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Poll
Question: Who do you prefer? Allowed up to three votes.
Option 1: Barber votes: 13
Option 2: Schuman votes: 9
Option 3: Carter votes: 5
Option 4: Piston votes: 6
Option 5: Thomson votes: 0
Option 6: Harris votes: 2
Option 7: Still votes: 0
Option 8: Persichetti votes: 0
Option 9: Mennin votes: 2
Option 10: Creston votes: 1
Option 11: Diamond votes: 8
Option 12: Bernstein votes: 6
Option 13: Hovhaness votes: 2
Option 14: Feldman votes: 6
Option 15: Cage votes: 2
Option 16: Babbitt votes: 3
Option 17: Sessions votes: 1
Option 18: Ruggles votes: 3
Title: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Mirror Image on April 16, 2012, 06:42:59 PM
Who do you prefer? Allowed up to three votes.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Sammy on April 16, 2012, 08:01:31 PM
Sammy thinks it would be a fine idea to add Copland. ;D
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Mirror Image on April 17, 2012, 06:47:04 AM
Quote from: Sammy on April 16, 2012, 08:01:31 PM
Sammy thinks it would be a fine idea to add Copland. ;D

Then Sammy should look at the first poll simply titled Showdown In America: Copland vs. Ives vs. Gershwin. :)
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Sammy on April 17, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 17, 2012, 06:47:04 AM
Then Sammy should look at the first poll simply titled Showdown In America: Copland vs. Ives vs. Gershwin. :)

Okay.  Sammy's memory isn't as good as it used to be. :)
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: springrite on April 17, 2012, 09:25:12 AM
If I am allowed only one vote: Feldman


If I am allowed only two votes: add Carter

Since I am allowed three votes, I considered Diamond, Cage, but decided on Mennin.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Sammy on April 17, 2012, 09:51:58 AM
Schuman, Piston and Diamond.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: springrite on April 17, 2012, 09:53:56 AM
Henning will be one of the choices in Part III...
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: PaulSC on April 17, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: springrite on April 17, 2012, 09:25:12 AM
If I am allowed only one vote: Feldman


If I am allowed only two votes: add Carter

Since I am allowed three votes, I considered Diamond, Cage, but decided on Mennin.
Our first- and second-place votes match (but in the opposite order)! For my third vote, I considered Mennin and Ruggles but went with Babbitt. (Ruggles might have come out ahead if he had written more...)
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Sergeant Rock on April 17, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
Barber, Schuman, Bernstein

Sarge
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: mszczuj on April 17, 2012, 12:07:59 PM
Partch? Cowell? Hanson?
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 17, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
I voted for Bernstein and Barber. :)
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: springrite on April 17, 2012, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on April 17, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
I voted for Bernstein and Barber. :)

Add Babbitt and you'd have the American Three B's
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: madaboutmahler on April 17, 2012, 12:26:56 PM
Voted for Bernstein, Barber, and even though I know so little of his music, Schuman.

I still need to explore a few of the composers on this list.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Conor71 on April 17, 2012, 12:26:57 PM
Barber, Hovhaness and Feldman :)
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 17, 2012, 01:59:00 PM
Quote from: springrite on April 17, 2012, 12:21:29 PM
Add Babbitt and you'd have the American Three B's

:)

I'm afraid I have to improve my knowledge of the other composers included in the list.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Mirror Image on April 20, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
Schuman and Barber were almost automatic votes from me but when it came to a third vote I went with Diamond because I'm still highly impressed with his symphonies. Ask for my third choice on another day and I probably would have went with Piston.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Scion7 on April 26, 2012, 07:27:50 PM
What, no Griffes??
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Elnimio on May 04, 2012, 09:00:57 AM
Mennin, Diamond and yes, Creston.

Creston is very underrated here, it seems. No other American composer had  his rhythmic inventiveness and drive.

But then again, I am drawn to rhythmic energy while others aren't, so...

Also, that list is definitely missing George Rochberg, and perhaps Morton Gould.

Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Drasko on May 04, 2012, 09:13:00 AM
Ruggles & Piston, let's say Diamond for third vote.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Elnimio on May 04, 2012, 09:22:37 AM
Carl Ruggles was great, but it's almost impossible to find his music in good quality, aside from Sun-Treader and Men and Mountains. He also did not write much at all, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Drasko on May 04, 2012, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: Elnimio on May 04, 2012, 09:22:37 AM
Carl Ruggles was great, but it's almost impossible to find his music in good quality, aside from Sun-Treader and Men and Mountains. He also did not write much at all, unfortunately.

Tilson Thomas' Buffalo recordings had just been released on CD, for the first time I believe.

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Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Elnimio on May 04, 2012, 09:39:56 AM
How's the sound quality?
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Drasko on May 04, 2012, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: Elnimio on May 04, 2012, 09:39:56 AM
How's the sound quality?

Don't know, haven't bought the CD set yet, it's just been released.

I still have LP transfers loudav did for avant-garde project. They sound pretty good to my ears, and still can be downloaded for free, try for yourself:

http://archive.org/details/agp167
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Mirror Image on May 13, 2012, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: mszczuj on April 17, 2012, 12:07:59 PM
Partch? Cowell? Hanson?

What about them?
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Mirror Image on May 13, 2012, 11:28:34 PM
Quote from: Elnimio on May 04, 2012, 09:39:56 AM
How's the sound quality?

The audio quality is great. For the Ruggles fan, this is an essential acquisition IMHO.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: mszczuj on May 13, 2012, 11:36:11 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 13, 2012, 11:27:42 PM
What about them?

I just miss them.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Operafreak on March 10, 2022, 08:32:24 PM
Quote from: Sammy on April 16, 2012, 08:01:31 PM
Sammy thinks it would be a fine idea to add Copland. ;D



He's boring the neighbours for about 4 years now with his polls/ games.  :'(
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: vandermolen on March 13, 2022, 12:07:07 AM
Difficult to choose but, if pushed I'd have to say:

Harris (he's not very popular on the forum is he?)

Diamond

Barber or Bernstein
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: steve ridgway on March 13, 2022, 07:12:06 AM
I like Ruggles and some Cage, haven't heard much, if any, of the others yet.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Mirror Image on March 13, 2022, 07:35:45 AM
Quote from: steve ridgway on March 13, 2022, 07:12:06 AM
I like Ruggles and some Cage, haven't heard much, if any, of the others yet.

Ruggles is fantastic! Give a listen to the 2-CD set from Tilson Thomas of the complete works. I bought it years ago, but it's long been OOP. If you're a streamer, I'm sure you can find it.
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: steve ridgway on March 13, 2022, 09:34:54 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 13, 2022, 07:35:45 AM
Ruggles is fantastic! Give a listen to the 2-CD set from Tilson Thomas of the complete works. I bought it years ago, but it's long been OOP. If you're a streamer, I'm sure you can find it.

I downloaded it from archive.org :P
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: Mirror Image on March 13, 2022, 07:54:39 PM
Quote from: steve ridgway on March 13, 2022, 09:34:54 AM
I downloaded it from archive.org :P

What's the fidelity of archive.org? AAC? Mp3? High bitrates?
Title: Re: Showdown In America: Part 2 - Barber vs. Schuman vs. Carter vs. Ruggles vs....
Post by: steve ridgway on March 13, 2022, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 13, 2022, 07:54:39 PM
What's the fidelity of archive.org? AAC? Mp3? High bitrates?

People upload in a number of formats from low bitrate MP3 to 24 bit / 96 kHz FLAC and sometimes both MP3 and FLAC. The Ruggles was in FLAC. A lot of uploads are from vinyl of various degrees of wear. What gives me the most work though is splitting works where there are just FLACs for "Side 1" and "Side 2", and actually identifying the recordings by comparing with Discogs listings.