GAAP requires an offsetting credit for every debit, so where are the debits for that are the offsetting book entry for new more complex organisms supposedly evolve? sorry, this just proves macro-evolution is false.
Quote from: bwv 1080 on August 11, 2017, 01:51:12 PM
GAAP requires an offsetting credit for every debit, so where are the debits for that are the offsetting book entry for new more complex organisms supposedly evolve? sorry, this just proves macro-evolution is false.
C'mon, if you wanted to really make this the sort of clickbait conspiracy account that it deserves to be, it should be headed:
10 Facts Evolutionary "Scientists" Don't Want You to Hear! Evolution 100% Debunked!!
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on August 11, 2017, 02:07:41 PM
Jesus invites all eligible homeowners to refinance their mortgages
Of course, it increases his earnings.
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This is just idiotic. GAAP has only been around for a few decades, and since the earth is about 10,000 years old, evolutionary theory (d'uh!) must be based on a wilful misreading of the scientific data. Plus, the work of the devil.
Quote from: Mahlerian on August 11, 2017, 02:03:37 PM
C'mon, if you wanted to really make this the sort of clickbait conspiracy account that it deserves to be, it should be headed:
10 Facts Evolutionary "Scientists" Don't Want You to Hear! Evolution 100% Debunked!!
Of course! How bout
Leading CPA reveals TRUTH about evolution
Quote from: bwv 1080 on August 11, 2017, 01:51:12 PM
GAAP requires an offsetting credit for every debit, so where are the debits for that are the offsetting book entry for new more complex organisms supposedly evolve? sorry, this just proves macro-evolution is false.
You're saying life is the original Ponzi scheme?
Quote from: Scarpia on August 11, 2017, 02:31:36 PM
You're saying life is the original Ponzi scheme?
Not a Ponzi scheme, more of a multi-level marketing scam like Amway
Quote from: nodogen on August 11, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
This is just idiotic. GAAP has only been around for a few decades, and since the earth is about 10,000 years old, evolutionary theory (d'uh!) must be based on a wilful misreading of the scientific data. Plus, the work of the devil.
Heresy! If GAAP was not ordained by GOD at creation then why did GOD give Moses the Ten Commandments on TWO tablets, in double entry?!?
Think like a Congressman: if the egg laid by a chicken hatches, and a chick comes out, how can Evolution be true?!
Quote from: bwv 1080 on August 11, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
Not a Ponzi scheme, more of a multi-level marketing scam like Amway
My apologies for being serious a moment, but in the case of evolution the capital (geothermal, chemical and light energy) was free and unlimited. Where is Florestan?
From the TalkOrigins (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CA/) Archive:
Claim CB102: Mutations are random noise; they do not add information. Evolution cannot cause an increase in information.
Response:
1) Oh yeah?
2) I'm not, but you are!
3) According to Shannon-Weaver information theory, random noise maximizes information. This is not just playing word games. The random variation that mutations add to populations is the variation on which selection acts. Mutation alone will not cause adaptive evolution, but by eliminating nonadaptive variation, natural selection communicates information about the environment to the organism so that the organism becomes better adapted to it. Natural selection is the process by which information about the environment is transferred to an organism's genome and thus to the organism (Adami et al. 2000).
That's why we call it evolution by natural selection. Oh, and I think I might have got 1) and 2) slightly wrong.
Quote from: drogulus on August 11, 2017, 03:22:05 PM
From the TalkOrigins (http://www.talkorigins.org/) Archive:
Claim CB102: Mutations are random noise; they do not add information. Evolution cannot cause an increase in information.
Response:
1) Oh yeah?
2) I'm not, but you are!
3) According to Shannon-Weaver information theory, random noise maximizes information. This is not just playing word games. The random variation that mutations add to populations is the variation on which selection acts. Mutation alone will not cause adaptive evolution, but by eliminating nonadaptive variation, natural selection communicates information about the environment to the organism so that the organism becomes better adapted to it. Natural selection is the process by which information about the environment is transferred to an organism's genome and thus to the organism (Adami et al. 2000).
That's why we call it evolution by natural selection. Oh, and I think I might have got 1) and 2) slightly wrong.
And information is not the right term. Does a snowflake have more 'information' than the individual hydrogen and oxygen molecules that formed it? Information theory is just derived from thermodynamics with its concept of entropy and nothing in evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics as the earth is not a closed system
Evolution violates the common sense of scientifically illiterate people!
It's a geographical thing. In some places evolution is true and in other places such as the Bible belt creation or ID is true. Here in Finland where I live evolution is considered true by most people but say in Poland I think creation is true, am I wrong? Maybe that's what Trump's alternative facts are about: The facts are dependent on where you are and what kind of upbringing/education/etc. you have had. It's really surprising, because one would think facts are objective and not "alternative". The difference between facts and opinions is harder to see than we think.
:-X
This is completely backwards. Evolution happens when a DR crosses the line to the credit side.
Quote from: bwv 1080 on August 11, 2017, 03:51:16 PM
And information is not the right term. Does a snowflake have more 'information' than the individual hydrogen and oxygen molecules that formed it? Information theory is just derived from thermodynamics with its concept of entropy and nothing in evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics as the earth is not a closed system
No, information theory is not derived from thermodynamics. Von Neuman just suggested the term entropy to Shannon, based on the similarity of two equations. It derives from coding theory.
In fact thermodynamic entropy is a special case of a kind of information. I can supply a good book for this but the name escapes me at the moment.
Quote from: bwv 1080 on August 11, 2017, 03:51:16 PM
And information is not the right term. Does a snowflake have more 'information' than the individual hydrogen and oxygen molecules that formed it? Information theory is just derived from thermodynamics with its concept of entropy and nothing in evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics as the earth is not a closed system
Claim CF005:
The second law of thermodynamics applies to information theory. It follows that genetic information will become increasingly degraded as it gets repeatedly copied over time.
Response:
While statistical information theory has a quantity called "entropy", it does not have anything equivalent to the second law of thermodynamics. In a general information processing/transmitting system, entropy can freely decrease or increase.
There are some classes of information systems in which information can only decrease, for example a deterministic, causally isolated system with discrete states. However (at least in this case) the information loss corresponds to a decrease in entropy.
Information theory does sort of have a principle of degradation, but it is only applicable in certain situations (which evolution isn't one of). It implies, essentially, that information change is irreversible: information gets more and more different from how it started out, and the more it gets changed, the harder it is to tell how it started out. In a communication or information storage system, where the goal is to transmit or replay the original message intact, change is necessarily bad, so this corresponds to degradation. In evolution, change is not necessarily bad, so this is not a principle of degradation.
Quote from: bwv 1080 on August 11, 2017, 03:06:13 PM
Heresy! If GAAP was not ordained by GOD at creation then why did GOD give Moses the Ten Commandments on TWO tablets, in double entry?!?
There were 3 tablets! I've seen the video, Moses fumbled one. (And don't tell me the video is a fake. They couldn't fake video back then.)
Quote from: Ken B on August 11, 2017, 04:17:31 PM
There were 3 tablets! I've seen the video, Moses fumbled one. (And don't tell me the video is a fake. They couldn't fake video back then.)
https://www.youtube.com/v/nXeTsWGPT0w
Quote from: Mahlerian on August 11, 2017, 02:03:37 PM
C'mon, if you wanted to really make this the sort of clickbait conspiracy account that it deserves to be, it should be headed:
10 Facts Evolutionary "Scientists" Don't Want You to Hear! Evolution 100% Debunked!!
Number 7 will shock you!
Quote from: bwv 1080 on August 11, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
Not a Ponzi scheme, more of a multi-level marketing scam like Amway
Thank you for that clarification.
Quote from: Ken B on August 11, 2017, 04:17:31 PM
There were 3 tablets! I've seen the video, Moses fumbled one. (And don't tell me the video is a fake. They couldn't fake video back then.)
This is the Almighty we're talking about.
Nobody edits video better than the Almighty. Nobody.
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Quote from: 71 dB on August 11, 2017, 03:55:53 PM
Evolution violates the common sense of scientifically illiterate people!
It's a geographical thing. In some places evolution is true and in other places such as the Bible belt creation or ID is true. Here in Finland where I live evolution is considered true by most people but say in Poland I think creation is true, am I wrong? Maybe that's what Trump's alternative facts are about: The facts are dependent on where you are and what kind of upbringing/education/etc. you have had. It's really surprising, because one would think facts are objective and not "alternative". The difference between facts and opinions is harder to see than we think.
:-X
This is true. Here in the UK, 52% of the voting population think that evolutionary theory is an EU scam, probably dreamt up by the French and Germans for some nefarious benefit. God would never have joined the EU; He doesn't like black people either.
Quote from: nodogen on August 12, 2017, 12:02:05 AM
This is true. Here in the UK, 52% of the voting population think that evolutionary theory is an EU scam, probably dreamt up by the French and Germans for some nefarious benefit.
Darwin and Wallace must have been so pro EU!
Btw, as a firm believer of evolution I want my share of the nefarious benefit!! I haven't got a dime! Unfair! >:D
Quote from: 71 dB on August 12, 2017, 12:21:59 AM
Darwin and Wallace must have been so pro EU!
Btw, as a firm believer of evolution I want my share of the nefarious benefit!! I haven't got a dime! Unfair! >:D
You should be made aware that after Brexit the possession of dimes will be a criminal offence, along with any other foreign currency. All true patriots will naturally want to return to pounds, shillings and pence. Or even better, groats.
Quote from: BasilValentine on August 11, 2017, 03:17:35 PM
Where is Florestan?
Thanks, but no, thanks. First, this is not a serious thread and second, I realized that debating religion and politics on internet boards is a huge waste of time and a vast exercise in futility. Let everyone believe what they will and let's move on to some music.
Quote from: Florestan on August 12, 2017, 02:06:34 AM
Thanks, but no, thanks. First, this is not a serious thread and second, I realized that debating religion and politics on internet boards is a huge waste of time and a vast exercise in futility. Let everyone believe what they will and let's move on to some music.
You are right. My apologies.