In this game, I will list a couple composers or pieces and one of them will be different in some way than the others. You will have to tell both who/what is the odd one out and why. I'll try not to make them too difficult! ;)
Anyways, my first one:
Bloch, Stravinsky, Villa-Lobos, Copland and Rochberg.
(Apologies if you're not familiar with Rochberg, but if you're not, you should be! :))
Hint: It has to do with their styles.
Knock yourselves out! ;D
I believe Villa-Lobos is the only composer who didn't dabble with serialism, so he's the odd man out. I could be wrong of course.
Bloch - only one whose first name doesn't contain an 'O'.
Quote from: Brian on August 13, 2013, 04:40:56 PM
Bloch - only one whose first name doesn't contain an 'O'.
Read the hint! :D
When you're done with the first round, take a shot at this:
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Quote from: Opus106 on August 14, 2013, 01:44:09 AM
When you're done with the first round, take a shot at this:
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6417/ebbf.jpg)
This one is too hard for me...unless its the obvious answer?
David W is the odd one out as he is the only one who worked on the Skynet Project for Cybernet. His system originally became self-aware at 2:14 am Eastern Time on August 29th, 1997.
I've been running ever since.
Quote from: Brian on August 13, 2013, 04:40:56 PM
Bloch - only one whose first name doesn't contain an 'O'.
Stravinsky - the only one whose last name doesn't contain an 'o' ;D
Sarge
Copland - the only one not to write one or several string quartets? Though that is hardly a matter of style; i don't see why John's answer isn't a good one. Villa-Lobos also is the only one here without obvious connections to the US.
Quote from: The new erato on August 14, 2013, 02:06:18 AM
Villa-Lobos also is the only one here without obvious connections to the US.
I thought the same thing (yes, we're ignoring kyjo's hint, MI :D ), Villa Lobos is the only one who didn't have permanent residence, and die, in the United States.
Sarge
Copland... because you don't like his style?
Quote from: AnthonyAthletic on August 14, 2013, 01:57:56 AM
This one is too hard for me...unless its the obvious answer?
David W is the odd one out as he is the only one who worked on the Skynet Project for Cybernet. His system originally became self-aware at 2:14 am Eastern Time on August 29th, 1997.
I've been running ever since.
I'm sending a terminator back in time to terminate your Mahler collection! ;D
Rochberg, the one who never dabbled in "folk" elements of music.
Rochberg is known for composing using both atonal and tonal elements in the same composition. I think that it is an inherently different attitude towards atonal composition than the other composers had. All of those composers are fundamentally known as neoclassicists including Rochberg, but ultimately he is the odd one out.
Quote from: DavidW on August 14, 2013, 03:37:11 AM
Rochberg is known for composing using both atonal and tonal elements in the same composition. I think that it is an inherently different attitude towards atonal composition than the other composers had. All of those composers are fundamentally known as neoclassicists including Rochberg, but ultimately he is the odd one out.
Rochberg caused a storm back in the '60's and 1970's by "going tonal." I suppose he was one of the first "Neo-Romantics," although if you listen to this excerpt from a 1970's Quartet (#4), you will hear a fusion of styles, as if
Alexander Zemlinsky had lived into the 1970's.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Wo_JYHRxyI0
Its Bloch.
All the rest wrote ballets where as Bloch is a make of ballet shoe.
Quote from: jut1972 on August 14, 2013, 08:45:11 AM
Its Bloch.
All the rest wrote ballets where as Bloch is a make of ballet shoe.
Rochberg didn't write any ballets, to my knowledge. And please read the hint I so graciously provided you guys:
It has to do with their styles! By the way, if you really want to know the answer, feel free to PM me. :)
OK, I realize I probably made this a little too difficult and I appreciate your contributions. :) So, I'll give a bigger hint: All but one of these composers underwent (a) drastic stylistic change(s) throughout their composing career.
Quote from: kyjo on August 14, 2013, 09:58:45 AM
All but one of these composers underwent (a) drastic stylistic change(s) throughout their composing career.
Isn't that true of all five?
EDIT: I'll guess Bloch; the different stylistic currents in his work (late-romantic nationalist, neo-baroque, and perhaps others) don't represent distinct stages of his career...
Quote from: PaulSC on August 14, 2013, 10:25:46 AM
Isn't that true of all five?
Not really! ;) Well, all of them underwent some stylistic changes, but think which conposer's stylistic changes were
least drastic than the others.
Quote from: kyjo on August 14, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
Not really! ;) Well, all of them underwent some stylistic changes, but think which conposer's stylistic changes were least drastic than the others.
Well, this argument is kind of... uh.. weak. I mean, if we are only talking about degrees here.
Any folksy stuff in Rochberg? I still think I have the best argument.
Quote from: springrite on August 14, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
Well, this argument is kind of... uh.. weak. I mean, if we are only talking about degrees here.
Any folksy stuff in Rochberg? I still think I have the best argument.
I agree with that, let's just declare you the winner! Why don't you come up with a odd one out?
Quote from: DavidW on August 14, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
I agree with that, let's just declare you the winner! Why don't you come up with a odd one out?
Furtwangler, Salonen, Mahler, Boulez, Walter
Quote from: springrite on August 14, 2013, 11:27:30 AM
Well, this argument is kind of... uh.. weak. I mean, if we are only talking about degrees here.
Any folksy stuff in Rochberg? I still think I have the best argument.
You have every right to criticize my argument. :-[ Maybe I'm not the best person to initiate these kinds of threads? :-\
You have an excellent argument regarding Rochberg that I hadn't thought of, but since you guys are struggling so much, I'll say the answer is not Rochberg! :D C'mon, use those brains of yours!
Quote from: springrite on August 14, 2013, 11:34:56 AM
Furtwangler, Salonen, Mahler, Boulez, Walter
Is it that Boulez has a degree in mathematics which the others do not?
Quote from: DavidW on August 14, 2013, 11:45:48 AM
Is it that Boulez has a degree in mathematics which the others do not?
No, it has to do with music or music-making only. Nothing else.
Are you guys ridiculing me? ??? >:(
Conductors who composed or the other way round.
And to kyjo, V-L it is I guess.
Quote from: springrite on August 14, 2013, 11:34:56 AM
Furtwangler, Salonen, Mahler, Boulez, Walter
Walter is the only one who's not also a composer?
Quote from: Velimir on August 14, 2013, 11:57:04 AM
Walter is the only one who's not also a composer?
Yes, he is. And you are on the right track, kind of...
Oh, apologies to kyjo for jumping the gun here!
Quote from: springrite on August 14, 2013, 11:59:07 AM
Yes, he is. And you are on the right track, kind of...
Oh, apologies to kyjo for jumping the gun here!
Apology accepted. :) Actually, Bruno Walter was a composer, albeit not a very prolific one. His dense, Mahlerian Symphony no. 1 and large-scale Violin Sonata have been recorded. He also composed a Symphony no. 2, among other things.
Anyone else want to take a stab at this before I reveal the (or should I say my ;)) answer and reason?
Quote from: kyjo on August 14, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
Not really! ;) Well, all of them underwent some stylistic changes, but think which conposer's stylistic changes were least drastic than the others.
Fair enough -- but in that case, have I not guessed correctly?
C.P.E. Bach, W.F. Bach, J.C. Bach, J.C.F. Bach, Nicki Minaj
Quote from: Brian on August 14, 2013, 12:38:50 PM
C.P.E. Bach, W.F. Bach, J.C. Bach, J.C.F. Bach, Nicki Minaj
;D ;)
Well, since you guys seem to have given up, the answer is......Villa-Lobos. For two reasons:
1. Stravinsky experimented with late-romanticism, impressionism, barbarism (for lack of a better term), neoclassicism and serialism. Bloch dabbled in late-romanticism, orientalism, impressionism, neo-romanticism, neoclassicism and serialism. Copland had two very contrasted styles: hard-edged serialism and, of course, his much more accessible Americana style. He also composed a few neoclassical works as well. Rochberg initially composed in a serial idiom, but after the death of his teenage son in 1964, his idiom became heartfelt and tonal, a style which could be termed "hard romanticism". But Villa-Lobos never underwent any drastic stylistic changes. His style retained its masterful combination of impressionism, neoclassicism, exoticism, barbarism and folk music throughout his prolific career.
2. Villa-Lobos was the only one of these composers to never experiment with serialism, as John (Mirror Image) pointed out earlier.
I hope this makes sense! Please feel free to debate with my argument. :)
Quote from: kyjo on August 14, 2013, 12:57:49 PM
Well, since you guys seem to have given up, the answer is......Villa-Lobos. For two reasons:
1. Stravinsky experimented with late-romanticism, impressionism, barbarism (for lack of a better term), neoclassicism and serialism. Bloch dabbled in late-romanticism, orientalism, impressionism, neo-romanticism, neoclassicism and serialism. Copland had two very contrasted styles: hard-edged serialism and, of course, his much more accessible Americana style. He also composed a few neoclassical works as well. Rochberg initially composed in a serial idiom, but after the death of his teenage son in 1964, his idiom became heartfelt and tonal, a style which could be termed "hard romanticism". But Villa-Lobos never underwent any drastic stylistic changes. His style retained its masterful combination of impressionism, neoclassicism, exoticism, barbarism and folk music throughout his prolific career.
2. Villa-Lobos was the only one of these composers to never experiment with serialism, as John (Mirror Image) pointed out earlier.
I hope this makes sense! Please feel free to debate with my argument. :)
SO basically, Villa-Lobos was a duck and the rest are all witches! :) (V-L didn't dabble and think Monty Python)
Quote from: kyjo on August 14, 2013, 08:50:47 AM
Rochberg didn't write any ballets, to my knowledge. And please read the hint I so graciously provided you guys: It has to do with their styles! By the way, if you really want to know the answer, feel free to PM me. :)
http://www.classicalarchives.com/work/291816.html
But now I'm thinking Nicki Minaj. in the library. with the candlestick.
Quote from: The new erato on August 14, 2013, 11:51:33 AM
Conductors who composed or the other way round.
And to kyjo, V-L it is I guess.
Say no more.
Quote from: Brian on August 14, 2013, 12:38:50 PM
C.P.E. Bach, W.F. Bach, J.C. Bach, J.C.F. Bach, Nicki Minaj
Could you give us a hint?
Quote from: The new erato on August 14, 2013, 11:51:33 AM
Conductors who composed or the other way round.
Yes, they are/were both composer and conductor. But given that, what makes one different from the rest?
So is it that Walter, like Markevich, gave up composing?
Quote from: springrite on August 14, 2013, 09:57:24 PM
Yes, they are/were both composer and conductor. But given that, what makes one different from the rest?
No GMG member has a recording of Mahler conducting.
Quote from: Opus106 on August 14, 2013, 10:21:46 PM
No GMG member has a recording of Mahler conducting.
Even the worst CDCDCD sufferer can't claim to have one! Ugh!
Now, think not of how we think of them. Think of how each think of themselves... (hint hint)
Dowland, Cage, Bull, Hovhanass, Adams 8)
"John" Hovhaness...
Quote from: North Star on August 15, 2013, 05:00:08 AM
"John" Hovhaness...
That does have a nice ring to it. :)
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on August 15, 2013, 02:37:48 AM
Dowland, Cage, Bull, Hovhanass, Adams 8)
Only one's spelled wrong ;)
Quote from: Brian on August 15, 2013, 05:18:34 AM
Only one's spelled wrong ;)
I noticed after I posted, my iPhone had autofill with "ass" instead of "ess", I guess I had donkeys on my mind.
Quote from: springrite on August 14, 2013, 11:34:56 AM
Furtwangler, Salonen, Mahler, Boulez, Walter
Though all are famous conductors, the first four considers themselves to be a composer first and foremost, and a conductor on the side. Walter, however, considered himself a conductor first and foremost and a composer on the side.
Shostakovich, Schnittke, Delius, Koechlin, Mozart, Villa-Lobos
Answer: The only one NOT used as avatar by John aka Mirror Image -- Mozart!
Quote from: springrite on August 18, 2013, 09:20:54 AM
Shostakovich, Schnittke, Delius, Koechlin, Mozart, Villa-Lobos
Answer: The only one NOT used as avatar by John aka Mirror Image -- Mozart!
:P