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Title: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 12, 2015, 12:20:13 PM
Note that I wrote 'favourite' and not greatest, so as to avoid arguments. I have just included the ones that give me the most pleasure and which I listen to most often:

Walton: Sinfonia Concertante

Lennox Berkeley: Concerto for Two a Pianos

Cyril Scott: PC No. 1

Rawsthorne: PC No. 2

Vaughan Williams: Concerto for Two Pianos

Bliss: Piano Concerto

Hanson: Piano Concerto

Delius:Piano Concerto

Bridge: Phantasm

Prokofiev: PC No. 2
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Ken B on March 12, 2015, 02:46:48 PM
Aside from some obvious choices, the two by Rawsthorn, masterpieces both.

And I like this disc a lot.
[asin]B0007ACVHS[/asin]
Not saying they make my top 10, but they are little known and deserve better. Lou Harrison ditto.

As for the normal choices. Hard to top Stravinsky, Bartok 2, Ravel, Shosty both.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 12, 2015, 05:37:23 PM
These were my choices on the other thread Jeffrey created:

Quote from: Mirror Image on October 12, 2013, 06:11:36 PM

Ravel: Piano Concerto for left-hand
Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 2
Britten: Diversions
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2
Shostakovich: Piano Concerto No. 2
Martinu: Piano Concerto No. 5
Schnittke: Concerto for Piano and Strings
Szymanowski: Symphony No. 4 'Symphonie Concertante' (a PC in all but a name)
Tippett: Piano Concerto
Villa-Lobos: Choros No. 11
Sculthorpe: Piano Concerto

But, now, I have some new additions and some subtractions:

Delius: Piano Concerto
Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 3
RVW: Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra
Ravel: Piano Concerto for left-hand
Poulenc: Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2
Sculthorpe: Piano Concerto
Britten: Diversions
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 3
Tippett: Piano Concerto
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: amw on March 12, 2015, 07:03:25 PM
Since no one else is likely to mention them:
Helmut Lachenmann's Ausklang
James Dillon's Andromeda
John Cage's Concert for Piano and Orchestra & even more so Concerto for prepared piano and chamber orchestra
Luciano Berio's Concerto for two pianos and orchestra
Nikos Skalkottas's Piano Concerto No. 3
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 12, 2015, 07:11:45 PM
PCs 2 thru 5 of Prokofiev.

PCs 1 and 2 of Bartok.

Britten's two (including Diversions for left hand).

Ravel's two.

Shostakovich's first.

(Okay, eleven)


Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: EigenUser on March 13, 2015, 12:07:38 AM
In approximate order (subject to change without notice):
1. Bartok 2
2. Bartok 1
3. Ligeti
4. Ravel LH
5. Gershwin
6. Ohana
7. Ravel G major
8. Bartok 3
9. Messiaen Oiseaux Exotiques
10. Feldman

The first five are pretty much set (with the first three being more or less tied).

Quote from: Dancing Divertimentian on March 12, 2015, 07:11:45 PM
PCs 1 and 2 of Bartok.
Great! Glad to see 1 on someone else's list, too! A thrilling concerto!
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Jo498 on March 13, 2015, 12:22:35 AM
Bartok 2
Ravel Left Hand
Prokofieff 2
Bartok 3
Bartok 1
Rachmaninoff: Paganini Rhapsody
Shostakovich with piano and trumpet
Ravel G major
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: springrite on March 13, 2015, 12:30:52 AM
Ravel: Piano Concerto for left-hand
Ravel: In G
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 1 and 3
Bridge: Fantasm
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 2 & 3
Barber: PC
Bartok: 1
Carter: PC
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 13, 2015, 06:52:15 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on March 13, 2015, 12:07:38 AM
In approximate order (subject to change without notice):
1. Bartok 2
2. Bartok 1
3. Ligeti
4. Ravel LH
5. Gershwin
6. Ohana
7. Ravel G major
8. Bartok 3
9. Messiaen Oiseaux Exotiques
10. Feldman

I'd like to see a list that doesn't duplicate composers from you, Nate. In other words, one concerto per composer. :)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: chadfeldheimer on March 13, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
Quote from: amw on March 12, 2015, 07:03:25 PM
Since no one else is likely to mention them:
Helmut Lachenmann's Ausklang
James Dillon's Andromeda
John Cage's Concert for Piano and Orchestra & even more so Concerto for prepared piano and chamber orchestra
Luciano Berio's Concerto for two pianos and orchestra
Nikos Skalkottas's Piano Concerto No. 3
Good idea to mention some PCs from the second half of the 20th century. I'd like to add:
Ligeti - Piano Concerto
Spahlinger - Intermezzo for Piaon and Orchestra
Carter - Double Concerto for Harpsichord and Piano with two Chamber Orchestras
B.A. Zimmermann - Dialoge for two Pianos and Orchestra
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: jochanaan on March 13, 2015, 08:49:32 AM
It's been a while since I've listened extensively to piano concertos of the most recent century, so I can't necessarily do 10, but some of my favorites include:

Bartok #1.  Yes, all three of his piano concertos are great; am I unique in thinking #1 the greatest of them all? :)
Britten.  Very fun, and not at all "depressing" as his music has been accused (with some justification in the case of the Violin Concerto).
Howard Hanson, Fantasy Variations on a Theme of Youth.  Not perhaps a great work but an extraordinarily lovely one.
Prokofieff #3.  That one I've played in orchestra.  Lots of fun!
Rachmaninoff Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini.  We tend to forget that this was actually written in 1934!  It was such an instant classic that it seems to have been around forever.
Shostakovich #1.  Amazing piece!
Robert Suderburg, Concerto "within the mirror of time".  This one made a bit of a splash in the 1970s but seems to have sunk without trace, yet it's a big, neo-Romantic piece that should be raised up again.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Ken B on March 13, 2015, 09:09:54 AM
Quote from: jochanaan on March 13, 2015, 08:49:32 AM

Robert Suderburg, Concerto "within the mirror of time".  This one made a bit of a splash in the 1970s but seems to have sunk without trace, yet it's a big, neo-Romantic piece that should be raised up again.

I cannot find this on Spotify or Youtube.   :'(
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: EigenUser on March 13, 2015, 12:43:37 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 13, 2015, 06:52:15 AM
I'd like to see a list that doesn't duplicate composers from you, Nate. In other words, one concerto per composer. :)
If I must, I'll do away with Bartok 3 and replace it with Schoenberg (!). That's as far as I'm willing to go. 0:)

I like the Tippett, Rach, and Delius, too, but they wouldn't make my top list. I don't know them well enough, either.

Bartok 2 and 1 are almost equal (depending on the day).
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Dancing Divertimentian on March 13, 2015, 07:19:05 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on March 13, 2015, 12:07:38 AM
Great! Glad to see [Bartok's] 1 on someone else's list, too! A thrilling concerto!

Yes, it's long been a fave.

Anyone have any thoughts on Lutoslawski's PC? I had forgotten about it until tonight. Not for lack of quality, though. I might just need to give it a bump.


Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: springrite on March 13, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
The Lutosloawski is certainly a wonderful concerto and could easily be on my list as well.

I am surprised that I am the only one to have mentioned Barber.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Jo498 on March 14, 2015, 12:03:38 AM
It took me a little longer to appreciate Bartok's first piano concerto but nowadays whichever of the three I listen to is my favorite. Except for Ravel's left hand concerto (which I prefer to the G major by a huge margin) and the Prokofieff 2 (which I prefer similarly strongly to the rest of his entertaining as they may be) they are my favorite 20th century concertos and among my favorite Bartok pieces as well. I should definitely listen (not even sure whether I have them) to Lutoslawski's and Ligeti's. I probably have heard Britten's as well (or at least the left hand piece) but do not really remember much about it.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: AdamFromWashington on March 14, 2015, 01:34:35 AM
Rachmaninoff's 2

Prokofiev's 2nd -- especially with Gutierrez and Järvi.

Bartók's 2nd or 1st... Never warmed to the 3rd for some reason.

Janáček's Capriccio --  a delightful piece that doesn't get enough attention.

Stravinsky's Capriccio -- ditto.

Shostakovich's 2nd 

Schnittke's twenty minute well of despair and pianistic fun.

Ravel's G Major Concerto -- My favorite performance is by Samson François and André Cluytens. I never really enjoyed the piece until I heard that recording.

Poulenc's Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra 

And maybe Schoenberg's or Ligeti's, though I haven't listened to them recently enough to comfortably call them "favorites." I'll remedy that tomorrow, I think.

I also remember enjoying works by Geirr Tveitt and Lou Harrison.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: EigenUser on March 14, 2015, 02:31:13 AM
Quote from: Adam of the North(west) on March 14, 2015, 01:34:35 AM
Bartók's 2nd or 1st... Never warmed to the 3rd for some reason.
It took me awhile to warm to the 3rd as well. I still strongly prefer the first two.

I've seen the 2nd performed twice (in less than a year!). Once with Bronfman/Philadelphia and another time with Barto/NSO. Both were great performances, for the most part. When I saw it in Philly I was so distracted by the poor brass playing (I think that they were just having a bad night in the 1st movement -- wrong entrances, late entrances, no entrances) that I don't really remember particulars of Bronfman's playing (other than it being outstanding). I couldn't find a recording of his 2nd PC on YT, either (I tried a few days ago). Barto was awesome with it, though! When he walked onstage my friend was like "woah, is he a linebacker or something?" Turns out he's also a bodybuilder, which was amusing. Fit the piece perfectly.

Quote from: Jo498 on March 14, 2015, 12:03:38 AM
It took me a little longer to appreciate Bartok's first piano concerto but nowadays whichever of the three I listen to is my favorite. Except for Ravel's left hand concerto (which I prefer to the G major by a huge margin) and the Prokofieff 2 (which I prefer similarly strongly to the rest of his entertaining as they may be) they are my favorite 20th century concertos and among my favorite Bartok pieces as well. I should definitely listen (not even sure whether I have them) to Lutoslawski's and Ligeti's. I probably have heard Britten's as well (or at least the left hand piece) but do not really remember much about it.
I like Luto's PC as well. I heard it a few times last year, but I should hear it again sometime.

And do listen to the Ligeti PC. It is great fun. Prepare to be bewildered. It's like an M.C. Escher painting in musical reincarnation.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: pjme on March 14, 2015, 02:45:43 AM
Most of the ( great, popular) classics have been mentioned: Ravel, Bartok, Prokofiev ... Szymanowski (Symphonia), Britten, Lutoslawski etc.

I like to add:

Martinu nr 4 "Incantation" - wonderfully mysterious.
Peter Mennin: virtuoso, muscular, gripping... with a deeply felt, intimate slow movement.
André Jolivet: caused a scandal in 1951. I like the exuberance, the percussion-laden drive, the explosive character.
Paul Hindemith : concerto 1945 - Markus Groh gives an excellent performance on YT: https://youtu.be/SEPX8boLAXg
the 'Tre fontane" variations are exhilarating!
Frank Martin: two concerti + a Ballade and a wonderful Danse de la mort for two piano's and orchestra.

For those who like the roaring twenties/thirties:

Jaroslav Jezek: https://youtu.be/SEPX8boLAXg

Pavel Borkovec: https://youtu.be/fg02XTvVg4w

Not a concerto: Ballade by Charles Koechlin - an early work , very darkly-romantic!!
https://youtu.be/vw5_KvmQ1HE


P.


Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2015, 05:26:54 AM
Quote from: Ken B on March 12, 2015, 02:46:48 PM
Aside from some obvious choices, the two by Rawsthorn, masterpieces both.

And I like this disc a lot.
[asin]B0007ACVHS[/asin]
Not saying they make my top 10, but they are little known and deserve better. Lou Harrison ditto.

As for the normal choices. Hard to top Stravinsky, Bartok 2, Ravel, Shosty both.

Thanks for this. I agree about the Rawsthorne and must track down the Howard Ferguson.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2015, 05:29:30 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 12, 2015, 05:37:23 PM
These were my choices on the other thread Jeffrey created:

But, now, I have some new additions and some subtractions:

Delius: Piano Concerto
Bartok: Piano Concerto No. 3
RVW: Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra
Ravel: Piano Concerto for left-hand
Poulenc: Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 2
Sculthorpe: Piano Concerto
Britten: Diversions
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 3
Tippett: Piano Concerto

Thanks John. As I sometimes by a CD without realising that I already have it I am now into 'identical thread' mode  ::). I should have included the Bartok No. 3 which is a wonderful work as is the Ravel on your list and the Sculthorpe.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2015, 05:35:06 AM
Thanks for all the interesting replies and apologies for duplicating my own thread  ::).

Must be adventurous and investigate the Ligeti and some of those on amw's list. Also I agree about Martinu No. 4 'Incantations' and could have included Rachmaninov PC No. 4 which I like v much.

Should have included this epic score:
[asin]B00009V906[/asin]
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Sergeant Rock on March 14, 2015, 06:04:09 AM
Reger Piano Concerto F minor

Bach/Busoni Piano Concerto D  minor after BWV 1052

Lloyd Piano Concerto #4

Poulenc Piano Concerto

Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto #2 C minor

Prokofiev Piano Concerto #2 G minor

Marx Romantisches Klavierkonzert (Romantic Piano Concerto)

Korngold Piano Concerto C sharp for the left hand

Ravel Piano Concerto G major

Schoenberg Piano Concerto

Englund Piano Concerto #1
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: pjme on March 14, 2015, 06:05:09 AM
(http://cdn.discogs.com/ZB3umbAtE5OdC4OuLcbD6dp5vb4=/fit-in/208x214/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(96)/discogs-images/R-3994490-1351710599-2699.jpeg.jpg)

Somewhere this LP is hidden in the cellar...

But how about Stravinsky's Concerto for piano + windorchestra? That's a work I regularly listen to.

P.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 14, 2015, 06:34:51 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 14, 2015, 05:29:30 AMThanks John. As I sometimes by a CD without realising that I already have it I am now into 'identical thread' mode  ::). I should have included the Bartok No. 3 which is a wonderful work as is the Ravel on your list and the Sculthorpe.

No problem, Jeffrey. I like making lists like this, so if you feel the need to create another thread say six months later, I'm game. 8)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Christo on March 14, 2015, 06:48:33 AM
Quote from: springrite on March 13, 2015, 07:24:36 PMI am surprised that I am the only one to have mentioned Barber.

Barber  ;D
Bartók 3
Edit: Oops, forgot Stanley Bate 2, with one of those fragile, deeply moving (second movement) andantes (like those by Ravel, or Barber)
Berkeley (Lennox) Concerto for Two Pianos
Englund 1
Falla Noches en los jardines de España
Gershwin
Orthel Symphony No. 4 for piano and orchestra
Rachmaninov 2
Ravel G major
Rawsthorne 2
Saygun 1
And RVW? well ... [hesitating]  :-[
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Christo on March 14, 2015, 07:27:27 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 12, 2015, 12:20:13 PMNote that I wrote 'favourite' and not greatest, so as to avoid arguments. I have just included the ones that give me the most pleasure and which I listen to most often:

I would expect Respighi's Concerto in modo misolidio too 8)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 14, 2015, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: Christo on March 14, 2015, 06:48:33 AMFalla: Noches en los jardines de España

Thanks for mentioning this masterpiece, Johan. I was going to include it myself, but, again, the limitation of only 10 choices put a damper on things a bit. :)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: springrite on March 14, 2015, 07:38:58 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 14, 2015, 07:32:08 AM
Thanks for mentioning this masterpiece, Johan. I was going to include it myself, but, again, the limitation of only 10 choices put a damper on things a bit. :)

Yes, that too. But I still consider you to be a traitor for not mentioning the Barber.  ;)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Christo on March 14, 2015, 07:40:54 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 14, 2015, 07:32:08 AMThanks for mentioning this masterpiece, Johan. I was going to include it myself, but, again, the limitation of only 10 choices put a damper on things a bit. :)

Fully agreed, John.  ;D During my first travels through Europe, early 1980s, I trod through the El Generalife Gardens in Granada (Southern Spain) with this music in my head. Unforgettable experience.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 14, 2015, 07:41:25 AM
Some choices I like here, as well as some I wouldn't touch with a 11-foot pole. My favorites would include most of Bartok, Ravel, Carter, Ligeti, and Prokofiev, but one not mentioned thus far that I'd have to add is the Berg Chamber Concerto, since it surely uses a piano. I can definitely live without the Barber, though if a harpsichord can be sneaked in, I'll vote for the Falla.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 14, 2015, 08:00:29 AM
Bartok 1
Martinu 4
Prokofiev 2, 3
Carter
Lutoslawski
Barber
Englund 1
Ligeti
Gershwin

I see I'm the third person to mention the Englund. (I guess a lot of people bought that Naxos CD.)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 14, 2015, 08:13:11 AM
Quote from: Christo on March 14, 2015, 07:40:54 AM
Fully agreed, John.  ;D During my first travels through Europe, early 1980s, I trod through the El Generalife Gardens in Granada (Southern Spain) with this music in my head. Unforgettable experience.

I hope you saw the Alhambra also.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on March 14, 2015, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: James on March 14, 2015, 08:25:23 AM
I was going to mention it .. but didn't because it's not a piano concerto in the classical sense.

The piano writing is certainly virtuosic enough. Your statement would apply better to the Webern Concerto for Nine Instruments, which is not virtuosic at all, but the piano seems to be first among equals and is typically used in isolation to the strings and winds.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Christo on March 14, 2015, 08:39:24 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on March 14, 2015, 08:13:11 AMI hope you saw the Alhambra also.
I wasn't eyeless in Gaza.  ;D They are all part of the same complex, BTW.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2015, 08:42:47 AM
Quote from: Christo on March 14, 2015, 07:27:27 AM
I would expect Respighi's Concerto in modo misolidio too 8)

How could I have forgotten that one!  ???

Also, how could I have not included John Foulds's 'Dynamic Triptych' a marvellously inspiriting work. You also reminded me of the fine Stanley Bate No. 2. The Suderburg looks interesting.

Oh, and I should have included the Falla: 'Nights in the Garden of Spain' which is a beautifully atmospheric work. Many VW admirers don't think that much of the Piano Concerto, but to me it has a craggy appeal, especially in the Vronsky/Babin/Boult version.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2015, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 14, 2015, 06:04:09 AM
Reger Piano Concerto F minor

Bach/Busoni Piano Concerto D  minor after BWV 1052

Lloyd Piano Concerto #4

Poulenc Piano Concerto

Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto #2 C minor

Prokofiev Piano Concerto #2 G minor

Marx Romantisches Klavierkonzert (Romantic Piano Concerto)

Korngold Piano Concerto C sharp for the left hand

Ravel Piano Concerto G major

Schoenberg Piano Concerto

Englund Piano Concerto #1

The Busoni and Englund are excellent and I love the opening of the Busoni, especially in the John Ogden version. I would have chosen George Lloyd's 'Scapegoat' Piano Concerto or the epic No. 3 which is rather in the spirit of Khachaturian.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: North Star on March 14, 2015, 09:41:49 AM
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 14, 2015, 08:00:29 AM
I see I'm the third person to mention the Englund. (I guess a lot of people bought that Naxos CD.)
Or perhaps the Ondine CD. Damn, the samples sound tempting.  :)
[asin]B0000AINFV[/asin]
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: pjme on March 14, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
(http://cdn.naxos.com/SharedFiles/images/cds/others/8.553758.gif)

Indeed! A great concerto and an excellent disc in general.

P.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2015, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: pjme on March 14, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
(http://cdn.naxos.com/SharedFiles/images/cds/others/8.553758.gif)

Indeed! A great concerto and an excellent disc in general.

P.

+1
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Archaic Torso of Apollo on March 14, 2015, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: pjme on March 14, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
(http://cdn.naxos.com/SharedFiles/images/cds/others/8.553758.gif)

Indeed! A great concerto and an excellent disc in general.

P.

I also dig that weird psychedelic portrait of the composer, with the exploding hair. More album covers should look like that.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: DaveF on March 14, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on March 13, 2015, 12:07:38 AM
9. Messiaen Oiseaux Exotiques

Aha - what a piece!  A few years ago I put together a compilation on a couple of CDs of pieces composed in 1955 for a friend whose year of birth that was - I don't know if it was a particularly good year or whether they were all like that then, but it included the Canticum sacrum, Le marteau sans maître, Barraqué's Séquence, Carter's Variations for orchestra - and Oiseaux Exotiques, which I eventually decided was the best of the lot.  Do you know the Loriod/Rickenbacher recording?  But is it a piano concerto...?

For what it's worth, my own rather uninteresting list - but only one per composer, and all works actually called "Concerto".  I shall also be juggling a selection of fresh fruit with my toes while typing:

Bartok 1 (fave piano concerto from any century)
Ravel left-hand
Prokofiev 4
Berg Chamber
Stravinsky (the concerto, although Movements is perhaps my favourite)
Schnittke piano & strings
Shostakovich 1
Britten
Tippett
No obvious no.10 - Schoenberg?
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: EigenUser on March 14, 2015, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: DaveF on March 14, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
Aha - what a piece!  A few years ago I put together a compilation on a couple of CDs of pieces composed in 1955 for a friend whose year of birth that was - I don't know if it was a particularly good year or whether they were all like that then, but it included the Canticum sacrum, Le marteau sans maître, Barraqué's Séquence, Carter's Variations for orchestra - and Oiseaux Exotiques, which I eventually decided was the best of the lot.  Do you know the Loriod/Rickenbacher recording?  But is it a piano concerto...?

I don't think I've heard that recording. I assume Loriod made a few recordings of it. I'll see if I can find it on YT or Spotify. I actually saw it performed live this past October in NYC by a group at Juilliard. It is LOUD! I never realized how loud it is (for the relatively small ensemble it calls for) until I saw it in person. I tend to think of it as a micro-piano-concerto, although it is clearly arguable.

I'm also happily surprised to see all of the love for Bartok 1. ;D

EDIT: Failed at quoting and replied in the quote box.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 14, 2015, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: springrite on March 14, 2015, 07:38:58 AM
Yes, that too. But I still consider you to be a traitor for not mentioning the Barber.  ;)

:P
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: amw on March 14, 2015, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: DaveF on March 14, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
Stravinsky (the concerto, although Movements is perhaps my favourite)
Movements is so good. Sogood. It's pretty much the best thing. Stravinsky was offered a sainthood when the pope heard it, but had to decline for religious reasons. True story.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 14, 2015, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: Christo on March 14, 2015, 07:40:54 AM
Fully agreed, John.  ;D During my first travels through Europe, early 1980s, I trod through the El Generalife Gardens in Granada (Southern Spain) with this music in my head. Unforgettable experience.

Yes, that must have been some more experience. You're very fortunate to have walked in these gardens.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 14, 2015, 11:25:27 PM
Quote from: DaveF on March 14, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
Aha - what a piece!  A few years ago I put together a compilation on a couple of CDs of pieces composed in 1955 for a friend whose year of birth that was - I don't know if it was a particularly good year or whether they were all like that then, but it included the Canticum sacrum, Le marteau sans maître, Barraqué's Séquence, Carter's Variations for orchestra - and Oiseaux Exotiques, which I eventually decided was the best of the lot.  Do you know the Loriod/Rickenbacher recording?  But is it a piano concerto...?

For what it's worth, my own rather uninteresting list - but only one per composer, and all works actually called "Concerto".  I shall also be juggling a selection of fresh fruit with my toes while typing:

Bartok 1 (fave piano concerto from any century)
Ravel left-hand
Prokofiev 4
Berg Chamber
Stravinsky (the concerto, although Movements is perhaps my favourite)
Schnittke piano & strings
Shostakovich 1
Britten
Tippett
No obvious no.10 - Schoenberg?

Not an uninteresting list at all and I take your 'concerto' point which I should have clarified in my original post. I should have included the Ravel and must investigate the Schoenberg and Schnittke as I like his Piano Quintet very much.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Lisztianwagner on March 15, 2015, 09:47:01 AM
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No.2
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No.3
Ravel: Piano Concerto for the left hand
Ravel: Piano Concerto in G major
Schnittke: Concerto for piano and strings
Shostakovich: Piano Concerto No.2
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.3
Szymanowski: Symphonie Concertante
Bartók: Piano Concerto No.2
Martinu: Piano Concerto No.4
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: DaveF on March 15, 2015, 10:35:53 AM
Huge apology to John Ireland, whose concerto should have been on my list round about 6 or 7, and who shuts Schoenberg off into outer darkness.

Quote from: amw on March 14, 2015, 06:22:55 PM
Movements is so good. Sogood. It's pretty much the best thing. Stravinsky was offered a sainthood when the pope heard it, but had to decline for religious reasons. True story.

Very good one, whether true or not.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 15, 2015, 11:52:05 AM
Quote from: DaveF on March 15, 2015, 10:35:53 AM
Huge apology to John Ireland, whose concerto should have been on my list round about 6 or 7, and who shuts Schoenberg off into outer darkness.

Very good one, whether true or not.

Also an admirer of John Ireland but I think that I am over familiar with his fine PC.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Madiel on March 17, 2015, 04:01:46 AM
Um...

Both of Ravel's, especially the Left Hand.

Rach 4. People don't seem to mention Rach 4. I like my Rachmaninov late.  Hence the Paganini Rhapsody as well.

Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue has to count, surely.

Bridge's Phantasm.

Holmboe of course.

Bartok's, although I'm not sure which I like the best. Possibly no.1 once I got a handle on it?... will have to go listen again as it's still not fully familiar.

And I'm going to throw in Faure's Fantaisie for Piano and Orchestra because, dammit, people need to remember he's a 20th century composer and was writing stuff after Debussy was gone.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 17, 2015, 06:54:45 AM
Quote from: orfeo on March 17, 2015, 04:01:46 AM
Um...

Both of Ravel's, especially the Left Hand.

Rach 4. People don't seem to mention Rach 4. I like my Rachmaninov late.  Hence the Paganini Rhapsody as well.

Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue has to count, surely.

Bridge's Phantasm.

Holmboe of course.

Bartok's, although I'm not sure which I like the best. Possibly no.1 once I got a handle on it?... will have to go listen again as it's still not fully familiar.

And I'm going to throw in Faure's Fantaisie for Piano and Orchestra because, dammit, people need to remember he's a 20th century composer and was writing stuff after Debussy was gone.

I think I mentioned the Rach 4 - my favourite of them.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Madiel on March 17, 2015, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 17, 2015, 06:54:45 AM
I think I mentioned the Rach 4 - my favourite of them.

Can't see that you have in this thread, but it's late here and maybe I've missed it.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 17, 2015, 08:58:26 AM
Quote from: orfeo on March 17, 2015, 07:22:09 AM
Can't see that you have in this thread, but it's late here and maybe I've missed it.

Page 2 third message down, but not important.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: springrite on March 17, 2015, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on March 17, 2015, 08:58:26 AM
Page 2 third message down, but not important.
That's right. The important one is 8th on page one.  ;)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: vandermolen on March 17, 2015, 11:31:00 AM
Quote from: springrite on March 17, 2015, 09:03:02 AM
That's right. The important one is 8th on page one.  ;)

Definitely. That one is worth the GMG Forum Pulitzer Prize.   8)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: EigenUser on March 17, 2015, 02:53:43 PM

Revised 3/17:
1. Bartok 2
2. Bartok 1
3. Ligeti
4. Ravel LH
5. Tippett
6. Gershwin
7. Ohana
8. Ravel G major
9. Messiaen Oiseaux Exotiques
10. Feldman

The Tippett is amazing. Whenever James and MI both speak highly of something I really should check it out myself. I've listened to it like six times over the past few days.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Ken B on March 17, 2015, 06:21:26 PM
No love for the HVL Choros John?

Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: RebLem on March 19, 2015, 03:11:35 PM
The three by Bartok, Barber, Chavez, Copland, Gershwin's Rhapsody in blue, Prokofiev 1 & 3, and Ravel's in G Major.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Brian on March 19, 2015, 04:05:48 PM
In the order I thought of them:

Ravel - G major
Ravel - Left hand
Shostakovich - No. 2
Prokofiev - No. 1
Prokofiev - No. 3
Szymanowski - Symphony No. 4
Gershwin
Francaix - for two pianos
Poulenc - for two pianos
Rachmaninov - No. 3
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Wanderer on March 20, 2015, 05:17:14 AM
My list from the previous similar thread still stands:

Quote from: Wanderer on October 12, 2013, 12:18:31 PM
In no particular order:

Medtner 1-3
Rachmaninov 4
Prokofiev 2
Ravel left hand
Korngold left hand
Busoni
Vaughan Williams
Foulds Dynamic Triptych
Scriabin Prométhée


Honorary mentions: Bartók 1-3, Skalkottas 1-3, Shostakovich 1-2, Prokofiev 1 & 3-5, Tovey, Scharwenka 4, Pfitzner, Braunfels, Delius, Walton SC.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Brian on March 20, 2015, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2015, 05:17:14 AM
My list from the previous similar thread still stands:
THANK YOU. I knew I had answered this question before, just couldn't find it!

Of course, 8 of my 10 are the same as they were 18 months ago, so comparing was not very interesting. (Viktor Ullmann got the cut, Poulenc and Francaix got added, and Einar Englund remains an honorable mention.)
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Ken B on March 20, 2015, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: Brian on March 20, 2015, 08:47:23 AM
THANK YOU. I knew I had answered this question before, just couldn't find it!

Of course, 8 of my 10 are the same as they were 18 months ago, so comparing was not very interesting. (Viktor Ullmann got the cut, Poulenc and Francaix got added, and Einar Englund remains an honorable mention.)
I had you pegged as a Tveitt fan.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: Brian on March 20, 2015, 12:13:11 PM
Quote from: Ken B on March 20, 2015, 10:16:44 AM
I had you pegged as a Tveitt fan.
I think I listened to them once, but don't remember much. Need to give them a second hearing. Maybe a Monday Marathon. Same situation with Kabalevsky.
Title: Re: Your ten favourite 20th Century piano concertos.
Post by: pjme on March 24, 2015, 12:31:49 AM
Just to inform you all:

Belgian composer Luc van Hove wrote 2 pianoconcerti for Belgo-Hungarian Levente Kende. They have been recorded now for (and by) the Antwerp Philharmonic ( = the Royal Flemish PhO) and Martyn Brabbins. The music deliberately confronts tonal and atonal elements. the first concerto ( at ca 20 mins) is in two movements Dance tunes and A story. The second concerto of 15 years later, is in three movements and has a more virtruoso feel to it. Levente Kende is terrific and so is Brabbins and his Flemish band!
Triptych is concertante work for oboe and orchestra. Two short slow movements contrast with a long and tumultuous central movement.
Van Hove (°1957) has a personal voice - he was inspired by Lutoslavski and Ligeti during his studies .

(http://www.defilharmonie-webshop.be/sites/default/files/styles/product_detail/public/products/images/237x237%20RFP10.jpg)

Well worth discovering.

P.