I have been invited to join here by SimonNZ.
Hi arpeggio, nice to see you here :)
Arpeggio! Great to see you!
Welcome! :)
Q
The situation in the other forum has gotten toxic. I have had bad luck with the various forums I have been involved with.
There was a sci-fi thread I recently had to leave. If one know anything about the 'puppy' movement you will know what I am talking about.
I am beginning to wonder if I have the temperament for this.
Hopefully third time will be the charm.
Quote from: arpeggio on September 05, 2016, 10:39:50 PM
The situation in the other forum has gotten toxic. I have had bad luck with the various forums I have been involved with.
There was a sci-fi thread I recently had to leave. If one know anything about the 'puppy' movement you will know what I am talking about. I am beginning to wonder if I have the temperament for this.
Hopefully third time will be the charm.
What's a "Bank Junkie arpeggio"?
This place is great. I just got suspended from the modern equivalent of the inquisition online, a religious forum that deems their opinions holier than the Pope's.
Musicians are also funny, don't take themselves so utterly seriously...
ZB
Welcome! I thought I saw some dust from chords which had been hastily broken.
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on September 05, 2016, 10:51:35 PM
What's a "Bank Junkie arpeggio"?
This place is great. I just got suspended from the modern equivalent of the inquisition online, a religious forum that deems their opinions holier than the Pope's.
Musicians are also funny, don't take themselves so utterly seriously...
ZB
A band junkie is one who follows concert band music and is a fan of Vincent Persichetti, Percy Granger, Phillip Sparke and many, many others. I play bassoon and contrabassoon with two community concert bands and I am an alternant in a third.
Ah, so just a typo (bank for band)! (I used to work as a teller, so bank junkie struck me as . . . plausible 8) )
When I was at UVa a great friend of mine was in the bassoon section.
Hi arpeggio, and welcome. Bassoon and contrabassoon -- two beautiful instruments!
--Bruce
Quote from: karlhenning on September 06, 2016, 06:21:28 AM
Ah, so just a typo (bank for band)! (I used to work as a teller, so bank junkie struck me as . . . plausible 8) )
When I was at UVa a great friend of mine was in the bassoon section.
That is one of the reesons I ewsed to tet ino t trouble in other fourums. I am a louse typiss, speeler and my gremer sicks.
No worries, we all make rtoiz@!
Figured out how to correct the error in the subject line.
Good on ya!
Quote from: arpeggio on September 05, 2016, 07:35:54 PM
I have been invited to join here by SimonNZ.
How very nice to see you've joined.
And a good and honest 'what it says on the tin' post, too. You are indeed, a band/wind ensemble junkie, and I for one am glad of it :-)
So far, I've found nothing but engaging enjoyment here. May you find the same -- and may that continue.
Always best regards.
Contrabassoon.....ah that intro from Ravel the left hand concerto: I feel the instrument is taking me back out of the kingdom of the dead.
This is one of my favorite moment of the entire classical repertoire...
Welcome and looking forward hearing more bassoon and contrabassoon stories.
Quote from: Spineur on September 06, 2016, 11:36:43 AM
Contrabassoon.....ah that intro from Ravel the left hand concerto: I feel the instrument is taking me back out of the kingdom of the dead.
This is one of my favorite moment of the entire classical repertoire...
Welcome and looking forward hearing more bassoon and contrabassoon stories.
Did you hear about the contrabassoonist who was so badly out of tune he noticed it.
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on September 06, 2016, 10:21:25 AM
So far, I've found nothing but engaging enjoyment here. May you find the same -- and may that continue.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/sgtrock/asheville/bUTTHEAD.gif)
Sarge
Arpeggio, I'm really glad you're here :)
I've like, only just barely gotten somewhat involved in my first argument here, and you're actually allowed to respond to attacks without getting banned (lol). It's a nice place, really. No one is too persistent at ruining your fun just because you disagree regarding some composer or w/e.
It would be a funny world if we all agreed all the time.
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Quote from: karlhenning on September 06, 2016, 03:23:50 PM
It would be a funny world if we all agreed all the time.
Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
Certainly, but there are levels of disagreement. On another forum, the way in which certain dissenters target each and every possible post on certain topic... it borders on online harassment really. Much nicer here.
I just read the Cage thread.
I am not a fan of Cage. But as many of my friends know I have always tried to respect the music of Cage and his proponents.
I found very little of the insane Cage bashing I have seen in other forums. Overall it is the best thread I have ever seen about the music of Cage
Quote from: nathanb on September 06, 2016, 03:35:56 PM
Certainly, but there are levels of disagreement. On another forum, the way in which certain dissenters target each and every possible post on certain topic... it borders on online harassment really. Much nicer here.
Quote from: arpeggio on September 06, 2016, 03:49:09 PM
I just read the Cage thread.
I am not a fan of Cage. But as many of my friends know I have always tried to respect the music of Cage and his proponents.
I found very little of the insane Cage bashing I have seen in other forums. Overall it is the best thread I have ever seen about the music of Cage
To repeat, you are both welcome.
Welcome to GMG! One of the loveliest sites on the internet! I hope you enjoy your time here :)
(from COAG/jms as you may have known me from the other site)
Welcome! I love that band stuff!
Gotta love some Frank Ticheli..................
8)
THIS IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!
I am running into so many of my friends from Talk Classical.
I could use some help. I can not get my functions to work like the bold setting or any of the happy faces.
Quote from: arpeggio on September 06, 2016, 04:19:50 PM
I could use some help. I can not get my functions to work like the bold setting or any of the happy faces.
Forget it. I think I have found an answer. In Microsoft Edge they do not work. The do work in Chrome and Internet Explorer. :)
Quote from: jessop on September 06, 2016, 04:07:48 PM
Welcome to GMG! One of the loveliest sites on the internet! I hope you enjoy your time here :)
(from COAG/jms as you may have known me from the other site)
Wow!!!!! It is so great to see you again. :)
Quote from: arpeggio on September 05, 2016, 07:35:54 PM
I have been invited to join here by SimonNZ.
Welcome aboard, arpeggio! Who are some of your favorite composers?
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 06, 2016, 07:37:37 PM
Welcome aboard, arpeggio! Who are some of your favorite composers?
I really do not have a favorite composer or genre. I like all sorts of composers from Vivaldi to Carter.
According to my database program the top twenty composers in my library are:
Beethoven
Liszt
Britten
Stravinsky
Hindemith
Holst
Chopin
Barber
Elgar
Vivaldi
Carter (Until he passed away a few years ago he was my favorite living composer. I got to meet him at Tanglewood.)
Prokofiev
Bax
Shostakovich
Mozart
Copeland
Sibelius
Martinu
Dvorak
Hovhaness
I have over 90 works of these composers in my library. There are some duplicates. Since I am a band junkie, I have several recordings of the Hindemith
Symphony for Band.
My favorite living composers include:
John Corigliano
James MacMillan
David Maslanka
John Harbison
John Williams
Michael Daugherty
Frank Ticheli
Kalevi Aho
John Adams
Ned Rorem
Karel Husa (He is up there)
Leonardo Balada
Joan Tower
Eric Whitacre (I know there are many who do not care for him but his
Ghost Train Trilogy is one of the finest band works I have ever performed.)
Richard Danielpour
Joseph Schwanter
Phillip Sparke
James Barnes
Ellen Taaffe Zwilich
Christopher Rouse
It is actually easier for me to come up with composers I do not like. Most of them you probably never heard of like Middendorff, Wigglesworth and Nigel Hess.
Among non-classical I am a big fan of:
Don Ellis
Stan Kenton
Modern Jazz Quartet
Willie Nelson
Reba McIntyre
Mary Chapin Carpenter
Dave Matthews
Phish
Beatles
Emerson, Palmer and Lake
Beach Boys
And my secret guilty pleasure ABBA :-[
My all time favorite is probably Mahler.
If the sound world of a piece of music appeals to me I really do not care when or where it was written. Like there is this cool Baroque British composer I have just discovered: Thomas Arne. He composed a series of great overtures. His most famous song is "Rule Britannia".
This is what has gotten me into trouble in other forums. People could not understand how I could like Beethoven and Carter. Because of this and because I defend people who like Cage I have a reputation of being a crazed modernists. Yet only about 7% of my library and my listening habits are directed toward atonal/avant-garde music.
I am always interested in discovering new composers, living or dead.
Quote from: arpeggio on September 06, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
[...] People could not understand how I could like Beethoven and Carter.
Of course, that is a failure of
their imagination.
Quote from: arpeggio on September 06, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
I really do not have a favorite composer or genre. I like all sorts of composers from Vivaldi to Carter.
According to my database program the top twenty composers in my library are:
Beethoven
Liszt
Britten
Stravinsky
Hindemith
Holst
Chopin
Barber
Elgar
Vivaldi
Carter (Until he passed away a few years ago he was my favorite living composer. I got to meet him at Tanglewood.)
Prokofiev
Bax
Shostakovich
Mozart
Copeland
Sibelius
Martinu
Dvorak
Hovhaness
I have over 90 works of these composers in my library. There are some duplicates. Since I am a band junkie, I have several recordings of the Hindemith Symphony for Band.
My favorite living composers include:
John Corigliano
James MacMillan
David Maslanka
John Harbison
John Williams
Michael Daugherty
Frank Ticheli
Kalevi Aho
John Adams
Ned Rorem
Karel Husa (He is up there)
Leonardo Balada
Joan Tower
Eric Whitacre (I know there are many who do not care for him but his Ghost Train Trilogy is one of the finest band works I have ever performed.)
Richard Danielpour
Joseph Schwanter
Phillip Sparke
James Barnes
Ellen Taaffe Zwilich
Christopher Rouse
It is actually easier for me to come up with composers I do not like. Most of them you probably never heard of like Middendorff, Wigglesworth and Nigel Hess.
Among non-classical I am a big fan of:
Don Ellis
Stan Kenton
Modern Jazz Quartet
Willie Nelson
Reba McIntyre
Mary Chapin Carpenter
Dave Matthews
Phish
Beatles
Emerson, Palmer and Lake
Beach Boys
And my secret guilty pleasure ABBA :-[
My all time favorite is probably Mahler.
If the sound world of a piece of music appeals to me I really do not care when or where it was written. Like there is this cool Baroque British composer I have just discovered: Thomas Arne. He composed a series of great overtures. His most famous song is "Rule Britannia".
This is what has gotten me into trouble in other forums. People could not understand how I could like Beethoven and Carter. Because of this and because I defend people who like Cage I have a reputation of being a crazed modernists. Yet only about 7% of my library and my listening habits are directed toward atonal/avant-garde music.
I am always interested in discovering new composers, living or dead.
Nice list. I don't understand how people couldn't understand how you could like Beethoven and Carter for completely different reasons. I like Beethoven and Ligeti does this make me a lunatic? If someone doesn't understand how I can listen to Beethoven and turn around and then listen to Scelsi, then they'll just have to get over it. This certainly isn't
my problem.
Quote from: Mirror Image on September 07, 2016, 06:24:04 AM
Nice list. I don't understand how people couldn't understand how you could like Beethoven and Carter for completely different reasons. I like Beethoven and Ligeti does this make me a lunatic? If someone doesn't understand how I can listen to Beethoven and turn around and then listen to Scelsi, then they'll just have to get over it. This certainly isn't my problem.
Thanks for the nice comment.
Newbie question.
Is there a latest purchases thread?
Quote from: arpeggio on September 07, 2016, 09:34:35 AM
Newbie question.
Is there a latest purchases thread?
Go to General Classical Music Discussion and you'll find a sticky: Purchases Today. There is also a non-classical purchase thread in the Diner.
Sarge
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 07, 2016, 09:43:31 AM
Go to General Classical Music Discussion and you'll find a sticky: Purchases Today. There is also a non-classical purchase thread in the Diner.
Sarge
Thanks
One of the biggest mistake a newbie makes is starting a thread that already exists.
My music library is based on breath instead of depth. Instead of fifty recordings of Beethoven's Fifth I would prefer to have fifty recordings of different symphonies.
Since I am always on the lookout for new composers and music one of my favorite threads in another forum is "Pieces that have blown you away recently". This is a thread where a person can post their experiences with a new work they have never heard before or a new composer.
This would not be a thread for a person who already has fifty recordings of Beethoven's Fifth and he just acquired his fifty-first. This thread is for a person who had never heard Beethoven's Fifth and his initial exposure to it was awesome.
In the other forum I recently submitted a post about a CD that I acquired that had some piano music of Faure. I got the CD because if contain some music of Ravel that I was unfamiliar with. I am not a fan of Faure. When the Faure train left the station I was not on it. This recordings of some of his barcarolles and nocturnes blew me away.
If there is already a thread like this where is it. If not I would like to start one.
What Ho, Bassooner! This is getting like old home week.
Sorry about the 'What Ho'. I'm reading Wodehouse lately.
Quote from: Hilltroll73 on September 08, 2016, 01:41:06 PM
What Ho, Bassooner! This is getting like old home week.
Sorry about the 'What Ho'. I'm reading Wodehouse lately.
I am all the time running into old friends here. :)
Quote from: Hilltroll73 on September 08, 2016, 01:41:06 PM
Sorry about the 'What Ho'. I'm reading Wodehouse lately.
Nothing to apologize for, old fruit!
Hi, site looks nice.
Notice to all of the Talk Classical immigrant's.
Managers of the site now concede that the situation there has deteriorated there over the past three months.
Quote from: arpeggio on November 12, 2016, 12:26:38 PM
Notice to all of the Talk Classical immigrant's.
Managers of the site now concede that the situation there has deteriorated there over the past three months.
I saw the post. I wouldn't really call us 'immigrants' as collectively all our situations are rather different. I was banned for pointing out that the admin left a link open he shouldn't and I saw what was happening in the staff only area. Mirror Image was banned well before this wave of new members arrived at GMG. Mahlerian was a moderator who was stripped of his position without his knowing. Honestly I really just prefer a smaller site like this one where there are more interesting discussions and we are allowed to actually talk about politics (unlike over there). I browse the old place from time to time and I've come to realise that there are very few threads being created that result in interesting, in depth discussions and way more polls and 'what is your favourite piece' threads. I like polls when interesting discussions arise from them......
Quote from: jessop on November 12, 2016, 01:38:40 PM
I saw the post. I wouldn't really call us 'immigrants' as collectively all our situations are rather different. I was banned for pointing out that the admin left a link open he shouldn't and I saw what was happening in the staff only area. Mirror Image was banned well before this wave of new members arrived at GMG. Mahlerian was a moderator who was stripped of his position without his knowing. Honestly I really just prefer a smaller site like this one where there are more interesting discussions and we are allowed to actually talk about politics (unlike over there). I browse the old place from time to time and I've come to realise that there are very few threads being created that result in interesting, in depth discussions and way more polls and 'what is your favourite piece' threads. I like polls when interesting discussions arise from them......
I am open to any suggestions on what we should call ourselves. In my case I am an immigrant.
I just fell out of my chair when Krummhorn admitted they were having problems.
I don't know about anyone else but I'm gonna call myself a proud GMGer if that's ok
Quote from: jessop on November 12, 2016, 03:41:09 PM
I don't know about anyone else but I'm gonna call myself a proud GMGer if that's ok
Sounds good to me. GMG's gain, TC's loss.
Quote from: arpeggio on November 12, 2016, 01:53:26 PM
I just fell out of my chair when Krummhorn admitted they were having problems.
I appears that they are finally taking action against the anti-modernists at Talk Classical. In every classical music forum I have participated in there is always a small clique that believes that the forum should concentrate on only the music of the great masters of the 18th and 19th century. They try to take control and drive the riff raff out.
They actually succeeded in doing that at the Amazon Cite a few years ago and almost destroyed it. It still has not fully recovered.
It seems that the managers at TC now recognize the problem there and are taking action.
In a recent thread about Elliott Carter the usual suspects showed up and started to trash Carter. On of the moderators went and deleted all of the offending posts and issued a warning that if you do not like modern music stay out of threads about modern music.
Quote from: arpeggio on November 23, 2016, 09:58:20 AM
I appears that they are finally taking action against the anti-modernists at Talk Classical. In every classical music forum I have participated in there is always a small clique that believes that the forum should concentrate on only the music of the great masters of the 18th and 19th century. They try to take control and drive the riff raff out.
They actually succeeded in doing that at the Amazon Cite a few years ago and almost destroyed it. It still has not fully recovered.
It seems that the managers at TC now recognize the problem there and are taking action.
In a recent thread about Elliott Carter the usual suspects showed up and started to trash Carter. On of the moderators went and deleted all of the offending posts and issued a warning that if you do not like modern music stay out of threads about modern music.
I reported the obvious troll.......
Quote from: arpeggio on November 23, 2016, 09:58:20 AM
In a recent thread about Elliott Carter the usual suspects showed up and started to trash Carter. On of the moderators went and deleted all of the offending posts and issued a warning that if you do not like modern music stay out of threads about modern music.
I've always been against deleting posts, half a thread shouldn't be removed just because the posters involved didn't tread on eggshells around each other. It's a silly practice and it only invites endless repeat performances of the very thing they're trying to stop by doing it. Instead I think they should just remove the rule against criticising posting styles. The minute that rule is gone all the worst posters on TC lose the one leg they had to stand on. Might even be worth going back there if that were to happen.
Normally on that site whenever I had reported anyone I asked them specifically not to remove the post but rather just please have a word with them. Unfortunately the posts are always deleted.
Guys, from the moderators, just a friendly reminder: we are not in the business of discussing other boards here (especially their shortcomings). If you want to discuss TC or other places, please do it via private messages.
Thanks. (And glad you're having a good time here.)
--Bruce
Sorry. I apologize for the indiscretion :-[
Quote from: Brewski on November 23, 2016, 12:07:04 PM
Guys, from the moderators, just a friendly reminder: we are not in the business of discussing other boards here (especially their shortcomings). If you want to discuss TC or other places, please do it via private messages.
Thanks. (And glad you're having a good time here.)
--Bruce
Noted, and really I'd rather not talk about TC here anyway when there are many more interesting things to discuss.
I have been involved with several classical discussion groups over the years.
In one of them it got so bad that as a result of the anti-modern music animas there were no threads concerning post-19th century music for 18 months. The activity there collapsed and eventually slightly recovered. The anti-modern music attacks calmed down when members discovered that it drove many people away,
I eventually started to participate in another forum. It was OK for a few years but eventually the anti-modern music trolls took control and ruined that forum for me. They are right now trashing Cage and whatever in several threads. Some of the entries were interesting when they started but eventually the discussion degenerated into a series of juvenile jokes.
I know the moderators do not like us to discuss other forums but the situation here is so much more civilized than what I have experienced in other forums. I have no idea what you guys are doing but I think you are doing a great job.
0:)
Quote from: arpeggio on January 06, 2017, 09:52:39 PM
I have been involved with several classical discussion groups over the years.
In one of them it got so bad that as a result of the anti-modern music animas there were no threads concerning post-19th century music for 18 months. The activity there collapsed and eventually slightly recovered. The anti-modern music attacks calmed down when members discovered that it drove many people away,
I eventually started to participate in another forum. It was OK for a few years but eventually the anti-modern music trolls took control and ruined that forum for me. They are right now trashing Cage and whatever in several threads. Some of the entries were interesting when they started but eventually the discussion degenerated into a series of juvenile jokes.
I know the moderators do not like us to discuss other forums but the situation here is so much more civilized than what I have experienced in other forums. I have no idea what you guys are doing but I think you are doing a great job.
With the exception of perhaps a few more troublesome members here on GMG (and they're few and far between), I believe all of us realize that people are free to express their opinions and enjoy the music that gives them pleasure without repercussions and fear. Most members on GMG understand that friendly discussion is much more fruitful than nailing a composer they don't like to the cross. When negative opinions are expressed, however, most of us will post our rebuttals and just respectfully disagree. Acceptance of others' opinions is what makes GMG great. You're free to like and express your love for any composer you want to here and it's completely fine with everyone.
Quote from: arpeggio on January 06, 2017, 09:52:39 PM
...the situation here is so much more civilized than what I have experienced in other forums. I have no idea what you guys are doing but I think you are doing a great job.
Thank you (on behalf of my colleagues here). Though we are quite different (and in locales, and in musical tastes, too), we all agree on the dynamics that make GMG a relatively pleasant place. 8)
--Bruce
Last week I had the great pleasure of meeting Someguy.
On Wednesday night he crashed a rehearsal of the City of Fairfax Band.
On Thursday we had a wonderful time at my home listening to everything from Mozart to Mahler to Anders Hillborg. I have always idealized that this is the way classical music forums should be like :) :) :)
Quote from: arpeggio on March 11, 2017, 09:02:49 PM
Last week I had the great pleasure of meeting Someguy.
On Wednesday night he crashed a rehearsal of the City of Fairfax Band.
On Thursday we had a wonderful time at my home listening to everything from Mozart to Mahler to Anders Hillborg. I have always idealized that this is the way classical music forums should be like :) :) :)
Fun guy, Some Guy. Glad youse guys had a good time.
No forum will ever substitute for one on one interactive in real time, no?
Did he seem, uh, a little less tall than you had imagined? ;-)
Always best regards.
Quote from: Crudblud on November 23, 2016, 11:42:25 AM
I've always been against deleting posts, half a thread shouldn't be removed just because the posters involved didn't tread on eggshells around each other. It's a silly practice and it only invites endless repeat performances of the very thing they're trying to stop by doing it. Instead I think they should just remove the rule against criticising posting styles. The minute that rule is gone all the worst posters on TC lose the one leg they had to stand on. Might even be worth going back there if that were to happen.
Of course -- but some notion of controlling members so they are 'always nice' to their colleagues on that site will never allow that to happen. Let's put it this way: it is well known that some prodigies never grow up.
After joining GMG, I realized within a few posts that both the content and 'style' of several of the more infamous members on that other forum would not last on GMG for more than two or three posts before the community at large, without being at all aggressively offensive or nasty, would simply shut them down; that would take place without any moderator needing to be involved at all!
This is what happens when you give mainly adult (younger or older, but adult) members the freedom and
responsibility of maintaining the quality
and decorum of the forum in which they participate; it becomes almost entirely self-managed.
"From there to here," was, for me, exactly that blast of fresh air difference.
The air here still seems fresh, btw. lol.
Always best regards
I suppose immaturity can be common at any age level, just as an adult can be almost any age....
Quote from: arpeggio on March 11, 2017, 09:02:49 PM
Last week I had the great pleasure of meeting Someguy.
On Wednesday night he crashed a rehearsal of the City of Fairfax Band.
On Thursday we had a wonderful time at my home listening to everything from Mozart to Mahler to Anders Hillborg. I have always idealized that this is the way classical music forums should be like :) :) :)
Excellent!
Quote from: arpeggio on March 11, 2017, 09:02:49 PM
Last week I had the great pleasure of meeting Someguy.
On Wednesday night he crashed a rehearsal of the City of Fairfax Band.
On Thursday we had a wonderful time at my home listening to everything from Mozart to Mahler to Anders Hillborg. I have always idealized that this is the way classical music forums should be like :) :) :)
This is great to hear! I'm hoping to one day meet Karl and several other members here. I, of course, couldn't possibly meet everyone as they live in different parts of the world, but here in the US it's not entirely impossible.