Brian: 340
Bruckner: 124
Brahms: 44
Sibelius: 89
Stockhausen: 56 (mostly from one person)
RVW: 120
Haydn: 487
Beethoven: 72
Shostakovich: 74
Koechlin: 31
Martinu: 35
Elgar: 148
Prokofiev: 68
Delius: 39
Bach: 23
Schnittke: 48
Bax: 31
Henning: 250
Just a sampling ;)
Thanks that is interesting. No Miaskovsky :'(
That's interesting, Paul. Rather unexpected really. Not the Haydn and Henning, 'H' is always a popular starting letter for a composer's name (or at least there is some explanation somewhere). No, what I mean is Brian far outstripping Beethoven, Brahms and Mozart, who are such popular favorites. I'm not making a value judgment, just being surprised... :o
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Perhaps because such composers as Beethoven and Mozart have already been so heavily discussed in any sort of classical music appreciation medium. Many of us, or at least I speak for myself, search for information and history on those composers that aren't commonly referred to.
That is truly the greatest thing I've gathered from GMG, exploring new works from composers I either never knew about or was not very familiar with.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 17, 2015, 05:38:14 AM
Perhaps because such composers as Beethoven and Mozart have already been so heavily discussed in any sort of classical music appreciation medium. Many of us, or at least I speak for myself, search for information and history on those composers that aren't commonly referred to.
That is truly the greatest thing I've gathered from GMG, exploring new works from composers I either never knew about or was not very familiar with.
Seems sensible enough. It may seem odd, but that's what attracted me to Haydn; liked the music, couldn't find any reliable information about it, developed it myself. I would guess, though, that if you gathered up all the miscellaneous 'loose threads' about Mozart and Beethoven's music and puled it together with their composer pages, the results would be a bit more what one would expect.
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This counting is interesting, but it brings some inaccuracies. For instance, Bach lovers are notoriously reluctant to post in the thread named "Bach's Bungalow". It's almost a residual thread where are posted those things that don't fit in some other place. And there are specific threads devoted to a lot of particular Bach works.
About Haydn: It's true, I think he is currently the most popular composer here. And the story of this popularity begins, I'm sure, with the move of Gurn from "the Corner" to "da House". At least, so will be written by historians. :)
Maybe a method more accurate would be to count how many times every name is mentioned here.
Quite a few symphony cyclists there, unsurprisingly.
I think it is more accurately a reflection of what people's interests are. I have always recognized that we who are actually interested in the composer are far outnumbered by the record collectors, it is just the way of things, no insult intended. But the Composer Page format lends itself to biography and history. I have made a concerted, long term effort to encourage people to post even their recording posts in the Haus, thereby keeping all things Haydn together, but it does tend to skew the page totals. On the other hand, everyone now knows that if they want to know anything about Haydn, bio OR recording, they can go to one place for it. Which is good and bad, given you have to search a bit more... :-\
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Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 17, 2015, 05:38:14 AM
That is truly the greatest thing I've gathered from GMG, exploring new works from composers I either never knew about or was not very familiar with.
+1
An interesting list, but I doubt it has much meaning. Concerning Brian, another board I frequent hardly ever mentions the man.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 17, 2015, 08:04:56 AM
I think it is more accurately a reflection of what people's interests are. I have always recognized that we who are actually interested in the composer are far outnumbered by the record collectors, it is just the way of things, no insult intended. But the Composer Page format lends itself to biography and history. I have made a concerted, long term effort to encourage people to post even their recording posts in the Haus, thereby keeping all things Haydn together, but it does tend to skew the page totals. On the other hand, everyone now knows that if they want to know anything about Haydn, bio OR recording, they can go to one place for it. Which is good and bad, given you have to search a bit more... :-\
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Well, at some extent, you have built
da Haus this way, but - as a matter of fact - this is not the way that the vast majority of Composer's Pages are built. For better or for worse, this is basically a collectors' forum; learned collectors, but collectors at the end.
Quote from: Gordo on May 17, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
Well, at some extent, you have built da Haus this way, but - as a matter of fact - this is not the way that the vast majority of Composer's Pages are built. For better or for worse, this is basically a collectors' forum; learned collectors, but collectors at the end.
Yes, you are right on all counts. I feel as though a person who starts a thread should take ownership of it to some extent. There are any number of pages here where the OP never even came back to deal with replies. They just started a page for the sake of doing so. But if a thread is well-tended, then it is a benefit for everyone who seeks information in the future. A legacy, as it were. :)
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Quote from: Sammy on May 17, 2015, 08:46:39 AM
Concerning Brian, another board I frequent hardly ever mentions the man.
The Brian thread here is unusual in being the unofficial forum for the Havergal Brian Society, on which members discuss anything and everything, Brian-related or not - the death of British light entertainer Keith Harris recently, for example. (I'm a former HBS member myself, and of course a huge Keith Harris and Orville fan, so I'm not criticising this practice - just observing.)
Quote from: DaveF on May 17, 2015, 01:48:14 PM
The Brian thread here is unusual in being the unofficial forum for the Havergal Brian Society, on which members discuss anything and everything, Brian-related or not - the death of British light entertainer Keith Harris recently, for example. (I'm a former HBS member myself, and of course a huge Keith Harris and Orville fan, so I'm not criticising this practice - just observing.)
Yes, I noted this phenomenon a long time ago, and I think it is a reasonable, harmless practice that is good for the forum and those members, and there is even a solid nugget of Brian info in there every now and again. :)
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IMHO, the amount of pages attributed to certain composers in the Composer Discussion at GMG only says something (i.c. everything ;)) about the amount of pages attibuted to those certain composers in the Composer Discussion at GMG.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 17, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
Yes, you are right on all counts. I feel as though a person who starts a thread should take ownership of it to some extent. There are any number of pages here where the OP never even came back to deal with replies. They just started a page for the sake of doing so. But if a thread is well-tended, then it is a benefit for everyone who seeks information in the future. A legacy, as it were. :)
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I understand exactly what are you saying. A feeling of ownership and responsibility in regards the threads that we start.
It can sound a bit ridiculous, but this is the reason why, over the years, I have only started two or three threads here: I'm not sure if I can take care of them. Actually, I think I have never started a properly musical thread. I know it can sound a bit prudish, but it's the way I think.
:)
Quote from: Marc on May 17, 2015, 02:11:53 PM
IMHO, the amount of pages attributed to certain composers in the Composer Discussion at GMG only says something (i.c. everything ;)) about the amount of pages attibuted to those certain composers in the Composer Discussion at GMG.
I doubt it.
Quote from: vandermolen on May 16, 2015, 10:09:46 PM
Thanks that is interesting. No Miaskovsky :'(
Thankfully few so benighted as to diss him, thus no discussion. Unlike that Haydn fellow. ;)
Quote from: Ken B on May 17, 2015, 03:07:45 PM
Thankfully few so benighted as to diss him, thus no discussion. Unlike that Haydn fellow. ;)
Hell, even
I like Miaskovsky! 0:)
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Quote from: Gordo on May 17, 2015, 02:17:53 PM
I understand exactly what are you saying. A feeling of ownership and responsibility in regards the threads that we start.
It can sound a bit ridiculous, but this is the reason why, over the years, I have only started two or three threads here: I'm not sure if I can take care of them. Actually, I think I have never started a properly musical thread. I know it can sound a bit prudish, but it's the way I think.
:)
Well, short of necessity (something to do with my job) or questions non-musical in The Diner, I have only started a very few threads myself in the last 10 years. And for just that reason. My own wish is for fewer, better threads. Can't have it all though, can we? :)
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This thread is half in jest, as I know the numbers does not represent much, just an interesting statistics. A truly popular composer tends to be spread out into multiple threads, such as Beethoven into sonatas, symphonies, and Bach into Cantatas, Goldberg Variations, piano vs. harpsichord, etc.
Quote from: springrite on May 17, 2015, 04:57:23 PM
[....] A truly popular composer tends to be spread out into multiple threads, such as Beethoven into sonatas, symphonies, and Bach into Cantatas, Goldberg Variations, piano vs. harpsichord, etc.
Indeed.
Plus several other variables and indicators.
Enthousiastic behaviour of one particular member for instance, who gets about half a dozen enthousiastic
beliebers, they're blabbering around for over 100 pages, whist 99% of the other members are listening to other composers and only mentioning their listening experiences once in a month in the 'what are you listening to' (et al) threads.
(Like that nutcase [X], who suddenly went mad about [Y] and his pipe instrument some years ago, and probably made some members believe that the most popular music on this board was [Y]'s organ music.):P
Thanks, Paul, for this scientifically conducted, strict empirical proof of the relative importance of composers. ;) Ranking them again, makes:
1. Haydn: 487
2. Brian: 340
3. Henning: 250
4. Elgar: 148
5. Bruckner: 124
6. Vaughan Williams: 120
7. Sibelius: 89
8. Shostakovich: 74
9. Beethoven: 72
10. Prokofiev: 68
11. Stockhausen: 56 (mostly non James)
12. Schnittke: 48
13. Brahms: 44
14. Delius: 39
15. Martinu: 35
16. Koechlin: 31
17. Bax: 31
18. Bach: 23
19. Beckenbauer: 0
(As Monty Python would remark, wonder what Beckenbauer is doing here).
Quote from: Christo on May 18, 2015, 02:56:53 AM
Thanks, Paul, for this scientifically conducted, strict empirical proof of the relative importance of composers. ;) Ranking them again, makes:
1. Haydn: 487
2. Brian: 340
3. Henning: 250
4. Elgar: 148
5. Bruckner: 124
6. Vaughan Williams: 120
7. Sibelius: 89
8. Shostakovich: 74
9. Beethoven: 72
10. Prokofiev: 68
11. Stockhausen: 56 (mostly non James)
12. Schnittke: 48
13. Brahms: 44
14. Delius: 39
15. Martinu: 35
16. Koechlin: 31
17. Bax: 31
18. Bach: 23
19. Beckenbauer: 0
(As Monty Python would remark, wonder what Beckenbauer is doing here).
Yes, and I wonder what empirically happened to Mahler (165).
And Mozart (47).
EDIT: mind you, the formerly composer section discussion with professor Newman about W.A. Mozart went up to 88 pages, until the moderators decided to move it (along with its drunk participants) to The Diner.
So: Mozart (135).
(Et cetera.)
And Ottevanger (111) ;) ;)
I protest most vehemently!!!! >:D
There is clearly a conspiracy by obscure forces to ignore Pierre Boulez (at 47 pages) in this ground-breaking statistic! I demand that immediate corrrective action be taken (accompnaied by aplogies from the perpetrators of this affront)!!! ;D
Quote from: ritter on May 18, 2015, 03:10:02 AM
I protest most vehemently!!!! >:D
There is clearly a conspiration by obscure forces to ignore Pierre Boulez (at 47 pages) in this ground-breaking statistic! I demand that immediate corrrective action be taken (accompnaied by aplogies from the perpetrators of this affront)!!! ;D
YES!
GMG Top 51 (# posts)
Haydn's Haus 9732
Brian 6810
Mahler Mania Rebooted 3284
Elgar's Hillside 2943
Bruckner's Abbey 2467
Vaughan Williams Veranda 2383
Snowshoed Sibelius 1769
Dmitri's Dacha 1473
The Carter Corner 1461
Beethoven 1428
Prokofiev's Paddy Wagon 1350
Stockhausen's Spaceship 1118
Alfred Schnittke 940
Boulez 934
Mozart 928
Brahms 864
Pettersson 850
Delius 771
Chez Stravinsky 716
Martinů 686
Sir Arnold Bax 618
Koechlin 617
Strauss's House 612
Xenakis's Xen 502
Viva Vivaldi! 468
Bach's Bungalow 459
Ligeti 432
Tippett 418
Schubert 414
Cage
Schönberg 403
Langgaard 395
Ives
Liszt 392
Feldman 387
Messiaen
Holmboe 377
Braga-Santos 376
Domenico Scarlatti 371
Dvorak's Den 365
Debussy's Corner 360
Bartók 355
William Schuman 351
Penderecki 349
Nielsen 345
Britten 327
Schumann 322
Tchaikovsky 319
Janáček (Leoš' Lair) 317
Daniel Jones 301
Hector Berlioz 300
Franz Schubert doesn´t even have a dedicated generic thread. ;D
Quote from: Florestan on May 18, 2015, 05:20:10 AM
Franz Schubert doesn´t even have a dedicated generic thread. ;D
He does: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,7294
Quote from: Florestan on May 18, 2015, 05:20:10 AM
Franz Schubert doesn´t even have a dedicated generic thread. ;D
Quote from: sanantonio on May 18, 2015, 05:25:09 AM
He does: http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,7294
The 29th most popular with 414 replies, too. 8)
My bad, then. :D
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 17, 2015, 03:27:21 PM
Hell, even I like Miaskovsky! 0:)
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The quartet which the
Pacificas folded in with one of the instalments of their
Shostakovich cycle, was genuinely value added.
Quote from: Christo on May 18, 2015, 02:56:53 AM
Thanks, Paul, for this scientifically conducted, strict empirical proof of the relative importance of composers.
But:Quote from: springrite on May 17, 2015, 04:57:23 PM
This thread is half in jest, as I know the numbers does not represent much, just an interesting statistics. A truly popular composer tends to be spread out into multiple threads, such as Beethoven into sonatas, symphonies, and Bach into Cantatas, Goldberg Variations, piano vs. harpsichord, etc.
Quote from: karlhenning on May 18, 2015, 09:41:40 AM
The quartet which the Pacificas folded in with one of the instalments of their Shostakovich cycle, was genuinely value added.
I am still debating myself whether the 4? non-Shosty-quartets would be worth that moderate investment (with 4 Shosty-cycles on the shelf I clearly cannot justify it for the Shosty...)
Quote from: karlhenning on May 18, 2015, 09:46:36 AM
But:
Quote from: North Star on May 18, 2015, 03:42:35 AM
Daniel Jones 301
Hector Berlioz 300
So you're saying that
Daniel Jones might
not be more popular as
Berlioz at GMG,
Karl? Sounds unlikely. . .
Quote from: Jo498 on May 18, 2015, 10:16:26 AM
I am still debating myself whether the 4? non-Shosty-quartets would be worth that moderate investment (with 4 Shosty-cycles on the shelf I clearly cannot justify it for the Shosty...)
The
Weinberg is also a superb piece. (And personally, I consider the
Prokofiev and
Schnittke above question 8) )
Quote from: North Star on May 18, 2015, 10:16:44 AM
So you're saying that Daniel Jones might not be more popular as Berlioz at GMG, Karl? Sounds unlikely. . .
You rightly chide me for too little
Berlioz fervor of late . . . .
Quote from: karlhenning on May 18, 2015, 10:30:44 AM
You rightly chide me for too little Berlioz fervor of late . . . .
Well, they all fall too far from Henning to be taken seriously...
Karlo and Karl --- let this be the one and only statistics lesson which as per MRA¨s thread you badly needed. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Florestan on May 18, 2015, 12:35:00 PM
Karlo and Karl --- let this be the one and only statistics lesson which as per MRA¨s thread you badly needed.
That statistics only works 98% of the time? Thanks for reminding us.
Quote from: North Star on May 18, 2015, 01:58:23 PM
That statistics only works 98% of the time? Thanks for reminding us.
98.4%. Don't round it off!