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Poll
Question: Which one is your favourite?
Option 1: Swan Lake votes: 7
Option 2: The Sleeping Beauty votes: 9
Option 3: The Nutcracker votes: 11
Title: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: madaboutmahler on December 29, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
Having spent the last week listening through my Previn set of the Tchaikovsky ballets for the first time, I have really come to love each of them very very much! All three of them are so magical, so it's hard to choose a favourite! I'd have to go for Swan Lake though. Absolutely fantastic music! :)

How about yours? :)
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Lisztianwagner on December 29, 2012, 12:57:10 PM
I can share the feeling, it's quite hard to choose, all three are definitely wonderful. I think my vote will go for The Sleeping Beauty.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Conor71 on December 29, 2012, 01:18:06 PM
Swan Lake for me too!  8)
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Brahmsian on December 29, 2012, 01:18:43 PM
I love all three.  However, hands down I would chose Swan Lake.  It has drama, tension and darkness in it, which the other two ballets lack.

And hands down, I love best the performance of Bonynge and the National Philharmonic Orchestra.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Mirror Image on December 29, 2012, 06:01:55 PM
I seldom listen to these three ballets, but if I had to choose one it would definitely be The Sleeping Beauty. I do like Swan Lake a lot, but I've never really warmed to The Nutcracker for some reason. This said, I enjoy Tchaikovsky's symphonies much more.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: mc ukrneal on December 29, 2012, 07:06:19 PM
Really, I could listen and watch each of them endlessly and never come to a decision, while very much enjoying the process. Where's the option to pick the top three!?!?!?! :)
Title: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Lake Swan on December 30, 2012, 12:11:16 AM
Hm. I wonder...
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: 71 dB on December 30, 2012, 06:22:29 AM
I have to say I have ignored Tchaikovsky's Ballet's until recently. Few weeks ago I saw parts of The Sleeping Beauty on TV and realized that Tchaikovsky's Ballets are actually damn good music.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Jaakko Keskinen on October 01, 2016, 07:49:52 AM
Sleeping Beauty.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Monsieur Croche on October 01, 2016, 11:41:57 AM
Stravinsky's Le Baiser de la fée.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Florestan on October 01, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on October 01, 2016, 11:41:57 AM
Stravinsky's Le Baiser de la fée.

That´s supposed to make you feel so smart, ain´t it?

Guess what, you aren´t. It just shows one more time your smugness.

TD: The Nutcracker
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 01, 2016, 07:45:37 PM
Quote from: Florestan on October 01, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
That´s supposed to make you feel so smart, ain´t it?

Guess what, you aren´t. It just shows one more time your smugness.


QFT. My vote also for The Nutcracker, especially when performed in Balanchine's splendid choreography for the New York City Ballet.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Wanderer on October 01, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Can't choose, sorry*.

*(not sorry)
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Spineur on October 02, 2016, 01:00:09 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on October 01, 2016, 07:45:37 PM
QFT. My vote also for The Nutcracker, especially when performed in Balanchine's splendid choreography for the New York City Ballet.
I also chose the Nutcracker but I favor the Petipa choregraphy adapted by Aaron Watkin and Jason Beechley in  the production of the Dresden opera with the students of the  Palucca Hochschule für Tanz Dresden.  The Arte broadcast of this production is on YT

https://www.youtube.com/v/JHZokYsB1pI

In second place, I would choose, the Sleeping Beauty in the Petipa/Nureyev choregraphy in the Paris Opera production with Aurélie Dupont and Manuel Legris.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: vandermolen on October 02, 2016, 05:14:23 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on December 29, 2012, 06:01:55 PM
I seldom listen to these three ballets, but if I had to choose one it would definitely be The Sleeping Beauty. I do like Swan Lake a lot, but I've never really warmed to The Nutcracker for some reason. This said, I enjoy Tchaikovsky's symphonies much more.
+1
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on October 02, 2016, 05:39:24 AM
Quote from: Spineur on October 02, 2016, 01:00:09 AM
I also chose the Nutcracker but I favor the Petipa choregraphy adapted by Aaron Watkin and Jason Beechley in  the production of the Dresden opera with the students of the  Palucca Hochschule für Tanz Dresden.  The Arte broadcast of this production is on YT

Thanks for the link. I'll watch during the holiday season. Meanwhile, the Balanchine has been preserved on DVD and you can see it on YT as well (unfortunately with an annoying narrator). It is a venerable tradition here in New York City and the production has been copied and imitated numerous times as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ5Se2ErinU
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: James on October 02, 2016, 06:36:02 AM
What I appreciate about Tchaikovsky's ballets (the 3 listed here) is that they can be listened to as pieces of music in and of themselves. They are really rich musical works - quasi-symphonic in construction, tightly constructed (rather than dances just strung together), perfect, clear flowing musical narratives, chalk full of memorable tunes, greater range of rhythms, masterfully orchestrated. Before Tchaikovsky ballet was just vapid backdrop for dancers to show off  .. he elevated it to a true musical art-form with a real independent voice. Composers like Ravel, Bartok & above all Stravinsky - would do the same.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: trazom on October 02, 2016, 01:02:35 PM
They're all so wonderful and iconic it's difficult to choose. I guess I'll have to go with The Sleeping Beauty because, musically, it's the richest in sumptuous romantic orchestral music. Swan Lake has a lot of beautiful and poignant melodies too but the memorable moments for me are less abundant than in Sleeping Beauty. My absolute favorite scene from all three ballets in terms of the music, though, is the lush and  unforgettable pas de deux "A Pine Forest in Winter" from The Nutcracker.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: arpeggio on October 02, 2016, 01:17:20 PM
Favorite? Swan Lake.

Why? I don't know.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Ken B on October 02, 2016, 05:30:28 PM
This is in a sense easy for me. I like SB best musically but my favourite is Swan Lake. Florestan talked about one's first piece. For me that's the Swan's solo in Swan Lake. When I first heard it remains probably the most consequential few minutes of my life.
Title: Re: Favourite Tchaikovsky Ballet?
Post by: Jo498 on October 02, 2016, 11:57:11 PM
Quote from: trazom on October 02, 2016, 01:02:35 PM
My absolute favorite scene from all three ballets in terms of the music, though, is the lush and  unforgettable pas de deux "A Pine Forest in Winter" from The Nutcracker.
This is the most evocative scene I can think of but I am not as familiar with the pieces as others are. My impression is that Sleeping beauty is the most diverse and richest score but it is also a little long...
In any case, when I first heard the complete Nutcracker I was surprised how badly the piece is represented by the usual suite/excerpts that are centered around the "candy" sequence and the Valse des fleurs.