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Life:
Tishchenko was born in Leningrad. He studied at the Leningrad Musical College from 1954 to 1957. There he learnt composition under Galina Ustvolskaya and piano under Mikhelis. Then from 1957 to 1963 he studied composition with Vadim Salmanov, Victor Voloshinov and Orest Evlakhov, and piano with L. Logovinski at the Leningrad Conservatory. He took a postgraduate course with the composer Dmitri Shostakovich from 1962 to 1965.
He taught at the Leningrad Conservatory from 1965, and became a professor there in 1986.
Tishchenko actively assisted in the secret delivery of the manuscript of Shostakovich's memoirs to the West. Later, however, he raised his voice in dispute against the authenticity of Testimony published by Solomon Volkov in 1979. In March 2006 he was announced as the first laureate of the 'Epokha Shostakovicha' prize instituted for the centennial of Shostakovich's birth. He died in Saint Petersburg.
Music:
His opus includes more than seven symphonies, two violin concertos, two cello concertos, a piano concerto, five string quartets, two cello sonatas, ten piano sonatas, a requiem, chamber and vocal works, the opera The Stolen Sun, the operetta A Cockroach, three ballets The Twelve, Fly-bee and Yaroslavna (The Eclipse), and incidental music for theatre and film.
Tishchenko's music style and composing manner shows him to be a typical representative of the Leningrad composers' school. He was very much influenced by music of his teachers Dmitri Shostakovich and Galina Ustvolskaya, turning these influences in his own way. He tried to use some experimental and modernist ideas like twelve-tone or aleatoric techniques, but was much more attached to the native traditions of his homeland. He demonstrated a kind of originality, scoring his Second Cello Concerto for 48 cellos, 12 double-basses and percussion (1969). Ten years later, however, he re-orchestrated it for a more practical combination.
He was honored by Shostakovich's orchestration of his First Cello Concerto, and repaid his master by the orchestration, editing and transcription of a few scores by Shostakovich. Tishchenko's Requiem, to the forbidden poem by Anna Akhmatova, written in the period of political stagnation in 1966, was a courageous cultural gesture.
Taken from Wikipedia
Have any of you heard any of Tishchenko's music? I listened to his Symphony No. 7 on YouTube and bought Yablonsky's recording almost immediately after. Bought two more recordings in the process. Look forward to exploring this composer.
A few things.
String quartets 1 and 4
Dante symphonies 1, 2, and 3
Concerto for violin, piano and string orchestra
Symphony 6
Symphony 7
Tishchenko wrote a total of seventeen symphonies.
BORIS TISHCHENKO: A CATALOGUE OF THE ORCHESTRAL MUSIC
1956: Concertino for Voice and Orchestra
1957: Prelude and Fugue for string orchestra, op.7
1958/93:French Symphony, ops.12/116
1959/64:Violin Concerto No.1, ops.9/29: 25 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
1959: Cantata "Lenin is Alive" for chorus and orchestra, op.15
1961: Symphony No.1, op.20: 42 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
1962: Piano Concerto, op.21: 22 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
1963: Concerto for Cello, seventeen wind instruments, percussion and harmonium, op.23 (Cello Concerto No.1): 26 minutes + (Brilliant, Northern Flowers and
Chandos(in the orchestration by Shostakovich) cds)
Symphonic Poem "Danaide", op. 24
Ballet "The Twelve", op. 25: 45 minutes
"Octaves" for orchestra, op.26
1964: Symphony No.2 "Marina" for chorus and orchestra, op.28: 46 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
Suite "Suzdal" for soprano, tenor and chamber orchestra, op.30: 12 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
1965: "Palekh" for orchestra, op. 34
1966: Requiem after Anna Akhmatova for soprano, tenor and orchestra, op.35: 60 minutes
1967: Symphony No.3, op.36: 30 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
1967/98:Pushkin Symphony, ops. 38/125
1968: Ballet "Fly-Bee", op. 39: 25 minutes
1969/79:Cello Concerto No.2 for cello, forty-eight cellos, twelve double-basses and percussion or orchestra, op.44: 40 minutes + (Art Music cd)
1970: "Sinfonia Robusta" for orchestra, op.46: 14 minutes
1972: Concerto for Piano, Flute and String Orchestra, op.54: 32 minutes
1974: Ballet "Yaroslavna", op.58: 90 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
"Hard Frost" for mezzo-soprano and orchestra, op.60a
Symphony No.4 for narrator and orchestra, op.61: 93 minutes *
1976: Symphony No.5. op.67: 44 minutes + (Olympia cd)
1977: Harp Concerto, op.69: 45 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
1982: Violin Concerto No.2, op.84: 52 minutes + (Olympia cd)
1983: Symphonic Piece "Praeludium in E" for orchestra, op. 87
1984: "The Blockade Chronicle Symphony", op.92: 36 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
1988: Symphony No.6 for soprano, contralto and orchestra, op.105: 55 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
1989: Concerto all Marcia for sixteen soloists, op. 106
1994: Symphony No. 7, op.119: 52 minutes + (Naxos cd)
1997: "Beatrice" for chorus and orchestra, op.123
Dante Symphony No.1 "Among the Living", op.123, No.2, : 28 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
2000: Dante Symphony No.2 "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here", op.123, No.3: 39 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
2001: Dante Symphony No.3 "Inferno", op.123, No.4: 39 minutes (Fuga Libera and Northern Flowers cds)
2002: "Huge Sonata" for string orchestra, op. 132
2003: Dante Symphony No.4 "Purgatorio", op.123, No.5: 50 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
"The Run of Time" for soprano and string orchestra, op. 135b
2005: Dante Symphony No.5 "Paradise", op.123, No.6: 33 minutes + (Northern Flowers cd)
Variations on three themes by Shostakovich for orchestra, op. 143
2006: Concerto for Violin, Piano and String Orchestra, op.144: 31 minutes + (Fuga Libera cd)
2008: Symphony No.8
I have all of Tishchenko's symphonies on cd or from other sources with the exceptions of the French Symphony, the Pushkin Symphony, Sinfonia Robusta and Symphony No.8 and the only concertos I am missing are the Cello Concerto No.2 and the Concerto for Piano, Flute and string orchestra.
Tishchenko's music does not necessarily qualify as "light listening" ;D It has a grimness and intensity however which I find very appealing. Shostakovich clearly admired Tishchenko's music and he is a prime candidate for the role of the finest post-Shostakovich Russian composer.
You have plenty to listen to ;D ;D
Thanks for this, Colin. Yeah, I knew he composed a lot of orchestral but not that much! ??? Yikes! I'm going to try to build my Tishchenko collection slowly as many of those Northern Flowers recordings are quite expensive.
Their list price seems to be pretty consistently twenty bucks.
Their actual prices vary widely, from 7 to 70, approximately, but mostly around 13 dollars, at least on Amazon.
Quote from: some guy on October 29, 2012, 04:18:51 PM
Their list price seems to be pretty consistently twenty bucks.
Their actual prices vary widely, from 7 to 70, approximately, but mostly around 13 dollars, at least on Amazon.
Arkivmusic is having a storewide sale, so I definitely took advantage of this and bought many of these Northern Flowers for $13. Not bad considering they list for much more.
Few articles online mention Tishchenko's Symphony No.8 :o It is missing from both the Wikipedia article and, more seriously, from the Saint Petersburg Musical Archive website.
It does appear to exist however. Onno van Rijen says that it was premiered in Novosibirsk in December 2008 and repeated in Saint Petersburg in March 2009.
I can find no further information about the symphony online.
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 29, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
Few articles online mention Tishchenko's Symphony No.8 :o It is missing from both the Wikipedia article and, more seriously, from the Saint Petersburg Musical Archive website.
It does appear to exist however. Onno van Rijen says that it was premiered in Novosibirsk in December 2008 and repeated in Saint Petersburg in March 2009.
I can find no further information about the symphony online.
It's hard to find much information on Tishchenko in general. It doesn't surprise that you can't find any information on
Symphony No. 8. He's a pretty mysterious composer to me. He lived during a time of political stagnation, but was composing music that was quite boisterous and had an extroverted character. He wasn't afraid to bludgeon a listener over the head with a loud percussion. :) My kind of composer!
Wasn't it that the Penguin Guide raved over?
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A few things.
String quartets 1 and 4
Dante symphonies 1, 2, and 3
Concerto for violin, piano and string orchestra
Symphony 6
Symphony 7
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Thanks for specifics (unless, haha, you're just listing cds you have!!)
This is just a badass movement from Symphony No. 7:
http://www.youtube.com/v/2_E-LrVVUrU
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 29, 2012, 04:21:25 PM
Arkivmusic is having a storewide sale, so I definitely took advantage of this and bought many of these Northern Flowers for $13. Not bad considering they list for much more.
Just an FYI. Due to high export costs out of Russia, Northern Flowers would send a master copy to their US distributor Albany who would burn CD-Rs. I don't know if that is still happening but I prefer a pressed CD over and burned CD-R anytime. I get my Northern Flowers CD directly from Moscow by using an ebay seller. http://stores.ebay.com/Rare-Russian-Records/_i.html?LH_TitleDesc=1&_nkw=northern+flowers+&_cqr=true&_nkwusc=norther+flowers&_sid=209008270&_rdc=1
Not cheap but reasonable especially if you can deal with the CDs being sent without jewel cases.
Quote from: hemmesjo on October 29, 2012, 08:23:47 PM
Just an FYI. Due to high export costs out of Russia, Northern Flowers would send a master copy to their US distributor Albany who would burn CD-Rs. I don't know if that is still happening but I prefer a pressed CD over and burned CD-R anytime. I get my Northern Flowers CD directly from Moscow by using an ebay seller. http://stores.ebay.com/Rare-Russian-Records/_i.html?LH_TitleDesc=1&_nkw=northern+flowers+&_cqr=true&_nkwusc=norther+flowers&_sid=209008270&_rdc=1
Not cheap but reasonable especially if you can deal with the CDs being sent without jewel cases.
The Arkivmusic orders I placed are for the original recordings not CD-Rs otherwise Arkivmusic would have indicated that they were. They were all $13, which is much better than $20. As I said, I took advantage of the sale and I'm glad I did. Here are the Tishchenko recordings I bought:
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Three of the orders I placed are with Amazon. The Yablonsky 7th recording, the Rozhdestvensky on Fuga Libera, and the
Yaroslavna recording.
Wow ;D
You don't go in for half-measures do you ;D
I have each of these discs, plus the recent Northern Flowers recording of the Second Symphony and the old Olympia of the Fifth. The Fourth Symphony I obtained privately.
Enjoy :)
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 30, 2012, 07:21:30 AM
Wow ;D
You don't go in for half-measures do you ;D
I have each of these discs, plus the recent Northern Flowers recording of the Second Symphony and the old Olympia of the Fifth. The Fourth Symphony I obtained privately.
Enjoy :)
Thanks, Colin. Yeah, I'm a
little obsessive when it comes to CD collecting. :D But the reality is music is my only true passion and it's also a serious hobby of mine. Whether I'm listening to it, reading about it, or discussing it with other people, I maintain a high level of enthusiasm for it and always have. Somebody said when I start talking about music I tend to talk really fast and my eyes get a little twinkle in them. How much of this is true is hard to say, but I noticed my personality changes a bit when I discuss music.
P.S. I will be buying that Northern Flowers recording of the 2nd ASAP. :) I must have skipped over that one.
No need to apologise-although I know that you really weren't apologising-just explaining ;D ;D
As a fellow-obsessive collector/completist I can share your enthusiasms :) :)
It is however a very expensive habit ::) ;D
Quote from: Dundonnell on October 30, 2012, 07:38:55 AM
No need to apologise-although I know that you really weren't apologising-just explaining ;D ;D
As a fellow-obsessive collector/completist I can share your enthusiasms :) :)
It is however a very expensive habit ::) ;D
It's good to meet other collectors like yourself. We're a strange bunch, but, hey, this hobby isn't as expensive as partying/drinking at bars, working on or building cars, fishing, hunting, scuba diving, among others. These hobbies costs a lot of money whereas CD collecting will cost you a lot less in the long run. I'm not trying to justify my CDCDCD however, I'm merely pointing out that in comparison with many people's hobbies, this one isn't as expensive.
Absolutely :)
I really enjoy Tishchenko's Symphony No. 1:
http://www.youtube.com/v/HXwm97l5eY8
http://www.youtube.com/v/Eozz2g5emIg
On this LP, ol' Boris played his own material.
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his Chamber Pieces
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Rondo, op.2, vn, pf, 1956;
Prelude and Fugue, op.7, str qt/str orch, 1957;
Str Qt no.1, op.8, 1957;
Str Qt no.2, op.13, 1959;
Kaprichchio, op.31, vn, pf, 1965;
Severnïye etyudï [Northern Studies], suite, ens, op.42, 1968 [after film score];
2 p'yesï [2 Pieces], xyl, vib, pf, op.45/1, 2, 1970;
Str Qt no.3, op.47, 1970;
Tainstvennïye soplemenniki: kanon v protivodvizhenii [Mysterious Fellow Tribesmen: A Canon in Contrary Motion], op.45/3, perc, stop-watch, c1970;
2 starinnïkh tantsa [2 Old-Fashioned Dances], op.62b, vn, pf, 1975;
Andante espressivo, op.71b, va/vc, hp, 1978;
Str Qt no.4, op.77, 1980;
Str Qt no.5, op.90, 1984;
Pf Qnt, op.93, 1985;
Conc., op.109, cl, pf trio, 1990;
Fantaziya, op.118, vn, pf, 1994;
Syuita 'Portretï' [Portraits], op.122/2, pf duet, 1996
10 piano sonatas: no.1, op.3, 1957, rev. as op.121, 1995; no.10, op.4, 1957, rev. as op.124, 1997; no.2, op.17, 1960; no.3, op.32, 1965; no.4, op.53, 1972; no.5, op.56, 1973; no.6, op.64, 1975; no.7, op.85, pf, bells, 1982; no.8, op.99, 1986; no.9, op.114, 1992
Other solo inst:
3 polifonyudii, op.19b, pf, 1954, rev. 1961;
Variations, op.1, pf, 1956;
Egosyuita, op.6, pf, 1957;
Sonata no.1, op.5, vn, 1957;
Whims, 5 pieces, op.11, pf, 1958, rev. 1998;
Sonata no.1, op.18, vc, 1960;
3 zagadki [3 Enigmas], op.19, pf, 1960;
12 Inventions, op.27, org, 1964;
Sonata no.2, op.63, vn, 1975;
Sonata no.2, op.76, vc, 1979;
4 p'yesï [4 Pieces], op.94, tuba, 1985;
Marsh-Kontsert (Concerto alla marcia), op.106, 16 soloists, 1989;
12 portretov, op.113, org, 1992;
Pamyati Vitaliya Fomina [In Memory of Vitaly Fomin], op.122/1, org, 1996
No one has mentioned Symphony 5, the one Penguin Guide was all hot and bothered over- written for DSCH.
Quote from: snyprrr on August 11, 2014, 05:43:49 AM
No one has mentioned Symphony 5, the one Penguin Guide was all hot and bothered over- written for DSCH.
I rarely mention music of which I have no awareness 8)
The
Cello Concerto № 1 whose accompaniment
Shostakovich rescored is intensely good:
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Quote from: karlhenning on August 11, 2014, 05:55:11 AM
I rarely mention music of which I have no awareness 8)
The Cello Concerto № 1 whose accompaniment Shostakovich rescored is intensely good:
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Sym. 5 is on YT. Check it out, it's quite the Big DSCH Symphony!
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Just another picture for you all.
Oddly enough, I appear to have not posted in this thread. I shall rectify now:
About 2½ years ago, I came across a disc of Tishchenko's Violin Concerto No. 2, saw it was a substantial work, and took a gamble on it, having never heard of the composer to that point. I was absolutely blown away by it! One of the most intense pieces I've ever heard.
Quote from: Maestro267 on September 29, 2016, 09:53:02 AM
Oddly enough, I appear to have not posted in this thread. I shall rectify now:
About 2½ years ago, I came across a disc of Tishchenko's Violin Concerto No. 2, saw it was a substantial work, and took a gamble on it, having never heard of the composer to that point. I was absolutely blown away by it! One of the most intense pieces I've ever heard.
+1
An old favorite on a Russian Disc issue I have.
Listened to parts of Symphonies Nos. 5 & 7. Impression of complete ambivalence. What's going on here?
You can hear the Symphony No. 8 here: http://classic-online.ru/ru/production/76641
There is also a recording of Symphony No. 9, unfinished, but orchestrated by someone else a la Schnittke.
This is the fragment/completion of the Tishchenko Symphony No. 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFyWMuLBBoY
Northern Flowers are issuing a recording of the huge Symphony No. 4 (Leningrad PO/Rozhdestvensky) on November 11th, and Naxos has among its December releases a recording featuring Symphony No. 8, Concerto for Violin, Piano and String Orchestra, and 3 Songs to Poems of Maria Tsvetayeva.
Quote from: Maestro267 on September 29, 2016, 09:53:02 AM
Oddly enough, I appear to have not posted in this thread. I shall rectify now:
About 2½ years ago, I came across a disc of Tishchenko's Violin Concerto No. 2, saw it was a substantial work, and took a gamble on it, having never heard of the composer to that point. I was absolutely blown away by it! One of the most intense pieces I've ever heard.
New Erato mentions a Northern Flowers issue. Mine is on Olympia. A coruscating, fiendishly difficult work. His string quartets are surprisingly approachable yet intense works (also on the Olympia label).
I
must explore that 4th symphony ! Time to revive my knowledge of the composer. I only have 1, 7 and the Blockade Chronicle Symphony.
Time to bump up Tischchenko in my listening schedule ! :)
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 24, 2016, 11:57:28 AM
Symphony no 4 is still my favorite though, and I dream of composing something like that! ;)
I consider No. 4 to be the disaster of his oeuvre. What am I missing? I can't stand that work. It is probably the most incoherent and rambling works I have ever heard.
My first exposure; Symphony No. 4...I really like it. I've heard a bit of 7 as well and look forward to familiarizing myself with his work. I haven't heard many of his generation out of Russia. Good music!
Quote from: André on October 24, 2016, 12:12:20 PM
New Erato mentions a Northern Flowers issue. Mine is on Olympia. A coruscating, fiendishly difficult work. His string quartets are surprisingly approachable yet intense works (also on the Olympia label).
I must explore that 4th symphony ! Time to revive my knowledge of the composer. I only have 1, 7 and the Blockade Chronicle Symphony.
Time to bump up Tischchenko in my listening schedule ! :)
Oh yes, the VC2 recording I have is the Olympia one. Sinaisky conducting, if I recall correctly (don't have it to hand rn).
Let's hope that the newly-issued recording of Symphony 4 has better sound quality than the version uploaded to Youtube.
Quote from: Rons_talking on October 25, 2016, 03:40:57 AM
My first exposure; Symphony No. 4...I really like it. I've heard a bit of 7 as well and look forward to familiarizing myself with his work. I haven't heard many of his generation out of Russia. Good music!
Maybe I'm nuts. I will give it another listen when this disc is available.
I am curious if anyone heard this recording of the Symphony No. 4 and had a review of it?
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Quote from: relm1 on February 08, 2017, 04:03:44 PM
I am curious if anyone heard this recording of the Symphony No. 4 and had a review of it?
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I just bought it today, but it seems like to me to be some kind of collection of 'mini-symphonies'. Really looking forward to hearing it. To my ears, Tishchenko sounds like a cross between Schnittke and Shostakovich but with a Jon Leifs approved fleet of percussion, especially in the
Dante-Symphonies and symphonies.
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 01, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
I just bought it today, but it seems like to me to be some kind of collection of 'mini-symphonies'. Really looking forward to hearing it. To my ears, Tishchenko sounds like a cross between Schnittke and Shostakovich but with a Jon Leifs approved fleet of percussion, especially in the Dante-Symphonies and symphonies.
Wow, three years for me to get a response to my post. Some of Tishchenko's works are mini symphonies but even then, they feel slightly incoherent. For example, it is hard to detect a consistent thread through the Dante symphonies. But maybe that is just me. In contrast there are other composers who repeat an idea throughout their oeuvre. For example how Shostakovich repeats the DSCH motif or Rachmaninoff repeats the Dies Irae. That makes sense and the recurring idea has meaning. I fail to hear that with Tishchenko who sometimes comes across as the composer who doesn't listen to what they wrote. BUT I must state, his output is inconsistent because I love some of it and others I can't hear anything coherent.
Quote from: relm1 on July 01, 2020, 05:26:37 PM
Wow, three years for me to get a response to my post. Some of Tishchenko's works are mini symphonies but even then, they feel slightly incoherent. For example, it is hard to detect a consistent thread through the Dante symphonies. But maybe that is just me. In contrast there are other composers who repeat an idea throughout their oeuvre. For example how Shostakovich repeats the DSCH motif or Rachmaninoff repeats the Dies Irae. That makes sense and the recurring idea has meaning. I fail to hear that with Tishchenko who sometimes comes across as the composer who doesn't listen to what they wrote. BUT I must state, his output is inconsistent because I love some of it and others I can't hear anything coherent.
Yeah, sometimes it takes me awhile to circle back to certain composers. ;) Anyway, yes, I wouldn't disagree with what you wrote about Tishchenko. I do think he is quite inconsistent, but, even within this inconsistency, I can't help but to be allured by the writing. He's kind of like a drunk, belligerent uncle --- even though, you dislike the way he goes about saying what's on his mind, you can't help but respect it and even find it brave or daring. I don't think he's a top rank Soviet composer, but he certainly does make his mark on the listener and as for your point some kind of continuity in his oeuvre, well, the same could be said of many Soviet composers around this time (specifically those born in the 1930s like Shchedrin, Schnittke, Gubaidulina, etc.). There's not really a common thread that runs through any of these composers' oeuvres, because each work is almost its own entity and when they go to write another work, they are sure not to repeat the same processes again.
Quote from: relm1 on July 01, 2020, 05:26:37 PM
Wow, three years for me to get a response to my post. Some of Tishchenko's works are mini symphonies but even then, they feel slightly incoherent. For example, it is hard to detect a consistent thread through the Dante symphonies. But maybe that is just me. In contrast there are other composers who repeat an idea throughout their oeuvre. For example how Shostakovich repeats the DSCH motif or Rachmaninoff repeats the Dies Irae. That makes sense and the recurring idea has meaning. I fail to hear that with Tishchenko who sometimes comes across as the composer who doesn't listen to what they wrote. BUT I must state, his output is inconsistent because I love some of it and others I can't hear anything coherent.
Which works do you love? I didn't hit it off with the Dante symphonies. I do have Symphony 5, I think, on Olympia so must have another listen to that.
Quote from: vandermolen on July 01, 2020, 09:43:33 PM
Which works do you love? I didn't hit it off with the Dante symphonies. I do have Symphony 5, I think, on Olympia so must have another listen to that.
I really love the Violin Concerto (I think No. 2 sorry going off memory but its a very long one, maybe the longest violin concerto?). Symphony No. 9 fragment is very lyrical. Some of his ballet music as well. The piano sonata No. 5 is very good. I guess I like him in his more traditional mode.
I don't believe I've ever heard a note of Tishchenko's music, but the ever-dependable Amazon reviewer G.D. has much praise for the 7th Symphony on Naxos and my interest has been piqued:
"One to blow you away! If you are on the lookout for a post-Shostakovichian symphonic tradition, there is actually much to choose from. Little of it reaches the quality of Boris Tishchenko's seventh, however. Tishchenko (b. 1939) himself emphasizes the influence of Shostakovich but while the connections are obvious, Tishchenko doesn't really sound that much like Shostakovich. As a pointer to his style, think late Shostakovich or Vainberg, but eschewing the slow, brooding music - Tishchenko's music is driven, energetic, powerful, often fast and often spitefully sardonic (but sometimes genuinely optimistic as well). His ideas are often strikingly memorable; they are developed with ingenuity and the music is always superbly scored. The seventh symphony opens pastorally, but the nightmarish undercurrents seem just a second away from bubbling to the surface - and indeed, Tishchenko subtly alters the mood to something menacingly urgent by just a few rhythmic twists. From there on, the dark, haunted and sarcastic music pours forth, often erupting in almost maniacal intensity with much use of percussion. Still, the music isn't all darkness throughout - much of it is genuinely joyful and buoyant, if in a somewhat raucous manner; and it holds together surprisingly well. But I'll refrain from trying to describe it completely - if the style appeals you are very strongly encouraged to check it out yourself. The performance by the Moscow Philharmonic under Dmitry Yablonsky is ferocious and powerful even if there are parts where the music stretches the players to their limits and beyond. The sound quality is generally clear and full. A superb release, strongly recommended."
Sounds right up my alley!
I've heard his VC 2 and it seems to share the features of the 7th Symphony according to the notes above. I'll be taking a listen to that symphony at some point.
FWIW, Tishchenko's 7th is fantastic the best I can remember. Definitely worth a listen. I have the Yablonsky recording, but I'd like to hear the recording on Northern Flowers, too, at some point.
Quote from: relm1 on July 02, 2020, 06:11:03 AM
I really love the Violin Concerto (I think No. 2 sorry going off memory but its a very long one, maybe the longest violin concerto?). Symphony No. 9 fragment is very lyrical. Some of his ballet music as well. The piano sonata No. 5 is very good. I guess I like him in his more traditional mode.
Correction - it's this CD that I have - so I must listen to it again:
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Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 02, 2020, 10:07:36 AM
I've heard his VC 2 and it seems to share the features of the 7th Symphony according to the notes above. I'll be taking a listen to that symphony at some point.
Did you like the VC 2? ;)
Quote from: kyjo on July 02, 2020, 05:32:43 PM
Did you like the VC 2? ;)
What do you think? 8)
That's what I call a quite turbulent concerto.
I've got to say that I'm going to have to take a pass on Tishchenko in general. I seem to have run into the same problem as relm1 and I'll just leave it at that. I ended cancelling all the Tishchenko I had ordered as a result. His music can be fun, but it just doesn't have any staying power, IMHO. Like I mentioned before, he has never been a top-rank Russian/Soviet composer in my estimate anyway.
Quote from: vandermolen on July 02, 2020, 02:09:32 PM
Correction - it's this CD that I have - so I must listen to it again:
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Yes, that's the one I was talking about. Very good work.
Quote from: relm1 on July 03, 2020, 05:18:47 AM
Yes, that's the one I was talking about. Very good work.
Thanks :)
novelty on cd
(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiOTMyNjg1OS4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE2NTA4OTE5NjZ9)
Good to know, thanks Roy !
Can't see it on Spotify and they've got most of the Northern Flowers/Olympia releases that I can tell so I assume this is a new or upcoming release?
Quote from: Maestro267 on April 26, 2022, 10:34:49 AM
Can't see it on Spotify and they've got most of the Northern Flowers/Olympia releases that I can tell so I assume this is a new or upcoming release?
https://altocd.com/northernflowers/product/nfpma99149/
Have been listening to string quartets on eBay, since I've been considering the "complete SQ" set on Northern Flowers for a while.
What I've heard is certainly not bad, but the Shostakovich influence is rather strong, even too much IMO. Thus unlikely to purchase the set.
Quote from: T. D. on April 28, 2022, 05:25:58 PM
Have been listening to string quartets on eBay, since I've been considering the "complete SQ" set on Northern Flowers for a while.
What I've heard is certainly not bad, but the Shostakovich influence is rather strong, even too much IMO. Thus unlikely to purchase the set.
I think Shostakovich's influence on the subsequent soviet composers was very big. He cast a huge shadow that was hard to escape because he ticked off so many checkboxes. Immediacy, popularity, profundity, artistry, integrity, all while finding his inspiration in the reality of Soviet life, reasserting and developing in his imagination the arts of socialist realism. To many, he defined what a composer should look like after him. It is not hard to be influenced by him in some way all these years later, just imagine if you grew up in the 1930's through 60's Soviet system.
Quote from: relm1 on April 29, 2022, 05:50:09 AM
I think Shostakovich's influence on the subsequent soviet composers was very big. He cast a huge shadow that was hard to escape because he ticked off so many checkboxes. Immediacy, popularity, profundity, artistry, integrity, all while finding his inspiration in the reality of Soviet life, reasserting and developing in his imagination the arts of socialist realism. To many, he defined what a composer should look like after him. It is not hard to be influenced by him in some way all these years later, just imagine if you grew up in the 1930's through 60's Soviet system.
Of course, many of the later generation Soviet composers took much different paths. Look at Ustvolskaya, Schnittke, Gubaidulina, Denisov et. al. for example. You couldn't find a more diverse group of composers. While I'm sure the shadow looms large over post-Shostakovich composers, the afore mentioned ones have done a fine job of breaking free from this particular stylistic shackle.
Quote from: Mirror Image on April 29, 2022, 09:39:06 PM
Of course, many of the later generation Soviet composers took much different paths. Look at Ustvolskaya, Schnittke, Gubaidulina, Denisov et. al. for example. You couldn't find a more diverse group of composers. While I'm sure the shadow looms large over post-Shostakovich composers, the afore mentioned ones have done a fine job of breaking free from this particular stylistic shackle.
That's debatable. Collage is typically defined as the playful usage of contrasting musical material of different periods and styles of music history, as well as combining fragments of the works by different composers for creating a new piece. That's a major element of the composers you quote and Shostakovich's No. 15 which references multiple eras like Bach, Rossini, Wagner, Glinka, and Shostakovich's earlier periods. This is a major part of Schnittke too though sometimes taken simultaneously like other composers such as Ives did.
Quote from: relm1 on April 30, 2022, 04:31:07 PM
That's debatable. Collage is typically defined as the playful usage of contrasting musical material of different periods and styles of music history, as well as combining fragments of the works by different composers for creating a new piece. That's a major element of the composers you quote and Shostakovich's No. 15 which references multiple eras like Bach, Rossini, Wagner, Glinka, and Shostakovich's earlier periods. This is a major part of Schnittke too though sometimes taken simultaneously like other composers such as Ives did.
I didn't refute Shostakovich's influence, but did list composers that I believed found their own way out of Shostakovich's shadow. I'm certainly not going to debate with you on something that I feel isn't worth arguing about.
I really enjoyed this new release of Tishchenko's early ballet, "The Twelve". Well worth seeking out. Fans of mid century Soviet music should find much to enjoy here. Think early/mid Shostakovich, early Prokofiev, Mosolov, etc. It's exciting music and I think he was only maybe 22 when this was composed.
(https://www.musicaloffering.gr/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/datjmw3azt48ibcsld4x.jpg)
It has been put on Spotify now, btw.
A lightbulb just went off for me as I was listening to Tishchenko's Violin Concerto No. 1 for the first time just now. First, I really enjoyed it. I think he was only 19 when he composed it and it was a very fine work. What I found unexpected was the shadow of Shostakovich doesn't loom so large but rather post-Soviet futurist music, modernism, and expressionism is a larger influence. I get he's early in his career but I'm familiar with his later works more than his early works so this was a bit revelatory to me. He's more an heir to Mosolov than to Shostakovich. But you can clearly see elements of Shostakovich, but I hear this more as elements of modernism that Shostakovich embraced. Think pre-Pravda Shostakovich of 20's and 30's rather than mid 30's through 50's.
I believe Soviet 20th century music has a significant musicological and historical place and is very rich in history and substance. I thought somewhat simplistically that the second half of 20th century soviet music was dominated by Shostakovich and his imitators but that's really not the case, it's far more nuanced and frankly interesting. One characteristic it seems to share is a nostalgia or longing for tradition even if that means a late 20th century composer like Tishchenko looks back to the Soviet avant-garde because he does so by bringing many other influences some of which are very traditional and some more experimental. A fascinating composer and I highly recommend both his violin concertos - they are probably my favorite of his works. They are not at all too far forward (anyone who likes Mosolov's Iron Foundry won't find anything too far in these works) but they are truly deserved to be better known as does this composer. I regret not appreciating him more when he was alive.
Violin Concerto No. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi_jW4pou4A
Violin Concerto No. 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WVpIubQugw
Quote from: relm1 on August 09, 2022, 03:55:22 PM
A lightbulb just went off for me as I was listening to Tishchenko's Violin Concerto No. 1 for the first time just now. First, I really enjoyed it. I think he was only 19 when he composed it and it was a very fine work. What I found unexpected was the shadow of Shostakovich doesn't loom so large but rather post-Soviet futurist music, modernism, and expressionism is a larger influence. I get he's early in his career but I'm familiar with his later works more than his early works so this was a bit revelatory to me. He's more an heir to Mosolov than to Shostakovich. But you can clearly see elements of Shostakovich, but I hear this more as elements of modernism that Shostakovich embraced. Think pre-Pravda Shostakovich of 20's and 30's rather than mid 30's through 50's.
I believe Soviet 20th century music has a significant musicological and historical place and is very rich in history and substance. I thought somewhat simplistically that the second half of 20th century soviet music was dominated by Shostakovich and his imitators but that's really not the case, it's far more nuanced and frankly interesting. One characteristic it seems to share is a nostalgia or longing for tradition even if that means a late 20th century composer like Tishchenko looks back to the Soviet avant-garde because he does so by bringing many other influences some of which are very traditional and some more experimental. A fascinating composer and I highly recommend both his violin concertos - they are probably my favorite of his works. They are not at all too far forward (anyone who likes Mosolov's Iron Foundry won't find anything too far in these works) but they are truly deserved to be better known as does this composer. I regret not appreciating him more when he was alive.
Violin Concerto No. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi_jW4pou4A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi_jW4pou4A)
Violin Concerto No. 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WVpIubQugw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WVpIubQugw)
Nice!
What are your thoughts of Dante Symphonies? I accidently was listening to it not knowing what it was and found it surprisingly beautiful. How to think of it. Symphonies? Tone poems? Ballets? Check out the material around 45:30 minutes in. It's gorgeous for contemporary music. This could almost be Tchaikovsky!
On April 24, to mark the anniversary of the St. Petersburg composer-"sixties" Boris Tishchenko, a creative meeting and presentation of the memoirs of the composer's widow Irina Donskaya-Tishchenko and a music album with romances by Boris Ivanovich based on poems by Anna Akhmatova will take place at the One and a Half Room museum by Joseph Brodsky. The album also included a romance based on the words of Joseph Brodsky, in whose vocal part Tishchenko brilliantly reproduced in notes the manner of his beloved friend reading poetry.
The creative meeting and presentation on April 24, at 12:30, will be attended by Honored Artist of Russia Irina Donskaya-Tishchenko, Rector of the St. Petersburg Conservatory. Rimsky-Korsakov Alexey Vasiliev, conductor and composer Anton Lubchenko, music producer of the Balt-Music publishing house Oleg Grabko.
Honored Artist of Russia Irina Donskaya-Tishchenko, a famous harpist and professor at the St. Petersburg Conservatory, was Boris Tishchenko's companion and muse, faithful companion and wife for 33 years. Irina Anatolyevna was the first listener of his works and edited the harp parts in all his works. A large number of works by Boris Ivanovich are dedicated to her, including the Concerto for Harp and Orchestra and the Concerto for Violin and Orchestra (Symphony Concertante). All this makes her memoirs "The Running of Time of Boris Tishchenko" interesting both as deeply personal memories of a prominent representative of the Leningrad-St. Petersburg cultural elite, and as evidence of a certain historical period, and, of course, from a musicological point of view.
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This new recording must be part of the celebration of his anniversary I guess:
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Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 22, 2024, 05:35:23 PMThis new recording must be part of the celebration of his anniversary I guess:
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it doesn't seems same item
https://bomba-piter.ru/shop/product/tishchenko-boris-beg-vremeni-iuliia-kuchina-patrichelli-anton-lubchenko
"... Boris Ivanovich Tishchenko wrote the vocal cycle "The Running of Time" in 2003, in his last decade - this is one of his later masterpieces. And all the more symbolic is this appeal to the work of Anna Akhmatova, the love for which he carried throughout his life: back in 1966 year, the composer wrote the famous "Requiem" based on its text.
I meant part of the celebration in a broader sense, not necessarily related to what you posted.
Quote from: relm1 on July 31, 2023, 05:26:05 PMWhat are your thoughts of Dante Symphonies?
I need to get round to listening to these. I think I listened to one or two of them a while back but I can't really remember them.