Ligeti, Melodien
Birtwistle, The Triumph of Time
Boulez, Rituel
Stockhausen, Mantra
Dutilleux, Tout un monde lointain...
Your selections .. ?
The term 'masterpiece' means something different to everyone, so the title of this poll is beyond ridiculous.
bona fide is two words. Just saying.
Ligeti San Francisco Polyphony (Melodien works too, but I'll pick something new)
Messiaen Des Canyons aux Etoiles
Reich Music for 18 Musicians
Feldman Rothko Chapel
Can't yet think of a fifth that isn't already by a composer above...
Quote from: sanantonio on April 06, 2015, 08:21:37 AM
I purposely left out Rothko for you.
;D
I was going to say that your list made me literally laugh out loud when I saw it (not because I think it is a funny list, but because of the recent discussion on GMG).
I'm sensing a pattern with these threads. Hmm, what could it be...?
Quote from: Greg on April 06, 2015, 08:27:29 AM
I'm sensing a pattern with these threads. Hmm, what could it be...?
Just crippled symmetry.
Quote from: Greg on April 06, 2015, 08:27:29 AMI'm sensing a pattern with these threads. Hmm, what could it be...?
An irrepressible desire that certain composers - e.g. Shostakovich, or Arnold, Dutilleux, Saygun, Englund, Lutosławski, Rautavaara, Holmboe, Rubbra or Schnittke - should have been living in another time. 8)
DSCH – String Quartet 13
DSCH – String Quartet 14
DSCH – String Quartet 15
DSCH – Symphony 15
Carter – String Quartet 3
Louis Andriessen, De staat
John Adams, Shaker Loops
Chas Wuorinen, Archæopteryx
Shostakovich, Viola Sonata
Holmboe, Quartetto rustico
Kokkonen: Symphony 4
Arnold: Symphony 7
Gorecki: Symphony 3 'Symphony of Sorrowful Songs'
Rubbra: Symphony 10 'Sinfonia da Camera'
Shostakovich: Symphony 15
Quote from: karlhenning on April 06, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
Louis Andriessen, De staat
John Adams, Shaker Loops
Chas Wuorinen, Archæopteryx
Shostakovich, Viola Sonata
Holmboe, Quartetto rustico
Great list - love the Shostakovich work.
Rautavaara Cantus Arcticus
Shostakovich Symphony No.15
Crumb Black Angels
Del Tredici Final Alice
Williams Star Wars
Goldsmith Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Havergal Brian Symphony No.32 (1968...so close ;D )
Berio Sinfonia (1969...so close ;D )
Sarge
Quote from: vandermolen on April 06, 2015, 12:52:20 PMKokkonen: Symphony 4
Arnold: Symphony 7
Gorecki: Symphony 3 'Symphony of Sorrowful Songs'
Rubbra: Symphony 10 'Sinfonia da Camera'
Shostakovich: Symphony 15
all five endorsed! :)
Hmm, wonder if I should like that Rubbra . . . .
Quote from: karlhenning on April 08, 2015, 04:03:26 AM
Hmm, wonder if I should like that Rubbra . . . .
Am sure you would
Karl it is quite a short work and rather like a synthesis of earlier works; rather Sibelian in that sense (like No.7). That's my view anyway. It is also moving in a reflective way I think.
Silvestrov: Silent Songs (1974-7)
Quote from: vandermolen on April 08, 2015, 10:37:44 AM
Am sure you would Karl it is quite a short work and rather like a synthesis of earlier works; rather Sibelian in that sense (like No.7). That's my view anyway. It is also moving in a reflective way I think.
I've not yet listened to
№ 4, but I've very much enjoyed
№ 10 &
11. I think this may be the first I have actually listened to
Rubbra . . . I once owned a disc with both
Schoenberg's arrangement of the
Brahms piano quartet, and
Rubbra's of (I think) the
Variations on a Theme of Handel. I'm not at all sure I actually listened to the
Rubbra back then.
Glass: Satyagraha
Adams: Christian Zeal and Activity
Rautavaara: Vigilia
Part: Cantus in Memoriam Benjamin Britten
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 15
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on April 06, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
Louis Andriessen, De staat
John Adams, Shaker Loops
Chas Wuorinen, Archæopteryx
Shostakovich, Viola Sonata
Holmboe, Quartetto rustico
I stand by this 8)
So much wrong with the thread title it hurts. There are NO masterpieces, bona fide or otherwise. Get your thread titles right (this applies to everyone) and I'll contribute.
Xenakis - Jonchaies
Schnittke - Piano Quintet
Part - Variations for Healing of Arinushka
Birtwistle - Chronometer
Reich - Music for 18 Musicians
Quote from: Maestro267 on December 14, 2016, 04:07:14 AM
There are NO masterpieces, bona fide or otherwise.
Nah, there are. It's just that some of us have a better knack for identifying them. ;D
Quote from: Maestro267 on December 14, 2016, 04:07:14 AM
There are NO masterpieces, bona fide or otherwise.
What do you mean, please?
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 06, 2015, 01:35:38 PM
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Havergal Brian Symphony No.32 (1968...so close ;D )
Berio Sinfonia (1969...so close ;D )
Sarge
In tht case I nominate the Pettersson 8th..... ;)
Wow, how has western culture reached the point where the word "masterpiece" is rejected and its concept despised?
Do we really have to obey to the intolerant relativistic "correctness" that throws a grey blanket of flatness over everything?
Is it not polite for someone to say that in their opinion one work is better than another?
Or... Are you guys just joking, hopefully?
/rant
Quote from: Felixian on December 14, 2016, 03:33:39 AM
Glass: Satyagraha
Adams: Christian Zeal and Activity
Rautavaara: Vigilia
Part: Cantus in Memoriam Benjamin Britten
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 15
Great list, but one piece needs inclusion:
Bryars, Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet, which is, surprisingly from the 70s. Sub for the Rautavaara.
Quote from: sanantonio on December 14, 2016, 07:01:51 AM
Gavin Bryars wrote two masterpieces of experimental music (https://musicakaleidoscope.wordpress.com/2016/12/14/gavin-bryars-two-experimental-masterpieces/) in the 1970s, The Sinking of the Titanic (1969-1972) and Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet (1971).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/Sinking_of_the_Titanic_1990.jpg/200px-Sinking_of_the_Titanic_1990.jpg)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hJUYbgfEeWc/VE5NNBEZkXI/AAAAAAAAHAk/qYP4c6d-7V0/s1600/R-2689485-1296678455.jpeg)
sanantonio, minimalist??
Agree in particular concerning
Shosty 15 + Messiaen "Des Canyons ..."
Also, on top of my head,
Petterson 2nd Violin Concerto
Pärt Tabula Rasa
Nørgård 3rd Symphony
Shostakovich: Symphony No. 15
Pettersson: Symphony No. 10
Tippett: Triple Concerto
Sorabji: Piano Symphony No. 6
Rubbra: Symphony No. 9
Quote from: Maestro267 on December 14, 2016, 04:07:14 AM
So much wrong with the thread title it hurts. There are NO masterpieces, bona fide or otherwise. Get your thread titles right (this applies to everyone) and I'll contribute.
With all due respect, I suggest looking the word up before you embarrass yourself further in demonstrating your lack of understanding of its meaning, and then that iconic light bulb of gestalt will flick on, letting you see that -- by definition -- there are pieces by master composers littered all through the time line of music history, including from the 1970's
mas·ter·pieceˈmastərˌpēs/
noun
noun: masterpiece; plural noun: masterpieces
a work of outstanding artistry, skill, or workmanship. "a great literary masterpiece"
an artist's or craftsman's best piece of work.
"the painting is arguably Picasso's masterpiece"
synonyms: pièce de résistance, chef-d'œuvre, masterwork, magnum opus, finest/best work, tour de force
"Vivaldi's masterpiece"
historical
a piece of work by a craftsman accepted as qualification for membership of a guild as an acknowledged master.Best regards
Holmboe, Symphony No.10.
In my personal opinion perhaps his finest.
Olivier Messiaen ~ Des canyons aux étoiles (1974)
Elliott Carter ~ A Symphony of Three Orchestras (1976)
Steve Reich ~ Music for Eighteen Musicians (1976)
Luciano Berio ~ Coro for forty voices and instruments (1977)
György Ligeti ~ Le Grand Macabre (1977)
If you want five, then pick five from here, all are masterpieces as far as I am concerned:
Boulez: cummings ist der dichter
Boulez: Rituel in memoriam Bruno Maderna
Boulez: Multiples (Just pretend Éclat isn't attached to it because that's from the 60s)
Boulez: Messagesquisse
Cage: Etudes Australis
Feldman: The Viola in my Life (all parts of it I suppose)
Feldman: Why Patterns?
Berio: Cries of London
Berio: Eindrücke
Berio: Chemins IV
Berio: Concerto for Two Pianos and Orchestra
Grisey: Les Espaces Acoustiques (movements I to IV)
Dufourt: Antiphysis
Ligeti: Three Pieces for Two Pianos
Ligeti: Le Grand Macabre
Ligeti: Chamber Concerto (if I can just squeeze it in because the last movement was written in 1970)
Ferneyhough: Time and Motion Study II
Ferneyhough: Funérailles I
Xenakis: Erikhthon
Xenakis: Jonchaies
Xenakis: Phlegra
Birtwistle: Silbury Air
Birtwistle: The Triumph of Time
Lutosławski: Preludes and a Fugue
Lutoslawski: Variations of a Theme by Paganini
Carter: A Mirror on Which to Dwell
Carter: A Symphony of Three Orchestras
Copland: Night Thoughts
Britten: Phaedra
Britten: Death in Venice
Stockhausen: Donnerstag aus Licht
Stockhausen: Tierkreis
Stockhausen: Mantra
Crumb: Music for a Summer Evening
Crumb: Black Angels
Crumb: Ancient Voices of Children
Crumb: Vox Balaenae
Messiaen: Des canyons aux étoiles...
Shostakovich: String Quartet no. 13
Schnittke: Symphony no. 1
Schnittke: Concerto Grosso no. 1
Ginastera: Popol Vuh
Ginastera: String Quartet no. 3
Ginastera: Sonata for Guitar
Ginastera: Piano Concerto no. 2
Rautavaara: Cantus Arcticus
Rautavaara: Violin Concerto
Takemitsu: Quatrain
Takemitsu: In an Autumn Garden
Takemitsu: A Flock Descends into the Pentagonal Garden
Brouwer: La Espiral Eterna
Brouwer: Tarantos
Andriessen: Hoketus
Reich: Drumming
Reich: Music for 18 Musicians
Reich: Octet
Glass: Einstein on the Beach
Dutilleux: Ainsi la nuit
Dutilleux: Tout un monde lointain
Dutilleux: Timbres, espace, mouvement
That's it for now
Very difficult to list only five...
Ligeti - Clocks and Clouds (or Melodien, or San Francisco Polyphony - they would make a nice trilogy)
Dutilleux - Timbres, Espace, Mouvement (or Ainsi la nuit, or Tout un monde lointain)
Birtwistle - Meridian (or The Triumph of Time)
Nørgård - Symphony No. 3
Feldman - Violin and Orchestra (or The Viola in My Life)
Honorable mention:
Boulez - Rituel in memoriam Bruno Maderna
Murail - Territoires de l'oubli (or Ethers)
Henze - Tristan
Lutosławski - Mi-parti (or Cello Concerto)
Berio - points on the curve to find... (or Linea)
Bryars: Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet (1972)
Reich: Music for 18 Musicians (1974-76)
Nyman: 1–100 (1976)
Simeon ten Holt: Canto Ostinato (1976-1979)
Cage: Freeman Etudes Books I & II (1977-80)
I like this thread and have learned about many new works to explore but GRRRRR I could not find one single concert band work.
Vincent Persichetti: Parable IX for Band, op.121, 1972
Norman Dello Joio: Satiric Dances for a Comedy by Aristophanes for band, 1975. I have performed this work several times.
Karel Husa: Apotheosis of This Earth 1970
Alfred Reed: Armenian Dances 1972/1975. I have performed this work several times.
W. Francis McBeth: Kaddish 1975. I have performed this work several times.
Honorable Mention: Robert Jager's Symphony No. 2 The Seal of Three Laws (1978). I am not that crazy about Jager. Sometimes his music can be a bit run-of-the-mill. Some may find his ideas interesting.
In chronological order
1970: George Crumb \ Black Angels
1976: Alfred Shnitke \ Piano quintet <--- optima fide ;)
1976: Henry Gorecki \ Symphony of sorrowful songs
1976: Luciano Berio \ Sequenza VIII
1977: Arvo Part \ Fratres
...and while I'm at it, if I can add 5 more from the non-classical domain...
1971: Fabrizio De André \ Non al denaro, non all'amore né al cielo
1971: Faust \ Faust
1972: Sun Ra \ Space Is the Place
1976: Tom Waits \ Small Change
1977: Suicide \ Suicide