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Title: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Bogey on February 13, 2013, 06:29:19 PM
Which composer would you have liked to have seen live and compose an extra twenty years? I know that some might say Schubert since he only made it to 32 or Wolfie at 35, but what if the likes of Copland would have continued....or LvB.....whose music might have become more interesting based on where they seemed to be heading?

So, one or two choices with the reason why.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 13, 2013, 06:39:26 PM
For me, Delius. He was 72 when he died, but I imagine he would have continued to perfect his art and his music would have possibly became even more introspective. But who knows? Ravel, Bartok, Debussy, Holst, Barber, Scriabin, Shostakovich, and Prokofiev are composers that would have gone on to compose more music I imagine, although Barber is kind of the wild card here because he let music critics get to him during his career when he could have composed much more music had he just ignored them. They practically ate him alive after the failure of his opera Antony and Cleopatra.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Daverz on February 13, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
But didn't Copland retire from composing?  You'd have to convince him to keep composing.

Seems that there was already a thread on this topic that I found googling:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=18541.0

I can think of:

Vorisek
Arriaga
Kraus
Schulhoff (and many other composers murdered by the Nazis)
Kalinnikov

Could have used a few more years:

Bruckner
Mahler
Bartok




Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Todd on February 13, 2013, 06:54:34 PM
First choice is Schubert.  I agree with Alfred Brendel that Schubert was going through a stylistic shift when he died.  Had he continued for two more decades, who knows what he would have produced.  Second choice is Mahler.  I dare say the various completions of Mahler's 10th are nowhere near as good as what he would have produced, plus he would have been able to record.  Third choice is Janacek.  He was in his prime when he passed.

Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Bogey on February 13, 2013, 07:31:53 PM
Quote from: Daverz on February 13, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
But didn't Copland retire from composing?  You'd have to convince him to keep composing.

Seems that there was already a thread on this topic that I found googling:

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php?topic=18541.0



Yup, but let's say you could have pushed Stravinsky to over 100. :)

Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: snyprrr on February 13, 2013, 07:36:25 PM
Webern, duh!
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Brian on February 13, 2013, 07:45:16 PM
Quote from: Todd on February 13, 2013, 06:54:34 PM
First choice is Schubert.  I agree with Alfred Brendel that Schubert was going through a stylistic shift when he died.  Had he continued for two more decades, who knows what he would have produced.

Unquestionably first choice. What's stunning to me is how - it's more than "mature"; in late Schubert (D956 (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,21005.msg664969.html#msg664969), the late sonatas) one gets the sense of a composer who has somehow experienced a whole world of longing, sweetness, suffering, and happiness. He was in an extraordinary stylistic place, barriers to new means of expression crashing around him. He had finally figured out how to mesh his genius for melody into bigger-scaled works, he was distributing the "weight" of a work more evenly between movements (compare to the underwhelming sketches of the rest of the "Unfinished" symphony), he created a voice like none other.

The fact that the second piano trio, Winterreise, Schwanengesang, the impromptus, the klavierstucke, the last piano sonatas, and the string quintet were all composed in 18 months - is utterly mind-boggling. The fact that they were composed by a single composer who was aged 30/31 is humbling.

The idea of twenty more years of that? Impossible to conceive. I'd settle for two.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: lescamil on February 13, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
First choice for me would be Scriabin. I would have loved to see him complete his piece Mysterium, which was supposedly to last for 3 days and bring about the end of the world. We only have some realized sketches to go on. It would have been interesting to see where his musical language would have gone later in his life.

Next choice would be Mahler. I would have loved to see him finish his 10th symphony, because I'm sick of comparing realizations of the 4 uncompleted movements. An 11th symphony would be good, too!
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Daverz on February 13, 2013, 08:55:57 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on February 13, 2013, 07:36:25 PM
Webern, duh!

And Magnard.  We'll send you back in time to yell, "Get back in the house!"
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Karl Henning on February 14, 2013, 04:36:44 AM
Prokofiev, provided he would not have followed through on that scheme to fart around with the Second Symphony ; )
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: mahler10th on February 14, 2013, 05:04:09 AM
Quote from: Daverz on February 13, 2013, 08:55:57 PM
And Magnard.  We'll send you back in time to yell, "Get back in the house!"

LOL  :laugh: :laugh:  It is such a sad story, but aye, if only someone had been there and bundled him into the house for his own safety.

Hans Rott - he wouldn't have changed much in Western Music, but for sure he would be mentioned in the same breath and listened to as much as Bruckner and Mahler, if only he made it.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Cato on February 14, 2013, 05:07:15 AM
Quote from: Scots John on February 14, 2013, 05:04:09 AM

Hans Rott -

Quote from: lescamil on February 13, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
First choice for me would be Scriabin. I would have loved to see him complete his piece Mysterium, ... We only have some realized sketches to go on. It would have been interesting to see where his musical language would have gone later in his life.

Next choice would be Mahler. I would have loved to see him finish his 10th symphony, ...

These three were the composers I immediately thought of, although Schubert and Bruckner are also good choices.

Alexander Nemtin was able to crank out over two hours of music from Scriabin's Mysterium sketches...although one gets the point after the first 40 minutes.   0:)

Prokofiev... without the effects of the stroke!

Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: mc ukrneal on February 14, 2013, 05:23:59 AM
Norbert Burgmuller. Wonderful music started to emerge and he was dead at such a young age.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Wakefield on February 14, 2013, 05:36:40 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2013, 06:39:26 PM
For me, Delius. He was 72 when he died, but I imagine he would have continued to perfect his art and his music would have possibly became even more introspective. But who knows? Ravel, Bartok, Debussy, Holst, Barber, Scriabin, Shostakovich, and Prokofiev are composers that would have gone on to compose more music I imagine, although Barber is kind of the wild card here because he let music critics get to him during his career when he could have composed much more music had he just ignored them. They practically ate him alive after the failure of his opera Antony and Cleopatra.

BTW, MI, I think your personal essential list posted on January, 3 needs an urgent update after just one month... Just saying.  >:D

Quote from: Mirror Image on January 03, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
I deleted my list from 2010. Apparently, I can live without many of these recordings. :P A new list would look something like this (in no particular order):

1. Shostakovich: Symphony No. 8, Haitink, RCO, Decca
2. Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5, Bernstein, NY Phil., Sony (1979 Live in Japan)
3. Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1, Lisa Batiashvili, Esa-Pekka Salonen, Bavarian RSO, DG
4. Prokofiev: Le Pas d'Acier; L'enfant prodigue, Michail Jurowski, Cologne Radio SO, CPO
5. Elgar: Enigma Variations, In the South, Serenade for Strings, Sir Andrew Davis, Philharmonia Orch., Signum Classics
6. Elgar: Symphonies 1 & 2, Sir Andrew Davis, Philharmonia Orch., Signum Classics
7. Debussy: Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un faune, Nocturnes, Pelleas et Melisande Suite, Claudio Abbado, BPO, DG
8. Debussy/Ravel: Orchestral Works, various orchestras, Jean Martinon, EMI
9. Debussy/Ravel: Chamber Works, Nash Ensemble, Virgin Classics
10. Vaughan Williams: Job - A Masque for Dancing, Richard Hickox, Bournemouth SO, EMI
11. Vaughan Williams: Complete Symphonies, Bryden Thomson, LSO, Chandos
12. Berg: DG Collection
13. Bartok: The Wooden Prince, Cantata Profana, Pierre Boulez, CSO, DG
14. Bartok: Concertos, Kyung-Wha Chung, Vladimir Ashkenazy, Solti, CSO, Decca
15. The Essential Sibelius, BIS
16. Stravinsky: Robert Craft Edition, Naxos
17. Part: Summa, Cantus in Memoriam of Benjamin Britten, etc., Paavo Jarvi, Estonian NSO, Virgin Classics
18. Villa-Lobos: Complete Choros and Bachianas Brasileiras, Neschling, BIS
19. Honegger: Symphonies 2 & 5, Pacific 231, Neeme Jarvi, Danish NRSO, Chandos
20. Roussel: Orchestral Works, Stephane Deneve, RSNO, Naxos
21. Janacek: Glagolitic Mass, Sinfonietta, Tilson Thomas, various soloists, LSO & Chorus, Sony
22. Tippett: Symphonies, Concerti, etc, Howard Shelley, Richard Hickox, Bournemouth SO, Chandos
23. Tippett: A Child of Our Time, various soloists, Richard Hickox, LSO & Chorus, Chandos
24. Koechlin: The Jungle Book, David Zinman, Berlin RSO, RCA
25. Koechlin: Orchestral/Vocal Works, Heinz Holliger, Stuttgart RSO, Hanssler Classics
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: mahler10th on February 14, 2013, 05:54:19 AM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on February 14, 2013, 05:36:40 AM
BTW, MI, I think your personal essential list posted on January, 3 needs an urgent update after just one month... Just saying.  >:D

QuoteQuote from: Mirror Image on 03 January 2013, 19:45:39
    I deleted my list from 2010. Apparently, I can live without many of these recordings. :P A new list would look something like this (in no particular order):
    1. Shostakovich: Symphony No. 8, Haitink, RCO, Decca
    2. Shostakovich: Symphony No. 5, Bernstein, NY Phil., Sony (1979 Live in Japan)
    3. Shostakovich: Violin Concerto No. 1, Lisa Batiashvili, Esa-Pekka Salonen, Bavarian RSO, DG
    4. Prokofiev: Le Pas d'Acier; L'enfant prodigue, Michail Jurowski, Cologne Radio SO, CPO
    5. Elgar: Enigma Variations, In the South, Serenade for Strings, Sir Andrew Davis, Philharmonia Orch., Signum Classics
    6. Elgar: Symphonies 1 & 2, Sir Andrew Davis, Philharmonia Orch., Signum Classics
    7. Debussy: Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un faune, Nocturnes, Pelleas et Melisande Suite, Claudio Abbado, BPO, DG
    8. Debussy/Ravel: Orchestral Works, various orchestras, Jean Martinon, EMI
    9. Debussy/Ravel: Chamber Works, Nash Ensemble, Virgin Classics
    10. Vaughan Williams: Job - A Masque for Dancing, Richard Hickox, Bournemouth SO, EMI
    11. Vaughan Williams: Complete Symphonies, Bryden Thomson, LSO, Chandos
    12. Berg: DG Collection
    13. Bartok: The Wooden Prince, Cantata Profana, Pierre Boulez, CSO, DG
    14. Bartok: Concertos, Kyung-Wha Chung, Vladimir Ashkenazy, Solti, CSO, Decca
    15. The Essential Sibelius, BIS
    16. Stravinsky: Robert Craft Edition, Naxos
    17. Part: Summa, Cantus in Memoriam of Benjamin Britten, etc., Paavo Jarvi, Estonian NSO, Virgin Classics
    18. Villa-Lobos: Complete Choros and Bachianas Brasileiras, Neschling, BIS
    19. Honegger: Symphonies 2 & 5, Pacific 231, Neeme Jarvi, Danish NRSO, Chandos
    20. Roussel: Orchestral Works, Stephane Deneve, RSNO, Naxos
    21. Janacek: Glagolitic Mass, Sinfonietta, Tilson Thomas, various soloists, LSO & Chorus, Sony
    22. Tippett: Symphonies, Concerti, etc, Howard Shelley, Richard Hickox, Bournemouth SO, Chandos
    23. Tippett: A Child of Our Time, various soloists, Richard Hickox, LSO & Chorus, Chandos
    24. Koechlin: The Jungle Book, David Zinman, Berlin RSO, RCA
    25. Koechlin: Orchestral/Vocal Works, Heinz Holliger, Stuttgart RSO, Hanssler Classics

I bet Delius was on the list of 2010... :P
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Karl Henning on February 14, 2013, 06:01:04 AM
Quote from: Scots John on February 14, 2013, 05:54:19 AM
I bet Delius was on the list of 2010... :P

We'll all have a laugh over it, when the Delius phase passes.

Thread Duty:

With a number of people mentioning Webern, I am surprised that no one has mentioned Berg. What a yet-richer century the 20th would have been in opera, if he hadn't been cut off.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: The new erato on February 14, 2013, 07:05:37 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on February 14, 2013, 06:01:04 AM
We'll all have a laugh over it, when the Delius phase passes.

You cynics, you. :P
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 14, 2013, 07:19:50 AM
Quote from: Gordon Shumway on February 14, 2013, 05:36:40 AM
BTW, MI, I think your personal essential list posted on January, 3 needs an urgent update after just one month... Just saying.  >:D

These kinds of lists are always subject to change with me, Gordon, but the reality is I'm done making those kinds of lists anyway, because what's the point of it really? All of the music I love dearly is essential to me.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 14, 2013, 07:42:26 AM
Quote from: The new erato on February 14, 2013, 07:05:37 AM
You cynics, you. :P

I'm not too worried about what they think, erato. It's true that Delius hasn't always been in heavy rotation with me, but his music I have always had in the back of my mind. It has only been recently (late January until now) that I have realized how important his music is to me. I've always loved his music and I always will. That can never change just like my avatar. As long as I'm on this forum it will be Delius!
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: DavidRoss on February 14, 2013, 07:55:25 AM
Mozart, fer shure. The late operas and symphonies especially betoken unrealized riches, and I cannot help but wonder what music would be like if both he and Beethoven were influencing one another over the next 20+ years.

Mahler, of course. Not so much for the 10th as for the 11th and 12th and especially for another song cycle or two.

Schubert, for reasons already described.

Bizet -- just hitting his stride when he died.  What might have followed Carmen we'll never know.

Likewise Albéniz and Iberia.

Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Fafner on February 14, 2013, 08:20:56 AM
Mozart, Schubert and LvB, obviously - for reasons already mentioned.

Carl Maria von Weber and especially Puccini!  I would love to hear how they would develop in later years.
And Janáček. He was 74, but he was just getting started for real!
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: TheGSMoeller on February 14, 2013, 09:27:57 AM
How about a living composer? I hope to see Philip Glass compose for another 20 years, just turned 75, much longer than many of the deceased mentioned here, but he is still as prolific as ever.

Prokofiev - died at 61 years of age I believe. His body of work is so dynamic with so many alterations (his 7 1/2 symphonies are quite diverse in themselves) I would have loved to hear an 8th or 9th symphony, perhaps a few more solo piano pieces (some of his greatest output).

Others mentioned here - Schubert, Webern, Berg.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Lisztianwagner on February 14, 2013, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: Fafner on February 14, 2013, 08:20:56 AM
Mozart, Schubert, Mahler, and LvB, obviously - for reasons already mentioned.
+1

Richard Wagner. I really wonder how his music would have developed if he had lived longer; in his operas, Wagner doesn't break up with tonality, but he takes it to extremes; I think he could have certainly arrived to atonality earlier than Schönberg.
Josef Strauss. He was only 43 when he died, but he was able to develop an extremely poetical, expressive style, often deep, melancholic and inclined to instrospection, more than his brothers'. He might have provably become the most talented member of the family if he hadn't died so early (even Schani said so).
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: snyprrr on February 14, 2013, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on February 14, 2013, 06:01:04 AM
We'll all have a laugh over it, when the Delius phase passes.

Hey, he has risen the GDP .00213% on his contributions alone!

But yea, it's all quite funny. Should we take bets on who the next object d'amour is? I'll take a wild guess and say Rumsfeld, uh, Rasputin, I mean Takemitsu.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: calyptorhynchus on February 14, 2013, 12:56:31 PM
Yes all the usuals, and

Ernest Farrer and George Butterworth.... not to be killed in the trenches.

Pavel Haas.... not to be murdered in a Nazi death camp.

Gerald Finzi, so he could give us a few more works like the Cello Concerto (Symphony anyone?)

E J Moeran, so he could finish the 2nd Symphony.

Hans Rott, so he could write another few Symphonies and String Quartets.



Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Cato on February 14, 2013, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: calyptorhynchus on February 14, 2013, 12:56:31 PM
Yes all the usuals, and

Ernest Farrer and George Butterworth.... not to be killed in the trenches.


Reminds me of Jehan Alain who was killed in WWII.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: North Star on February 14, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
Something missing from this thread ... Chopin! Just imagine - 1810-1869 instead of '49... He could have arrived at atonality, too...

Others: Pergolesi, Schubert, Mozart, Beethoven, Mahler, Janacek.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Brian on February 14, 2013, 01:09:14 PM
I very much like the nominations of Schulhoff, Pavel Haas, Janacek, Bizet, and if someone has said it, Shostakovich - who would have seen the fall of Communism. I want to comment on Neal's suggestion:

Quote from: mc ukrneal on February 14, 2013, 05:23:59 AM
Norbert Burgmuller. Wonderful music started to emerge and he was dead at such a young age.

A very interesting one. Here was my recent take on Burgmuller for MusicWeb (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/Feb13/Burgmuller_symphony_33508172.htm): "Norbert Burgmüller had considerable promise as a composer before dying at age 26. ...Schumann no doubt also knew about the overture, which might be my favorite piece here. Still, Burgmüller was not really capable of writing memorable tunes, which is why his music often sounds like Schubert without the depth or memorable substance. Then again, Schubert lived to 31. Burgmüller didn't even have that good fortune."
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Bogey on February 14, 2013, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on February 14, 2013, 07:55:25 AM
Mozart, fer shure. The late operas and symphonies especially betoken unrealized riches, and I cannot help but wonder what music would be like if both he and Beethoven were influencing one another over the next 20+ years.



Some irony in me typing, "And the Requiem!  He would have finished the Requiem!"
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Cato on February 14, 2013, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: Brian on February 14, 2013, 01:09:14 PM
... Shostakovich - who would have seen the fall of Communism.


Oh yes, and even the looser 1980's under Gorbachev: what effect would that have had on his soul? 

The answer would seem obvious...but given his past experiences, he might have stayed very mistrustful of glasnost, unable to believe that the Iron Curtain would actually fall.

But who knows?
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: mc ukrneal on February 14, 2013, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: Brian on February 14, 2013, 01:09:14 PM
I very much like the nominations of Schulhoff, Pavel Haas, Janacek, Bizet, and if someone has said it, Shostakovich - who would have seen the fall of Communism. I want to comment on Neal's suggestion:

A very interesting one. Here was my recent take on Burgmuller for MusicWeb (http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2013/Feb13/Burgmuller_symphony_33508172.htm): "Norbert Burgmüller had considerable promise as a composer before dying at age 26. ...Schumann no doubt also knew about the overture, which might be my favorite piece here. Still, Burgmüller was not really capable of writing memorable tunes, which is why his music often sounds like Schubert without the depth or memorable substance. Then again, Schubert lived to 31. Burgmüller didn't even have that good fortune."
I think you need to re-evaluate this (the bolded). Have you heard the first symphony? It is full of melody (just listen to the third movement - great stuff, not to mention the first or fourth movement)! (and not to mention some of his chamber works or piano sonata). That MDG disc is quite good in my opinion and a nice way to get into Burgmuller (though I still recommned the Sterling disc with Symphony No. 1 most of all).
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Rinaldo on February 15, 2013, 04:33:58 AM
Kapralova (http://www.kapralova.org/). So much promise.

PURCELL!

Claude Vivier.

And most definitely Mozart.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: springrite on February 15, 2013, 05:06:33 AM
Carter, because I would love to be able to follow a living composer for another twenty years.


But more serious answers from me would be Mahler and Schubert and I do occasionally wonder what Lekeu might have done. Maybe nothing. Then again, maybe very very interesting.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: ibanezmonster on February 15, 2013, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: North Star on February 14, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
Something missing from this thread ... Chopin! Just imagine - 1810-1869 instead of '49... He could have arrived at atonality, too...
Well... then Scriabin might not have been so original at the time.  ;)
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: North Star on February 15, 2013, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: Greg on February 15, 2013, 08:49:18 AM
Well... then Scriabin might not have been so original at the time.  ;)
Or maybe he would have been even more 'out there' (hopefully just musically...)  8)
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Dax on February 16, 2013, 12:16:00 AM
Skalkottas - is nobody on this board familiar with his work or appreciative of what he achieved?
1940 - the 32 piano pieces and the 4th quartet for starters.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Ten thumbs on February 16, 2013, 09:16:12 AM
Some good suggestions here, to which I will add both Mendelssohns. Fanny had just begun to publish and she would have gained the notice that she deserved. Who knows what the dialogue between the two might have produced, given another twenty years? For one thing, I think Felix would have been driven to much more adventurous harmony.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: dyn on February 16, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
Lekeu, Julian Scriabin, Pergolesi, Stanchinsky etc. Give a few more years to those who didn't get enough of them. >.>

More selfishly i'd pick Vivier, Barraqué, Grisey and Beethoven for first priority. i wanna hear the set of string quartets that would have started with Op. 135.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Brian on February 16, 2013, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on February 14, 2013, 04:27:19 PM
I think you need to re-evaluate this (the bolded). Have you heard the first symphony? It is full of melody (just listen to the third movement - great stuff, not to mention the first or fourth movement)! (and not to mention some of his chamber works or piano sonata). That MDG disc is quite good in my opinion and a nice way to get into Burgmuller (though I still recommned the Sterling disc with Symphony No. 1 most of all).

I shall re-evaluate at my leisure, but also with pleasure! Can you recommend an album of the chamber works? I have heard the First Symphony on Carus (HIP).
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: madaboutmahler on February 16, 2013, 11:50:45 AM
Karlo and I were talking about this subject a few days and I instantly came out with Gershwin. His music is just so enjoyable so I find it such a shame that there can't be more of it to listen to, and he could have written so much more.... symphonies perhaps! I can just imagine it..... would have been fantastic I'm sure.... such a shame! I'll just have to make do with listen to the Levine disc over and over again :p
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: mc ukrneal on February 16, 2013, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: Brian on February 16, 2013, 11:12:15 AM
I shall re-evaluate at my leisure, but also with pleasure! Can you recommend an album of the chamber works? I have heard the First Symphony on Carus (HIP).
The only full discs with chamber works are the two quartet discs on MDG. The third MDG disc is a mish-mosh with chamber, songs and piano mixed together. But the first two are string quartets. Actually, there are a lot of multi-composer discs that include a chamber work of Burgmuller, but I simply have not heard any of them.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 17, 2013, 07:17:43 PM
Quote from: Dax on February 16, 2013, 12:16:00 AMSkalkottas - is nobody on this board familiar with his work or appreciative of what he achieved?

What did he achieve, Dax? What separates him from the great masters of the 20th Century?
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Dax on February 18, 2013, 02:30:03 PM
He achieved the composition of a number of remarkable works. He is one of the masters of the 20th century. Seriously!
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 18, 2013, 05:48:19 PM
Quote from: Dax on February 18, 2013, 02:30:03 PM
He achieved the composition of a number of remarkable works. He is one of the masters of the 20th century. Seriously!

You can't tell why you consider him one of the best composers of the 20th Century? No recommendations? No comments on his style and the evolution of this style?
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 18, 2013, 05:51:48 PM
Lili Boulanger, like I mentioned in a similar-styled thread, is a good candidate. She died in her early 20s. She could have done so much more.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: ibanezmonster on February 21, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
Besides my obvious answer of Mahler, I'd like to add Berg, for sure.

Except that I'd rather him keep on writing works in the same exact style of the 3 Pieces for Orchestra. Ridiculously complex and intense (the most complex works out of the Second Viennese School). Maybe he'd symphonies like this (which is probably want Mahler would end up sounding like, anyways).

The reason why I like the 3 Pieces so much better than his other stuff is because he combines both passion and complexity; the Chamber Concerto is complex, but passionate? The Violin Concerto passionate, but complex? I mean complexity in the sense of textures/counterpoint/density. Also, I prefer instrumental over vocal (such as opera).

This and Tchaikovsky's 6th: soundtrack to my life presently.  :)
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 21, 2013, 08:20:06 PM
Quote from: Greg on February 21, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
Besides my obvious answer of Mahler, I'd like to add Berg, for sure.

Except that I'd rather him keep on writing works in the same exact style of the 3 Pieces for Orchestra. Ridiculously complex and intense (the most complex works out of the Second Viennese School). Maybe he'd symphonies like this (which is probably want Mahler would end up sounding like, anyways).

The reason why I like the 3 Pieces so much better than his other stuff is because he combines both passion and complexity; the Chamber Concerto is complex, but passionate? The Violin Concerto passionate, but complex? I mean complexity in the sense of textures/counterpoint/density. Also, I prefer instrumental over vocal (such as opera).

This and Tchaikovsky's 6th: soundtrack to my life presently.  :)

Fully agree with your nomination of Berg. He undoubtedly would have produced more masterworks. I do like his works with vocals: Seven Early Songs is just tremendous. Wozzeck is just twisted, but I love it! Der Wein is beautiful in it's own strange and compelling way like so many of Berg's works are. Violin Concerto is a passionate work no doubt. Whether it's complex or not makes no difference to me, it's musical narrative is crystal clear. Haunting work. Chamber Concerto is a work I have yet to crack and I really just don't care much for it. Lulu Suite is a great work.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 21, 2013, 08:59:23 PM
I'm not sure if Szymanowski has been mentioned yet but he would have gone on to compose some phenomenal things. 8)
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: calyptorhynchus on February 22, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
Oh, and William Hurlstone (1876-1900). He died when he was 24 but had already composed very impressive orchestral and chamber works in the Brahmsian tradition. There is no knowing where a talent like that would have gone.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: bumtz on February 23, 2013, 07:25:38 AM
Lili Boulanger (1893-1918). I have her Psalms - striking!

Gideon Klein (1919-1945) also.

Both could have been major composers, such a shame. 
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Brahmsian on February 23, 2013, 07:47:49 AM
Schubert.  Every time I listen to Schubert, I think this.  What if he had lived another 10 to 20 years.  His influence and impact on composers like Schumann and Mendelssohn would have been even greater (and especially, I think, Bruckner)

I think he would have held some Schubertiads in his home inviting Schumann and Mendelssohn.  :laugh:

I could foresee the following:

Perhaps finally a grand concerto (for the viola, since he played it), or a cello or piano concerto.

And a fish series of quintets with varying instrument combinations (Salmon, Bass, Pike, Catfish)  $:) :laugh:
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Karl Henning on February 23, 2013, 08:14:31 PM
Ray, some day, I shall write a Tilapia Quintet, and you will know why . . . .
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Mirror Image on February 23, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Adding just 10 more years onto Grieg's life would have given us a Piano Concerto No. 2 and a Violin Concerto and not to mention some other works.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Brahmsian on February 23, 2013, 09:00:31 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on February 23, 2013, 08:14:31 PM
Ray, some day, I shall write a Tilapia Quintet, and you will know why . . . .

*Pounds the table!*  8)
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Dax on February 23, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 18, 2013, 05:48:19 PM
You can't tell why you consider him one of the best composers of the 20th Century? No recommendations? No comments on his style and the evolution of this style?

Indeed I can. How much do you want?

Some years ago I posted this link on the Skalkottas thread - it's from a defunct forum.
http://ded.increpare.com/r3ok_rescued/20thCentury/T1935_0.htm

You can still access it. I wrote under a different name and examined quite a few works including the 4th string quartet, 32 piano pieces, orchestral works and so on. Since that time quite a bit has appeared on YouTube. There are several excellent Greek performances on BIS. For a quick and effective introduction to the more challenging areas, I'd recommend the brief concertinos involving oboe and trumpet - they're both on YouTube.

Those two works indicate the kind of difficulties encountered in playing the music. Many performances are simply too slow. Those that aren't can be pretty electrifying.
Title: Re: Extending their life by 20 years
Post by: Fafner on February 28, 2013, 07:00:15 AM
Ernest Chausson, died at 44 in a bicycle accident.

I really like what little I have heard from him so far. It is a shame he did not leave more orchestral works.