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Title: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on April 10, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
No thread yet on this interesting Italian composer (1895-1968). He spent much of his later life in the USA having fled from Mussolini's Fascist Italy, once it became influenced by Hitler's anti-semitic decrees (Castelnuovo-Tedesco was Jewish). The new Naxos CD below is wonderful and I have just played it right through with much pleasure. The Violin Concerto 2, 'The Prophets' has been recorded several times before. It is rather in the spirit of Bloch with its biblical inspiration and possesses considerable depth. It has a certain cinematic character and the composer wrote much film music during his time in the USA. The earlier 'Concerto Italiano' has never been recorded before but is just as good. At first I thought that it might be quite a 'light' work but I was wrong and like the 'Prophets' concerto it possesses considerable depth. Basically these are two very enjoyable works if you fancy something different:
[asin]B00QSMV30A[/asin]
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Albion on April 10, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
So far I just have the two Naxos discs of the wonderful Shakespeare overtures, but definitely intend to explore the piano and violin concertos...

:)

Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on April 10, 2015, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Albion on April 10, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
So far I just have the two Naxos discs of the wonderful Shakespeare overtures, but definitely intend to explore the piano and violin concertos...

:)

Thank you! Let us know what you think. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the violin concertos.  :)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Rons_talking on April 10, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
His Guitar Concerto is one of the finest in the idiom. I'll have to give him a listen. I nearly wore out the concerto disc (it's often coupled with the Rodrigo, John Williams soloist). His other music is unfamiliar to me, but I'll check out the Violin Concerto.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on April 10, 2015, 10:03:42 PM
Quote from: Rons_talking on April 10, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
His Guitar Concerto is one of the finest in the idiom. I'll have to give him a listen. I nearly wore out the concerto disc (it's often coupled with the Rodrigo, John Williams soloist). His other music is unfamiliar to me, but I'll check out the Violin Concerto.
Yes, he is known for his guitar music. Let us know what you think when you hear the VC.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: aligreto on April 11, 2015, 03:09:04 AM
Likewise, I only know this composer through his wonderful guitar concerto. I should also investigate his VC.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on April 11, 2015, 07:56:01 AM
Quote from: aligreto on April 11, 2015, 03:09:04 AM
Likewise, I only know this composer through his wonderful guitar concerto. I should also investigate his VC.
I suspect that you would enjoy it too.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on February 23, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
Another one of my triumphant thread inspirations! (Only about five years since the previous post) ;D
I think that I need to discover more of Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music this year.
Any recommendations?
Is there a particular recording of the VC No.2 'The Prophets' which you would recommend?
One at a time please.  8)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Gurn Blanston on February 23, 2020, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 23, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
Another one of my triumphant thread inspirations! (Only about five years since the previous post) ;D
I think that I need to discover more of Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music this year.
Any recommendations?
Is there a particular recording of the VC No.2 'The Prophets' which you would recommend?
One at a time please.  8)

I have always wanted his VC's, but while I shopped them intensively about 15 years ago, the only recording I could find was by (IIRC) Heifetz, and I was totally unable to find a copy of it. He had faded from my radar screen since then, but I would still like to get a disk with the concertos on it, maybe there is one now?

8)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Roy Bland on February 23, 2020, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 23, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
Another one of my triumphant thread inspirations! (Only about five years since the previous post) ;D
I think that I need to discover more of Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music this year.
Any recommendations?
Is there a particular recording of the VC No.2 'The Prophets' which you would recommend?
One at a time please.  8)
Beyond Concerto ,i would suggest these works of superb craftmanship (IMHO reminds Rota)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BddieyW3L.jpg)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on February 23, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: Roy Bland on February 23, 2020, 03:26:23 PM
Beyond Concerto ,i would suggest these works of superb craftmanship (IMHO reminds Rota)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BddieyW3L.jpg)
A reply! My goodness. Thank you. I'll definitely look out for that disc.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Daverz on February 23, 2020, 11:31:01 PM
The Shakespeare overtures are great, the sort of music where his style shines. 

Of course, I also love the Guitar Concerto No. 1, particularly the John Williams/Ormandy recording, which you can get as a download now (outside of a giant John Williams box).

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81+GZgsql1L._SS500_.jpg)

Perlman also recorded the Violin Concerto No. 2.  It's coupled with his recording of the Ben-Haim concerto.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/513bPJYcAWL.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Castelnuovo-Tedesco-Violin-Concerto-No-Ben-Haim/dp/B00000DNPL

(Also in Warner's enormous Perlman box, of course.)

The bios all say he was a successful film composer, but can anyone name one of his film scores?  His guitar music is widely played, and I think that is his legacy.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on February 24, 2020, 05:21:30 AM
Quote from: Daverz on February 23, 2020, 11:31:01 PM
The Shakespeare overtures are great, the sort of music where his style shines. 

Of course, I also love the Guitar Concerto No. 1, particularly the John Williams/Ormandy recording, which you can get as a download now (outside of a giant John Williams box).

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81+GZgsql1L._SS500_.jpg)

Perlman also recorded the Violin Concerto No. 2.  It's coupled with his recording of the Ben-Haim concerto.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/513bPJYcAWL.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Castelnuovo-Tedesco-Violin-Concerto-No-Ben-Haim/dp/B00000DNPL

(Also in Warner's enormous Perlman box, of course.)

The bios all say he was a successful film composer, but can anyone name one of his film scores?  His guitar music is widely played, and I think that is his legacy.
Thanks Daverz. I have the VC in that recording with the fine Ben-Haim concerto. I will order the Shakespeare overtures.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: JBS on February 24, 2020, 08:27:12 AM
Wikipedia gives this list of film scores

QuoteCredited contributions (full list of the 11 scores that were credited to the composer):

1. The Return of the Vampire (Lew Landers, 1943)
2. The Black Parachute (Lew Landers, 1944)
3. She's a Soldier Too (William Castle, 1944)
4. And Then There Were None (René Clair, 1945)
5. Time Out of Mind (Robert Siodmak, 1947)
6. The Loves of Carmen (Charles Vidor, 1948)
7. Rogues of Sherwood Forest (Gordon Douglas, 1950)
8. The Brave Bulls (Robert Rossen, 1951)
9. Mask of the Avenger (Phil Karlson, 1951)
10. The Brigand (Phil Karlson, 1952)
11. The Long Wait (Victor Saville, 1954)

The link also gives a long list of films to which he made "uncredited contributions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Mario_Castelnuovo-Tedesco#Film_music[34]
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on February 24, 2020, 12:56:27 PM
Quote from: JBS on February 24, 2020, 08:27:12 AM
Wikipedia gives this list of film scores

The link also gives a long list of films to which he made "uncredited contributions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Mario_Castelnuovo-Tedesco#Film_music[34]
Excellent!
Thanks Jeffrey
:)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Daverz on February 24, 2020, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: JBS on February 24, 2020, 08:27:12 AM
Wikipedia gives this list of film scores

Yes, but did he write any scores that have the traction of those by Korngold, Waxman, Rosza, Herrmann, Tiomkin, Steiner, etc?
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on February 24, 2020, 01:27:55 PM
Quote from: Daverz on February 24, 2020, 01:21:18 PM
Yes, but did he write any scores that have the traction of those by Korngold, Waxman, Rosza, Herrmann, Tiomkin, Steiner, etc?
I don't know any of the films but I doubt it although I'd love to hear some of them.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Daverz on February 24, 2020, 04:04:05 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 24, 2020, 01:27:55 PM
I don't know any of the films but I doubt it although I'd love to hear some of them.

I only recall And Then There Were None (but not the music; I don't recall it as a music heavy film).
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on February 26, 2020, 07:22:50 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on April 10, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
No thread yet on this interesting Italian composer (1895-1968). He spent much of his later life in the USA having fled from Mussolini's Fascist Italy, once it became influenced by Hitler's anti-semitic decrees (Castelnuovo-Tedesco was Jewish). The new Naxos CD below is wonderful and I have just played it right through with much pleasure. The Violin Concerto 2, 'The Prophets' has been recorded several times before. It is rather in the spirit of Bloch with its biblical inspiration and possesses considerable depth. It has a certain cinematic character and the composer wrote much film music during his time in the USA. The earlier 'Concerto Italiano' has never been recorded before but is just as good. At first I thought that it might be quite a 'light' work but I was wrong and like the 'Prophets' concerto it possesses considerable depth. Basically these are two very enjoyable works if you fancy something different:
[asin]B00QSMV30A[/asin]
Just been replaying this disc with which I opened this thread and with just as much pleasure. I prefer this recording of the VC 2 'The Prophets' than the Perlman/Mehta version, good as that is. In this version I find that the violin is more integrated with the orchestra and the playing is less 'sugary' as well.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on February 26, 2020, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on February 26, 2020, 07:22:50 AM
Just been replaying this disc with which I opened this thread and with just as much pleasure. I prefer this recording of the VC 2 'The Prophets' than the Perlman/Mehta version, good as that is. In this version I find that the violin is more integrated with the orchestra and the playing is less 'sugary' as well.

Both concertos were a revelation the first time I listened to this amazing CD. Don't know the Perlman CD of the VC 2, but this Naxos one fulfilled my expectations. One of the best CDs I know devoted to Castelnuovo-Tedesco.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on February 26, 2020, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 26, 2020, 01:32:15 PM
Both concertos were a revelation the first time I listened to this amazing CD. Don't know the Perlman CD of the VC 2, but this Naxos one fulfilled my expectations. One of the best CDs I know devoted to Castelnuovo-Tedesco.
My favourite Cesar, been playing it continuously. The VC No.1, of which I think this may be the only recording ,is very enjoyable as well. At the start I thought that it was going to be quite light-weight but I was wrong.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on June 07, 2020, 12:49:06 PM
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81c8UnJb5uL._SS500_.jpg)

Earlier I was playing this disc. This is one out of countless cases where discovering new works is a thoroughly gratifying experience, at least for me. Two superb and memorable piano quintets that show the immense artistry of this composer. I was particularly impressed by the intensity and memorability of the No. 1.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on June 10, 2020, 01:31:03 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on June 07, 2020, 12:49:06 PM
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81c8UnJb5uL._SS500_.jpg)

Earlier I was playing this disc. This is one out of countless cases where discovering new works is a thoroughly gratifying experience, at least for me. Two superb and memorable piano quintets that show the immense artistry of this composer. I was particularly impressed by the intensity and memorability of the No. 1.
Oh gosh! More temptation  ::)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Christo on June 10, 2020, 01:47:27 AM
The guitar concertos of course, the First (1939) contemporary with the Rodrigo ('Aranjuez") and perhaps finest of them all: Ponce's ('del Sur').
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273d80f7b7183d7c5526f5bd21d)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Daverz on June 10, 2020, 04:49:31 AM
Quote from: Christo on June 10, 2020, 01:47:27 AM
The guitar concertos of course, the First (1939) contemporary with the Rodrigo ('Aranjuez") and perhaps finest of them all: Ponce's ('del Sur').
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273d80f7b7183d7c5526f5bd21d)

A good disc for your C-T dollars.  I think No. 2 is not as recorded because it is not as much a showpiece as No. 1.  But it is a very appealing concerto.

There have been several recordings of the Cello Concerto just recently, including by Raphael Wallfisch:

[asin]B075DT4QWF[/asin]

Initial impression was positive, though I'll need another listen to say anything useful.



Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: kyjo on September 22, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: Christo on June 10, 2020, 01:47:27 AM
The guitar concertos of course, the First (1939) contemporary with the Rodrigo ('Aranjuez") and perhaps finest of them all: Ponce's ('del Sur').
(https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273d80f7b7183d7c5526f5bd21d)

A couple days ago I was listening to the Guitar Concerto no. 2 from this album and enjoyed it very much. In fact, I have more positive memories of it than of the much more popular 1st concerto, though I'll have to revisit that one. This is sunny, melodic, inventive music that has C-T's unmistakable compositional stamp on it.

I was also very impressed by his all-too-brief, two-movement Cello Sonata recently. The opening melody is simply one of the most beautiful things I've heard in a while. It will haunt you for days! This Naxos recording is superb:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71TVKkONpyL._SX425_.jpg)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 22, 2020, 08:44:08 PM
That Naxos disc is great indeed. I would add this one too:

(https://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.574003.jpg)

Almost all of what I've heard from this composer has delighted me a lot.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on September 23, 2020, 04:17:02 AM
He's a composer whom I've increasingly learned to appreciate
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: aligreto on September 23, 2020, 07:16:34 AM
Castelnuovo-Tedesco: Platero And I, Second Series [Segovia]


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mNkAAOSwwJVdpSMg/s-l1600.jpg)


Very pleasant and engaging music along with very fluid and masterly playing lends for a very pleasurable listening experience. This is one of those cases where one is simply prepared to sit back and let the music wash over you.



I must admit that I have never explored this composer beyond his guitar music as that is what has impacted on me in the past, in particular, the Guitar Concerto.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Scion7 on September 23, 2020, 08:03:26 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71GrRyRpVHL._SX425_.jpg)

When quite dexterous playing is totally unheard due to a cover atrocity.
What were they thinking, sending a pic to mum??
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: aligreto on September 23, 2020, 09:12:11 AM
Quote from: Scion7 on September 23, 2020, 08:03:26 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71GrRyRpVHL._SX425_.jpg)

When quite dexterous playing is totally unheard due to a cover atrocity.
What were they thinking, sending a pic to mum??

How very unforgiving  :laugh:
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Scion7 on September 23, 2020, 09:40:26 AM
Piano quintets.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71YzEQ%2BT9hL._SX425_.jpg)

Opus 69's (1932) first two movements are not interesting, but things quite nicely shift gear with the Scherzo.  Last movement ends with flair.

Opus 155 (1951) is a fine piece, perhaps benefitting from 20 years of experience.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on September 23, 2020, 10:22:23 AM
Quote from: kyjo on September 22, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
A couple days ago I was listening to the Guitar Concerto no. 2 from this album and enjoyed it very much. In fact, I have more positive memories of it than of the much more popular 1st concerto, though I'll have to revisit that one. This is sunny, melodic, inventive music that has C-T's unmistakable compositional stamp on it.

I was also very impressed by his all-too-brief, two-movement Cello Sonata recently. The opening melody is simply one of the most beautiful things I've heard in a while. It will haunt you for days! This Naxos recording is superb:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71TVKkONpyL._SX425_.jpg)

Here's a nice little trailer for the Cello Sonata disc:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDgIommxPKY
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Scion7 on September 23, 2020, 10:37:11 AM
Castelnuovo-Tedesco : unrecorded chamber music

String Quartet no.1, op.58, 1929
String Quartet no.2, op.139
String Quartet no.3, op.203, 1964 'casa al dono'

Sonata for Violin & Viola, op.127,  1945
Sonata for Viola & Cello, op.144  1950

Pastorale and Rondo for Clarinet, Violin, Cello, & Piano, op.185,  1958

Quartettsatz, op.170  1960

. . . it is a great sadness.  >:( :(



Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Scion7 on September 23, 2020, 03:24:56 PM
Dynamic has this set of the Piano Trios.  Probably harder to find, as it is 20 years old, as far as a CD is concerned.

https://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=CDS136

(https://i.postimg.cc/WzHtvXV8/front-back.jpg)

I have a number of Dynamic releases - I've always found them top quality.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on September 23, 2020, 03:27:46 PM
Some of their recordings are often made with dry acoustics and the sound quality is not the best. That is the case with that CD IIRC.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Scion7 on September 23, 2020, 03:52:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMRtyRoF1B8

More to your taste?

(https://i.postimg.cc/GtCHKqRS/EDIT-THIS.jpg)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: kyjo on September 23, 2020, 08:02:57 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on September 23, 2020, 10:22:23 AM
Here's a nice little trailer for the Cello Sonata disc:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDgIommxPKY

Thanks for sharing, Jeffrey. Enrico Dindo is a fantastic cellist who I haven't paid much attention to until recently.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: vandermolen on September 23, 2020, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: kyjo on September 23, 2020, 08:02:57 PM
Thanks for sharing, Jeffrey. Enrico Dindo is a fantastic cellist who I haven't paid much attention to until recently.

I've now purchased the CD having enjoyed the trailer samples Kyle.
I especially liked the sound of the 'Chant Hébraïque'.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Scion7 on September 23, 2020, 10:21:12 PM
Symphonic Variations for Violin and Orchestra, Op.48 (1928)

Doesn't seem to have been recorded ... couldn't find a radio broadcast, either.
Anyone have information on this piece?  I was unable to track down a score.

Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: ChamberNut on April 24, 2023, 06:55:13 AM
The Concertino for Harp and Chamber Orchestra, Op. 93, here performed by Catherine Michel (harp), Orchestre Philharmonique de Monte Carlo, conducted by Antonio de Almeida is quite lovely!

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiNzkzMDU5Mi4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0ODYzNzA4OTB9)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: ChamberNut on May 19, 2023, 04:31:09 AM
Quote from: aligreto on September 23, 2020, 07:16:34 AMCastelnuovo-Tedesco: Platero And I, Second Series [Segovia]


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mNkAAOSwwJVdpSMg/s-l1600.jpg)


Very pleasant and engaging music along with very fluid and masterly playing lends for a very pleasurable listening experience. This is one of those cases where one is simply prepared to sit back and let the music wash over you.



I must admit that I have never explored this composer beyond his guitar music as that is what has impacted on me in the past, in particular, the Guitar Concerto.


@aligreto Fergus, where the heck are you?  We really miss you around these parts!

Interesting you bring this up, the work Platero y yo, Op. 190 (Platero and I)

It is based on 28 poems of the above named by Spanish poet Juan Ramon Jimenez

The traditional performance is set to guitar and narration, but I see there are some recordings of just the guitar (if those who don't want the accompanying narration like me)  ;D

Here is an example of a complete recording of all 28 poems (sans narration), performed by Catherine Liolios

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiODMyNDEwNi4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwianBlZyI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0IjoianBlZyJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0OTUxMTAxMzh9)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71NGs0UAKuL._AC_SL1351_.jpg)

@Brian
@Bachtoven
@Dry Brett Kavanaugh
@San Antone
@Que
@JBS

I haven't listened to it yet (the complete Platero), but it peaked my interest via this absolutely terrific 1967 documentary by Christoper Nupen on Andres Segovia, which is a must watch in my opinion.  This is the second time I watch it!!  Hat tip again to @Papy Oli for bringing this video to our attention in the guitar recordings' thread.  :)

In The House of Andres Segovia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXID4GM4oQ)


Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: JBS on May 19, 2023, 08:04:27 AM
Perhaps my imagination is at work, but I think I read Platero and I as a kid--perhaps an adaptation?

Wikipedia reveals this composer wrote an 8 piece suite based on the book
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Sainz_de_la_Maza
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 17, 2024, 04:20:00 PM
This is the sort of releases I'm waiting for (to be released on June 14th):

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiOTYxOTk0MC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwid2VicCI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0Ijoid2VicCJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE3MTMzNjI5MjF9)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: kyjo on April 26, 2024, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 17, 2024, 04:20:00 PMThis is the sort of releases I'm waiting for (to be released on June 14th):

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiOTYxOTk0MC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwid2VicCI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0Ijoid2VicCJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE3MTMzNjI5MjF9)

Great news, Cesar! I was recently listening to his Cello Concerto in this fine recording:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51N18Bc5N5L._SY300_SX300_QL70_FMwebp_.jpg)

Its weakness is that the first movement is a bit too repetitive - the main rhythmic motive is milked for all its worth. I have no qualms with the remaining two movements, which are in MC-T's best "elegantly heroic/chivalrous" style (for lack of a better description). Overall, I think his VCs 1 and 2 are stronger works, but the Cello Concerto has many attractions. The above disc is filled out with several effective (and very virtuosic) transcriptions MC-T made for cello and piano of works by arias by Mozart and Rossini, as well as two movements from Ravel's Miroirs. All in all, though, my favorite work of his for the instrument is his two-movement Cello Sonata (Op. 50), which boasts one of the most beautiful, heartfelt opening melodies of any work that I know: https://youtu.be/wOJxLE5wh9U?si=I_4LDhk58782WkFj
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 26, 2024, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: kyjo on April 26, 2024, 11:50:38 AMAll in all, though, my favorite work of his for the instrument is his two-movement Cello Sonata (Op. 50), which boasts one of the most beautiful, heartfelt opening melodies of any work that I know: https://youtu.be/wOJxLE5wh9U?si=I_4LDhk58782WkFj

Count me as a fan of his chamber music, not only of that sonata, but also of his two Piano Quintets, String Trio, Sonata for violin and cello and Sonata quasi una fantasia for violin and piano. In some of those pieces he incorporates Jewish melodies. On the other hand, I haven't warmed to the two Piano Trios yet, the recordings of them don't sound convincing methinks.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Daverz on April 27, 2024, 04:43:47 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 26, 2024, 04:37:16 PMCount me as a fan of his chamber music, not only of that sonata, but also of his two Piano Quintets, String Trio, Sonata for violin and cello and Sonata quasi una fantasia for violin and piano. In some of those pieces he incorporates Jewish melodies. On the other hand, I haven't warmed to the two Piano Trios yet, the recordings of them don't sound convincing methinks.

There's also a Guitar Quintet:

Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 27, 2024, 01:44:56 PM
I've recently listened for the first time to some Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music (without counting his part in the Genesis Suite), the piano pieces Il raggio verde, Alghe, I Naviganti, Cipressi and Ricercare sul nome di Luigi Dallapiccola; absolutely exquisite, evocative compositions! The first four were very colourful and fluent, elegantly limpid and beautifully floating in the developing of the melodic lines, and they seemed to show the influence of the French Impressionism. Instead the fifth, despite equally graceful and lyrical, was in some way more angular and had certainly more tension and harmonic contrasts, definitely echoing the style of Dallapiccola; an interesting aspect was that it also seemed to show some brief series of notes, similarly to the tone row of dodecaphony.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 28, 2024, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: Daverz on April 27, 2024, 04:43:47 AMThere's also a Guitar Quintet:



I have no recollections of that piece at the moment. I'll have to give a listen to find out.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 28, 2024, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on April 27, 2024, 01:44:56 PMI've recently listened for the first time to some Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music (without counting his part in the Genesis Suite), the piano pieces Il raggio verde, Alghe, I Naviganti, Cipressi and Ricercare sul nome di Luigi Dallapiccola; absolutely exquisite, evocative compositions! The first four were very colourful and fluent, elegantly limpid and beautifully floating in the developing of the melodic lines, and they seemed to show the influence of the French Impressionism. Instead the fifth, despite equally graceful and lyrical, was in some way more angular and had certainly more tension and harmonic contrasts, definitely echoing the style of Dallapiccola; an interesting aspect was that it also seemed to show some brief series of notes, similarly to the tone row of dodecaphony.

Interesting, Ilaria. His piano works are still unknown to me. I think he is an underrated composer (that epithet again!), and also very prolific, who wrote in practically all forms but symphony (something I regret).
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 28, 2024, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 28, 2024, 10:13:00 AMInteresting, Ilaria. His piano works are still unknown to me. I think he is an underrated composer (that epithet again!), and also very prolific, who wrote in practically all forms but symphony (something I regret).
He seems so, what a pity; today I've listened to his Piano Sonata, quite sharp and hectic, but extremely enchanting. His piano works are certainly worth exploring, I hope you'll find some time to check them out sooner or later, Cesar.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on April 28, 2024, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on April 28, 2024, 01:57:40 PMHe seems so, what a pity; today I've listened to his Piano Sonata, quite sharp and hectic, but extremely enchanting. His piano works are certainly worth exploring, I hope you'll find some time to check them out sooner or later, Cesar.

Checking info on the internet, I see that a considerable bunch of his piano works were performed nothing more, nothing less than by Aldo Ciccolini, including the Piano Sonata you listened to.

Following your recommendation of listening to some piano music by him, I just heard Le danze del Re David from this recording:

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiODAyOTIwMC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwid2VicCI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0Ijoid2VicCJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE0MDE5ODI1NzN9)

They are 7 short dances, some imbued with rhythmic vitality and others with more lyricism. Ieratico and Allegro guerriero contain some magical writing and good melodies (they possibly were my favorites), and I must say that piece as a whole gave me a positive impression, it's really music with purpose and spark. Thanks for the heads up, Ilaria!
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 29, 2024, 06:43:13 AM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on April 27, 2024, 01:44:56 PMI've recently listened for the first time to some Castelnuovo-Tedesco's music (without counting his part in the Genesis Suite), the piano pieces Il raggio verde, Alghe, I Naviganti, Cipressi and Ricercare sul nome di Luigi Dallapiccola; absolutely exquisite, evocative compositions! The first four were very colourful and fluent, elegantly limpid and beautifully floating in the developing of the melodic lines, and they seemed to show the influence of the French Impressionism. Instead the fifth, despite equally graceful and lyrical, was in some way more angular and had certainly more tension and harmonic contrasts, definitely echoing the style of Dallapiccola; an interesting aspect was that it also seemed to show some brief series of notes, similarly to the tone row of dodecaphony.
Sounds interesting!  Whose recordings did you listen to LW?

PD
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 29, 2024, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 29, 2024, 06:43:13 AMSounds interesting!  Whose recordings did you listen to LW?

PD
I listened to those pieces on youtube, but it should be this recording, the pianist is Mariaclara Monetti:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61zMrE1BKbL._UXNaN_FMjpg_QL85_.jpg)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 29, 2024, 09:05:35 AM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on April 29, 2024, 09:01:06 AMI listened to those pieces on youtube, but it should be this recording, the pianist is Mariaclara Monetti:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61zMrE1BKbL._UXNaN_FMjpg_QL85_.jpg)
Thanks!  :)

PD
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 29, 2024, 05:30:23 PM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on April 29, 2024, 09:01:06 AMI listened to those pieces on youtube, but it should be this recording, the pianist is Mariaclara Monetti:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61zMrE1BKbL._UXNaN_FMjpg_QL85_.jpg)
I don't think that I can get a hold of a copy to listen to near me, so I'll try listening to them via youtube.

PD
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Lisztianwagner on April 30, 2024, 04:51:00 AM
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on April 29, 2024, 05:30:23 PMI don't think that I can get a hold of a copy to listen to near me, so I'll try listening to them via youtube.

PD
Try this one, PD, these are the recordings I listened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NrPQI7mHz4&list=PL5716CB49B49FD856 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NrPQI7mHz4&list=PL5716CB49B49FD856)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Pohjolas Daughter on April 30, 2024, 07:19:07 AM
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on April 30, 2024, 04:51:00 AMTry this one, PD, these are the recordings I listened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NrPQI7mHz4&list=PL5716CB49B49FD856 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NrPQI7mHz4&list=PL5716CB49B49FD856)
Thank you for that link.  I listened to the first one.  And, yes, like you, I thought immediately of impressionism.  Will listen to the other ones later (still working on my morning coffee here.  French roast mixed with the remains of milder Ethiopian beans left in the grinder--hasn't quite kicked in yet.).  :)

PD
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Roy Bland on April 30, 2024, 07:41:19 AM
web page
https://mariocastelnuovotedesco.com/biography/
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: calyptorhynchus on May 01, 2024, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on April 17, 2024, 04:20:00 PMThis is the sort of releases I'm waiting for (to be released on June 14th):

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiOTYxOTk0MC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6OTAwfSwid2VicCI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0Ijoid2VicCJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE3MTMzNjI5MjF9)

It's been a long time since Naxos released anything interesting.

I remember about 10 years ago they suddenly hiked the price of downloads from $6 (Australian) to $12, saying they were providing 'better customer experience'. I wrote and asked them exactly how doubling their prices was providing a better customer experience, but they didn't reply.

Funnily enough though since that time they have barely issued anything I want to try anyway.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on May 01, 2024, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: calyptorhynchus on May 01, 2024, 01:57:19 PMIt's been a long time since Naxos released anything interesting.

I remember about 10 years ago they suddenly hiked the price of downloads from $6 (Australian) to $12, saying they were providing 'better customer experience'. I wrote and asked them exactly how doubling their prices was providing a better customer experience, but they didn't reply.

Funnily enough though since that time they have barely issued anything I want to try anyway.

Fortunately all of the Naxos releases devoted to Castelnuovo-Tedesco have been noteworthy, something I'm grateful for.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on May 01, 2024, 02:43:21 PM
Speaking of him and Naxos, recently I gave the recording of the 2nd Violin Concerto 'I Propheti' a listen. That work is the bee's knees in terms of cinematic sumptuousness and colourful luxury, absolutely tremendous. Love it. I echo Kyle's words about the chivalrious element that is perceived in some of his works, I felt that feature in that concerto. The 1st Violin Concerto is not half bad either. The two Piano Concertos, on the other hand, are not as powerful and vivid, but they are pretty good, nevertheless.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Bachtoven on May 06, 2024, 12:30:32 PM
Quote from: Rons_talking on April 10, 2015, 03:39:38 PMHis Guitar Concerto is one of the finest in the idiom. I'll have to give him a listen. I nearly wore out the concerto disc (it's often coupled with the Rodrigo, John Williams soloist). His other music is unfamiliar to me, but I'll check out the Violin Concerto.
He wrote two. This recording is superb:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71R9CptdEWL._SL579_.jpg)

Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Bachtoven on May 06, 2024, 12:33:05 PM
These are very good:
(https://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/aa/p2/d2vf5vb0mp2aa_600.jpg)

(https://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/79/52/0747313225279_600.jpg)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: kyjo on May 08, 2024, 07:55:37 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on May 01, 2024, 02:43:21 PMSpeaking of him and Naxos, recently I gave the recording of the 2nd Violin Concerto 'I Propheti' a listen. That work is the bee's knees in terms of cinematic sumptuousness and colourful luxury, absolutely tremendous. Love it. I echo Kyle's words about the chivalrious element that is perceived in some of his works, I felt that feature in that concerto. The 1st Violin Concerto is not half bad either. The two Piano Concertos, on the other hand, are not as powerful and vivid, but they are pretty good, nevertheless.

Agreed, the VCs nos. 1 and 2 showcase the composer at his very best. The VC no. 1 Concerto Italiano is hardly any less impressive or appealing than the (slightly) more famous No. 2. Interestingly, there is a VC no. 3 but it is only with piano accompaniment (it's been recorded recently by Naxos). And yes, the two PCs are not quite on the same level, but they're quite delightful all the same. In some ways, it's the "filler" on the below Naxos CD which steals the show - the Four Dances from Love's Labour's Lost:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71OkZrmtpwL._SY355_.jpg)

The first dance, the Sarabande for the King of Navarre, is particularly memorable in its regal, stately character.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on June 15, 2024, 11:15:33 AM
Just listened to this fresh release. Nothing particularly revelatory or pretentious, just music for pleasure. Most of it possesses a lovely rustic charm, albeit the 2nd SQ in F minor sounds a tad more troubled. Months ago I had already listened to the 3rd SQ on the Da Vinci Classics label finding the performance there (featuring the Ensemble Mark Rothko, a subpar team I must say) little polished. This rendition, however, does more justice to the piece. Nice to have these quartets even when they're not properly essential, or at least they are to me, to an obsessive completist.

(https://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.574580.jpg)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: ChamberNut on December 10, 2024, 05:16:39 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on June 15, 2024, 11:15:33 AMJust listened to this fresh release. Nothing particularly revelatory or pretentious, just music for pleasure. Most of it possesses a lovely rustic charm, albeit the 2nd SQ in F minor sounds a tad more troubled. Months ago I had already listened to the 3rd SQ on the Da Vinci Classics label finding the performance there (featuring the Ensemble Mark Rothko, a subpar team I must say) little polished. This rendition, however, does more justice to the piece. Nice to have these quartets even when they're not properly essential, or at least they are to me, to an obsessive completist.

(https://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.574580.jpg)

Thanks for your review.  I just watched David Hurwitz' favourable review on this disc.  Probably will add this disc to my wish list.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: foxandpeng on December 10, 2024, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on June 15, 2024, 11:15:33 AMJust listened to this fresh release. Nothing particularly revelatory or pretentious, just music for pleasure. Most of it possesses a lovely rustic charm, albeit the 2nd SQ in F minor sounds a tad more troubled. Months ago I had already listened to the 3rd SQ on the Da Vinci Classics label finding the performance there (featuring the Ensemble Mark Rothko, a subpar team I must say) little polished. This rendition, however, does more justice to the piece. Nice to have these quartets even when they're not properly essential, or at least they are to me, to an obsessive completist.

(https://cdn.naxosmusiclibrary.com/sharedfiles/images/cds/hires/8.574580.jpg)

Listed for listening, thank you 😊 🙏
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: ChamberNut on December 17, 2024, 04:12:23 PM
I listened to about only 30 seconds of clips for sampling and IMMEDIATELY plopped it into the shopping cart.

(https://d1iiivw74516uk.cloudfront.net/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJwcmVzdG8tY292ZXItaW1hZ2VzIiwia2V5IjoiOTYxOTk0MC4xLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6MzAwfSwid2VicCI6eyJxdWFsaXR5Ijo2NX0sInRvRm9ybWF0Ijoid2VicCJ9LCJ0aW1lc3RhbXAiOjE3MTMzNjI5MjF9)
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: ChamberNut on December 26, 2024, 05:00:40 AM
Quote from: Bachtoven on May 06, 2024, 12:33:05 PMThese are very good:
(https://static.qobuz.com/images/covers/aa/p2/d2vf5vb0mp2aa_600.jpg)

Hi @Bachtoven I am listening to this for the first time and am supremely enjoying it!  :)  I'm looking forward to doing a greater deep-dive into his music in 2025, including the guitar works. I'll probably jump into listening to the String Quartet recording by Quartetto Adorno I just received next, as I was thoroughly impressed with the brief sound samples I listened to.
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: kyjo on December 26, 2024, 07:25:28 AM
Quote from: Bachtoven on May 06, 2024, 12:30:32 PMHe wrote two. This recording is superb:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71R9CptdEWL._SL579_.jpg)

A few days ago I was listening to the absolutely delightful Concerto for Two Guitars from this disc. I think I like it even better than either of the two solo guitar concerti! Of course it's quite old-fashioned considering it was written in 1962, but that should hardly matter. The finale is a Rondo mexicano (complete with maracas!) which couldn't fail to lift anyone's spirits!
Title: Re: Castelnuovo-Tedesco's Castle
Post by: Symphonic Addict on November 07, 2025, 02:12:59 PM
This forthcoming release will surely be issued for January or February 2026:

(https://i.imgur.com/HZ4spII.png)

There's a CPO recording of both pieces and whilst is very good overall, the playing of the Aron Quartett is not totally polished, so this new release will provide an improvement on that regard.