GMG Classical Music Forum

What do you guys think?

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Aha, yes, that's an image for the desktop.  I might even frame it.  WWJ-LD.

You're a bit late to the party, John.

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,15153.0.html

Get your popcorn buckets filled, people!

No bananas option? I'm stumped.

I don't see why not, after all we accept England's fourth composer as classical, do we not?

I never noticed the music while watching movies.   :-[

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on March 16, 2013, 01:47:56 AM
England's fourth composer

Who could that be? After Vaughan Williams, Brian and Cooke, I wonder?  ::)

Quote from: Christo on March 16, 2013, 03:09:30 AM
Who could that be? After Vaughan Williams, Brian and Cooke, I wonder?  ::)

I would have no idea as to whom you rate as England's fourth composer?

Now we know your top three  ::)

Rolling eyes back at ya.

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on March 16, 2013, 03:20:40 AM
I would have no idea as to whom you rate as England's fourth composer?

Now we know your top three  ::)

Rolling eyes back at ya.

Mine? Why?  ;) Some other names for the first ranks would include, IMO: Holst, Berkeley (père), Bate, Arnold, Rubbra. But we're getting a bit tired of lists here, aren't we?  ;)

Where would you rate, and I'm pulling a random composer out of the air...where would you rate say....Delius?  Is he in your top rank?  MI will be reading this later  :laugh:

I like him very much, but his lack of film music sucks.  He could definitely have written film songs for Celine Dion or even Adele.

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on March 16, 2013, 03:41:22 AM
Where would you rate, and I'm pulling a random composer out of the air...where would you rate say....Delius?  Is he in your top rank?  MI will be reading this later  :laugh:

I like him very much, but his lack of film music sucks.  He could definitely have written film songs for Celine Dion or even Adele.

My main interest in Delius lies in the fact (should make a final check though  8)) that his name derives from a Dutch family dynasty of 17th Century reformed theologicians who latinized their family name "Van Deelen" - i.e. 'From Deelen', a tiny medieval settlement on the heath just a few miles to the East from where I'm living at the moment - into Delius. I may regard him an old neighbour, so to say. As to his music: let MI speak for it.  ;)

Yes, for the same reason ballet, incidental music (e.g., Beethoven's Egmont and Grieg's Peer Gynt) and melodrama (e.g., Sibelius's Wood-Nymph and Strauss's Enoch Arden) are considered classical music.

Sarge

Alexander Nevsky  8)
Ivan the Terrible   8)
Sinfonia Antartica  8)

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 16, 2013, 04:30:53 AM
Yes, for the same reason ballet, incidental music (e.g., Beethoven's Egmont and Grieg's Peer Gynt) and melodrama (e.g., Sibelius's Wood-Nymph and Strauss's Enoch Arden) are considered classical music.

Sarge

So the soundtrack to Bladerunner is classical? How about Goldsmith's Rambo: First Blood?

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 16, 2013, 05:13:46 AM
So the soundtrack to Bladerunner is classical? How about Goldsmith's Rambo: First Blood?

And clearly all symphonies, operas and string quartets are masterpieces of the highest order, and therefore, classical music.  ::)

Quote from: Mirror Image on March 16, 2013, 05:13:46 AM
So the soundtrack to Bladerunner is classical? How about Goldsmith's Rambo: First Blood?

You just explained why the question is silly. The soundtrack to Alexander Nevsky is obviously classical. The soundtrack to Young Frankenstein is classical pastiche. The soundtracks to Anatomy of a Murder, Stand and Deliver, and Rachel Getting Married are explicitly not classical. So the only acceptable answer is "sometimes."

Quote from: North Star on March 16, 2013, 05:52:57 AM
And clearly all symphonies, operas and string quartets are masterpieces of the highest order, and therefore, classical music.  ::)

Well, both Blade Runner and Rambo actually are masterpieces, but it's interesting to think about where one draws the line. I wouldn't consider Blade Runner as a classical work because it's all synth and Vangelis is a "pop" composer, but I have no problem letting Goldsmith into the classical fold. That said, I don't listen to any of his soundtracks the way I listen to classical stuff. The movie presence is too strong.

That said, I don't think there's a precise line between what is and what is not classical and more importantly, I don't think there's a need to draw that line.

Quote from: Brian on March 16, 2013, 06:01:26 AMSo the only acceptable answer is "sometimes."

This.

Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on March 16, 2013, 03:41:22 AM
Where would you rate, and I'm pulling a random composer out of the air...where would you rate say....Delius?  Is he in your top rank?  MI will be reading this later  :laugh:

I like him very much, but his lack of film music sucks.  He could definitely have written film songs for Celine Dion or even Adele.

I agree, it is like Delius was writing music for Cinemascope pictures before they were even invented.

As others say, depends on the soundtrack.

Quote from: Scots John on March 16, 2013, 06:07:17 AM
I agree, it is like Delius was writing music for Cinemascope pictures before they were even invented.

That's one thing a commentator made on that BBC documentary about Delius is that a work like On Hearing the First Cuckoo in Spring could very well be considered film music because of its music depiction of this bird out in the forest, but, of course, it was written before film existed.

Maybe I should have added the "sometimes" option? :-\

Quote from: Christo on March 16, 2013, 02:23:04 AM
I never noticed the music while watching movies.   :-[

Most people don't notice music while watching movies but it does affect the emotional experience (that's why they put music in movies!). The movies you have watched would have feld very different without music or with different music.

Quote from: 71 dB on March 16, 2013, 01:00:40 PM
Most people don't notice music while watching movies but it does affect the emotional experience (that's why they put music in movies!). The movies you have watched would have feld very different without music or with different music.

To test this, put the shower scene from Psycho on the TV, press "Mute," and use your stereo to start playing Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass!

Of course, you can do the same thing with the mute button on YouTube.
Psycho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VP5jEAP3K4
Herb Alpert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iDCPCfh_kw

Enjoy!

Quote from: Brian on March 16, 2013, 01:35:38 PM
To test this, put the shower scene from Psycho on the TV, press "Mute," and use your stereo to start playing Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass!

Of course, you can do the same thing with the mute button on YouTube.
Psycho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VP5jEAP3K4
Herb Alpert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iDCPCfh_kw

Enjoy!

I just actually did this and it was one of the most bizarrely hilarious experiences I can remember having.

Quote from: Brian on March 16, 2013, 01:38:10 PM
I just actually did this and it was one of the most bizarrely hilarious experiences I can remember having.

+1, awesome stuff   :laugh:

I does turn Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass' Spanish Flea into a classical film score indeed.  ;D

What's next? Listening to Delius with the sound turned down on The Silence of the Lambs? ; )

George Crumb while watching Dora the Explorer... is Dora trying to save that puppy, or kill it?

Quote from: karlhenning on March 17, 2013, 04:17:56 AM
What's next? Listening to Delius with the sound turned down on The Silence of the Lambs? ; )

Both are excruciating enough separately.

And what about Saint-Saens?

Could we count him as the Classical Music Composer or is he hopelessly the Film Music one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tm7QD0R8u4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tm7QD0R8u4)

Quote from: mszczuj on March 18, 2013, 01:46:24 AM
And what about Saint-Saens?

Could we count him as the Classical Music Composer or is he hopelessly the Film Music one?

Hopelessly?!

To answer the original question: Yes, "symphonic" film music is a sub-genre of classical music, as much as ballet, stage or radio scores or opera are.

Quote from: Brian on March 16, 2013, 06:01:26 AM
So the only acceptable answer is "sometimes."

Ditto. To the poll creator, with love.

Quote from: karlhenning on March 17, 2013, 04:17:56 AM
What's next? Listening to {enter composer's name} with the sound turned down on {enter film's name}? ; )

I'm doing that all the time, it's great!  8)