Have at it.
Pant suits. There are people who hate her, just because she wears pant suits.
But pants suit her very well.
She is a goddess, beyond good and evil, like Nefertiti. That's a rare quality in a politician.
faults and wrongdoings:
- lots of bad stuff
the good:
- she really, really pisses off conservatives for some reason
Breathing. That's got to be annoying.
Believe 0 she says. That may be an affliction of many politicians, but she does it so well.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 01, 2017, 05:06:16 PM
Pant suits. There are people who hate her, just because she wears pant suits.
Does she? Then I think I hate her. Pant suits.........sheesh....
Quote from: amw on September 01, 2017, 07:11:24 PM
the good:
- she really, really pisses off conservatives for some reason
Hatred for her may be the only thing that unites them. Which could account for the constant "Hillary!" cheers over in the other thread.
Quote from: drogulus on September 01, 2017, 07:07:00 PM
She is a goddess, beyond good and evil, like Nefertiti. That's a rare quality in a politician.
More like Kali.
Quote from: nodogen on September 02, 2017, 02:50:29 AM
Does she? Then I think I hate her. Pant suits.........sheesh....
Can you imagine the horror of her actually wearing a dress?
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on September 02, 2017, 05:34:57 AM
Can you imagine the horror of her actually wearing a dress?
I'm trying not to, but pant suits are just
wrong.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 02, 2017, 03:42:15 AM
Hatred for her may be the only thing that unites them. Which could account for the constant "Hillary!" cheers over in the other thread.
Not hatred but astonishment. How can one actually hate
Lady Macbeth? One can only feel sorry for her.
"Out, damned spot, Out, I say!" Actually VERY pitiful how this type ends up...
Quote from: nodogen on September 02, 2017, 05:38:22 AM
I'm trying not to, but pant suits are just wrong.
I don't have any in my closet but their absence could be a reaction to the previous generation in my family.
Clinton's biggest wrong doing? Beating out Bernie Sanders for the Dem nom.
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 02, 2017, 05:46:51 AM
Clinton's biggest wrong doing? Beating out Bernie Sanders for the Dem nom.
It was only a "gentle nudge"...
Quote from: TheGSMoeller on September 02, 2017, 05:46:51 AM
Clinton's biggest wrong doing? Beating out Bernie Sanders for the Dem nom.
"Sorry, Bernie...
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Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 02, 2017, 05:57:44 AM
"Sorry, Bernie...
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As Trump would
say tweet...SAD!
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 01, 2017, 05:06:16 PM
Pant suits. There are people who hate her, just because she wears pant suits.
No I want her to be treated just like Kristian Saucier who took pictures of classified materials and did not put them on a private server but still went to jail. So treat her like him or him like her the law should treat them both the same. Or do you believe the law does not apply to all people the same way? Sure you will not answer that.
Quote from: Johnnie Burgess on September 02, 2017, 08:19:42 AM
No I want her to be treated just like Kristian Saucier who took pictures of classified materials and did not put them on a private server but still went to jail. So treat her like him or him like her the law should treat them both the same. Or do you believe the law does not apply to all people the same way? Sure you will not answer that.
They didn't commit the same offence, so there is no reason to think they should be treated the same. He had a point that other navy personnel guilty of the same offence got off easier, but he complicated matters by destroying evidence. I wouldn't disagree that his treatment was rarhet harsh, but what does that have to do with Clinton?
Never had any issues with George
Quote from: Scarpia on September 02, 2017, 08:30:34 AM
They didn't commit the same offence, so there is no reason to think they should be treated the same. He had a point that other navy personnel guilty of the same offence got off easier, but he complicated matters by destroying evidence. I wouldn't disagree that his treatment was rarhet harsh, but what does that have to do with Clinton?
She had classified material on a server not controlled by the government. She had material that was not even allowed on a system like Special Access Programs which are beyond classified. Having the Special Access Programs on her server should have been enough to send her to jail.
Hillary: "Thanks, Obama." (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/349548-clintons-score-settling-frustrates-democrats)
First Obama, now Clinton. Are you planning to start more of these threads about all American liberal politicians? Are you planning to start any about non-Americans or conservatives? For instance, an Oliver Cromwell: faults and wrong doings thread might be quite popular.
Clinton and Obama threads spinoffs of the Trump threads, where the primary Trump nemesis's have their own arenas.
Quote from: Scarpia on September 07, 2017, 01:16:29 PM
Clinton and Obama threads spinoffs of the Trump threads, where the primary Trump nemesis's have their own arenas.
The "Sound the Trumpets" thread certainly has a majority of posters who think a certain way, but the thread originally was intended (as was the election thread) as a general discussion of the presidency/election...not just "faults and wrong doings".
Quote from: Brian on September 07, 2017, 12:50:34 PMAre you planning to start more of these threads about all American liberal politicians?
I nominate Andrew Cuomo.
Quote from: Brian on September 07, 2017, 01:37:03 PM
The "Sound the Trumpets" thread certainly has a majority of posters who think a certain way, but the thread originally was intended (as was the election thread) as a general discussion of the presidency/election...not just "faults and wrong doings".
I think these threads are a joke, more than anything else, with nominal motivation to clear the Trump thread for discussion of Trump.
I was sick of the commonest defence of Trump being no mention of Trump at all, but only "Well Clinton did this" or "Obama did that." So I reckoned there might be an outside chance of the Trump thread mainly being about Trump if the diversionary apologists had two appropriate threads for their listing of Clinton and Obama's faults and wrong doings.
Naively optimistic, I know.
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Quote from: nodogen on September 08, 2017, 01:07:39 AM
I was sick of the commonest defence of Trump being no mention of Trump at all, but only "Well Clinton did this" or "Obama did that." So I reckoned there might be an outside chance of the Trump thread mainly being about Trump if the diversionary apologists had two appropriate threads for their listing of Clinton and Obama's faults and wrong doings.
Naively optimistic, I know.
There is reportedly a new Facebook page "Hillary in 2020" . . . since Clinton is not running for office (thank God), the speculation is that this is the work of right-wing trolls trying to keep the Right unified the only way they can be: whipped-up frenetic hatred of Hillary!
Shrillary said she was quite chuffed never to seek the American presidency, nor any public office again after she was defeated by Obama in the Democratic party primary on two different network's television interviews - and yet - there she was last year running.
She won't stop until someone drives a stake thru her heart. ::)
Quote from: Scion7 on September 14, 2017, 01:09:05 AM
Shrillary said she was quite chuffed never to seek the American presidency, nor any public office again after she was defeated by Obama in the Democratic party primary on two different network's television interviews - and yet - there she was last year running.
She won't stop until someone drives a stake thru her heart. ::)
I cannot say, that you may not be right.
Go away, lady; TIA.
Quote from: Scion7 on September 14, 2017, 01:09:05 AM
Shrillary said she was quite chuffed never to seek the American presidency, nor any public office again after she was defeated by Obama in the Democratic party primary on two different network's television interviews - and yet - there she was last year running.
Hey, it worked for Nixon.
Bad Good example.
Lady, go away; TIA
Ding, dong, the witch is dead (only she doesn't know it).
Shkreli wanted to be an Internet supervillain. This time it cost him.
Martin Shkreli jailed after Facebook post about Hillary Clinton (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/09/13/martin-shkreli-apologizes-for-facebook-post-about-hillary-clinton/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_shkreli616pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.7c4a940c709a)
But, harassing women is okay, if the object of the harassment is a Clinton. Jeeeez!
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on September 14, 2017, 03:10:44 AM
Ding, dong, the witch is dead
Hey, this was thatcher's epitaph. (Got to no.2 in the UK chart)
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on September 14, 2017, 03:10:44 AM
Ding, dong, the witch is dead (only she doesn't know it).
"The dogs bark but the caravan moves on"
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
The right-wing press may never grow weary of flogging the dead Clinton horse (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451447/hillary-clinton-what-happened-real-title-why-i-shouldve-won)
Just for the record:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6996/10-devastating-facts-benghazi-report-james-barrett#
After an extensive two-year investigation that included reviews of all available official correspondence, at least 100 interviews with government officials, 15 hearings, and 64 briefings, the House Benghazi Committee has released an 800-page report detailing the deadly incompetence and blatant deceptiveness of the administration that resulted in four Americans murdered and the pushing of a false narrative to the American people to cover for the failures of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama.
Despite the Democrats' preemptive attempts to dismiss the report as a partisan hit-job on Clinton, even left-leaning outlets are being forced to acknowledge the scrupulousness of the investigation, helmed by Republican Trey Gowdy, and the damning evidence that the Obama administration "failed across multiple agencies and levels to protect American diplomats in the 2012 Benghazi terrorist attack."
Worse, the report shows that the Benghazi attack was not only an avoidable tragedy, but the administration's response to it involved "intentional and coordinated" deception.
Here are eight damning facts detailed in the report.
1. The Clinton State Department knew full well that the Benghazi compound was undermanned.
2. Requests for increased security at Benghazi were either ignored or outright refused by the department.
3. The administration put the lives of Americans in the hands of incompetent and untrustworthy militia.
4. The administration failed to respond in time, in part because of political concerns.
5. Clinton et al overrode the order to send a rescue team because they mistakenly thought the attack was over.
6. The administration's claim that the attack was a result of the YouTube video was a complete fiction.
7. The administration engaged in a "shameful" stonewalling attempt during the investigation.
8. The administration blocked all attempts to investigate the alleged secret transfer of weapons to Libyan rebels.
Like Bernie or hate him, you can still join me in thanking Donna Brazile:
Ex-DNC chair goes at the Clintons, alleging Hillary's campaign hijacked DNC during primary with Bernie Sanders (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/02/ex-dnc-chair-goes-at-the-clintons-alleging-hillarys-campaign-hijacked-dnc-during-primary-with-bernie-sanders/)
[...] We come to five conclusions.
First, pundits continue to undervalue Hillary Clinton's unpopularity in 2016. In Loudoun, Fairfax and Prince William counties, Virginia Governor-elect Ralph Northam got a higher percentage of voters than she did. One can imagine independent or #NeverHillary Republicans who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton and didn't think Donald Trump would win anyway. Those voters are now scared and stunned — and decided to send a message now that they have had it with President Trump and Trumpism. Duplicate that situation in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania — where Trump won by a scant 79,000 votes combined — and you see how Clinton was perhaps uniquely incapable of winning. Wouldn't a generic Democrat have done better? In short, Democrats will solve a good deal of their problem when Clinton is not on the ballot. Northam was as close to a "generic Democrat" as one can get. A generic Democrat can trounce a Trump Republican.
Pundits: Please, just STOP flogging the Clinton horse. Let her political career die a natural death. Give it a dang rest.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 08, 2017, 10:22:00 AMPundits: Please, just STOP flogging the Clinton horse. Let her political career die a natural death. Give it a dang rest.
She doesn't seem to be willing to go away. The horse ain't dead.
The DNC rammed her down our throats, and she was apparently the only Democratic candidate capable of loosing to Trump. Have to be sure the horse is down for good.
But seriously!
Feminists saved the 42nd president of the United States in the 1990s. They were on the wrong side of history; is it finally time to make things right? (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/)
When your viewers are more interested in reinforcement, than in the facts:
Fox News' Shepherd Smith debunks his network's favorite Hillary Clinton 'scandal,' infuriates viewers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/15/fox-news-shepherd-smith-debunks-his-networks-hillary-clinton-scandal-story-infuriates-viewers/?hpid=hp_hp-morning-mix_mm-smith%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5e2901642066)
Why Kirsten Gillibrand saying that Bill Clinton should've resigned is a big deal (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fix-gillibrand-1003am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc33bfd23fb0)
After having been caught having sex with an intern in the oval office, I think he should have resigned.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on November 13, 2017, 09:45:58 AM
Feminists saved the 42nd president of the United States in the 1990s. They were on the wrong side of history; is it finally time to make things right? (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/)
Interesting article, two excerpts:
Juanita Broaddrick reported that when she was a volunteer on one of his gubernatorial campaigns, she had arranged to meet him in a hotel coffee shop. At the last minute, he had changed the location to her room in the hotel, where she says he very violently raped her. Caitlin, the authoress, is very uppity about the following:
"Even if the allegations are true, the President is not guilty of sexual harassment. He is accused of having made a gross, dumb, and reckless pass at a supporter during a low point in her life. She pushed him away, she said, and it never happened again. In other words, President Clinton took 'no' for an answer."In the first example, the lady should have not put herself in a compromising situation. In the 2nd, an attempt was made but repulsed. This can go both ways, folks! Girls and women are not always innocent pure damsels. They can also make "passes", play the seductive vamp, and then cry "rapo".
I am trying to ignore the 24/7 mud slinging and moral preening (as someone mentioned here) with regard to Roy Moore, whose accusers came out suddenly after 40 years, some of their allegations rather shaky with dubious character references. He may have gone on dates with younger girls who may well have LIED about their ages back then. Just imagine the status of having such a catch when bragged among girlfriends.
There should be a statute of limitations for this kind of thing unless there is a pattern of abuse as with Bill Clinton or credible corroboration by others who may have had similar experiences from film stars and directors or clergy.
Read and weep:
https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/donations-to-clinton-foundation-plunged-along-with-hillarys-election-defeat/
Donations to the Clinton Foundation took a precipitous dive for a second year in a row as Justice Department officials mulled whether they would appoint a special prosecutor to probe the non-profit's "alleged unlawful dealings."
Last week, in a letter to the House Judiciary Committee, the Justice Department said that it may appoint prosecutors to examine allegations that millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation were tied to an Obama Administration uranium deal.
As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton greenlighted the Russian purchase of Uranium One, a Canadian company with uranium assets in the US, at a time when many of the company's owners had given a combined total of $145 million to the Clinton family charity.
Yeah, "charity", my aardvark!
But what about Trump?
Billy Boy got a standing ovation back in 1995:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu
"All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.
In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."
Firefighters extinguish fire on Bill and Hillary Clinton's Chappaqua property (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-and-hillary-clinton-chappaqua-ny-home-fire/)
I wonder if it started in the server room.
Quote from: Todd on January 03, 2018, 04:40:50 PM
Firefighters extinguish fire on Bill and Hillary Clinton's Chappaqua property (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-and-hillary-clinton-chappaqua-ny-home-fire/)
I wonder if it started in the server room.
Possibly the tech-clueless HRC was trying to burn her undiscovered emails. :)
The FBI is investigating the Clinton Foundation (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-fbi-is-investigating-the-clinton-foundation/2018/01/05/1aca0d4a-f1cf-11e7-97bf-bba379b809ab_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fbi-1147a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ca43cc11c947)
Her latest crime: Mocking Fearless Leader! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/01/28/hillary-clinton-joins-trump-mocking-skit-at-the-grammys-reads-excerpt-from-fire-and-fury/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_hillary-150am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.3831a845b143)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on January 29, 2018, 01:05:44 AM
Her latest crime: Mocking Fearless Leader! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/01/28/hillary-clinton-joins-trump-mocking-skit-at-the-grammys-reads-excerpt-from-fire-and-fury/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_hillary-150am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.3831a845b143)
No, this is a crime:
http://yournewswire.com/president-clintons-raped-haiti/
Former Senate President of Haiti, Bernard Sansaricq, has criticized Bill and Hillary Clinton for "raping and pillaging my beloved Haiti", and urged President Trump to investigate the financial affairs of the Clinton Foundation... (He) explained how the Clintons have abused their positions of power, and stolen billions of dollars in the process...how the Clinton Foundation received billions of dollars from Bill's corporate "friends", who in return got preferential treatment in looting the island nation.
"Then in 2010, after the earthquake in Haiti not only American taxpayers but the whole world has given billions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation for the Haitians."
But the Clintons conned the world. The thieves at the Clinton Foundation pocketed the money, giving a minuscule percentage to Haiti in its hour of desperate need.
"Not even 2% of that money went back to Haiti."
I do not understand why some people have a right to hate Clinton, but no one has a right to hate Trump (Warning to Trumpsters, I have you on ignore.)
If Clinton is tried and found guilty of anything I would be the first to say lock her up. And we should also reserve a cell for Trump next to her's.
The latest Intercept podcast includes an interview with a Haitian activist (currently in the US on TPS) covering, in part, how successive US administrations have utterly destroyed Haiti by providing military and political support for murderous dictators, interning refugees at Guantanamo Bay, etc..... its a bipartisan project (Reagan did probably the most damage in the modern era but Clinton is not far behind).
Also worth noting that the UN peacekeepers introduced after the earthquake are now accused of all sorts of atrocities including, allegedly, intentionally spreading cholera.
The project to "rape" Haiti is an international one and always has been. No surprise since its very existence is an act of rebellion against European settler colonists.
ROFLMAO
You know you're visiting the right-wing bubble, when in Jan 2018 the big story on the front page is Hillary
Breaking up with Hillary Clinton (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2018/01/30/breaking-up-with-hillary-clinton/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d462077b2bd4)