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Title: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 09, 2017, 02:28:15 PM
A thread in which I will make glib insightful comments and/or offer unsolicited advice on any scarf you currently wear or are thinking of wearing. I'm qualified for this role in a number of ways, but I feel the main one is that apparently as far as scarves are concerned I'm the male equivalent of 'Chick with too many pairs of shoes and handbags'.

Note: if you must, treat this as a stealth thread which allows you to drop hints about how much cash you drop on your scarves. But know that if you do so then while I'm complimenting your scarf I'm also guffawing to the nth degree.

Okay, I'm brave enough to go first.
99.83% of the time I wear a leather jacket, T-shirt, chinos and Chelsea boots. And underwear, of course. But I also wear a silk scarf. As ever, there are exceptions; in winter, cashmere (or if I'm slumming it and sitting in the terrace instead of the stalls, merino) usually makes an appearance. But silk is where it's at.

Depending on the colour(s) of the fit I'm wearing, I usually choose one of these two -

(http://i.imgur.com/OexssKw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oSbge7y.jpg)

- with the burgundy being a favourite, both with me and the ladies. And it's always tied in a French/Parisian/European/whatever-it's called-down-your-way knot, which must be as casual as possible and not fussed with in front of the mirror at all.

But all scarves are cool and good. I don't care if it's 'ready to wear' or a relic from your college/university days or a piece from the catwalk or an old favourite that your grandmother made with love to keep you warm. All are equal in this thread.

That'll do for now. Please feel free to post with your own favourite scarves/knots/celeb scarf wearing or denouncements of  'Typical European... Scarves are for the womenfolks!'
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: North Star on March 09, 2017, 03:15:20 PM
When it's cold, this.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 09, 2017, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: North Star on March 09, 2017, 03:15:20 PM
When it's cold, this.

That's actually quite mature and restrained, smart yet casual. A fine choice. And do you have a knot you particularly favour?
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: North Star on March 09, 2017, 03:36:35 PM
Quote from: NikF on March 09, 2017, 03:22:02 PM
That's actually quite mature and restrained, smart yet casual. A fine choice. And do you have a knot you particularly favour?
Thanks, you seem surprised.  ;D
Ah, knots.. yeah, I keep it simple - the right hand (longer) side of the scarf goes over the left, and then out. Simple, fast, and keeps all of visible the pattern straight too.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 09, 2017, 03:45:25 PM
Quote from: North Star on March 09, 2017, 03:36:35 PM
Thanks, you seem surprised.  ;D

Are you insinuating that I have ever called your taste into question? :o ;D

Quote
Ah, knots.. yeah, I keep it simple - the right hand (longer) side of the scarf goes over the left, and then out. Simple, fast, and keeps all of visible the pattern straight too.

Okay, perhaps my above comment was made in haste...  :laugh:

But thank you for your contribution. :) Do feel free any time to post any other scarves you own or have seen and any ideas, thoughts or dare I say it, theories you may have about scarves.  ;D
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: North Star on March 09, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: NikF on March 09, 2017, 03:45:25 PM
Are you insinuating that I have ever called your taste into question? :o ;D

Okay, perhaps my above comment was made in haste...  :laugh:
Well you would say that, if all of your scarf experience is from those wimpy silk scarves.   >:D It has plenty of heft like that.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 09, 2017, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: North Star on March 09, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
Well you would say that, if all of your scarf experience is from those wimpy silk scarves.   >:D It has plenty of heft like that.

:o

Hush your mouth!

:o

So, you want heft?  Okay, I'm going to rise to that challenge.

(http://i.imgur.com/wDqZ07E.jpg)

100% Cashmere. 180cmx45cm (70"x18")

;D
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 09, 2017, 04:37:18 PM
I think I must live in an alternate universe....
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 09, 2017, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on March 09, 2017, 04:37:18 PM
I think I must live in an alternate universe....

One with no scarves?
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: mc ukrneal on March 09, 2017, 05:36:27 PM
Quote from: NikF on March 09, 2017, 04:44:40 PM
One with no scarves?
Pretty much. If it weren't for cold weather, I'd never own one. 
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 09, 2017, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: mc ukrneal on March 09, 2017, 05:36:27 PM
Pretty much. If it weren't for cold weather, I'd never own one.

???
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 09, 2017, 07:49:29 PM
It hasn't even been cold enough this winter in my neck of the woods to wear a scarf. :( We have some cold weather coming in next week, so maybe I can premiere my new scarf then! 8)

I can't find a picture of my new scarf, but it's all black with a grey and white stripe on both ends.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 09, 2017, 08:22:56 PM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 09, 2017, 07:49:29 PM
It hasn't even been cold enough this winter in my neck of the woods to wear a scarf. :( We have some cold weather coming in next week, so maybe I can premiere my new scarf then! 8)

I can't find a picture of my new scarf, but it's all black with a grey and white stripe on both ends.

So, it seems you're a seasonal scarf wearer. Fair enough. Your scarf sounds cool and versatile. :)
Pity it's weather dependant though - I mean, you have that leather jacket and some kind of casual scarf would work with it really well. Just a thought, man... ;D
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: Mirror Image on March 09, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: NikF on March 09, 2017, 08:22:56 PM
So, it seems you're a seasonal scarf wearer. Fair enough. Your scarf sounds cool and versatile. :)
Pity it's weather dependant though - I mean, you have that leather jacket and some kind of casual scarf would work with it really well. Just a thought, man... ;D

Well, we've only had a few days that were cold. I don't wear a leather jacket (or any kind of jacket for that matter) unless it's really cold outside. I tend to get hot easily, so anytime I don't have to wear a lot of clothes is a good day for me. ;)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 10, 2017, 01:34:10 AM
Quote from: Mirror Image on March 09, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
Well, we've only had a few days that were cold. I don't wear a leather jacket (or any kind of jacket for that matter) unless it's really cold outside. I tend to get hot easily, so anytime I don't have to wear a lot of clothes is a good day for me. ;)

I don't know, man...all of that kind of sounds like a convoluted way of saying "I don't want to wear a scarf". And as a result, I think you'll need to go on the watchlist for a while.  :-\ ;D
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: Drasko on March 10, 2017, 10:13:14 AM
We kinda touched on the subject before so I'm afraid I'm mostly gonna repeat myself.

I wear scarves often autumn through spring, much less so in the summer. For cold weather I prefer large cashmere pashminas, paisley patterned or solid, in strong but not too bright colors (deep reds, old gold ...) to offer strong enough contrast with black, black and white or grey coats but avoiding looking hippie or too ethnic. Like this one for instance:

(https://s3.postimg.org/i3flcb7v7/sal_veliki_vuneni_PASHMINA_slika_O_43522329.jpg)

Tend to avoid tying them in knots, prefer just wrapped and ruffled, again in contrast with neatness of coat/jacket lines, or just wrapped around if there's no coat/jacket. Something like this:

(https://s10.postimg.org/rtna1ptpl/4ed534419c3ccc5f7778b83eba5bf1f5.jpg)

I rarely wear scarf in summer, but lately I've been liking those very casual Alexander McQueen silk skull print scarfs (dia de la muertos inspired I presume) so I'm planning to get one (cheaply if possible) for this summer. Like this one:
https://www.farfetch.com/uk/shopping/men/alexander-mcqueen--skull-scarf-item-11518760.aspx


And no scarf related topic should exist without this picture:

(https://s27.postimg.org/6k4otty2r/634_Lenny_Kravitz_mh_010713.jpg)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 10, 2017, 11:12:13 AM
That's a fine, fine contribution indeed. Thank you for that, Draško.   8)   :)

And if we take nothing else from such an interesting, informative and stylish post, it's at the very least made it abundantly clear that all of us scarf wearers are part of a very broad church. :)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: kishnevi on March 10, 2017, 11:18:44 AM
Quote from: NikF on March 09, 2017, 08:22:56 PM
So, it seems you're a seasonal scarf wearer. Fair enough. Your scarf sounds cool and versatile. :)
Pity it's weather dependant though - I mean, you have that leather jacket and some kind of casual scarf would work with it really well. Just a thought, man... ;D

I have a couple of scarves in the closet, which I have not worn in years.  The climate here is just too warm, and I'm not hipster enough to get away with wearing a scarf over a t-shirt, shorts, and flip flops. :P

Do have two leather jackets, which I get to wear when the weather dives down below 60F, but that's not very often.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: Spineur on March 10, 2017, 11:29:02 AM
Many types of scarves, many possible uses.  The ones I like best are the real long ones to lengthen a silhouette like

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/29/fe/9e29fe1338f9680860293a2dfd52c9a7.jpg)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 10, 2017, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on March 10, 2017, 11:18:44 AM
I have a couple of scarves in the closet, which I have not worn in years.  The climate here is just too warm, and I'm not hipster enough to get away with wearing a scarf over a t-shirt, shorts, and flip flops. :P

Do have two leather jackets, which I get to wear when the weather dives down below 60F, but that's not very often.

I'm not hipster enough for anything, but it doesn't stop me. :laugh: Try wearing that combo? And if no one likes it - the hell with them  ;D
I do take your point about the hot weather, though.
Yeah, leather jackets (as ever, leather jackets that fit) are always cool. Good stuff.  8)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 10, 2017, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: Spineur on March 10, 2017, 11:29:02 AM
Many types of scarves, many possible uses.  The ones I like best are the real long ones to lengthen a silhouette like

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/29/fe/9e29fe1338f9680860293a2dfd52c9a7.jpg)

Great point. And 100% correct. Thanks for bringing it up. :)
At work the wardrobe people had bags of pieces that served to perform such tricks. Vital tools, yet also suitable for every day wear. So, real long scarves are cool, as are real long chicks.  8)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: Drasko on March 10, 2017, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: NikF on March 10, 2017, 11:43:09 AM
Yeah, leather jackets (as ever, leather jackets that fit) are always cool. Good stuff.  8)

My parents got me my first leather jacket when I was about 11 (still remember it: brown suede bomber, shearling-lined ), and I haven't been without one ever since. A bare necessity, if you ask me.

Quote from: NikF on March 10, 2017, 11:43:42 AM
So, real long scarves are cool, as are real long chicks.  8)

Yes, and yes!  8)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 10, 2017, 12:28:46 PM
Quote from: Draško on March 10, 2017, 12:06:11 PM
My parents got me my first leather jacket when I was about 11 (still remember it: brown suede bomber, shearling-lined ), and I haven't been without one ever since. A bare necessity, if you ask me.

Sounds like you were cool indeed.  8) ;D At the moment I'm lacking a brown leather jacket of any sort. But I'll remedy that soon.
And I'm in perfect agreement that a leather jacket is necessity.  :)

Last night at a concert I was wearing this blue suede jacket with these boots -

(http://i.imgur.com/ZXIsBTl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GjIfU5D.jpg)

- and a merino herringbone
(http://i.imgur.com/YKbA035.jpg)

Usually I would never match scarf and boots (or scarf to anything) but I made an exception.

 
Quote
Yes, and yes!  8)

Oh yeah.  8)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: aligreto on March 10, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
Quote from: NikF on March 09, 2017, 02:28:15 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/OexssKw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oSbge7y.jpg)


I wear scarves quite often, usually woolen ones but I definitely would not wear one with tassels on the end; straight end for me  :)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 10, 2017, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: aligreto on March 10, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
I wear scarves quite often, usually woolen ones but I definitely would not wear one with tassels on the end; straight end for me  :)

I see.  >:( Well, thank you for posting your opinion.

>:(

:laugh:
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: kishnevi on March 10, 2017, 03:55:53 PM
Actually, there is a sort of scarf I have used regularly for most of my life
(https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/85/154085-004-F80CDE24.jpg)
A highly specialized sort, of course, and the more traditional types are rather humdrum, but modern designs can be rather artistically interesting, albeit found usually in non Orthodox formats.
(http://www.arbel-judaica.com/images/Raw_Silk_Appliqued_Tallit.jpg)
(http://www.thegalileeexperience.com/store/images/uploads/TWT007-45/TWT007-45.jpg)
(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2015/10/elite-tallit-shawl-of-many-colors-02.jpg)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 10, 2017, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on March 10, 2017, 03:55:53 PM
Actually, there is a sort of scarf I have used regularly for most of my life
(https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/85/154085-004-F80CDE24.jpg)
A highly specialized sort, of course, and the more traditional types are rather humdrum, but modern designs can be rather artistically interesting, albeit found usually in non Orthodox formats.
(http://www.arbel-judaica.com/images/Raw_Silk_Appliqued_Tallit.jpg)
(http://www.thegalileeexperience.com/store/images/uploads/TWT007-45/TWT007-45.jpg)
(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2015/10/elite-tallit-shawl-of-many-colors-02.jpg)

Yeah, those are also scarves. What type(s) do you have? The traditional or modern? I like the first and the last of those you posted.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 10, 2017, 05:44:19 PM
Quote from: Thatfabulousalien on March 10, 2017, 05:43:11 PM
I'm not a scarf wearer, if I did though.....it'd have bells, led flashing lights and weird spacey noises coming off it  8)

Aaaaand....I'm not surprised by this.  ;D
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: kishnevi on March 10, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: NikF on March 10, 2017, 05:05:14 PM
Yeah, those are also scarves. What type(s) do you have? The traditional or modern? I like the first and the last of those you posted.

I use the first, boring, Orthodox type.

The last picture shows one that totally defeats the purpose it is intended for.
The Torah includes a command that any garment worn by men with four corners must have a certain type of fringe at each corner ("tzitzit").  The Rabbis of the Talmud expanded this command (which applies if and only if the garment has four square corners) to one in which every male must wear the garment. The reason is theological and way off topic for this thread. This has led to the tallit katan, the little tallit, which is worn by Orthodox men (the long fringes hanging down by their waist), but not usually worn by nonOrthodox Jews like me, and is essentially an undergarment.  The tallit gadol, the great tallit,  is worn during morning prayers, and that's the article known in English as a prayer shawl or Tallis (the Yiddish pronounciation), which is seen in the pictures provided. In many places, it is worn only by married men.  The whole purpose is to ensure one is wearing the fringed garment during prayers.  The last one I posted is without any fringes, meaning it is useless. Ironically, it has the blessing required to be said embroidered on its neckband ("blessed are You...who has commanded us to enwrap ourselves in fringes"), unlike the others.  Among Orthodox it is worn only by men, so if you see a woman wearing a tallit, that is a sure sign she is not Orthodox.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: Drasko on March 11, 2017, 01:40:27 AM
Quote from: NikF on March 10, 2017, 12:28:46 PM
At the moment I'm lacking a brown leather jacket of any sort. But I'll remedy that soon.

Check out Giorgio Brato, it's hipstery, but well made, maybe something catches your eye.

QuoteLast night at a concert I was wearing this blue suede jacket with these boots - Usually I would never match scarf and boots (or scarf to anything) but I made an exception.

It's not too matchy and navy and brown go well togheter.

That's a nice scarf. I like herringbone pattern. My favorite winter coat is a black and white herringbone tweed.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 11, 2017, 04:12:45 AM
Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on March 10, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
I use the first, boring, Orthodox type.

The last picture shows one that totally defeats the purpose it is intended for.
The Torah includes a command that any garment worn by men with four corners must have a certain type of fringe at each corner ("tzitzit").  The Rabbis of the Talmud expanded this command (which applies if and only if the garment has four square corners) to one in which every male must wear the garment. The reason is theological and way off topic for this thread. This has led to the tallit katan, the little tallit, which is worn by Orthodox men (the long fringes hanging down by their waist), but not usually worn by nonOrthodox Jews like me, and is essentially an undergarment.  The tallit gadol, the great tallit,  is worn during morning prayers, and that's the article known in English as a prayer shawl or Tallis (the Yiddish pronounciation), which is seen in the pictures provided. In many places, it is worn only by married men.  The whole purpose is to ensure one is wearing the fringed garment during prayers.  The last one I posted is without any fringes, meaning it is useless. Ironically, it has the blessing required to be said embroidered on its neckband ("blessed are You...who has commanded us to enwrap ourselves in fringes"), unlike the others.  Among Orthodox it is worn only by men, so if you see a woman wearing a tallit, that is a sure sign she is not Orthodox.

How interesting.
My ignorance extends far beyond classical music and into a huge number of areas and so when I learn something new I consider it valuable. And while there are resources such as books and websites, I always appreciate when someone takes the time to impart their own knowledge and experience to me. So thanks for taking the time to post that. :)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 11, 2017, 04:24:24 AM
Quote from: Draško on March 11, 2017, 01:40:27 AM
Check out Giorgio Brato, it's hipstery, but well made, maybe something catches your eye.

It's not too matchy and navy and brown go well togheter.

That's a nice scarf. I like herringbone pattern. My favorite winter coat is a black and white herringbone tweed.

Thanks for the suggestion. I've had a (albeit quick) look at some of the pieces and there's certainly nice stuff there, some of it close to what I have in mind for a brown leather jacket.

Your winter coat sounds like a classic. I often like a fit of black and white and grey, but with a splash of colour - usually a scarf! - to the point of looking like a character shot in black and white, although I always stop short of George Méliès. ;D
My own favourite winter coat is a simple tailored fit peacoat, in charcoal. And I know that somewhere out there is a grey and pink scarf for it.

An aside: I have a face like an old burst punchbag and I enjoy dressing as a counterpoint to that. :)

e: at the moment the scarf I most often wear with the peacoat is a navy Breton stripe.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: Drasko on March 13, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: NikF on March 11, 2017, 04:24:24 AM

My own favourite winter coat is a simple tailored fit peacoat, in charcoal. And I know that somewhere out there is a grey and pink scarf for it.

That's another classic. I love peacoats. Haven't seen anything grey-pink recently but Pal Zileri have some really lovely pale pink/purple print scarves that might work with charcoal coat (if it's not a too heavy coat):

(https://cdnb.lystit.com/200/250/tr/photos/farfetch/11894339-NUDENEUTRALS-a2155c3e-.jpeg)  (https://cdnd.lystit.com/200/250/tr/photos/farfetch/11894341-PINKPURPLE-e80bbc46-.jpeg)

QuoteAn aside: I have a face like an old burst punchbag and I enjoy dressing as a counterpoint to that. :)

Dressing in counterpoint is something that I quite like as a general concept.

Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on March 14, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
Quote from: Draško on March 13, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
That's another classic. I love peacoats. Haven't seen anything grey-pink recently but Pal Zileri have some really lovely pale pink/purple print scarves that might work with charcoal coat (if it's not a too heavy coat):

(https://cdnb.lystit.com/200/250/tr/photos/farfetch/11894339-NUDENEUTRALS-a2155c3e-.jpeg)  (https://cdnd.lystit.com/200/250/tr/photos/farfetch/11894341-PINKPURPLE-e80bbc46-.jpeg)


The peacoat is kind of heavy, I feel. But I like the second and I've a Selected Homme Suede Shirt Jacket in grey (and a similar other in black) that it would be cool for.
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: Drasko on March 15, 2017, 09:34:42 AM
Quote from: NikF on March 14, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
But I like the second and I've a Selected Homme Suede Shirt Jacket in grey (and a similar other in black) that it would be cool for.

Yeah, that should work well. 8)
Title: Re: Scarf it down, baby... Neckwear for the cool and good.
Post by: NikF on September 02, 2017, 08:47:50 PM
Last month(?) a former colleague was shooting some pieces from past seasons. I was asked to hold a reflector due to my ability to do so professionally and with soul. ;D I was paid (of course) but also received my pick of items and chose this simple woollen scarf by Ermenegildo Zegna.

(https://i.imgur.com/JRfYQN7.jpg)

(Not my photo.)