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Title: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: Beale on August 02, 2012, 08:14:15 AM
What are your recommended recordings of the Carnival of the Animals? To which animal(s) do you pay the most attention?
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: eyeresist on August 02, 2012, 05:47:01 PM
The one with Ogden Nash's words spoken by Noel Coward is much fun, though in ancient sound. You can get an MP3 of the whole thing for a dollar (http://www.amazon.com/Sa%C3%ABns-The-Carnaval-Animals/dp/B001RK06YW/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1343957356&sr=1-2).

Avoid the Martha Argerich one. In theory it should be interesting to hear this original chamber version, but the attempt to make the Pianists section funny is just irritating.
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: TheGSMoeller on August 02, 2012, 06:24:52 PM
Quote from: eyeresist on August 02, 2012, 05:47:01 PM
The one with Ogden Nash's words spoken by Noel Coward is much fun, though in ancient sound. You can get an MP3 of the whole thing for a dollar (http://www.amazon.com/Sa%C3%ABns-The-Carnaval-Animals/dp/B001RK06YW/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1343957356&sr=1-2).

That is wonderful, and the ancient sound adds character to the piece. Thanks for mentioning it, Mr. Resist.
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: Ataraxia on August 02, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: eyeresist on August 02, 2012, 05:47:01 PM
The one with Ogden Nash's words spoken by Noel Coward is much fun, though in ancient sound. You can get an MP3 of the whole thing for a dollar (http://www.amazon.com/Sa%C3%ABns-The-Carnaval-Animals/dp/B001RK06YW/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1343957356&sr=1-2).


Yeah, thanks!
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: eyeresist on August 02, 2012, 07:02:31 PM
I should also point out, for those who haven't noticed it, that the Tortoises melody is actually Offenbach's Can-Can slowed down!
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: The new erato on August 02, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
This is outstanding:

[asin]B0000DIGJ7[/asin]
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: eyeresist on August 02, 2012, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: The new erato on August 02, 2012, 08:19:38 PMThis is outstanding:

[asin]B0000DIGJ7[/asin]

Sadly, this too screws up les Pianistes. Is this actually in the score of the chamber version?

EDIT:

I downloaded the chamber score from IMSLP. There's nothing written on the actual staves, but at the bottom of the page it says:
Quote(*) Les executants devront imiter le jeu d'un debutant et sa gaucherie (Note des Editeurs)
[The pianists should imitate the hesitant style and awkwardness of a beginner. (Editors' note)]

Note that this is the editors' anotation, not the composer's.
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: Beale on August 05, 2012, 08:41:53 AM
Quote from: eyeresist on August 02, 2012, 05:47:01 PM
The one with Ogden Nash's words spoken by Noel Coward is much fun, though in ancient sound. You can get an MP3 of the whole thing for a dollar (http://www.amazon.com/Sa%C3%ABns-The-Carnaval-Animals/dp/B001RK06YW/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1343957356&sr=1-2).

Avoid the Martha Argerich one. In theory it should be interesting to hear this original chamber version, but the attempt to make the Pianists section funny is just irritating.

Thanks, but I couldn't do the Amazon MP3 download outside of the US. Might give the CD below a try.

The 'Pianists' is meant to be irritatingly repeated scales, right?
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: Que on August 05, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
Quote from: The new erato on August 02, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
This is outstanding:

[asin]B0000DIGJ7[/asin]

Ditto.  :)

Q
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: eyeresist on August 05, 2012, 06:18:37 PM
Quote from: Beale on August 05, 2012, 08:41:53 AMThanks, but I couldn't do the Amazon MP3 download outside of the US. Might give the CD below a try.

I have the same trouble with Amazon MP3s - my sister is now in the US, so I am thinking of asking her to do me a favour ;)


Quote from: Beale on August 05, 2012, 08:41:53 AMThe 'Pianists' is meant to be irritatingly repeated scales, right?

I don't find the scales as such irritating. In orchestral performances, they create a sense of drive and anticipation.
What's irritating is that this sense is lost in the existing recordings of the chamber version, because the pianists deliberately speed up and slow down and get out of sync, the result being bad slapstick (or a typical Argerich piano duo performance :P ).
Title: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: pbarach on August 05, 2012, 06:39:39 PM
Previn and Pittsburgh, if still available. Includes an outstanding "Swan."
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: Que on August 05, 2012, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: eyeresist on August 05, 2012, 06:18:37 PM
[..] because the pianists deliberately speed up and slow down and get out of sync, the result being bad slapstick.

I was always under the impression that was the composer's idea? That that is supposed to be the (musical) joke? :)

Q
Title: Re: Saint-Saëns Carnival of the Animals
Post by: eyeresist on August 05, 2012, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: Que on August 05, 2012, 09:34:08 PMI was always under the impression that was the composer's idea? That that is supposed to be the (musical) joke? :)

See my previous post:

Quote from: eyeresist on August 02, 2012, 10:03:17 PMI downloaded the chamber score from IMSLP. There's nothing written on the actual staves, but at the bottom of the page it says:
Quote(*) Les executants devront imiter le jeu d'un debutant et sa gaucherie (Note des Editeurs)
[The pianists should imitate the hesitant style and awkwardness of a beginner. (Editors' note)]

Note that this is the editors' anotation, not the composer's.

I've only heard this approach in the chamber version, not the orchestral, so I assume the enlarged score doesn't have this notation.