(http://www.greatestclassical.com/fiftyshades/images/fifty_shades.jpg)
http://www.greatestclassical.com/fiftyshades/
Quote from: Brian on August 08, 2012, 11:53:59 AM
(http://www.greatestclassical.com/fiftyshades/images/fifty_shades.jpg)
http://www.greatestclassical.com/fiftyshades/
I see an x and the link doesn't work for me....
Quote from: Brian on August 08, 2012, 11:53:59 AM
(http://www.greatestclassical.com/fiftyshades/images/fifty_shades.jpg)
http://www.greatestclassical.com/fiftyshades/
That the owners of EMI are desperate have been obvious for quite some time.....
Quote from: mc ukrneal on August 08, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
I see an x and the link doesn't work for me....
You're a lucky man. It's the cover art and dedicated website for "Fifty Shades of Grey: The Classical Album," with music selected by the author of the novels for optimal reader...uh...stimulation.
I, for one, eagerly await the CD. Fifty Shades of Grey is literature for the ages. The music selected will be of the same standard.
For those who want just a taste before biting, hear a master read from the source. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA)
Dear God, it even has Pachelbel's Canon on it.....
If it makes them enough money to record more HJ Lim, I'm for it.
Hard to tell if that's tongue-in-cheek or not... :)
As for me, I don't really need to boycott them especially, since AFAIK I don't buy more than 1 or 2 disks a year on that label. 0:)
8)
Oh my. I certainly don't want to encourage this, but if we stop buying the good stuff from EMI, they have to go more in this direction in order to make money.
I clicked on this Thread thinking it was going to be some kind of ridiculous political thing, or some embarrassing rant by one of our gentle contributors,... but,...
THIS IS SERIOUS!! :o
I AM LITERALLY shaking with APOPLEXY!! I feel like a mind control slave just having seen my 'trigger' (think the quenn-of-diamonds from Manchurian Candidate),... aye, I thought the early '90s were over ('Baby Needs Mozart'), but, but, but,...
Oh,.. aaand it has Pachelbel too, yea, oh,...ah,...aye,...mm,...
How many of us are now staring off into space, traumatized?
Ah, it's been sooo long since I had to actually handle those shitty cds at Tower,... endless 'Baby' this and that,... basically telling ME that classical was for idiots,... oh, I need a massage, I can feel the throbbing in the temples,...
50 Shades of Classical my foot. :'( :'(
Porno Classics!! (Bolero,...)
I mean, IS Bolero on it???
This is absolutely no reason to boycott EMI, one of the greatest of classical labels, with its catalogue of so many
magnificent recordings of such a wide repertoire with so many great musicians,past and present .
This CD is nothing but an attempt to increase sales using popular appeal, something which could potentially
raise much-needed funds for worthwhile recording projects of interesting off-beat repertoire .
Remember Decca's Three Tenors CD ? This brought in the funds to pay for the justly acclaimed Degenerate music series .
Without this, we may never have had those invaluable recordings of composers such as Pavel Haas,
Erwin Schulhoff, Walter Braunfels, Victor Ullmann and Hans Krasa etc .
They've just disgraced my Rachmaninoff. :(
I dunno - if it gets a wider audience, what's the harm? If the composers were living I think they'd be glad for the royalties?
I haven't read the book, but I don't think it is necessarily a good sign that this sort thing has become the most popular thing in book publishing. (You could argue that it is not as bad as Harry Potter, I guess.) But taking that for granted, the CD release seems to be quite reasonable. It contains classical music which is described or referred to in the book.
Who's E.L. James? And what's Fifty Shades of Grey? (Judging from the foregoing I'm probably better off blissfully ignorant.)
Quote from: DavidRoss on August 09, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
Who's E.L. James? And what's Fifty Shades of Grey? (Judging from the foregoing I'm probably better off blissfully ignorant.)
It's an S&M themed semi-porno novel that has apparently become wildly popular among middle-aged women. Clink the link somewhere above of Gilbert Gottfied reading excerpts to get the full effect.
Quote from: Scarpia on August 09, 2012, 11:14:33 AMYou could argue that it is not as bad as Harry Potter, I guess.
???
Quote from: DavidRoss on August 09, 2012, 12:37:13 PM
:o :o :o
Not sure if that is more disturbing than sitting next to an old lady who is reading the book on the subway.
Quote from: Scarpia on August 09, 2012, 12:40:27 PM
Not sure if that is more disturbing than sitting next to an old lady who is reading the book on the subway.
Aloud? :-X
Quote from: DavidRoss on August 09, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
Who's E.L. James? And what's Fifty Shades of Grey? (Judging from the foregoing I'm probably better off blissfully ignorant.)
It has become the biggest selling book ever in the UK http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/aug/07/erotic-book-fifty-shades-british-bestseller (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/aug/07/erotic-book-fifty-shades-british-bestseller)
I read in the NY Times that sales of rope and other items referred to in the book (use your imagination) have increased. Perhaps it will work for the Tallis Scholars, who appear, it seems, on this CD.
Quote from: KeithW on August 09, 2012, 12:55:33 PM
It has become the biggest selling book ever in the UK http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/aug/07/erotic-book-fifty-shades-british-bestseller (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/aug/07/erotic-book-fifty-shades-british-bestseller)
I read in the NY Times that sales of rope and other items referred to in the book (use your imagination) have increased. Perhaps it will work for the Tallis Scholars, who appear, it seems, on this CD.
Yes, there's an NPR story (http://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivecadence/2012/07/11/156604704/how-is-fifty-shades-of-grey-selling-classical-music) about the book that features a quote from Peter Philips.
Quote from: Scarpia on August 09, 2012, 11:27:21 AM
It's an S&M themed semi-porno novel that has apparently become wildly popular among middle-aged women. Clink the link somewhere above of Gilbert Gottfied reading excerpts to get the full effect.
Not just middle aged women. A (British-born) co-worker of mine, a woman about thirty and presently happily involved with the man of her choice, has been reading the trilogy at a fairly fast pace. She admits that it is really just escapism, but apparently very well written escapism. And it certainly can't be worse than
L'estoire de O or
Les Cent Jours de Sodom.I have read, btw, that the book began as a piece of
Twilight fanfic.
And (sparked by Scarpia's reference below) I happen to think the Potter books are an extremely well written series, with character development and psychological/philosophical issues dealt with more seriously and in greater depth than many so called "adult" novels. It's not a fantasy in which good wins over evil despite improbable odds. It is a fantasy, but good wins out in the end because evil defeats itself, and you see the process by which evil defeats itself in depth. And it's one of the few fantasies I know of in which economic matters are dealt with in a real world fashion. I'm looking forward to Rowling's "adult" novel when it comes out this fall.
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 09, 2012, 04:20:04 PM
Not just middle aged women. A (British-born) co-worker of mine, a woman about thirty and presently happily involved with the man of her choice, has been reading the trilogy at a fairly fast pace.
A close (female) friend and I plan to read it aloud to each other with generous quantities of alcohol.
Quote from: Brian on August 09, 2012, 05:14:00 PM
A close (female) friend and I plan to read it aloud to each other with generous quantities of alcohol.
Will you be acting out the various scenes as well?
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:o :o :o :o :o
According to what I hear: The guy in the story is a billionaire at the age of 26 and somehow doesn't have to work. The woman in the book is a complete airhead.
This is what's popular among women, which is a way to indulge in their fantasies? Okay, I won't say anything else... ::)
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 09, 2012, 04:20:04 PM
And (sparked by Scarpia's reference below) I happen to think the Potter books are an extremely well written series, with character development and psychological/philosophical issues dealt with more seriously and in greater depth than many so called "adult" novels. It's not a fantasy in which good wins over evil despite improbable odds. It is a fantasy, but good wins out in the end because evil defeats itself, and you see the process by which evil defeats itself in depth. And it's one of the few fantasies I know of in which economic matters are dealt with in a real world fashion. I'm looking forward to Rowling's "adult" novel when it comes out this fall.
Agreed- although I've only read the first Harry Potter (back in middle school), and it was quite a wonderful read.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on August 09, 2012, 05:53:55 PM
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:o :o :o :o :o
My mind is slightly boggled. Does any know how it's used in the novel.
Don't worry. You don't have to admit to having read it. You can just say you read that particular detail somewhere on the Intertubes.
Although I've heard one recording of SiA which might work well for the sadism part. King's College Choir, sheer torture to listen to.
Quote from: Scarpia on August 09, 2012, 05:25:21 PM
Will you be acting out the various scenes as well?
No. Uh. Well. To clarify, it depends on how much we drink.
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 09, 2012, 06:32:47 PM
Don't worry. You don't have to admit to having read it. You can just say you read that particular detail somewhere on the Intertubes.
And it is somewhere on the Intertubes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/jul/16/fifty-shades-of-grey-tallis
Quote
"The singing starts again ... building and building, and he rains down blows on me ... and I groan and writhe ... Lost in him, lost in the astral, seraphic voices ... I am completely at the mercy of his expert touch ...
"'What was that music?' I mumble almost inarticulately.
"'It's called Spem in Alium, a 40-part motet by Thomas Tallis.'
"'It was ... overwhelming.'"
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 09, 2012, 07:03:06 PM
And it is somewhere on the Intertubes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/jul/16/fifty-shades-of-grey-tallis
Hehehehe, she said "astral."
Quote from: Scarpia on August 09, 2012, 11:14:33 AMI haven't read the book, but I don't think it is necessarily a good sign that this sort thing has become the most popular thing in book publishing. (You could argue that it is not as bad as Harry Potter, I guess.)
As a social trend, i.e. mindless buying for the sake of conformity, it is comparable. However, I suspect Rowling's audience is rather more literate than James's. ::)
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on August 09, 2012, 06:32:47 PM
My mind is slightly boggled. Does any know how it's used in the novel.
Don't worry. You don't have to admit to having read it. You can just say you read that particular detail somewhere on the Intertubes.
Although I've heard one recording of SiA which might work well for the sadism part. King's College Choir, sheer torture to listen to.
According to the blurb on Amazon the music isn't related to the plot - rather, the author listened to it whilst writing:
"Says James of the new compilation album: "I am thrilled that the classical pieces that inspired me while I wrote the Fifty Shades Trilogy are being brought together in one collection for all lovers of the books to enjoy.""
Quote from: KeithW on August 09, 2012, 12:55:33 PM
It has become the biggest selling book ever in the UK http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/aug/07/erotic-book-fifty-shades-british-bestseller (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/aug/07/erotic-book-fifty-shades-british-bestseller)
Hmmm. Perhaps I should consider a new retirement plan...?
This has hit the mainstream press -
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/fifty-shades-of-grey-the-classical-album-who-knew-sonatas-could-be-so-naughty/article4485909/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/fifty-shades-of-grey-the-classical-album-who-knew-sonatas-could-be-so-naughty/article4485909/)
I think it's great. Out there somewhere is a young person getting this CD who will become a fan of classical music.
Quote from: coffee on August 21, 2012, 06:16:01 PM
I think it's great. Out there somewhere is a young person getting this CD who will become a fan of classical music.
I wish I could agree, but '50 Shades' isn't for young people. At any rate, out there somewhere is a 45-year-old woman getting this CD who will become a fan...
but I'd rather not be near the elderly group with raincoats at the next Tallis choral concert.
Quote from: listener on August 21, 2012, 08:46:58 PM
but I'd rather not be near the elderly group with raincoats at the next Tallis choral concert.
It's more than likely there will be a next Tallis concert thanks to the raincoats.
Quote from: eyeresist on August 09, 2012, 07:51:47 PM
As a social trend, i.e. mindless buying for the sake of conformity, it is comparable. However, I suspect Rowling's audience is rather more literate than James's. ::)
One of the funny things is, first the assumption was 3 x Gray could only be such a success in the US, because of the peculiar sexual culture in America (I'm not going to elaborate, other than mentioning that Rush Limbaugh thought it would be a good move to call a woman who uses birth control a slut). By now it turns out # x Gray is a hit in the UK and on the continent, too. In the Netherlands 400.000 copies have been sold as yet of the translation.
Yesterday I saw a thirtysomething woman crossing the street with three fresh copies under her arm. The first time I laid eyes on these books I was surprised how big they are. I had assumed a soft-porn novel would be rather shortish.
Part of the thrill, indeed, is the mass effect. Buying, and reading, the same book as your girlfriends buy, and read, and then having a giggle about it.
Quote from: Herman on August 28, 2012, 09:53:19 AM
(I'm not going to elaborate, other than mentioning that Rush Limbaugh thought it would be a good move to call a woman who uses birth control a slut).
Part of the thrill, indeed, is the mass effect. Buying, and reading, the same book as your girlfriends buy, and read, and then having a giggle about it.
To be honest and accurate, Rush Limbaugh thought it would be a humorous but telling way to make a point by ASKING what we call women who expect others to pay for her to have sex. He answered his own question, saying that we call such women "sluts."
The issue was not birth control or access to birth control, as the hyper-partisan press reported it, but rather the right of people not to be forced into slavery by government policies attempting to rob them of their earnings in order to pay for third parties to behave in ways they object to on religious grounds.
Speaking of the thrill of the mass effect: holding the same blind prejudices as your girlfriends and saying nasty things about people who don't share them.
I'm splitting off the Rush Limbaugh discussion (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,20889.new.html#new) so we can all go back to talking about 50-year-old women getting off to Thomas Tallis. :)
Quote from: Brian on August 28, 2012, 12:31:57 PM
I'm splitting off the Rush Limbaugh discussion (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,20889.new.html#new) so we can all go back to talking about 50-year-old women getting off to Thomas Tallis. :)
Anything that helps 50-year-old women get off can't be all bad!
Quote from: DavidRoss on August 28, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
Anything that helps 50-year-old women get off can't be all bad!
You know, this actually is making me change my whole mind about 50 Shades in general!
Yeah. Like EMI is the only record company that's ever done a shameless/desperate tie-in with something via an extremely tenuous link...
Quote from: orfeo on August 29, 2012, 03:53:24 AM
Yeah. Like EMI is the only record company that's ever done a shameless/desperate tie-in with something via an extremely tenuous link...
The question is with
what they have tried to tie the music with, not how.
Quote from: North Star on August 29, 2012, 03:57:17 AM
The question is with what they have tried to tie the music with, not how.
Something shameless, as per Brian*.
The way I see it, it could have the effect of increasing the exposure of some wonderful music to a wider audience. This compilation, apart from the cover/theme, is no different than any other (of classical music) but I think this will be bought by a lot more people, in relative terms, during the time when the book is riding the wave of hype.
*I know, I know; it's all in jest. Or is it?
The Tallis Scholars have already reported a big surge in sales.
Quote from: orfeo on August 29, 2012, 03:53:24 AM
Yeah. Like EMI is the only record company that's ever done a shameless/desperate tie-in with something via an extremely tenuous link...
Please. There is nothing tenuous about the link. At least some of the music in the CD is featured in the novel. And I see nothing shameless or desperate in EMI making money based on readers of the book being curious about the music that is described.
The Tallis Scholars had this to say:
QuoteDirector Peter Philips said: 'I haven't read Fifty Shades of Grey but I am most grateful to the author for introducing so many new listeners to the musical sensation that is Thomas Tallis's Spem in alium.'
Not only is there nothing wrong with this compilation of music referenced in the novel(s) - but there is nothing wrong with the books themselves. Not my cup of tea, mind you, but from what I understand they are well-written and have found a large readership. Bringing to this large readership a CD of works from the Classical repertory, connected to a book they enjoy, is not a bad thing - imo.
Calling for a boycott based on this marketing effort by EMI tells me that there is a higher twit-quotient on GMG than I would prefer.
I don't mind the book, or that it introduces people to classical music.
Selection may have originated in misreading 'Sperm in alium?
Quote from: Arnold on August 29, 2012, 11:42:04 AMCalling for a boycott based on this marketing effort by EMI tells me that there is a higher twit-quotient on GMG than I would prefer.
I don't think the OP was being entirely serious!
Quote from: eyeresist on August 29, 2012, 06:11:14 PM
I don't think the OP was being entirely serious!
Indeed, I'm surprised to see someone took me seriously. I've listened to at least 5 EMI recordings since starting this thread.
Now I find out he was kidding?!
Quote from: Brian on August 29, 2012, 06:33:16 PM
Indeed, I'm surprised to see someone took me seriously. I've listened to at least 5 EMI recordings since starting this thread.
:o
;D
By the way, the 50 Shades album is now available on Naxos Music Library!
Quote from: Leon on August 29, 2012, 11:42:04 AM
Not only is there nothing wrong with this compilation of music referenced in the novel(s) - but there is nothing wrong with the books themselves. Not my cup of tea, mind you, but from what I understand they are well-written and have found a large readership. Bringing to this large readership a CD of works from the Classical repertory, connected to a book they enjoy, is not a bad thing - imo.
Calling for a boycott based on this marketing effort by EMI tells me that there is a higher twit-quotient on GMG than I would prefer.
Did this fellow really deactivate his account over this? And he is calling some of us twits?
Quote from: karlhenning on August 30, 2012, 08:49:55 AM
Did this fellow really deactivate his account over this?
And he is calling some of us twits?
His account was active when I posted about an hour ago! And he was called "Arnold".
Quote from: karlhenning on August 30, 2012, 08:49:55 AM
Did this fellow really deactivate his account over this?
And he is calling some of us twits?
Yeah, how...irrational.
By the way, I'm perfectly fine with being called twit. I know I've been called much worse!
For about a day, I had 'em beat on Amazon UK...
(https://www.evernote.com/shard/s203/sh/6d6dd75b-3880-4a86-a93c-b86744448dfa/33ffa42eed71d9903f41d74df742dde5/res/e4b1b38e-2c7d-4adb-9321-7d4b5d3b6278/scelsi_s_notebook_-_47_notes-20120901-161258.jpg.jpg)
EMI is the king daddy of repackaging its vaults,... but, what is this dreadful development?: I'll use their Roussel and Ibert sets.
Look how the earlier 2cd sets had more interesting stuff, and then they rereleased them, eliminating the most choice pieces.
Roussel #1:
http://www.amazon.com/Roussel-Symphonies-2-3-4/dp/B000HWZAR4/ref=sr_1_9?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1346512700&sr=1-9&keywords=roussel
Note the Symphony No.2. Then, Roussel #2:
http://www.amazon.com/20th-Century-Classics-Roussel-Symphonies/dp/B002ZBTWME/ref=sr_1_8?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1346512758&sr=1-8&keywords=roussel
Notice, the Symphony No.2 is gone, replaced by only HALF of the cd containg the Piano Concerto. They didn't even put the whole cd on the reissue?!? wtf?? What a mish mash.
Now look at the old Ibert compilation:
http://www.amazon.com/Ibert-Divertissement-Escales-Concerto-Symphonie/dp/B0013D8K78/ref=sr_1_8?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1346512864&sr=1-8&keywords=ibert
It has the Petre cd, and the other cd, whole, plus the Don Quixote settings and the Flute Concerto (Pahud). Now, the newer reissue:
http://www.amazon.com/Ibert-Jacques/dp/B004ZARXTW/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1346512930&sr=1-1&keywords=ibert
Again, they cut portions of the one cd, replacing it with still more 'other' recordings (do we have to keep changing the volume knob with these things?), but, look at what a mish mash this one is compared to the earlier release.
Whoever is doing these reissues can't be the same person that did the earlier ones. Where is the quality control? The cover is nice, but, hey, that's the cover.
They DID manage to make a 3cd set of Lutoslawski that culls most all of their vault. Can you declare HOW many incarnations these recording have gone through since their initial 'Matrix' release? I'm going to say 4-5 times. That's pretty funny. Same recordings, repackaged over and over again within 15 years. Sigh.
Can ya feel me?
Quote from: snyprrr on September 01, 2012, 07:28:32 AM
Roussel #1:
http://www.amazon.com/Roussel-Symphonies-2-3-4/dp/B000HWZAR4/ref=sr_1_9?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1346512700&sr=1-9&keywords=roussel
Note the Symphony No.2. Then, Roussel #2:
http://www.amazon.com/20th-Century-Classics-Roussel-Symphonies/dp/B002ZBTWME/ref=sr_1_8?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1346512758&sr=1-8&keywords=roussel
Notice, the Symphony No.2 is gone, replaced by only HALF of the cd containg the Piano Concerto. They didn't even put the whole cd on the reissue?!? wtf?? What a mish mash.
Instead of Symphony 2, they added "Resurrection" and "Pour une fete..." so it's not a total loss.
But I agree: EMI's survival on repackaging CDs endlessly is very, very sad. It reached a tragicomic climax earlier this year, when the "EMI Masters" line that looked like this:
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/emi6317882.jpg)
(September 2010)
was replaced by a
completely identical "EMI Masters" line that looked like this instead:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GrlzPS8-L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
(January 2012)
because somebody at EMI realized the covers looked better with a vinyl record on them. Of course, the "EMI Masters" line had already had vinyl records on them previously:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VB%2B4d2PBL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
(March 2000)
Quote from: Brian on September 01, 2012, 08:03:57 AM
Instead of Symphony 2, they added "Resurrection" and "Pour une fete..." so it's not a total loss.
But I agree: EMI's survival on repackaging CDs endlessly is very, very sad. It reached a tragicomic climax earlier this year, when the "EMI Masters" line that looked like this:
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/emi6317882.jpg)
(September 2010)
was replaced by a completely identical "EMI Masters" line that looked like this instead:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GrlzPS8-L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
(January 2012)
because somebody at EMI realized the covers looked better with a vinyl record on them. Of course, the "EMI Masters" line had already had vinyl records on them previously:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VB%2B4d2PBL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
(March 2000)
To be fair, the vinyl record on the cover or the CD labels seems to have been copied by a few other folks--Universal (I have the meme on DG, Philips and Decca//London re-releases), even Harmonia Mundi (look at the newest incarnation of their budget Musique d'abord series).
Quote from: Brian on September 01, 2012, 08:03:57 AM
Instead of Symphony 2, they added "Resurrection" and "Pour une fete..." so it's not a total loss.
But I agree: EMI's survival on repackaging CDs endlessly is very, very sad. It reached a tragicomic climax earlier this year, when the "EMI Masters" line that looked like this:
(http://i.prs.to/t_200/emi6317882.jpg)
(September 2010)
was replaced by a completely identical "EMI Masters" line that looked like this instead:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GrlzPS8-L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
(January 2012)
because somebody at EMI realized the covers looked better with a vinyl record on them. Of course, the "EMI Masters" line had already had vinyl records on them previously:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VB%2B4d2PBL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
(March 2000)
I do like the newest (middle) one best.
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on September 01, 2012, 10:38:58 AM
To be fair, the vinyl record on the cover or the CD labels seems to have been copied by a few other folks--Universal (I have the meme on DG, Philips and Decca//London re-releases)
But their Originals series were "LP'ed" a long time ago, with the CD/booklet cover featuring the LP cover at an angle and the CD surface visually resembling that of an LP.
Quote from: Opus106 on September 01, 2012, 10:43:57 AM
But their Originals series were "LP'ed" a long time ago, with the CD/booklet cover featuring the LP cover at an angle and the CD surface visually resembling that of an LP.
So Universal were the originals with their Originals and EMI merely played copycat?
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on September 01, 2012, 11:02:12 AM
So Universal were the originals with their Originals and EMI merely played copycat?
Um, yeah, sure... whatever.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on September 01, 2012, 10:41:43 AM
I do like the newest (middle) one best.
8)
Regardless of the cover or how often it's reissued, this is a must-have CD. Mine's the GROC edition. Looks as if the later issues added some Delius. Can you grok it?
Quote from: snyprrr on September 01, 2012, 07:28:32 AMAgain, they cut portions of the one cd, replacing it with still more 'other' recordings (do we have to keep changing the volume knob with these things?), but, look at what a mish mash this one is compared to the earlier release.
But these aren't "reissues". They are part of a series called 20th Century Classics which presumably tries to give a representative sampling of composers via the best ("best") recordings in the EMI catalog.
Quote from: eyeresist on September 01, 2012, 11:44:05 PM
But these aren't "reissues". They are part of a series called 20th Century Classics which presumably tries to give a representative sampling of composers via the best ("best") recordings in the EMI catalog.
No,... "all" recordings in the EMI catalog. If there WERE any others, don't you think the desperados would have released it already? What?, is there going to come some future time when these companies either a) accidentally "find" a cache, or, b)... b)??,... IS there a "b"??
I mean, once "it's" been "boxed", what else is there to do?
The major companies have all painted themselves into a corner, and it should be interpreted as CRIMINAL DECEPTION if they try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes with these endless reissues, blah blah.
Quote from: Brian on September 01, 2012, 08:03:57 AM
Instead of Symphony 2, they added "Resurrection" and "Pour une fete..." so it's not a total loss.
But, the
Invocations from the same cd are gone, and the Cello Concertino is missing from the other cd. And the Suite in F.
Why couldn't they have just made a 3cd set, like with the Lutoslawski? So, now, with their logic, they have still about 1cd's worth of Roussel material that is now NOT on their culling set. Why not just... oh,... ugh,... nevermind...
Quote from: snyprrr on September 03, 2012, 07:35:57 AM
No,... "all" recordings in the EMI catalog. If there WERE any others, don't you think the desperados would have released it already? What?, is there going to come some future time when these companies either a) accidentally "find" a cache, or, b)... b)??,... IS there a "b"??
I mean, once "it's" been "boxed", what else is there to do?
The major companies have all painted themselves into a corner, and it should be interpreted as CRIMINAL DECEPTION if they try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes with these endless reissues, blah blah.
Maybe you should read what eyeresist posted. The Roussel CD you are looking at is a part of a special series from EMI which gives a cross section of interesting works by a given composer. The other release was a collection of Roussel symphonies. If you want the release with the symphonies, then get the release with the symphonies. Why, in your brain, does the fact that they released a new collection, take anything away from the existence of the old collection?
Quote from: snyprrr on September 03, 2012, 07:35:57 AMThe major companies have all painted themselves into a corner, and it should be interpreted as CRIMINAL DECEPTION if they try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes with these endless reissues, blah blah.
Who is being deceived, and how?
What I'd REALLY like EMI to do is to put the text of Mahler's 8th at the URL where it was supposed to be according to the booklet of the not-very-old CD of Mahler's 8th (Rattle) that I bought.
Or, as a wild alternative, reply to the e-mail that pointed out to them that the printed URL was a dead end.
Grrr.
Quote from: orfeo on September 10, 2012, 05:27:08 AM
What I'd REALLY like EMI to do is to put the text of Mahler's 8th at the URL where it was supposed to be according to the booklet of the not-very-old CD of Mahler's 8th (Rattle) that I bought.
Or, as a wild alternative, reply to the e-mail that pointed out to them that the printed URL was a dead end.
Grrr.
Alternatively, you could just search for it in the internetz:
http://www.choralarts.org/data/files/community/10%20mahler%208%20text%20&%20translation.pdf
Quote from: North Star on September 10, 2012, 05:29:34 AM
Alternatively, you could just search for it in the internetz:
http://www.choralarts.org/data/files/community/10%20mahler%208%20text%20&%20translation.pdf
I've actually already found it, by virtue of Naxos I think. That's not so much the point as that they promised me something and didn't deliver. It's actually a LOT more irritating to be told "texts available online" and discover that they're not, than it would have been to have just bought it knowing I'd have to go hunt for the texts elsewhere.
I was reminded of it simply because the Elgar choral works box I'm looking it has online texts, readily available from the catalogue entry on the EMI website. Which is exactly what was supposed to happen with the Mahler, and didn't.
And EMI simply don't answer e-mails. They've done it to me before, years ago with pop music. It is one of the worst things a company can do for its reputation, not answering e-mails.
Well, perhaps they didn't mean that they'd uploaded it themselves, just that it is available online ;D
What are you? EMI's Finnish PR manager?
Quote from: orfeo on September 10, 2012, 06:08:51 AM
What are you? EMI's Finnish PR manager?
Well, my last reply would totally portray me as one. ::)
I suspect this '50 Shades of Grey' album will go the same way as 'The Sven Goran Eriksson Classical Collection' once it's very limited hysteria has died down. Car boot sale fodder for next years season :)