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This is a mass reconstruction from Codex Heuelgas by the women's group Voces Huelgas. The manuscript was found in a convent, so using women's voices is not without justification. And the music could well have been sung out of the context of a real mass - so instruments are a possibility.
The really astonishing thing is how they use instruments. A lot of the time it's just the singers. When the instruments come in it's all very subtle, often just a harp or a viol, it sounds right.
But often there's this deep deep hum in the background, it's some sort of trombone. The effect is totally unlike anything I've ever heard before - the singers have very high voices and the contrast between them and the trombone is utterly disorienting, not unlike Pérès' throat singers.
Anyway, whatever. It's committed and serious and sensual, by turns prayerful and dramatic, totally involving and needs to be heard.
They have another Codex Huelgas CD:
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According to the entry for this disc at medieval.org (http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/sny60844.htm (http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/sny60844.htm)) other volumes are planned for this series, though I can't find any more. As both volumes were recorded in 1998 further releases would seem unlikely, more's the pity.
Quote from: Mr. Minnow on September 21, 2017, 04:25:40 PM
They have another Codex Huelgas CD:
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According to the entry for this disc at medieval.org (http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/sny60844.htm (http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/sny60844.htm)) other volumes are planned for this series, though I can't find any more. As both volumes were recorded in 1998 further releases would seem unlikely, more's the pity.
Thanks I've ordered it and I've had an email to say it's been dispatched, so fingers crossed. I also ordered Thomas Binkley's Camino CD, mainly because I've been really enjoying a track called Planctas aus las Huelgas here - I don't know what the music is, where it's from or anything, but it's like I'm transported to a club with hashish pipes in Istanbul when I hear it, which is just what I need.
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Oh, and I ordered their Abelard CD while I was at it, it's been an expensive day.
Quote from: Mandryka on September 22, 2017, 06:59:47 AM
Thanks I've ordered it and I've had an email to say it's been dispatched, so fingers crossed. I also ordered Thomas Binkley's Camino CD, mainly because I've been really enjoying a track called Planctas aus las Huelgas here - I don't know what the music is, where it's from or anything, but it's like I'm transported to a club with hashish pipes in Istanbul when I hear it, which is just what I need.
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Sounds like a perfectly good reason for buying it to me! I think I have the Planctus disc as part of an old box set on Virgin. I bought the reissue of Binkley's Camino albums. It's good that they put both albums on a single CD, but the lack of sung texts and translations is a real pain. Having said that, I've no idea if the original releases had them and even if they did they're probably only available at absurd prices.
QuoteOh, and I ordered their Abelard CD while I was at it, it's been an expensive day.
You did well to get that Abelard disc, especially if you didn't have to pay through the nose for it. The only separately released CD version I could find on Amazon is completely unavailable - not even a second hand copy at an obscene price. Even the US Amazon has no copies listed. The only other way to get it on CD appears to be as part of one of those old Reflexe box sets. That set is on Amazon, at the bargain price of £225.
Still, while I had no luck finding Binkley's Abelard disc, I did find this while I was searching for it:
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I wasn't sure if this was a reissue of something I already had under another title, but no, according to the back cover it's a recent recording - May 2016 - so I've ordered it. Should be good.
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Theatrum Instrumentorum sing the Cantigas de Santa Maria like a bunch of fishwives and goatherds, the result is fresh, colourful, light somehow, secular sounding and very satisfying in a sort of Musica Reservata way. They took their inspiration from images in the manuscript showing instruments like ones used even today by (northern? ) Mediterranean folk musicians.
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Voces Huelgas director Luis Lozano Virumbrales was also involved with another ensemble, Grupo de Musica Alfonso X el Sabio. They released a CD of music from the Codex Calixtinus:
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As with the Voces Huelgas CDs this was recorded in the late 90s. They don't seem to have released anything for years so I assume they're no longer around.
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A serious, engaged and restrained performance of some music from Codex Huelgas and elsewhere here from the women's ensemble Cum Jubilo. The music they chose is often polyphonic, in presentation at least - sometimes they sing two songs simultaneously, or break up a song to create a sort of pared down antiphony. No instruments, which may not be justifiable historically but, for better or for worse, it contributes to a feeling of purity, austerity, interiority. All that makes me want to say that they're like a women's Orlando Consort or Gothic Voices. And like Orlando Consort and the others their manner of creating tones is not folksy and fish-wifey, nor exotic and oriental. Neither is it like a 19th century lieder singer. As with Anonymous 4 I find the similarity of the timbres of the voices very attractive, like an piece of organ music played with full organ. But the comparison with Anonymous 4 doesn't really carry into other areas: they're punchier, less soothing and less sweet.
Quote from: Mr. Minnow on September 21, 2017, 04:25:40 PM
They have another Codex Huelgas CD:
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According to the entry for this disc at medieval.org (http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/sny60844.htm (http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/sny60844.htm)) other volumes are planned for this series, though I can't find any more. As both volumes were recorded in 1998 further releases would seem unlikely, more's the pity.
I think this is particularly beautiful, thanks for pointing it out. They even use something which sounds like a didgeridoo, what couldn't be cooler than that?
Quote from: Mandryka on September 27, 2017, 12:16:21 PM
I think this is particularly beautiful, thanks for pointing it out. They even use something which sounds like a didgeridoo, what couldn't be cooler than that?
Glad you like it! I haven't got round to playing it yet, it's sitting somewhere in my pile - or, more accurately, mountain - of unplayed discs. The "didgeridoo" sounds interesting!
I've just found another CD by the Grupo de Musica Alfonso X el Sabio:
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I had no idea this even existed until I stumbled across it. Just ordered it, should be an interesting disc.
Quote from: Mr. Minnow on September 28, 2017, 03:22:15 PM
The "didgeridoo" sounds interesting!
It's a tromba marina
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Quote from: val (are you still with us?) in 2008 on this closed thread
http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,9.msg250728.html#msg250728ALFONSO EL SABIO: Cantigas de Santa Maria / Esther Lamandier (ASTREE)
Lamandier has a strange but impressive voice. She sings and plays the harp and portative organ. I don't think that this works were intended to be presented this way, but the main problem is Lamandier's diction. The songs are written in Galician-Portuguese language but they could be in Chinese: it is impossible to understand a single word.
I think Val's comment about the voice is right, in fact I'd say Esther Lamandier has one of the great early music voices. I find what she does charismatic and listenable. I don't see any reason to think there's anything problematic about using harp or organ to accompany. And my Galician and Portuguese is so non existant I can't comment on diction, apart to say that my ignorance means I don't care.
Codex Calixtinus has also been recorded by Ensemble Venance Fortunat directed by Anne-Marie Deschamps. I am sorry I don't have an album cover to post as I bought it as a lossless download and the jpg image is so small as to be useless. I bought it from Qobuz (nearly certain!) and they are generally good in this repertoire. I have the sleeve notes and can post more details if anyone is interested though it won't be until tomorrow.
Quote from: Biffo on October 14, 2017, 07:52:10 AM
Codex Calixtinus has also been recorded by Ensemble Venance Fortunat directed by Anne-Marie Deschamps. I am sorry I don't have an album cover to post as I bought it as a lossless download and the mpg image is so small as to be useless. I bought it from Qorbuz (nearly certain!) and they are generally good in this repertoire. I have the sleeve notes and can post more details if anyone is interested though it won't be until tomorrow.
It would seem they released two CDs of music from the Codex Calixtinus. I have this one:
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There's also this, which I don't have:
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Yes I've discovered Ensemble Venance Fortunat, both the Camino CDs, through Qobuz. I like what they do very much indeed, I meant to make a note on this thread in fact, but clearly forgot. There are some really memorable things there.
They've recorded a lot, and I've dipped into what they've done elsewhere too. What I've heard sounds very different from their style for Codex Calixtinus.
Thanks to Mr Minnow and Mandryka for their information. I already had the Codex Calixtinus album with the green cover and this morning I have downloaded the other album. It was reissued in 2015 and now has a different cover; unfortunately it has no texts so I will have to do some research.
'Ondas' is another album from the same period that I have enjoyed.
http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/ondas-martin-codax-cantigas-de-amigo-vivabiancaluna-biffi-pierre-hamon/3760195733905?qref=dac_7
It contains secular songs in Galician-Portuguese from the mid 13th century attributed to Martin Codax. The songs are interspersed with reflections and preludes improvised or composed by the artists.
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Can anyone find any more detailed information about this very interesting recording I just found on Spotify?
Answer - half of it is Binkley's Camino CD, I'm not sure what the first half is.
Quote from: Mandryka on January 25, 2018, 12:42:35 PM
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Can anyone find any more detailed information about this very interesting recording I just found on Spotify?
Answer - half of it is Binkley's Camino CD, I'm not sure what the first half is.
https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/products/8123943--les-chemins-de-compostelle
I own it and was fortunate to find it relatively easily.. The first 12 tracks are Llivre Vermell and a few other old Spanish things played by Atrium Musicae led by Gregorio Paniagua. The remaining tracks (the last 12) are the Camino by Binkley (Navarre, Castille, Leon and Galice).
Quote from: (: premont :) on January 25, 2018, 11:44:29 PM
https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/products/8123943--les-chemins-de-compostelle
I own it and was fortunate to find it relatively easily.. The first 12 tracks are Llivre Vermell and a few other old Spanish things played by Atrium Musicae led by Gregorio Paniagua. The remaining tracks (the last 12) are the Camino by Binkley (Navarre, Castille, Leon and Galice).
Yes I thought as much, the thing that was throwing me was that I couldn't find the original album where Atrium Musicae performed parts of the Llibre Vermell. I like what they do very much.
Quote from: Mandryka on January 26, 2018, 07:53:42 AM
Yes I thought as much, the thing that was throwing me was that I couldn't find the original album where Atrium Musicae performed parts of the Llibre Vermell. I like what they do very much.
This one:
http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/hpv2.htm
On the Erato twofer, you are referring to above, "Polorum regina" and "Ad mortem festinamus" from Llibre Vermell are missing, and of the other pieces from the recording on the medieval.org.-link only no's 3,9 and 10 are included.
Quote from: (: premont :) on January 26, 2018, 11:10:39 AM
This one:
http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/cds/hpv2.htm
On the Erato twofer, you are referring to above, "Polorum regina" and "Ad mortem festinamus" from Llibre Vermell are missing, and of the other pieces from the recording on the medieval.org.-link only no's 3,9 and 10 are included.
Well the original CD seems unfindable. The whole thing is made more complicated because there are two Paniaguas associated with Atrium Musicae -- Gregorio and Eduardo.
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When I first heard this I could hardly believe my ears, I have never heard, as far as I remember, chant sung so meaningfully -- the diction is at a level of naturalness which is stunning. On examining the booklet, there's a note by Dominique Vellard which explains why
QuoteIn an article on the study of the Las Huelgas manuscript,
Professor Wulf Arlt has highlighted the pragmatic
character of the musical notation. This in fact uses
several systems to testify as precisely as possible to the
different styles and stylistic developments present in
the manuscript.
After reading this article, I immersed myself in the
study of the twenty monodies present in the manuscript
and discovered that the scribe or scribes indeed used
elements of mensural notation to indicate rhythmic,
non-metrical inflections, here assuming the function
that the neumes of St. Gall and Laon in the tenth
century have for the melodies of Gregorian chant.
This clarification of plainchant notation is astonishingly
enlightening; the melodic line acquires its full meaning,
and this precision is a real boon for the performer, often
obliged to make difficult choices in the plainchant
repertoires of the period; indeed, many monodic
compositions written in the 12th and 13th centuries
contain very few rhythmic indications (see the following
example ). Above the melismas, I have translated into St. Gall
neumes the information that can be drawn from the
notation of the manuscript.
Contrary to mensural notation, relations in terms of
length are not mathematical but give indications for the
conduction of the melody; in particular, semi-breves
indicate accelerations that structure the melismas.
As with all music in the Middle Ages, the meaning of
the composition can only be understood when sung
properly. It is through the voice that the means used by
the scribe to notate the music reveal themselves.
Vellard believes that this study is instructive for all chant from the period, including Notre Dame, so I wait with bated breath his future recordings.
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When I first heard this I could hardly believe my ears, I have never heard, as far as I remember, chant sung so meaningfully -- the diction is at a level of naturalness which is stunning. On examining the booklet, there's a note by Dominique Vellard which explains why
Vellard believes that this study is instructive for all chant from the period, including Notre Dame, so I wait with bated breath his future recordings.
Thank you for posting this,the Ensemble GIlles Binchois is a very fine one.
Quote from: Traverso on January 10, 2019, 05:55:27 AM
Thank you for posting this,the Ensemble GIlles Binchois is a very fine one.
In chanted music at least, what I appreciate most is when Dominque Vellard is singing. He really is very talented at diction, and can make for me the most austere music interesting and moving. When I find my ears pricking up in one of the tracks on one of their recordings, it's often Dominique Vellard involved in the ensemble. The women singers in the ensemble haven't so far managed to fire my imagination.
For example there's a monophonic song here on the CD in the image I've attached called
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Codex Huelgas contains a lot of monophony and this recording focuses on that. Sometimes they use a single voice with an instrument, in fact the way they use instruments seems to me probably the most successful of all the Huelgas Codex recordings I've heard. But what interested me most is that sometimes they pair up voices for the monophonic songs. And the result is very much like Covey-Crump etc in their conductus series, these CDs
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Very good soloists in the Sequentia - Barbara Thornton on top form. Central to the recording is the long Virgo Sidus Aureum, rarely recorded and a challenge to perform IMO.
Rex Obiit is particularly striking for the declaratory dramatic approach which characterises much of Sequentia's later performances.
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This is a particularly lyrical, fluid, beautiful rendition of a selection of songs from Huelgas Codex. A cappella, small scale, and subtle -- rapt, serious and relaxing. Anonymous 4 have a distinctive vocality, it does not sound like Brahms or Bach, it does not sound like Disneyfied medieval. it does not sound like scouts round a camp fire or a happy clappy evangelical church on Sunday. The timbre of each one of their voices is similar, and the effect to me in the polyphonic pieces is a sort of coherence which is like hearing a fugue on organum plenum or on a harpsichord.
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Paul Helmer was a Canadian musicologist who published a performing edition of one of the Calixtinus masses. It's beautiful and this recording is a gem. A great variety of textures and contrapuntal effects and rhythms. I have no idea who is singing, but they do it with passion and colour, and the sound quality is ideal. Impossible to stop listening when you start. Well worth seeking out.
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I first got to know Paloma Guttiérrez del Aroyo from her beautiful Ventadorn recital. Cantaderas is her ensemble and this recording of Cantigas seems outstanding to me - restrained and poised, which is all to the good I think.