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Title: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: vandermolen on January 14, 2016, 08:44:29 AM
Was so sorry to hear this news today. He was a very fine actor and evidently very approachable and nice in real life. A friend of mine met him and said that he was absolutely charming. My favourite screen villain in 'Die Hard' as Hans Gruber and well known through Harry Potter etc. Same age as David Bowie:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsuae/alan-rickman-british-actor-dies-aged-69/ar-BBobR08?ocid=binganswers
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 14, 2016, 08:54:41 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 14, 2016, 08:44:29 AM
Was so sorry to hear this news today. He was a very fine actor and evidently very approachable and nice in real life. A friend of mine met him and said that he was absolutely charming. My favourite screen villain in 'Die Hard' as Hans Gruber and well known through Harry Potter etc. Same age as David Bowie:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsuae/alan-rickman-british-actor-dies-aged-69/ar-BBobR08?ocid=binganswers

Only 69, which makes him just two years older than me! One wonders whether so many of these fine British actors (Timothy Spall, Imelda Staunton, Richard Griffiths, Maggie Smith also come to mind, though the last of these will also be remembered for Downton Abbey) are now best-known for being tapped as Harry Potter characters. If you want to see a very young Alan Rickman, look for his performance as Tybalt in the 1978 BBC-TV Romeo and Juliet.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Brian on January 14, 2016, 09:57:18 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 14, 2016, 08:54:41 AM
Only 69, which makes him just two years older than me! One wonder whether so many of these fine British actors (Timothy Spall, Imelda Staunton, Richard Griffiths, Maggie Smith also come to mind, though the last of these will also be remembered for Downton Abbey) are now best-known for being tapped as Harry Potter characters. If you want to see a very young Alan Rickman, look for his performance as Tybalt in the 1978 BBC-TV Romeo and Juliet.

I like to think of Harry Potter as a sort of reward for being a great British actor. That the series was, in essence, a Lifetime Achievement Award, or the UK version of a Kennedy Center Honor. If you were a British actor, and you were great, you got invited to be in Harry Potter as a badge (in my imagination). Not just the names you listed, but Branagh and Emma Thompson, Jim Broadbent, John Hurt, Helena Bonham Carter, Fiona Shaw, Cleese, Fiennes, Gambon, Thewlis, Oldman...

In fact, the films are formidable contenders if you were debating the best-cast movies of all time.

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Alan Rickman was one of the greats, and a true class act. (His genius for playing the villain concealed what a good man he seemed to be.) I wish he could have had more years to do more, but he leaves a hell of a legacy.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Brian on January 14, 2016, 09:58:41 AM
Great, now I'm imagining what it would have been like if Mike Leigh had been put in charge of Harry Potter.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 14, 2016, 10:09:29 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 14, 2016, 09:58:41 AM
Great, now I'm imagining what it would have been like if Mike Leigh had been put in charge of Harry Potter.

That would be topsy-turvy indeed.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: vandermolen on January 14, 2016, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 14, 2016, 09:57:18 AM
I like to think of Harry Potter as a sort of reward for being a great British actor. That the series was, in essence, a Lifetime Achievement Award, or the UK version of a Kennedy Center Honor. If you were a British actor, and you were great, you got invited to be in Harry Potter as a badge (in my imagination). Not just the names you listed, but Branagh and Emma Thompson, Jim Broadbent, John Hurt, Helena Bonham Carter, Fiona Shaw, Cleese, Fiennes, Gambon, Thewlis, Oldman...

In fact, the films are formidable contenders if you were debating the best-cast movies of all time.

-

Alan Rickman was one of the greats, and a true class act. (His genius for playing the villain concealed what a good man he seemed to be.) I wish he could have had more years to do more, but he leaves a hell of a legacy.
Totally agree with your last paragraph.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: vandermolen on January 14, 2016, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 14, 2016, 08:54:41 AM
Only 69, which makes him just two years older than me! One wonder whether so many of these fine British actors (Timothy Spall, Imelda Staunton, Richard Griffiths, Maggie Smith also come to mind, though the last of these will also be remembered for Downton Abbey) are now best-known for being tapped as Harry Potter characters. If you want to see a very young Alan Rickman, look for his performance as Tybalt in the 1978 BBC-TV Romeo and Juliet.
I'll look out for Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 14, 2016, 11:14:18 AM
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 14, 2016, 08:54:41 AMMaggie Smith...will also be remembered for Downton Abbey)

She'll always be Miss Jean Brodie to me.

Sarge
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: SimonNZ on January 14, 2016, 11:59:50 AM
RIP Alan.

I'm glad I don't have the Harry Potter association. For me he's Jamie in Truly, Madly, Deeply, Eamon de Valera in Michael Collins and Dr. Lazarus in Galaxy Quest.

Once again I'm made to think its a pity there isn't a trade in bootlegging theatre productions, particularly of Shakespeare, as a number of his (Rickman's), like so many, sound so exciting but are lost to the sands of time and the fading memories of a lucky few.

It might seem an odd tribute, but I'm playing this right now:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41pgdHJ0XzL._SS280.jpg)

as he does "The Bell" section on this version. "Graaand Piiaaaano...!"

Haven't seen either of the two films he directed: The Winter Guest and A Little Chaos. Will watch those in the very near future.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: vandermolen on January 14, 2016, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: SimonNZ on January 14, 2016, 11:59:50 AM
RIP Alan.

I'm glad I don't have the Harry Potter association. For me he's Jamie in Truly, Madly, Deeply, Eamon de Valera in Michael Collins and Dr. Lazarus in Galaxy Quest.

Once again I'm made to think its a pity there isn't a trade in bootlegging theatre productions, particularly of Shakespeare, as a number of his, like so many, sound so exciting but are lost to the sands of time and the fading memories of a lucky few.

It might seem an odd tribute, but I'm playing this right now:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41pgdHJ0XzL._SS280.jpg)

as he does "The Bell" section on this version. "Graaand Piiaaaano...!"

Haven't seen either of the two films he directed: The Winter Guest and A Little Chaos. Will watch those in the very near future.
Yes, I haven't seen Harry Potter either. He was a suitably duplicitous de Valera in Michael Collins. He is a great loss.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: jlaurson on January 14, 2016, 01:29:34 PM
Hanz Gruubah iz gone? Noooooooo!

In my cinematographically uncouth ways, I mainly knew him as the kick-ass villain in Die Hard and the man who made Kevin Costner's "Robin Hood" watching (3 times).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8y0-pv7zUc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8y0-pv7zUc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8oXBe_Rp8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8oXBe_Rp8)
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Brian on January 14, 2016, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on January 14, 2016, 11:14:18 AM
She'll always be Miss Jean Brodie to me.

Sarge
To me Maggie Smith will also be memorable from a little movie called 'Keeping Mum' with Rowan Atkinson, Kristin Scott Thomas, and Patrick Swayze. The summary is one of the best summaries of any movie ever: serial killer Mary Poppins. In practice it's not quite as incredible as it sounds, but it is still a whole bunch of fun. How could it not be?
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 14, 2016, 01:45:52 PM
Quote from: Brian on January 14, 2016, 01:33:26 PM'Keeping Mum'...is still a whole bunch of fun.

Have not seen it but just watched the trailer. It does look like fun. I'll try to see it.

Sarge
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Papy Oli on January 14, 2016, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: Brian on January 14, 2016, 01:33:26 PM
To me Maggie Smith will also be memorable from a little movie called 'Keeping Mum' with Rowan Atkinson, Kristin Scott Thomas, and Patrick Swayze. The summary is one of the best summaries of any movie ever: serial killer Mary Poppins. In practice it's not quite as incredible as it sounds, but it is still a whole bunch of fun. How could it not be?

Ah, Excellent movie this one  ;D
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Drasko on January 14, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
Massively sad to hear this.   

Magnificent actor.

Quote from: SimonNZ on January 14, 2016, 11:59:50 AM
Once again I'm made to think its a pity there isn't a trade in bootlegging theatre productions, particularly of Shakespeare, as a number of his, like so many, sound so exciting but are lost to the sands of time and the fading memories of a lucky few.

Yes! I would absolutely love to see him as Vicomte de Valmont in Hampton's adaptation of Dangerous Liaisons (his big breakthrough role on stage). There are few brief clips on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/v/4gWRwM-NvWE

Also Antony and Cleopatra with Helen Mirren ...

Rip Alan
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: (poco) Sforzando on January 14, 2016, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: Draško on January 14, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
Also Antony and Cleopatra with Helen Mirren ...

Well, perhaps not that one:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/a-case-of-hype-and-fall-as-rickman-and-mirren-are-put-to-the-sword-1180144.html
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Mirror Image on January 14, 2016, 04:58:12 PM
I can't say I'm very familiar with Rickman's work, but RIP nevertheless.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: vandermolen on January 15, 2016, 12:36:38 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 14, 2016, 04:58:12 PM
I can't say I'm very familiar with Rickman's work, but RIP nevertheless.
His villain in the original 'Die Hard' film is very memorable but there is so much more to his art. Lots of TV coverage yesterday and some actors like Juliet Stevenson (his co-star in 'Truly, Madly, Deeply') clearly very upset; 'we have lost our King' she said on Newsnight last night. He was a theatre actor for many years before making his movie deput in 'Die Hard' in his early 40s.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: SimonNZ on January 15, 2016, 12:40:16 AM
I don't suppose it pays well, but its a pity he didn't do more audiobook work with his great voice. There's a set of Thomas Hardy's Return Of The Native, but sadly little else.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51iiny1JMFL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Jo498 on January 15, 2016, 01:13:44 AM
Quote from: Brian on January 14, 2016, 01:33:26 PM
To me Maggie Smith will also be memorable from a little movie called 'Keeping Mum' with Rowan Atkinson, Kristin Scott Thomas, and Patrick Swayze. The summary is one of the best summaries of any movie ever: serial killer Mary Poppins. In practice it's not quite as incredible as it sounds, but it is still a whole bunch of fun. How could it not be?
It is pretty good. It was rather confusing for me, though, because for some reason I was convinced that the Smith character would be in some Miss-Marple-role...

I am afraid I have seen Rickman only in the somewhat cardboard villain roles, like the Sheriff in Robin Hood and Snape (and I have only seen the first 3 Potter movies) so I can hardly appreciate the full range of his art.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: vandermolen on January 15, 2016, 01:55:00 AM
Quote from: SimonNZ on January 15, 2016, 12:40:16 AM
I don't suppose it pays well, but its a pity he didn't do more audiobook work with his great voice. There's a set of Thomas Hardy's Return Of The Native, but sadly little else.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51iiny1JMFL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
That's interesting I listen to them in the car. I studied 'Return of the Native' for A Level so I will definitely look out for that one. Thanks for alerting us to it.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Pat B on January 15, 2016, 11:24:27 AM
Quote from: Jo498 on January 15, 2016, 01:13:44 AM
I am afraid I have seen Rickman only in the somewhat cardboard villain roles, like the Sheriff in Robin Hood and Snape (and I have only seen the first 3 Potter movies) so I can hardly appreciate the full range of his art.

Snape gets more interesting starting in 5 (the movie of 4 is really bad BTW). Rickman (and Branagh in 2) stole the show as far as I'm concerned.

He also made Dogma a lot better than it would've been without him.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: drogulus on January 15, 2016, 04:33:27 PM

     My favorite Rickman: Sense and Sensibility, The Barchester Chronicles, and Die Hard.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: vandermolen on January 15, 2016, 11:29:17 PM
Have ordered 'Galaxy Quest' which looks fun.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2016, 03:28:41 AM
Quote from: Pat B on January 15, 2016, 11:24:27 AM
He also made Dogma a lot better than it would've been without him.

Yeah, he was great as the angel Metatron. His body was modeled after a Ken doll  ;D

(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/berlin/AlanRickmanDogma.jpg)


Sarge
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Scion7 on January 16, 2016, 04:34:57 AM
"By Grabthor's hammer . . . . . . . . . what a savings."
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Cato on January 16, 2016, 05:01:08 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 15, 2016, 11:29:17 PM
Have ordered 'Galaxy Quest' which looks fun.

We just revisited Galaxy Quest last night.  Canadian actor Enrico Colantoni is also really fun as the naive, not-quite-understanding-the-situation alien.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Sergeant Rock on January 16, 2016, 05:19:47 AM
Quote from: Scion7 on January 16, 2016, 04:34:57 AM
"By Grabthor's hammer . . . . . . . . . what a savings."

https://www.youtube.com/v/kgv7U3GYlDY
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: Scion7 on January 16, 2016, 09:44:03 AM
"I've lost all shreds of human dignity."

:-P

Sort of like what Mozart felt in Amadeus playing the keyboard for the noble's dogs.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: vandermolen on January 16, 2016, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 16, 2016, 05:01:08 AM
We just revisited Galaxy Quest last night.  Canadian actor Enrico Colantoni is also really fun as the naive, not-quite-understanding-the-situation alien.
Really look forward to seeing it.
Title: Re: Alan Rickman RIP
Post by: LKB on April 29, 2023, 08:12:55 PM
Google doodle currently features Alan Rickman. 8)