [Tate]
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This version is terrifically full blooded with wonderful woodwinds. It is, however, powerful without being aggressive. It has a great presence. It is also graceful and elegant.
Mozart: Symphony No. 40 [Mackerras]
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The Mackerras version is also a robust version and the Prague Chamber has a wonderful voice. The presentation is very full sounding throughout. With the exception of the slow movement Mackerras takes the tempo quite quickly but not aggressively so. I like the somewhat warm sound of this one.
Mozart: Symphony No. 40 [Hogwood]
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Brisk, but not too fast, in tempo and light of touch but still sounding very full. It is strong and powerful but not overly assertive and is always elegant and full of charm, poise and refinement throughout.
During the 2020 lockdown I've listened to this whole set:
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and it's been essential for keeping my sanity during those dire times.
I own the Boehm, Marriner and Mackerras sets too (which I've listened to only very partially and liked what I've heard), and have the Tate and Hogwood on seek-and-capture mode.
Quote from: aligreto on April 15, 2021, 01:15:33 PM
Today I listened to three versions of Mozart's Symphony No. 40. Each one was by a favoured Mozart interpreter of mine. I cross post from the Listening Thread simply to hopefully bump this thread.
Mozart: Symphony No. 40 [Tate]
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This version is terrifically full blooded with wonderful woodwinds. It is, however, powerful without being aggressive. It has a great presence. It is also graceful and elegant.
Mozart: Symphony No. 40 [Mackerras]
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The Mackerras version is also a robust version and the Prague Chamber has a wonderful voice. The presentation is very full sounding throughout. With the exception of the slow movement Mackerras takes the tempo quite quickly but not aggressively so. I like the somewhat warm sound of this one.
Mozart: Symphony No. 40 [Hogwood]
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Brisk, but not too fast, in tempo and light of touch but still sounding very full. It is strong and powerful but not overly assertive and is always elegant and full of charm, poise and refinement throughout.
I have the later Mackerras on Linn SACD, it is quite good. Dynamic, dramatic reading, though for me, Szell still holds the crown for this symphony for me.
Nice to see Tate's Mozart set get some love, I've always liked it -- graceful and elegant is a good way to describe it. Last year I picked up the Uchida/Tate piano concertos to go with it; I think I'm probably the only person in the world to have bought that PC set primarily for the conductor rather than the pianist... :-\
Quote from: Florestan on April 15, 2021, 01:23:34 PM
During the 2020 lockdown I've listened to this whole set:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/7129e%2BWXiDL._SX355_.jpg)
and it's been essential for keeping my sanity during those dire times.
I own the Boehm, Marriner and Mackerras sets too (which I've listened to only very partially and liked what I've heard), and have the Tate and Hogwood on seek-and-capture mode.
I do have the Boehm also and the two following sets by Pinnock:
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Quote from: George on April 15, 2021, 01:31:52 PM
I have the later Mackerras on Linn SACD, it is quite good. Dynamic, dramatic reading, though for me, Szell still holds the crown for this symphony for me.
I have not heard the later Mackerras on Linn but I do understand that it is also very good. Neither have I heard the Szell version of Symphony no. 40.
Quote from: j winter on April 15, 2021, 06:14:26 PM
Nice to see Tate's Mozart set get some love, I've always liked it -- graceful and elegant is a good way to describe it. Last year I picked up the Uchida/Tate piano concertos to go with it; I think I'm probably the only person in the world to have bought that PC set primarily for the conductor rather than the pianist... :-\
Yes I originally bought the Tate set blind and I loved it from the moment that I did so.
Mozart Symphony No. 40 [Steinberg]
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Steinberg, to my ear, gives this music the Romantic feel treatment as opposed to the Classical feel treatment, if you know what I mean. Speeds are notably slower than the above that I have recently listed. The word ponderous would be a bit harsh so let us say that I feel it is just a bit laboured. The music is certainly breathing and all of the lines are clearly heard and well played. It is just the tempo that I have a bit of an issue with. The slow movement is a lethargic snooze fest and one dances to the Minuet with Wellington boots on! The most successful movement, to my ear, is overwhelmingly the final movement. Steinberg lets rip here, relatively speaking, and this is most likely what I was expecting when I originally bought this version.
Mozart: Symphony No. 12 [Hogwood]
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I particularly like Symphony No. 12 of Mozart's early symphonies. This version is taken suitably briskly which portrays the youthful energy and excitement inherently running through the music, particularly in the outer movements. It is still elegant and graceful in the slow movement and the Minuet, however.
Quote from: aligreto on April 17, 2021, 05:32:38 AM
Mozart: Symphony No. 12 [Hogwood]
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I particularly like Symphony No. 12 of Mozart's early symphonies. This version is taken suitably briskly which portrays the youthful energy and excitement inherently running through the music, particularly in the outer movements. It is still elegant and graceful in the slow movement and the Minuet, however.
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Thanks for the reminder, as I neglect these earlier symphonies. #12 on mine is well played as well, though slightly slower than yours. Sound on these Naxos Mozart Symphonies cond by Ward is excellent, a nice way to pick up the first 20 symphonies in great sound for a great price.
For 21-41 I have and very much enjoy the Decca Krips set, recommended by our very own Jens Laurson. For alternatives in the later symphnonies, I supplement the Krips set with various recordings by Szell, Walter, Mackerras, Reiner and Fricsay.
Quote from: George on April 17, 2021, 08:10:48 AM
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Thanks for the reminder, as I neglect these earlier symphonies. #12 on mine is well played as well, though slightly slower than yours. Sound on these Naxos Mozart Symphonies cond by Ward is excellent, a nice way to pick up the first 20 symphonies in great sound for a great price.
For 21-41 I have and very much enjoy the Decca Krips set, recommended by our very own Jens Laurson. For alternatives in the later symphnonies, I supplement the Krips set with various recordings by Szell, Walter, Mackerras, Reiner and Fricsay.
Actually, George, I think that Ward does very well with the early Mozart symphonies. I agree with your comment on collecting those early symphonies presented by Ward.
Mozart: Symphony No. 29 [Hogwood]
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This symphony is another favourite of mine particularly the opening movement. It gets a fine, robust presentation here with plenty of nervous energy abounding. One can feel it in those higher register strings accompanied by that underlying lower register string counterpoint. The slow movement is very elegant and poised, as is the third movement Minuet. The final movement returns to the tone and character of the opening movement. The tension of the nervous excitement is wonderful.
Well, has been a couple+ years since this thread was active - now listening to Pinnock in the later symphonies - my current collection shown below - just listened to a couple of Hurwitz YouTube videos on Wolfie symphony boxes and on the late symphony sets - he feel's Pinnock is the better PI offering vs. Hogwood (thinks now 'dated') - he contradicts himself on the Mackerras Prague box, i.e. one of the best in one video and the 'dumps' in another (what!). And he strongly recommends Mackerras w/ the Scottish group in the late works.
Now, I've not listened to Hogwood in a while but these are now 40+ years old and were at the start of the PI 'renaissance' - are they dated or worth their 'weight in gold'? And feelings on the Mackerras Prague box - otherwise and most importantly, any newer and/or remastered performances worth considering? And what are your top 2-3 Wolfie symphony sets at the moment - ;D Dave
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In sound and performance, these sets are second to none. Highly recommended!
Quote from: George on May 29, 2023, 11:49:38 AMIn sound and performance, these sets are second to none. Highly recommended!
Thanks
George - doing a re-listening at the moment and greatly enjoying - will be keepers for me! 8) Dave
Dave, I think I disagree with Hurwitz. While I think that Pinnock is good, I also think that it is closer to traditional and delivers fairly conservative performances even using period instruments. Hogwood really went for it, and as a result his recordings have aged better and provide more contrast as compared to your MI recordings. I would still choose newer PI recordings. And don't get me wrong, the Pinnock is quite good... but yeah if I had to choose it would be Hogwood.
Quote from: DavidW on June 01, 2023, 06:11:40 AMDave, I think I disagree with Hurwitz. While I think that Pinnock is good, I also think that it is closer to traditional and delivers fairly conservative performances even using period instruments. Hogwood really went for it, and as a result his recordings have aged better and provide more contrast as compared to your MI recordings. I would still choose newer PI recordings. And don't get me wrong, the Pinnock is quite good... but yeah if I had to choose it would be Hogwood.
Thanks
David - I did listen to several Hogwood discs yesterday and despite their older vintage (vs. Pinnock) was still pleased w/ the performances - SO, I'll just stay 'pat' for the moment. Dave :)
Quote from: George on May 29, 2023, 11:49:38 AMIn sound and performance, these sets are second to none. Highly recommended!
Strange how reactions vary. I know this set is loved by many, but despite eagerly anticipating it, I found it disappointing. I was thinking of revisiting it, but found my discs had rotted and would not play.
These are very good imho.
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Quote from: SonicMan46 on May 29, 2023, 10:46:10 AMAnd what are your top 2-3 Wolfie symphony sets at the moment - ;D Dave
A few of Böhm's Mozart symphonies are too ponderous, but for the most part, this is my favorite set, if nothing else than to hear the Berlin PO from that era. The blu-ray helps a lot too.
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Finally picked up my first complete set of the Mozart symphonies. For years I had a set cobbled together with Ward/Naxos in the early symphonies and the Kruips set of nos 21-41, along with Szell, Walter, Mackerras (SACDs) and Fricsay in the late works.
Hurwitz gave this set a thumbs up on his survey of Mozart sets, I sampled it on Spotify and loved it. Unfortunately it was OOP, so I waited until I could find a cheap copy. Today was the day! Scored a like new copy for $23 at a local used store.
Enjoying CD 1 now.
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Finally picked up my first complete set of the Mozart symphonies. For years I had a set cobbled together with Ward/Naxos in the early symphonies and the Kruips set of nos 21-41, along with Szell, Walter, Mackerras (SACDs) and Fricsay in the late works.
Hurwitz gave this set a thumbs up on his survey of Mozart sets, I sampled it on Spotify and loved it. Unfortunately it was OOP, so I waited until I could find a cheap copy. Today was the day! Scored a like new copy for $23 at a local used store.
Enjoying CD 1 now.
Nicely done!
Quote from: Karl Henning on April 23, 2024, 05:10:08 PMNicely done!
Thanks!
I find that patience is a collector's greatest asset.