Poll
Question:
Which do you like the most? pick up to 3
Option 1: 1
votes: 1
Option 2: 2
votes: 1
Option 3: 3
votes: 0
Option 4: 4
votes: 0
Option 5: 5
votes: 0
Option 6: 6
votes: 0
Option 7: 7
votes: 0
Option 8: 8
votes: 0
Option 9: 9
votes: 0
Option 10: 10
votes: 0
Option 11: 11
votes: 0
Option 12: 12
votes: 0
Option 13: 13
votes: 0
Option 14: 14
votes: 0
Option 15: 15
votes: 0
Option 16: 16
votes: 0
Option 17: 17
votes: 1
Option 18: 18
votes: 0
Option 19: 19
votes: 0
Option 20: 20
votes: 0
Option 21: 21
votes: 0
Option 22: 22
votes: 1
Option 23: 23
votes: 0
Option 24: 24
votes: 0
Option 25: 25
votes: 0
Option 26: 26
votes: 0
Option 27: 27
votes: 0
Option 28: 28
votes: 0
Option 29: 29
votes: 0
Option 30: 30
votes: 0
Option 31: 31
votes: 3
Option 32: 32
votes: 0
Option 33: 33
votes: 1
Option 34: 34
votes: 0
Option 35: 35
votes: 0
Option 36: 36
votes: 0
Option 37: 37
votes: 0
Option 38: 38
votes: 0
Option 39: 39
votes: 1
Option 40: 40
votes: 0
Option 41: 41
votes: 0
Option 42: 42
votes: 0
Option 43: 43
votes: 0
Option 44: 44
votes: 0
Option 45: 45
votes: 2
Option 46: 46
votes: 1
Option 47: 47
votes: 0
Option 48: 48
votes: 0
Option 49: 49
votes: 2
Option 50: 50
votes: 0
Option 51: 51
votes: 1
Option 52: 52
votes: 1
Option 53: 53
votes: 0
Option 54: 54
votes: 0
Option 55: 55
votes: 0
Option 56: 56
votes: 0
Option 57: 57
votes: 0
Option 58: 58
votes: 0
Option 59: 59
votes: 0
Option 60: 60
votes: 2
Option 61: 61
votes: 1
Option 62: 62
votes: 0
Option 63: 63
votes: 0
Option 64: 64
votes: 0
Option 65: 65
votes: 0
Option 66: 66
votes: 0
Option 67: 67
votes: 1
Option 68: 68
votes: 0
Option 69: 69
votes: 0
Option 70: 70
votes: 0
Option 71: 71
votes: 0
Option 72: 72
votes: 0
Option 73: 73
votes: 1
Option 74: 74
votes: 0
Option 75: 75
votes: 0
Option 76: 76
votes: 0
Option 77: 77
votes: 0
Option 78: 78
votes: 0
Option 79: 79
votes: 0
Option 80: 80
votes: 3
Option 81: 81
votes: 0
Option 82: 82
votes: 1
Option 83: 83
votes: 1
Option 84: 84
votes: 1
Option 85: 85
votes: 0
Option 86: 86
votes: 0
Option 87: 87
votes: 0
Option 88: 88
votes: 4
Option 89: 89
votes: 0
Option 90: 90
votes: 1
Option 91: 91
votes: 0
Option 92: 92
votes: 3
Option 93: 93
votes: 2
Option 94: 94
votes: 1
Option 95: 95
votes: 0
Option 96: 96
votes: 0
Option 97: 97
votes: 0
Option 98: 98
votes: 0
Option 99: 99
votes: 1
Option 100: 100
votes: 4
Option 101: 101
votes: 2
Option 102: 102
votes: 5
Option 103: 103
votes: 3
Option 104: 104
votes: 8
Option 105: A
votes: 0
Option 106: B
votes: 0
Segerstam is next :)
31 "Hornsignal"
83 "Hen"
99 "Cat"
Sarge
My answer changes constantly, but right now:
80 (which badly needs a nickname to encapsulate its eccentricities and power!)
82 "Bear"
93 "Flatulent"
Quote from: Brian on July 27, 2016, 04:36:52 AM
My answer changes constantly, but right now:
80 (which badly needs a nickname to encapsulate its eccentricities and power!)
82 "Bear"
93 "Flatulent"
If Jessop had allowed five, 80 and 93 would have made my list. Even with three, I had to think long and hard before eliminating them.
Sarge
3 is not enough. This is roughly like naming one *movement* from Beethoven's or Bruckner's 9 symphonies
Quote from: Jo498 on July 27, 2016, 04:44:11 AM
3 is not enough. This is roughly like naming one *movement* from Beethoven's or Bruckner's 9 symphonies
My current list of favorite Haydn symphonies contains thirty-one...and that's still not enough ;D
Sarge
Quote from: Jo498 on July 27, 2016, 04:44:11 AM
3 is not enough.
Come on, Jo. Pretend there's a gun to your head: now pick three!
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 27, 2016, 04:41:35 AM
If Jessop had allowed five, 80 and 93 would have made my list. Even with three, I had to think long and hard before eliminating them.
Sarge
I thought hard about 45, 59, 67, 92, 95, and 104, too.
Quote from: Jo498 on July 27, 2016, 04:44:11 AM
3 is not enough. This is roughly like naming one *movement* from Beethoven's or Bruckner's 9 symphonies
Last year's Haydn symphony poll was "top ten"!
So, my hundreds of Haydn recordings have suddenly disappeared from the earth, and only parts of 3 of them remain. Which parts do I wish they were?
45, simply because it is brilliant from beginning to end.
92, it is a non-stop array of unique little items which add up to a great trip.
100, because dammit, I like Turkish percussion and always will.
This jessop person is a brutal animal... :D
8)
I picked 45, 88 and 102. As essential for me I'd add also
103
104
99
97
92
90
86
83
82
80
70
44
31
...
There are few Haydn symphonies I could do without but if I keep thinking about ones I want to keep in favoritest lists I will end up with about 50 or so...
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 27, 2016, 05:00:32 AM
So, my hundreds of Haydn recordings have suddenly disappeared from the earth, and only parts of 3 of them remain. Which parts do I wish they were?
45, simply because it is brilliant from beginning to end.
92, it is a non-stop array of unique little items which add up to a great trip.
100, because dammit, I like Turkish percussion and always will.
This jessop person is a brutal animal... :D
8)
Haha! I picked 2, secure in the knowledge that a third one could be potentially any other one! 52 and 92 aaaaand all the rest. 8)
I do believe Haydn wrote by far the most interesting symphonies in the latter half of the 18th century. :)
Quote from: jessop on July 27, 2016, 02:26:44 PM
Haha! I picked 2, secure in the knowledge that a third one could be potentially any other one! 52 and 92 aaaaand all the rest. 8)
Yes, 52 and 92...both included on my List of 31 Favorites.
Sarge
As this is always changing, my list today would be...
49 "La passione"
80 "La syncopation"
98 "La solo"
Quote from: Brian on July 27, 2016, 04:36:52 AM
80 (which badly needs a nickname to encapsulate its eccentricities and power!)
See above?
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on July 27, 2016, 05:00:32 AM
45, simply because it is brilliant from beginning to end.
I cried leaving out 45, it's the only Haydn score I own, and it's one of his best. A truly unique composition from any era.
Quote from: Jo498 on July 27, 2016, 04:44:11 AM
3 is not enough. This is roughly like naming one *movement* from Beethoven's or Bruckner's 9 symphonies
Marcia Funebre from Symphony No. 3
Finale of Symphony No. 8
[drops mic]
Every single one is a gem. For the needs of this poll I voted for:
1
94
104
In addition to the above, my list of perennial favourites includes:
3
6
7
8
13
14
15
16
19
20
22
23
27
32
33
34
35
40
41
42
45
49
68
69
76
79
85
88
89
90
93
97
98
101
I voted for 67, 84 and 102. Strongly considered 46.
An extended favourites list would also include 44, 47, 68, 76, 80, 82, 83, 85, 86, 88, 90, 92, 93, 94, 98, 99, 100, 101, 103 and 104, at very least.
46 is probably my favorite and the most interesting of the major key symphonies around 1770, I forgot to mention it further above.
Coming to the conclusion that I need to listen to everybody's favorites "for research"!
Where do you guys find the nicknames of 98 and 99?
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on July 28, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
Where do you guys find the nicknames of 98 and 99?
GMG has invented several nicknames for ourselves!
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on July 28, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
Where do you guys find the nicknames of 98 and 99?
Quote from: Brian on July 28, 2016, 11:39:28 AM
GMG has invented several nicknames for ourselves!
"The Stumbling Goat" (78) is another. A Lethevich coinage.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 27, 2016, 04:10:25 AM
31 "Hornsignal"
83 "Hen"
99 "Cat"
Sarge
I love 31! Especially Hogwood's recording with the harsh, braying horns.
I picked 31, 88, and 60. I also would add 46, 93, and some of the really early ones, too.
Technically have not heard all of them - I have 3 box-sets of LP's and some others here and there on other CD's/albums.
Off the top: 104
100
Who voted for number 1?
Quote from: jessop on July 28, 2016, 06:15:18 PM
Who voted for number 1?
Quote from: Wanderer on July 28, 2016, 12:27:07 AM
Every single one is a gem. For the needs of this poll I voted for:
1
94
104
1 is truly terrific - my favorite of the first ten (sorry, 6/7/8 trilogy) in its directness, simplicity, and "everything good about Haydn in a little bite-sized morsel" quality.
I'm the only 39 voter??
Quote from: Brian on July 28, 2016, 07:41:39 PM
1 is truly terrific - my favorite of the first ten (sorry, 6/7/8 trilogy) in its directness, simplicity, and "everything good about Haydn in a little bite-sized morsel" quality.
1 is excellent, and imo one of the strongest of the first 10, but for whatever reason I tend to listen to 9 more often.
I think 6/7/8 and as far as I recall also 3 are stronger than 1 (do not remember 9).
39 has two of the best outer movements of the egdy Sturm&Drang type but the andante is trite and disappointing, so for me this will always be slightly behind 44, 45 etc.
As 67 and 68 have been mentioned, I should probably revisit them (I have most of the 60s numbers as somewhat deservedly lesser known in mind).
Quote from: Ken B on July 28, 2016, 08:09:49 PM
I'm the only 39 voter??
You shouldn't be, it's a great piece, especially the first movement. That stinking poll starter screwed up the world when he didn't allow voting for all 106... >:(
8)
I only know 23 of them, and it would still take me forever to figure out which ones to list as a top 3.
Quote from: Jo498 on July 28, 2016, 11:08:39 PM
I think 6/7/8 and as far as I recall also 3 are stronger than 1 (do not remember 9).
Yeah, I said "favorite", not "best". 67 is notable for two features - a witty
col legno passage in the slow movement, and a bonus slow movement in the middle of the finale.
Quote from: Wanderer on July 28, 2016, 12:27:07 AM
1
Quote from: Brian on July 28, 2016, 07:41:39 PM
1 is truly terrific - my favorite of the first ten
Quote from: jessop on July 28, 2016, 08:46:14 PM
1 is excellent, and imo one of the strongest of the first 10
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/bUTTHEAD.gif)
From the first ten, 1 and 5 make my list Top 31 list. I especially like Fischer's performance of No.1: perfect first movement tempo and great horns.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on July 29, 2016, 07:13:22 AM
...my list Top 31 list.
Top 31 list.
31.
Creeping Mirror-Imagism.
Quote from: Ken B on July 29, 2016, 08:46:35 AM
Top 31 list. 31.
Creeping Mirror-Imagism.
;D :D ;D
Well, John just can't make up his mind. With Haydn, though, even a Top 50 wouldn't begin to cover the favorites ;)
Sarge
Honestly, except for 82, I cannot remember any of them. So I have been listening to some of your favorites. No bad ones, but I have enjoyed 39 and 45 most of all so far. I accidentally listened to 'A' after listening to 39 and I really enjoyed that one too. I still have more to hear though, so I haven't gotten to everyone's favorites just yet...
I strongly suggest 52 being your favourite
This has inspired me to listen the 23 symphonies I own a recording of and try to pick the favourites.
I think I'll go by key...
See you back here in 23 days?
EDIT: Okay, so I can often manage a couple. See you in a couple of weeks.
Quote from: Brian on July 28, 2016, 07:41:39 PM
1 is truly terrific - my favorite of the first ten (sorry, 6/7/8 trilogy) in its directness, simplicity, and "everything good about Haydn in a little bite-sized morsel" quality.
1 is great! I think it might make a top 10 list for me. I also love 2 -- particularly the slow movement (which is a kind of slow perpetual-motion with constant 16th notes).
Quote from: Ken B on July 28, 2016, 08:09:49 PM
I'm the only 39 voter??
39 is great, too! I get the 1st movement stuck in my head out of the blue every so often. He used a major version of the opening melody in a surprise fast section of the slow movement of 79: https://youtu.be/YMRu3GK1_lc?t=856 (starting at 14:22).
Quote from: jessop on July 29, 2016, 03:44:13 PM
I strongly suggest 52 being your favourite
I strongly agree, was just listening to The Hobbit Fey's version of this great symphony a few days ago.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 29, 2016, 08:30:55 PM
I strongly agree, was just listening to The Hobbit Fey's version of this great symphony a few days ago.
The what?
Quote from: jessop on July 29, 2016, 10:42:27 PM
The what?
The Hobbit...some of us call him that with affection.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/dec11/haydn5354fey.jpg)
Sarge
OHHHH I see now. I am actually completely unfamiliar with those recordings having grown up with the Hanover Band recordings.
Quote from: jessop on July 30, 2016, 03:37:43 AM
OHHHH I see now. I am actually completely unfamiliar with those recordings having grown up with the Hanover Band recordings.
Fey's style can be an aggressive approach at times, but it's so well performed and the adjustments Fey makes add to the brilliance of Haydn's symphonies. I know my thoughts are not shared by all, but I've enjoyed the majority of these recordings. I always like to recommend these for those interested in first exploring Fey (and apparently I'm a fan of his
Haydn Beach Music Series. ;D )...
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61V%2BI4SKJeL.jpg) (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71pPH67TqsL._SX522_.jpg)
Not because they are his best (couldn't possibly get that down to three), but for personal/sentimental reasons:
22 "Philosopher", 60 "Il Distratto", 100 "Military"
Still working through and reminding myself of things, but no.98 has a good shot at making my list.
Quote from: SimonNZ on July 30, 2016, 02:56:57 PM
Not because they are his best (couldn't possibly get that down to three), but for personal/sentimental reasons:
22 "Philosopher", 60 "Il Distratto", 100 "Military"
I remember not liking 22 that much, but I only heard it once and it was over two years ago so I should listen to it again.
But I am happy to see that someone else picked 60 besides me! The last (6th) movement is hilarious (with the violins being required to "re-tune" just after the introduction). Even without that, though, I think it would still make a top 3 list for me. I like 100 a lot, too.
What sentimental reasons?
Quote from: EigenUser on July 31, 2016, 01:45:02 AM
I remember not liking 22 that much, but I only heard it once and it was over two years ago so I should listen to it again.
But I am happy to see that someone else picked 60 besides me! The last (6th) movement is hilarious (with the violins being required to "re-tune" just after the introduction). Even without that, though, I think it would still make a top 3 list for me. I like 100 a lot, too.
What sentimental reasons?
Karl Munchinger's recording of 100 was the first classical record I owned. Antonio Janigro's recording of The Philosopher I picked up shortly after. Played those albums hundreds of times in my teens and twenties, even after I acquired more Haydn and different recordings of the same works. They're just part of my dna now.
Gonna have to add 92 as a consideration - great stuff. I know I've heard this one before, but I had forgotten how much fun it is.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on July 31, 2016, 11:26:52 AM
Gonna have to add 92 as a consideration - great stuff. I know I've heard this one before, but I had forgotten how much fun it is.
Hell yeah it's great fun 8)
I'm still working through Symphonies 82-104, though not in that order. The top contenders so far have been 97, 98 and 102. Honourable mentions to 83, 92 and 100.
I still have four symphonies in E flat (84, 91, 99 and 103) and five symphonies in D (86, 93, 96, 101 and 104) to go. I hadn't realised when I chose my method that I would be leaving 4 of the symphonies from the 2nd London trip until rather late in the process. I fully expect there to be a lot of high rankings in that group.
I got it down to 5. Can't I have 5? ???
Quote from: orfeo on August 15, 2016, 07:59:35 AM
I got it down to 5. Can't I have 5? ???
Sure, go for it 8)
Sarge
"An Error Has Occurred!
You selected too many options. For this poll, you may only select 3 options."
Quote from: orfeo on August 15, 2016, 08:04:41 AM
"An Error Has Occurred!
You selected too many options. For this poll, you may only select 3 options."
I know it won't let you choose five, but I was hoping you'd simply list them in a post.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2016, 08:09:46 AM
I know it won't let you choose five, but I was hoping you'd simply list them in a post.
Sarge
We're down to 93, 98, 99, 102, 103.
Not a dud in the lot, of course.
Quote from: orfeo on August 15, 2016, 08:22:52 AM
We're down to 93, 98, 99, 102, 103.
The Fart and The Cat make the cut so far...great! 8)
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2016, 08:26:58 AM
The Fart and The Cat
May Providence keep them far distant one from another!
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2016, 08:26:58 AM
The Fart and The Cat make the cut so far...great! 8)
Sarge
Okay, I know about the Fart, but which one is the Cat and why? I forget.
Quote from: orfeo on August 15, 2016, 08:28:55 AM
Okay, I know about the Fart, but which one is the Cat and why? I forget.
My coinage...because the first movement's second theme reminds me of a cat's meow.
Sarge
Quote from: orfeo on August 15, 2016, 08:28:55 AM
Okay, I know about the Fart, but which one is the Cat and why? I forget.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2016, 08:30:44 AM
My coinage...because the first movement's second theme reminds me of a cat's meow.
№ 99 in E
b
Quote from: karlhenning on August 15, 2016, 08:32:32 AM
№ 99 in Eb
Thanks, Karl. I forgot to answer half the question ???
Sarge
I'm here for you, dear fellow.
*Listens to some of 1st movement of no.99*
Not completely crazy.
Incidentally, if we were going purely on first movements I think no.99 would be a shoo-in.
Quote from: karlhenning on August 15, 2016, 08:34:19 AM
I'm here for you, dear fellow.
At my age I need all the help I can get ;D
Quote from: orfeo on August 15, 2016, 08:37:22 AM
*Listens to some of 1st movement of no.99*
Not completely crazy.
Incidentally, if we were going purely on first movements I think no.99 would be a shoo-in.
Yes, it is brilliant and if this poll restricted us to only one symphony, I'd probably pick 99 for that reason.
Sarge
I love the first mvmt. of the 99 but I don't get the cat/meow connection at all...
Quote from: Jo498 on August 15, 2016, 08:49:06 AM
I love the first mvmt. of the 99 but I don't get the cat/meow connection at all...
Some hear it, some don't...but I recall the first time I heard the symphony (Jochum/DG) and it immediately reminded me of cats.
The first occurence is at 3:38 in the Davis performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twkF_rip0YY
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2016, 11:19:19 AM
Some hear it, some don't...but I recall the first time I heard the symphony (Jochum/DG) and it immediately reminded me of cats.
The first occurence is at 3:38 in the Davis performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twkF_rip0YY
Sarge
Is Davis a fave recording? I was thinking of listening later and waffling between Davis, Krips, Fey, and Szell...not a bad lineup.
Quote from: Brian on August 15, 2016, 11:29:16 AM
Is Davis a fave recording? I was thinking of listening later and waffling between Davis, Krips, Fey, and Szell...not a bad lineup.
I do like Davis (have the CD) but Fey's has a quite prominent clarinet that's unique. I love both...Szell, not so much in this symphony. Makes me sad, and feeling vaguely traitorous though.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2016, 11:19:19 AM
Some hear it, some don't...but I recall the first time I heard the symphony (Jochum/DG) and it immediately reminded me of cats.
The first occurence is at 3:38 in the Davis performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twkF_rip0YY
Sarge
Oh, I love that part! Never thought about cats, but the change of theme and tempo always appealed greatly. I didn't know that's the part you meant. Cats, eh... hmmmm :D
8)
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on August 15, 2016, 11:37:46 AM
I do like Davis (have the CD) but Fey's has a quite prominent clarinet that's unique. I love both...Szell, not so much in this symphony. Makes me sad, and feeling vaguely traitorous though.
Sarge
Thanks! Will be listening shortly 8)
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on August 15, 2016, 11:46:22 AM
Oh, I love that part!
Cats or no, it is a brilliant second theme. Shocking even 8) Just finished listening to Davis and now encoring with Brüggen.
Sarge
I listened to all of my top 5 today, and in the end I decided to vote for 2 here and just "waste" a vote. I wasn't prepared to separate the other candidates.
My choices were no.93 and no.102.
That's right, in the end there is The Fart and The True Miracle.
Quote from: orfeo on August 16, 2016, 01:26:50 AM
I listened to all of my top 5 today, and in the end I decided to vote for 2 here and just "waste" a vote. I wasn't prepared to separate the other candidates.
My choices were no.93 and no.102.
That's right, in the end there is The Fart and The True Miracle.
Excellent choices (but, with Haydn, there are no wrong answers 8) )
Sarge
My top 3 are 104, 101 and 45.
So far 103 104 102 in this order.