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Title: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: snyprrr on August 01, 2016, 01:21:57 PM
a) go back to JMartin Kraus(?) and all the early Haydn SQs?

b) 1975? Brahms and Late romanticism, until 1916? (sorry, sounds like a snoozer)

c) 1906- all the early 20th century giants in the last phase of Ultra-Late Romanticism, until 1926?

d) Stravinsky, Varese, and the 1919-1936 Neo-Classicism?

e) Wild 1970s? (I've been missing KHS's 'Inori' and 'Ylem')... Electro/Acoustic?...

f) Hindemith 1963- Stravinsky1971 + Pettersson + Hartmann +   ??

g) post 2000?

h) primitive? + rock?

i)

h) conservative '50s?

i) Wild 1960s?

Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on August 02, 2016, 12:57:39 AM
definitely go with i)
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: Karl Henning on August 02, 2016, 01:27:39 AM
Right here, buddy: https://soundcloud.com/adamscottneal/speaks-fixed-media-2016
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: North Star on August 02, 2016, 01:58:44 AM
Quote from: snyprrr on August 01, 2016, 01:21:57 PM
i)

h) conservative '50s?

i) Wild 1960s?
Quote from: jessop on August 02, 2016, 12:57:39 AM
definitely go with i)
which of them do you mean? :P
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on August 02, 2016, 02:17:35 AM
Quote from: North Star on August 02, 2016, 01:58:44 AM
which of them do you mean? :P
the second one is way too mainstream....first one obviously
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: North Star on August 02, 2016, 02:27:19 AM
Quote from: jessop on August 02, 2016, 02:17:35 AM
the second one is way too mainstream....first one obviously
i) i), as one might call it. . .
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: EigenUser on August 02, 2016, 02:42:00 AM
Quote from: jessop on August 02, 2016, 12:57:39 AM
definitely go with i)

John Cage?
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: Mirror Image on August 02, 2016, 07:16:21 AM
I say go with what your heart desires, snyprrr, and don't rely on other people to dictate what you should be listening to.
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: snyprrr on August 02, 2016, 07:45:13 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on August 02, 2016, 01:27:39 AM
Right here, buddy: https://soundcloud.com/adamscottneal/speaks-fixed-media-2016

It won't play 4 me. :(

Quote from: Mirror Image on August 02, 2016, 07:16:21 AM
I say go with what your heart desires, snyprrr, and don't rely on other people to dictate what you should be listening to.

but... my heart desires to hear from youuuuuuu!!!


why am I getting HVL signals all of a sudden???? hmmm...
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: Mirror Image on August 02, 2016, 08:02:05 AM
Quote from: snyprrr on August 02, 2016, 07:45:13 AM

but... my heart desires to hear from youuuuuuu!!!


why am I getting HVL signals all of a sudden???? hmmm...

Okay, then listen to some 'Populist' Copland and all will be well. :)
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on August 02, 2016, 02:13:53 PM
Actually I strongly recommend post 2000. So much cool stuff there.
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: snyprrr on August 03, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: EigenUser on August 02, 2016, 02:42:00 AM
John Cage?

funny... Cage won!!! :o


Quote from: jessop on August 02, 2016, 02:13:53 PM
Actually I strongly recommend post 2000. So much cool stuff there.

what can I say?... Late Cage sprang directly from MF!! :blank:
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on August 03, 2016, 05:50:41 PM
Listen to Pärt's Tabula Rasa!

Then, head over here http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,5263.0.html

and check out any of these suggestions, especially the 22 CD set of French organ music played by Marie-Claire Alain. Ask yourself how familiar you are with the repertoire of the greatest of all musical instruments!
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: Mandryka on August 03, 2016, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on August 01, 2016, 01:21:57 PM
a) go back to JMartin Kraus(?) and all the early Haydn SQs?

b) 1975? Brahms and Late romanticism, until 1916? (sorry, sounds like a snoozer)

c) 1906- all the early 20th century giants in the last phase of Ultra-Late Romanticism, until 1926?

d) Stravinsky, Varese, and the 1919-1936 Neo-Classicism?

e) Wild 1970s? (I've been missing KHS's 'Inori' and 'Ylem')... Electro/Acoustic?...

f) Hindemith 1963- Stravinsky1971 + Pettersson + Hartmann +   ??

g) post 2000?

h) primitive? + rock?

i)

h) conservative '50s?

i) Wild 1960s?

What about Messiaen and Barraqué and . . .? Did you ever get a Catalogue d'oiseaux? Do you know the Barraqué clarinet and vibraphone concerto? You could read Broch.

I bet you still have not got the Ferneyhough quartets.

And Scriabin and all the music he influenced. There's even a theme there - French and Russian mystical music.

Unless you'd like to join me in exploring 16th century Naples - Mayone, Macque, Gesualdo, Trabaci, Frescobaldi.



Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on August 03, 2016, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on August 03, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Late Cage sprang directly from MF!! :blank:
This is pretty much true
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: pjme on August 04, 2016, 12:34:51 AM
help Renée!

https://youtu.be/qoJruEtzmdY

Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: prémont on August 04, 2016, 03:14:50 AM
I think, snyprrr, that you should go backwards in time. To me this was endlessly rewarding.
Either you can go backwards in reversed chronological order (probably the most "palatable" way), or you may invite the shock and begin with ancient time e.g. Hildegard von Bingen.
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: ComposerOfAvantGarde on August 04, 2016, 03:17:03 AM
ooooh really listen to some Beneventan Chant. It's glorious stuff!
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: pjme on August 04, 2016, 04:13:37 AM
Thanks to the Olympic games, some contemporary Brasilian music gets played!

http://www.funarte.gov.br/musica/programacao-especial-de-musica-da-funarte-celebra-a-rio2016/

or go berserk on Marlos Nobre's Kabbalah...https://youtu.be/nW1EcYGwO30

or follow Pelle Gudmunsen-Holmgreen: https://youtu.be/kC-BUUx13CM

Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: snyprrr on August 04, 2016, 09:20:05 AM
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on August 03, 2016, 05:50:41 PM
Listen to Pärt's Tabula Rasa!

Then, head over here http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,5263.0.html

and check out any of these suggestions, especially the 22 CD set of French organ music played by Marie-Claire Alain. Ask yourself how familiar you are with the repertoire of the greatest of all musical instruments!

of course, I've been down the Arvo road before... I'm a 'Festina lente' kind of guy... yea, he would be popping into my brain shortly...

The organ? I would need uber-meditative... not feeling too much drama...

Quote from: Mandryka on August 03, 2016, 09:06:20 PM
What about Messiaen and Barraqué and . . .? Did you ever get a Catalogue d'oiseaux? Not yet...hmmm...Do you know the Barraqué clarinet and vibraphone concerto? got it... will listen...You could read Broch. ??

I bet you still have not got the Ferneyhough quartets. no....I have no excuse $$$$$

And Scriabin and all the music he influenced. perhaps, I have the disc 'Prelude to A revolution' by Jenny Lin,... lots of amorphous preludes there, whew,... yea, OK, Scriabin might come around (piano sound recommends??) There's even a theme there - French and Russian mystical music. yes,hmm

Unless you'd like to join me in exploring 16th century Naples - Mayone, Macque, Gesualdo, Trabaci, Frescobaldi. uhhhhhhhhh.... no, not the voices!!!! yea, you let me know how that's going ;D





Quote from: (: premont :) on August 04, 2016, 03:14:50 AM
I think, snyprrr, that you should go backwards in time. To me this was endlessly rewarding.
Either you can go backwards in reversed chronological order (probably the most "palatable" way), or you may invite the shock and begin with ancient time e.g. Hildegard von Bingen.
Quote from: jessop on August 04, 2016, 03:17:03 AM
ooooh really listen to some Beneventan Chant. It's glorious stuff!

I went through my HarmoniaMundi phase in the mid-90s ;)

I guess it's not common knowledge about me, but I basically started where I'm at now, just that I started with all that glorious HM chant, and Dowland, and Gesualdo, (all Penguin picks, btw, PG was my Bible at the time, so, if they said "meditative" "beautiful" "really great modern" or whatever, I tried it... and yes, their version of beautiful and mine sometimes diverged)

Maybe I could use one of those chant discs now )oh, wait, now I remember--- their sentiments didn't jibe with my newly found faith, so, despite the beautiful "sounds" of the music, I consider the sentiments not useful to my" personal", so, yes, I sold all of my ancient music,... uh, most all,... reading this, i sound like an ass... basically, I just didn't need any Marian-ism... a lot of those chants are just, forgive me, roman in their outlook... uh.... whatever, not like ANY Composer (most) I "like" is theologically on the same page, or book, or whatever.... maybe another discussion topic?..... (snyprrr shuffles away , oy, the schmolkas!!)

s1) till have that old Hildegard disc

2) Diaspora Sephardi (Savall)

3) Alred Deller recital

4) Lasso Lagrime (SONY)

5) Delalande Dies irae

6) Zelenka

7) Mozart Divertimento (the long one, few instruments)

8) La Kora du Senegal

9) Polish Ghetto Music- Sarah Gorby

8) Mozart Serenades

9) then, I count the Haydn SQ Op.20 in g-minor to be my next stop in History...



That's it in my Ancient Music Library... I figure New Ancient/Old Ancient, eh, what difference, at this time, does it make? (LOL)...

IF I WAS GOING TO BUYBUYBUY "RELIGIOUS' MUSIC I might as well at this point just GO OUTSIDE and enjoy the day as I can. music no longer holds any power like (yea, right) that anymore for me... this Cage thing sure takes one to that place...



ahhhhh, so I haven't listened to anything yet today... what oh what will it beeeeee????? mmmm....





more coffee!! :laugh:
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: XB-70 Valkyrie on August 04, 2016, 08:47:55 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on August 04, 2016, 09:20:05 AM
of course, I've been down the Arvo road before... I'm a 'Festina lente' kind of guy... yea, he would be popping into my brain shortly...

The organ? I would need uber-meditative... not feeling too much drama...

I went through my HarmoniaMundi phase in the mid-90s ;)


Much of the organ music in the set, and much of what I enjoy is very peaceful and meditative (as well as beautiful). Listen to the organ masses by Grigny, Couperin with plainchant, then go on and listen to some of the pieces by Franck, Messiaen, and Duruflé. It doesn't get much more meditative than that. Expand your horizons further to Muffat, Buxtehude, Cornet, Tunder, et al. (As I have done recently). Just do it.  :P
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: Mandryka on August 08, 2016, 12:25:46 PM
I've just been listening to something which has snyppppppprrrrrr written all over it, Cornelius Cardew's Treatise.
Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: Monsieur Croche on August 12, 2016, 11:04:11 PM
Don't throw that baby out with the bathwater!

https://www.youtube.com/v/89DS3UxKrcE

https://www.youtube.com/v/YxPAkwn6Zoo


Best regards



Title: Re: Tabula Rasa: Where to Go with My Listening?
Post by: The new erato on August 12, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Quote from: Mandryka on August 08, 2016, 12:25:46 PM
I've just been listening to something which has snyppppppprrrrrr written all over it, Cornelius Cardew's Treatise.
You mean Treatment not Treatise I suppose?  ;)