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Title: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: rw1883 on August 13, 2007, 12:35:25 PM
This MIGHT be an interesting topic...I'm looking for 20th (or 21st) Century waltzes members find worth knowing beside the following:

Shostakovich: Waltz#2 from Jazz Suite #2
R. Strauss: Der Rosenkavalier Waltzes
Ravel: La Valse, Valses Nobles et Sentimentales
Lehar: Too many...
Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances (2nd Mvt.)

Thank you for your suggestions...

Paul
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Drasko on August 13, 2007, 12:46:44 PM
Prokofiev - Waltz Suite for Orchestra op. 110

http://www.prokofiev.org/catalog/work.cfm?WorkID=169&s1=23,24,36,33,1 (http://www.prokofiev.org/catalog/work.cfm?WorkID=169&s1=23,24,36,33,1)
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: rw1883 on August 13, 2007, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: MahlerTitan on August 13, 2007, 12:40:14 PM
what's wrong with 19 century waltzes? The golden age of waltz? the Strauss Dynasty?

nvm, actually, Shostakovich has written alot more waltzes than you think, there are plenty of waltz music in his film scores.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with 19th century waltzes...I love them.  Just looking to expand my palette.

I will look into the film scores of Shostakovich...the Chailly CD is on my list.
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: bwv 1080 on August 13, 2007, 01:07:44 PM
My favorite 20th Century waltz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BlY9wNKYZI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BlY9wNKYZI)

(how many pieces of 3/4 funk are there?)
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Scriptavolant on August 13, 2007, 01:11:16 PM
Quote from: MahlerTitan on August 13, 2007, 12:55:40 PM
i love waltzes, for relaxing purposes, after a day of intense listening of Bruckner and Mahler, i need to relax my ears by listening to some simple harmonies

From which torture camp are you posting, dear?
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Scriptavolant on August 13, 2007, 01:21:19 PM
Quote from: MahlerTitan on August 13, 2007, 01:17:06 PM
who said it was torture?

Nevermind  ;D
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Joe Barron on August 13, 2007, 02:14:36 PM
Frank Zappa's "Sofa," recorded in several different instrumentations. Best is the sax arrangment on Zappa in New York.

The last movement of the Nielsen Sixth also includes a rather deranged waltz, though it might not really belig under the heading of a genre.
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: The Mad Hatter on August 13, 2007, 02:18:58 PM
Another throw-in for Shostakovich: the Prelude from the D flat Major Prelude and Fugue of Op. 87. Though I'm not sure it works divorced from the fugue...
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Maciek on August 13, 2007, 02:25:49 PM
Khachaturian's waltz from The Masquerade is a classic. And so are the waltzes in the Prokofiev suite Milos posted.

Some of Kilar's earlier soundtracks contain great waltzes, notably Wajda's Ziemia obiecana (Promised Land) and Hoffman's Trędowata (The Lepper) - the latter is uncannily like Prokofiev's Cinderella waltz. They're both available on an Olympia CD of his film music.

Marek Stachowski has written a very nice suite 5 Little Waltzes for piano.
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: paul on August 13, 2007, 03:13:39 PM
Fred Lerdahl - Waltzes
Milton Babbitt - Minute Waltz
Mario Davidovsky - Simple Dances
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: mahlertitan on August 13, 2007, 03:20:21 PM
Dimitri Shostakovich - the Gadfly
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: BachQ on August 13, 2007, 03:29:34 PM
Waltz in D Minor (Elder's Dance) by Harry Ebbeson III
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: m_gigena on August 13, 2007, 04:21:13 PM
My favorite. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBuvonuEuBM)
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Symphonien on August 13, 2007, 09:58:30 PM
Schnittke - Concerto for Piano and Strings

Fig. 23 - Tempo di Valse to the Cadenza. ;D
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Maciek on August 14, 2007, 04:34:13 AM
Oh yes, and there's an excellent one in Schnittke's Piano Quintet (2nd movement) too!
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Maciek on August 14, 2007, 06:32:46 AM
And the Schnittke brought another Shostakovich piece to my mind: the 2nd movement of the Piano Concerto (Concerto for piano, trumpet and orchestra). Breathtakingly beautiful music.

Also, there's the extremely famous Valse triste by Sibelius.
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: quintett op.57 on August 14, 2007, 08:32:25 AM
Sibelius : valse triste
Atterberg : last movement of Sym 5
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: mahlertitan on August 14, 2007, 09:22:55 AM
Carl Michael Ziehrer
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Szykneij on August 14, 2007, 11:47:59 AM
There's a nice waltz movement (Valse d'amour) in Max Reger's Ballet Suite for Orchestra in D Major, Op. 130 that was written in 1913.
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: pjme on August 14, 2007, 01:19:46 PM
(http://www.klara.be/html/images/klara_cds/KL20_f_devreese__luc_devos.jpg)

Frédéric Devreese : 22 waltzes for piano - played by Luc Devos
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Szykneij on August 31, 2007, 05:50:33 PM
A little bit late, but I just came across a recording called "The Waltz Project - 17 Contemporary Waltzes for Piano" on the Nonesuch label. It's either out of print or not available at all on CD, but the pieces are:

Waltz - "In Memoriam - Maurice Ravel" by Robert Moran
Modern Love Waltz - Philip Glass
Minute Waltz (or 3/4 + 1/8) - Milton Babbit
A Waltz for Evelyn Hinrichsen - Lou Harrison
Waltz - Roger Sessions
Titles Waltz: After Max Steiner - Joseph Fennimore
Music Box Waltz - Zygmunt Krauze
Red Garnet Waltz - Joan Tower
Sentimental Waltz - Alden Ashforth
Dejavalse - Tom Constanten
Valse Mirage - Robert Helps
Valse Perpetuelle ("The 45 R.P.M.") - Ivan Tcherenpin
Waltz - Alan Stout
Valse - Peter Gena
Two Hearts - Richard Feliciano
49 Waltzes for the Five Boroughs - John Cage
For a Happy Occasion - Virgil Thomson

There also appears to be a follow-up issue on Albany still available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Waltz-Project-Revisited-Waltzes-Piano/dp/B0006A9FQE/ref=sr_1_1/104-6478711-9931130?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1188610387&sr=1-1
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Maciek on September 01, 2007, 02:39:14 AM
Quote from: Szykniej on August 31, 2007, 05:50:33 PM
Music Box Waltz - Zygmunt Krauze

(slapping forehead) How could I forget?! (Though I prefer his Nightmare Tango...)
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: val on September 01, 2007, 03:39:39 AM
And what about Schönberg's Waltz for the piano, the fifth piece of his opus 23?
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Guido on July 24, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
Strauss is the absolute king of waltzes. Richard that is... They're very obvious of course in Der Rosenkavalier but they are just as ubiquitous in many of his other works, such as Salome and then most notably Elektra.
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Cato on July 24, 2010, 02:50:42 PM
If you can find it, there is a beautiful waltz in the score for Sergei Bondarchuk's movie version of War and Peace: the score is by the incredible Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov.
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Cato on July 25, 2010, 04:31:00 AM
Quote from: Cato on July 24, 2010, 02:50:42 PM
If you can find it, there is a beautiful waltz in the score for Sergei Bondarchuk's movie version of War and Peace: the score is by the incredible Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov.

I have found on YouTube an excerpt from the movie - which I highly recommend in its complete version, and in Russian if you do not mind subtitles, although the English dubbing was excellent - and the excerpt has the waltz near the last 3 minutes, although the introduction is fascinating to watch. 

Director Bondarchuk played the role of the shy Pierre Bezhukov who eventually asks Natasha Rostova to dance a waltz.

To see why Ovchinnikov really is Ovchinnikov:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wdXxcVLDs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wdXxcVLDs&feature=related)

Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: listener on July 25, 2010, 07:58:25 PM
an interesting thread to resurrect for the newbies....
Coming to my mind are the Waltz for the Gemini in Lambert's Horoscope and Morton Gould's  Apple Waltzes suite.    Just missing the deadline (1892, 94) are the Concert Waltzes of Glazunov
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Maciek on July 26, 2010, 07:13:36 AM
Ah, forgot all about YouTube.

Here are those two Kilar waltzes.

From Hoffman's Leper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsaufVKyOxc)

From Wajda's The Promised Land (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaokgWSWD2Q)

Music much better than the films it was written for (if you ask me). Though I'm surprised to find I don't enjoy it as much as I used to. Well, it's a gray, rainy day over here, so blame it on the weather.
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Opus106 on July 26, 2010, 07:19:18 AM
Quote from: listener on July 25, 2010, 07:58:25 PMJust missing the deadline (1892, 94) are the Concert Waltzes of Glazunov

They and others of their ilk are invited here (http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,16870.0.html). :)
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: Ten thumbs on July 26, 2010, 11:15:40 AM
Just for fun really:
Eric Satie - Je te Veux (1904)
Title: Re: 20th Century Waltz suggestions?
Post by: DarkAngel on August 03, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512QZJC9QWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00009V90P/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music)

Delightful 2CD collection from Chandos collecting together various waltzes from Jarvi's Shostakovich vast series of recordings, I love this collection