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The Music Room => Composer Discussion => Topic started by: snyprrr on October 29, 2016, 08:59:19 AM

Title: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: snyprrr on October 29, 2016, 08:59:19 AM
I JUST DON'T CARE.

There's no reason (what difference, at this point, does it make?) not to have a JG Thread here. I find myself enjoying more and more of his work, and, truth be told, is probably one of the most variegated Composers out there. Am I trolling? You be the judge...

Now, to ward off any embarrassment, I will go and check if he's really responsible for what I thought he was...
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: Sergeant Rock on October 29, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
My favorite bit of Goldsmith: the Klingon Battle with Vger from Star Trek: The Motion Picture

https://www.youtube.com/v/XjlBXmn2Q0s


Sarge
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 29, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
A very fine composer. I love the original 'Alien' and 'Planet of the Apes' score. Also 'Capricorn One'.
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: snyprrr on October 29, 2016, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 29, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
A very fine composer. I love the original 'Alien' and 'Planet of the Apes' score. Also 'Capricorn One'.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on October 29, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
My favorite bit of Goldsmith: the Klingon Battle with Vger from Star Trek: The Motion Picture

https://www.youtube.com/v/XjlBXmn2Q0s


Sarge

Both Sarge and vandermolen have Endorsed this Thread, so, I don't want to hear any 'Film Music Composer' stuff from the peanut gallery! achtung!! :P

The 'Apes' score is stuck in my head. Also, I'm always seeing his name pop up when I didn't expect it to. Also, got eclectic? Maybe it's a '70s thing and some might not understand?
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 02:10:43 AM
A vote here for the 'Black Mass' from Damien Omen II with its echoes of Carmina Burana. Actually I find Carmina Burana more scary in view of the historical circumstances of its creation!

Here's the opening:

https://youtu.be/oZmixJmXSyc

Also an admirer of the fine music for 'Tora,Tora,Tora' (an excellent film).
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Great thread title by the way.  8)
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: snyprrr on October 30, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 02:10:43 AM
A vote here for the 'Black Mass' from Damien Omen II with its echoes of Carmina Burana. Actually I find Carmina Burana more scary in view of the historical circumstances of its creation!

Here's the opening:

https://youtu.be/oZmixJmXSyc

Also an admirer of the fine music for 'Tora,Tora,Tora' (an excellent film).
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Great thread title by the way.  8)

It's all just TOO MUCH FUN!! My favourite "TV/Film Music" stereotype are the "stacked 4ths"... maybe someone could embed an example?,... probably from 'Columbo', lol

There's also the chord that is ALWAYS used when the sleuth finds a hidden chord, usually with vibraphone going "wah wah wah wah"

Thanks for supporting this Thread! :-*
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: Bogey on October 30, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
His Star Trek score is superb.  Also love his Alien and Planet of the Apes.  However, two that I enjoy that usually get overlooked are his Mulan and Papillion.
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: snyprrr on October 30, 2016, 10:02:50 AM
Quote from: Bogey on October 30, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
His Star Trek score is superb.  Also love his Alien and Planet of the Apes.  However, two that I enjoy that usually get overlooked are his Mulan and Papillion.

btw- Glenn Strange really looks like that, lol! Just got off a GS kick...


Must IMDb Jerry...
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 11:03:26 AM
His 'fanfares over a deserted battlefield' type music for Patton (1970) was a fine inspiration:

https://youtu.be/mu11QRO9BrQ
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: Cato on October 30, 2016, 11:37:55 AM
Where to start? 8)of
Let's just say that the original movie, The Omen with the Ave, Satane! (Hail, Satan!  >:D  0:) )   chorus is a score whose recording I wore down to its barest atoms in the early '70's.

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Yes, Planet of the Apes with its various effects (e.g. a percussive strumming of the interior of a piano) is an all-around fave.

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And for the third member of my Trinity:

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Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 11:54:15 AM
Ok, I just bought this:
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Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 02:11:55 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 30, 2016, 12:18:01 PM
I love his scores for Alien (1979) and the original Planet Of The Apes  :D
Me too - also his title music for 'Capricorn One' (1977) -  an underrated movie:

https://youtu.be/46DWo8LOa_s
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: Mirror Image on October 30, 2016, 02:17:15 PM
I haven't heard the entire soundtrack for Chinatown in years, but I remember that Love Theme being one of the most gorgeous things I've heard from Goldsmith.

https://www.youtube.com/v/lmOhNyitewI
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on October 30, 2016, 02:31:19 PM
Never seen Capricorn One actually, I'll have to!  ;)

I love how in Alien, there are a combination of seemingly Penderecki-esque indeterminacy and very Messiaen-esque wind parts.
Also, pota has some very Varese sounding moments.
Both great scores that don't take the movies to enjoy  ;D
Good point about Alien. I hadn't thought of it that way but you are right. Oh yes, you have to see 'Capricorn One' - a highly entertaining adventure story with a fine performance by Elliot Gould and a great cameo from Telly Savalas.
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on October 30, 2016, 02:17:15 PM
I haven't heard the entire soundtrack for Chinatown in years, but I remember that Love Theme being one of the most gorgeous things I've heard from Goldsmith.

https://www.youtube.com/v/lmOhNyitewI

That was a great film too.
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 02:47:12 PM
Here is a live performance of the music from the original 'Omen' film. I was much amused to learn that the child who played Damien did not want to continue in movies and when he grew up got a job in the City of London and, in interview, now sounds remarkably like David Beckham the British footballer. However, I'm delighted to say that he still turns up to horror movie conventions, to sign autographs etc and accompanied by his tricycle. Wonderful!
>:D 8)

https://youtu.be/nmOHzeTsBUM
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: arpeggio on October 30, 2016, 02:49:51 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 11:54:15 AM
Ok, I just bought this:
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I hate you.  You mentioned this great disc before I did.  >:(

It is interesting that two of his concert works were twelve-tone.  In spite of this they still sound like Goldsmith.  ;)
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: snyprrr on October 30, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
I just checked IMDB. Wow- very prolific. I'm sure we can uncover a hidden gem or two...

Be prepared to watch some cheezy flicks! ;)

I'd like to hear his take on 'Jaws', or something like that...
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: snyprrr on October 30, 2016, 07:31:23 PM
I think I've triggered vandermolen here, lol!! Go get 'em, tiger!! :laugh:


(pictures vandermoldy on the floor playing model WWII with ToraToraTora on in the background)
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: arpeggio on October 30, 2016, 02:49:51 PM
I hate you.  You mentioned this great disc before I did.  >:(

It is interesting that two of his concert works were twelve-tone.  In spite of this they still sound like Goldsmith.  ;)

To give additional 'legitimacy' to snyprr's interesting thread I thought I'd see if JG wrote any concert as opposed to film music and there it was, dirt cheap on Amazon UK. I liked the sound of the reviews but, unlike you, I haven't yet heard any of the pieces, so you could let us know what they are like and then you would have less cause to hate me.  ;) :)
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on October 30, 2016, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: snyprrr on October 30, 2016, 07:31:23 PM
I think I've triggered vandermolen here, lol!! Go get 'em, tiger!! :laugh:


(pictures vandermoldy on the floor playing model WWII with ToraToraTora on in the background)

'vandermoldy'!!! I beg your pardon! You shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you.  8)
Now, back to my Spitfire, Lancaster Bomber and Thunderbird 2 Dinky Toy models (currently in dispute with my daughter about who owns Thunderbird 2 - answer is me by the way).  8)
TTT is great score and coupled on CD with Patton - a wonderful disc:
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Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: Rons_talking on November 02, 2016, 08:25:30 AM
The Planet of the Apes score is exceptional. It's a composer's dream: long scenes without dialogue as Taylor explores the land on horseback, then wordless battles and a classic ending all employing the score make the drama work. It's not simply filling space. It's great. His other scores are strong as well but POTA is almost a ballet.
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on November 02, 2016, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: Rons_talking on November 02, 2016, 08:25:30 AM
The Planet of the Apes score is exceptional. It's a composer's dream: long scenes without dialogue as Taylor explores the land on horseback, then wordless battles and a classic ending all employing the score make the drama work. It's not simply filling space. It's great. His other scores are strong as well but POTA is almost a ballet.
I totally agree and the movie was so much better than the rubbish sequels ancient and modern. Inspired by this thread I watched 'Damien Omen 2' last night - an underrated film although not as good as the original. The Goldsmith score, however, is IMHO as good if not better than the original movie score. I watched it on my own last night and during a particularly terrifying moment a black cat suddenly took a flying leap on to my lap. Although it was my own cat I had to have a glass of red wine to calm my nerves after such a traumatic incident.
>:D
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby! IT'S THE GROOVY 70S, MAN
Post by: snyprrr on November 04, 2016, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on November 02, 2016, 08:59:04 AM
I totally agree and the movie was so much better than the rubbish sequels ancient and modern. Inspired by this thread I watched 'Damien Omen 2' last night - an underrated film although not as good as the original. The Goldsmith score, however, is IMHO as good if not better than the original movie score. I watched it on my own last night and during a particularly terrifying moment a black cat suddenly took a flying leap on to my lap. Although it was my own cat I had to have a glass of red wine to calm my nerves after such a traumatic incident.
>:D

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

And I was watching 'Logan's Run' last month- soooo groovy!!! I want to hear more "Synthesizer Jerry"...
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: snyprrr on November 05, 2016, 07:04:31 AM
It warms my cockles knowing this Thread has received its due love! ;) 8)
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: Bogey on November 06, 2016, 04:53:02 AM
Quote from: snyprrr on November 05, 2016, 07:04:31 AM
It warms my cockles knowing this Thread has received its due love! ;) 8)

It may be is your greatest contribution to this board.  Goldsmith should have a many threads as Beethoven IMO! >:D
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: Bogey on November 06, 2016, 04:57:03 AM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0799/0083/products/Omen_40thAnniversary_grande.jpg?v=1476920635)

On sale now.  Here:

https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/the-omen-40th-anniversary-edition[
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on November 07, 2016, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: Bogey on November 06, 2016, 04:57:03 AM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0799/0083/products/Omen_40thAnniversary_grande.jpg?v=1476920635)

On sale now.  Here:

https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/the-omen-40th-anniversary-edition[
Looks great although a bit pricey. My daughter and I enjoyed watching the movie yesterday.
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: Cato on November 10, 2016, 03:46:32 AM
Thanks to the Miklos Rozsa topic, I came across the "Tadlow"* catalog which offers some Jerry Goldsmith scores:

So check these out!

http://www.tadlowmusic.com/category/catalogue/ (http://www.tadlowmusic.com/category/catalogue/)

* (Their prices are not a "tad low.")
Title: Re: It's Jerry Goldsmith, Baby!
Post by: vandermolen on November 11, 2016, 01:15:50 AM
Watched Omen 3 'The Final Conflict' last night (I only watch high-brow movies). The musical score was the best thing about the film.