Because we need polls
J.S. Bach
Vivaldi
Zelenka
Fr. Couperin
Rameau
A. Scarlatti
D. Scarlatti
Handel
Pergolesi
Monteverdi
(not necessarily in order)
Bach
Vivaldi
Handel
Rameau
Couperin
D. Scarlatti
Telemann
Biber
Frescobaldi
Purcell
Off of the top of my head, might change?
Here are ten that I continue to return to. Some I only have a few discs of, but will continue to buy more.
Handel
Quantz
Fasch
Monteverdi
Spanish baroque, but as posted before, this is a pretty splintered group.
Lully
Telemann
Bach
Ariosti
Vivaldi
Neat thing about this period for me, with only a couple exceptions is that David could trade his list for mine and I would be ok with that. :)
Quote from: Bogey on March 28, 2014, 05:01:56 AM
Neat thing about this period for me, with only a couple exceptions is that David could trade his list for mine and I would be ok with that. :)
+1, there were just so many wonderful composers back then, and more of their music is being discovered all the time.
Meanies.
Bach
then in approx order
Handel
Purcell
Monteverdi
Schutz
Rameau
D Scarlatti
Biber
Couperin
Charpentier
Quote from: North Star on March 28, 2014, 05:10:13 AM
+1, there were just so many wonderful composers back then, and more of their music is being discovered all the time.
+1
Quote from: Ken B on March 28, 2014, 05:15:25 AM
Meanies.
Charpentier,
Schütz &
Purcell might well be on my list if it had room for 13 names. :)
Quote from: North Star on March 28, 2014, 05:20:08 AM
Charpentier, Schütz & Purcell might well be on my list if it had room for 13 names. :)
There is an embarrassment of riches. But Schutz and Purcell are in the top half of mine I think. Purcell for sure, might oust Handel from second spot, not sure.
Based on recordings owned, rather than a qualitative judgement, though I suspect the latter wouldn't change the list.
Bach
Handel
Telemann
Vivaldi
Purcell
Couperin
Monteverdi
Schütz
Buxtehude
Charpentier
J.S.Bach
Handel
Corelli
Monteverdi
Marais
Vivaldi
Pachelbel
Pergolesi
Rameau
Nicola Matteis
Sarge
Quote from: Bogey on March 28, 2014, 05:01:56 AM
Neat thing about this period for me, with only a couple exceptions is that David could trade his list for mine and I would be ok with that. :)
Ditto. 8)
Out of order
J.S. Bach
S.L. Weiss
Zelenka
D. Scarlatti
Rameau
F. Couperin
Vivaldi
Biber
Lully
Anonymous
Quote from: Brian on March 28, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
Anonymous
You can't think of 10 favourites from the era,
Brian - and it's not because you can't choose between some names? Please tell me you've heard music of Baroque composers not on your list! :o :P
1st Place:
Rameau
Tied for 2nd place 8)
Biber
Monteverdi
Telemann
Vivaldi
J.S. Bach
Corelli
Purcell
Geminiani
The Forqueray Family
In order:
1. J.S. Bach
2. Handel
3. Froberger
4. Telemann
5. L. Couperin
6. Zelenka
7. F. Couperin
8. Rameau
9. Scheidemann
10. Frescobaldi
In the order I thought of them: Bach, Rameau, Froberger, Zelenka, Scarlatti, Handel, Charpentier, Frescobaldi, Marais, Biber, Marini. Preference order would be 1) Bach, 2) Handel, 3) Marais, 4-10) the rest.
The Couperins are waiting in the wings; I considered Monteverdi and Sweelinck Renaissance composers and therefore disqualified them.
I shamefully do not know any Buxtehude.
J.S. Bach
Vivaldi
Biber
Handel
Zelenka
Corelli
D. Scarlatti
Couperin (small sample size)
Schütz
Monteverdi
Need to listen to more Marais, Buxtehude, and Rameau.
I just want make sure, even though there are composers who wrote better music, that Caccini gets a mention here.
I usually do not participate in polls, but this provides a challenge.. :D
Of course 10 is a somewhat too low a number to mention all the top Baroque composers. I've attempted to provide a fair distribution over the various "schools" or geographic traditions.
The pioneers that paved the way from Renaissance to Baroque:
1. Monteverdi
2. Sweelinck
3. Frescobaldi
4. Schutz
Germanic tradition:
1. J.S. Bach
2. Froberger
3. Biber
4. Zelenka
5. Buxtehude
The French tradition:
1. L. Couperin
2. Charpentier
3. Marais
4. F. Couperin
5. Rameau
The Italians:
1. Vivaldi
2. A. Scarlatti
3. D. Scarlatti
4. Bononcini
5. Pergolesi
In his own mix of German, Italian and English traditions:
Handel
Oops, is that more than 10? :o Sorry, guys... ;D
Quote from: Que on March 29, 2014, 12:49:21 AM
I usually do not participate in polls, but this provides a challenge.. :D
Of course 10 is a somewhat too low a number to mention all the top Baroque composers. I've attempted to provide a fair distribution over the various "schools" or geographic traditions.
The pioneers that paved the way from Renaissance to Baroque:
Germanic tradition:
The French tradition:
The Italians:
In his own mix of German, Italian and English traditions:
Handel
Oops, is that more than 10? :o Sorry, guys... ;D
*clicks
Report to moderator* 0:)
You meant to write of course that you usually don't participate, and when you do, you cheat. :P
But seriously, you're of course absolutely right. Heck, there could be a separate Top 10 thread for each of the categories in your post,
Que.
I of course included 2 from each (3 from Italians), and
Handel on my list 8)
Quote from: Que on March 29, 2014, 12:49:21 AM
I've attempted to provide a fair distribution over the various "schools" or geographic traditions.
Go for it, I would appreciate reading it.
Quote from: DavidW on March 29, 2014, 09:32:55 AM
Go for it, I would appreciate reading it.
Que did already post 20 names on that list, so what exactly are you asking for? I'm sure we'd all like to read more from him on the subject matter. :)
Quote from: Que on March 29, 2014, 12:49:21 AM
Of course 10 is a somewhat too low a number to mention all the top Baroque composers. I've attempted to provide a fair distribution over the various "schools" or geographic traditions.
Nice! I would bet your education was at some point under French influence because is very characteristic of French thought to think Art History in terms of "schools".
Stupid poll.
Dumb question.
:P
I don't want to think about it.
I'm insufficiently skilled to think about such questions.
My thoughtless Top 10
(with the thought that Monteverdi, Sweelinck, Frescobaldi, Schütz et al are more early Baroque than late Renaissance composers .... John the Baptist is already New Testament, too):
1 J.S. Bach
2 G.F. Händel
3 H. Purcell
4 F. Couperin
5 D. Buxtehude
6 J.P. Sweelinck
7 A. Vivaldi
8 C. Graupner
9 G. Böhm
10 J.P. Rameau
Quote from: North Star on March 29, 2014, 09:40:22 AM
Que did already post 20 names on that list, so what exactly are you asking for? I'm sure we'd all like to read more from him on the subject matter. :)
Oh whoops I misread that, I thought he said that he could even further differentiate and expand on his lists. My bad.
These lists are hard!!
In random order:
JS Bach
Vivaldi
Handel
Marais
Rameau
Purcell
Couperin
Telemann
Monteverdi (or is that too transitional?)
Pergolesi
Quote from: Moonfish on March 29, 2014, 11:42:17 AM
These lists are hard!!
In random order:
JS Bach
Vivaldi
Handel
Marais
Rameau
Purcell
Couperin
Telemann
Monteverdi (or is that too transitional?)
Pergolesi
Some have questioned both Monte and verdi. (So good he gets named twice) I include the dynamic duo as being the reigning genius when and where the baroque was invented. True, a lot of his best music, madrigals, is more of a renaissance thing. But the Vespers is the first masterpiece of the baroque. If we were listing 12 tone composers would we omit Schoenberg? So I counted and named Monteverdi.
Quote from: North Star on March 28, 2014, 05:10:13 AM
+1, there were just so many wonderful composers back then, and more of their music is being discovered all the time.
+1
So true! Looking over the "lists" in this thread there seems to be a strong consensus compared to many of the other favorite composers lists here in GMG. I wonder if there is more of a bias in the baroque repertoire related to how we encounter this period? I suspect (considering the trend in the recordings of more unusual repertoire) that this specific list may change a bit over the next ten years. Do you think we are biased in terms of how we favor certain Baroque composers due to how these works were preserved/copied and performed over the last few centuries?
Quote from: Ken B on March 29, 2014, 12:18:53 PM
Some have questioned both Monte and verdi. (So good he gets named twice) I include the dynamic duo as being the reigning genius when and where the baroque was invented. True, a lot of his best music, madrigals, is more of a renaissance thing. But the Vespers is the first masterpiece of the baroque. If we were listing 12 tone composers would we omit Schoenberg? So I counted and named Monteverdi.
But isn't it precisely the madrigals (5th book) where the
seconda prattica emerges in his music?
I agree, transitional composers must be included if they clearly wrote in the style in question.
Quote from: North Star on March 29, 2014, 12:34:28 PM
But isn't it precisely the madrigals (5th book) where the seconda prattica emerges in his music?
I agree, transitional composers must be included if they clearly wrote in the style in question.
To my ears yes. The 5th book is in a new style compared to the 4th. I actually prefer the older. But once we get to the last books this is baroque music. Whereas all the Marenzio I have heard is olden style for instance.
An era with limited presence in my collection, but a slowly growing interest none the less.
The firmly established ones :
1. D. Scarlatti (Scott Ross)
2. Rameau (Scott Ross / Mercelle Meyer for keyboard works and Bruggen or Rousset with Indes Galantes)
3. Pergolesi (Stabat Mater Alessandrini)
4. Vivaldi (Hogwood boxset)
The pleasing irregular ones :
5. Galuppi (sonatas)
6. Fux (Requiem)
7. Schutz (Musikalisches Exequien, Psalmen Davids)
8. Monteverdi (Vespers)
then the 2 big names where Hogwood is gradually helping on orchestral works :
9. Bach
10. Handel
****
The tried-and-not-fully-converted : Lully, Albinoni, Biber, the Couperins, Boccherini, Clementi, Telemann.
The main current unknowns : Marais, Purcell, Buxtehude, Corelli, Frescobaldi, Charpentier
Quote from: Papy Oli on March 29, 2014, 02:15:02 PM
An era with limited presence in my collection, but a slowly growing interest none the less.
then the 2 big names where Hogwood is gradually helping on orchestral works :
9. Bach
10. Handel
****
The tried-and-not-fully-converted : Lully, Albinoni, Biber, the Couperins, Boccherini, Clementi, Telemann.
Which works from
Bach have you heard,
Oli? Cantatas, Mass in B minor, Mattheus Passion, organ works, harpsichord works?
Boccherini is Classical, though :)
Quote from: North Star on March 29, 2014, 02:25:14 PM
Boccherini is Classical, though :)
oops, I'd better change his colour in my database :blank:
Quote from: North Star on March 29, 2014, 02:25:14 PM
Which works from Bach have you heard, Oli? Cantatas, Mass in B minor, Mattheus Passion, organ works, harpsichord works?
The only Bach works I regularly enjoy are the Goldbergs (Gould, Leonhardt), the Cello Suites (Starker) and some Partitas by Gould again. I slowly get into the Brandeburg Concertos with Hogwood too. I did buy the Bach Brilliant edition very early on and this is probably my only purchase regret. I can't get into his Passions, Masses, Cantatas and organ works at all. What only stood out of the box were the Motets CD and his reworking of the Pergolesi Stabat Mater (Tilge, Höchster, meine Sünden).
I have listened to WTC and AoF before (Sokolov, Leonhardt, Richter) and violin sonatas too (Faust) but honestly, it is more a respectful appreciation than an enjoyment....this sums up my overall relation with Bach's music...
Quote from: Papy Oli on March 29, 2014, 02:48:03 PM
The only Bach works I regularly enjoy are the Goldbergs (Gould, Leonhardt), the Cello Suites (Starker) and some Partitas by Gould again. I slowly get into the Brandeburg Concertos with Hogwood too. I did buy the Bach Brilliant edition very early on and this is probably my only purchase regret. I can't get into his Passions, Masses, Cantatas and organ works at all. What only stood out of the box were the Motets CD and his reworking of the Pergolesi Stabat Mater (Tilge, Höchster, meine Sünden).
I have listened to WTC and AoF before (Sokolov, Leonhardt, Richter) and violin sonatas too (Faust) but honestly, it is more a respectful appreciation than an enjoyment....this sums up my overall relation with Bach's music...
Hmm. Do you like other composers' organ music? It usually takes some time to warm to organ, and I don't know how the performances are in the BC set.
Pretty much the same applies to the choral music too - there are better recordings out there.
Quote from: North Star on March 29, 2014, 03:02:28 PM
Hmm. Do you like other composers' organ music? It usually takes some time to warm to organ, and I don't know how the performances are in the BC set.
Pretty much the same applies to the choral music too - there are better recordings out there.
off hand, I don't have any other solo organ music, no, only as part of sacred choral works. Not a sound I am too keen on at the moment, but I don't get too hung up on this anyway. It took a long while before I clicked on the harpsichord and the HIP sound in general (I liked some of it before but just without knowing it was !!). It is ever evolving anyway so maybe I'll come round to it eventually.
Maybe down line, I'll re-assess the cantatas and other choral works with specific single recordings, when I am ready :)
Quote from: Papy Oli on March 29, 2014, 03:18:36 PM
off hand, I don't have any other solo organ music, no, only as part of sacred choral works. Not a sound I am too keen on at the moment, but I don't get too hung up on this anyway. It took a long while before I clicked on the harpsichord and the HIP sound in general (I liked some of it before but just without knowing it was !!). It is ever evolving anyway so maybe I'll come round to it eventually.
Maybe down line, I'll re-assess the cantatas and other choral works with specific single recordings, when I am ready :)
Of course not all of the cantatas are choral. :)
https://www.youtube.com/v/I9BbWneSWQE
Quote from: Marc on March 29, 2014, 10:46:41 AM
Stupid poll.
Dumb question.
:P
I don't want to think about it.
I'm insufficiently skilled to think about such questions.
Me neither, but fortunately the naming game has some good side effects... :)
Quote
(with the thought that Monteverdi, Sweelinck, Frescobaldi, Schütz et al are more early Baroque than late Renaissance composers .... John the Baptist is already New Testament, too):
Absolutely. :)
Quote8 C. Graupner
I really should have included Graupner, though primarily on account of the strenght of his wonderful harpsichord music. But no opportunty should be wasted to drive home its qualities... 8)
Quote from: North Star on March 29, 2014, 02:25:14 PM
Boccherini is Classical, though :)
And so is Clementi. :)
Q
Quote from: Que on March 30, 2014, 12:17:51 AM
Me neither, but fortunately the naming game has some good side effects... :)
[....]
Yeah, and it's just me blabbering around both having fun in making these lists as well as mocking them.
I mentioned Graupner btw because he was my main 'Surprise' in the last, say, 10 to 12 years.
In general, I experience the best 'click' with the German school (if there really is one) and I felt a bit sorry to leave out names like Schütz, Froberger, Bruhns and Telemann, although probably I should pay more listening attention to representatives of other 'schools', too, like Frescobaldi, Corelly, Lully and Marais.
And all those other names not mentioned.
Anyway, this
period of 1600-1750 is without question topping my top 10.
Quote from: Ken B on March 29, 2014, 01:09:03 PM
To my ears yes. The 5th book is in a new style compared to the 4th. I actually prefer the older. But once we get to the last books this is baroque music. Whereas all the Marenzio I have heard is olden style for instance.
To my ears as well. And his operas are definitely baroque.
I think the real challenge would be to name your 10th through 20th favorite baroque composers