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Title: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: kyjo on October 09, 2017, 10:04:41 AM
This is sort of a counterpart to the "most beautiful symphony openings" thread. For the purpose of this thread, I'm defining "powerful" as loud, attention-grabbing, forceful, etc, but you may define it as you wish :) My choices:

Shostakovich 4
RVW 4
Korngold (startling to anyone expecting the composer's typical Romantic lushness)
Atterberg 5
Khachaturian 2
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: Christo on October 09, 2017, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: kyjo on October 09, 2017, 10:04:41 AMloud, attention-grabbing, forceful, etc

Honegger 3 'Liturgique'
Shosta 4
RVW 6
Holmboe 7
Arnold 7
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: Maestro267 on October 09, 2017, 10:29:43 AM
Vaughan Williams' Sea Symphony
Mahler 8
Shostakovich 4
Britten Sinfonia da Requiem
Brian 1
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: André on October 09, 2017, 10:32:51 AM
Well, going backwards to the 19th century:  Beethoven 3 and 5. Then Schumann 3 and Brahms 1, then Tchaikovsky 4. 
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 09, 2017, 10:38:53 AM
They come to my mind:

Tchaikovsky 4
Nielsen 4
Langgaard 4
Mahler 5
Prokofiev 2
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: kyjo on October 09, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: Christo on October 09, 2017, 10:16:45 AM
Honegger 3 'Liturgique'
RVW 6
Arnold 7

These could've been choices of mine as well.
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: aesthetic on October 09, 2017, 12:06:53 PM
Prokofiev 3
Mahler 3
Mahler 6
Rautavaara 5
Rachmaninov 1
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: Brian on October 09, 2017, 12:40:27 PM
Nielsen 3
Nielsen 4
Beethoven 3
Brahms 1
Borodin 2
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: vandermolen on October 09, 2017, 02:17:12 PM
Khachaturian: Symphony 2
Vaughan Williams: Symphony 6
Nielsen: Symphony 4
Bax: Symphony 6
Honegger: Symphony 3 'Liturgique'

Although not a symphony a special mention for Chisholm's 'Pictures from Dante'.
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: TheGSMoeller on October 09, 2017, 02:45:10 PM
Following kojo's description of loud, attention-grabbing, forceful, etc, although there are some very powerful openings that begin soft.

All good choices so far, so I'll choose 5 that haven't shown up yet...

Haydn: Symphony No. 26, "Lamentatione"
Mozart: Symphony No. 25
Dvorak; Symphony No. 1 The Bells of Zlonice
Rouse: Symphony No. 3 (After Prokofiev)
Glass: Symphony No. 8
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: amw on October 09, 2017, 03:24:44 PM
powerful symphonic openings that aren't so much loud or bombastic as powerful in the way a fast car is powerful even at rest: potentia

Bruckner 6 & 8
Beethoven 3, 4, 5, 9
Haydn 104
Sibelius 3 & 4
Shostakovich 4
Maxwell Davies 1
Gerhard 3
add your faves
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: Maestro267 on October 10, 2017, 02:19:21 AM
Quote from: kyjo on October 09, 2017, 10:04:41 AM
This is sort of a counterpart to the "most beautiful symphony openings" thread.

Power can also be beauty. Which is why I struggled in the "most beautiful symphony openings" thread. What even is beauty?
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: kyjo on October 10, 2017, 09:04:27 AM
Great lists, everyone! Thanks for replying despite the vagueness of my thread title ;D
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: vandermolen on October 10, 2017, 11:27:45 PM
I agree with the choice of Prokofiev's Third Symphony as well.
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: Christo on October 11, 2017, 04:53:13 AM
Please please: do it just once, just one time will do. DISAGREE with something, whatever, but do it.  :D
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: André on October 11, 2017, 09:19:44 AM
Consensus is his middle name !  :D
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 11, 2017, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: Christo on October 11, 2017, 04:53:13 AM
Please please: do it just once, just one time will do. DISAGREE with something, whatever, but do it.  :D

He does. Mainly about Brahms and R. Strauss, I know myself  :laugh:
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: vandermolen on October 13, 2017, 06:34:30 AM
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Quote from: Christo on October 11, 2017, 04:53:13 AM
Please please: do it just once, just one time will do. DISAGREE with something, whatever, but do it.  :D

I don't think that this comment was addressed to me but, just in case:

Your comments on Rootham's First Symphony are rubbish hahaha  8)

Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2017, 11:03:59 PM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 13, 2017, 06:34:30 AMYour comments on Rootham's First Symphony are rubbish hahaha  8)
O, but we're in total agreement about that.  ;D
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: vandermolen on October 14, 2017, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: Christo on October 13, 2017, 11:03:59 PM
O, but we're in total agreement about that.  ;D
8) :)
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: SymphonicAddict on October 23, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
How I could forget the astounding beginning of Langgaard's Symphony 10. It's like the birth of something transcendent involving mystical forces. I can't get enough of this impressive piece!
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: springrite on October 23, 2017, 08:35:54 PM
Brian 10

Mahler 6

Mahler 3

Brahms 1

Prokofiev 3
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: vandermolen on November 03, 2017, 05:41:27 AM
Bax: Symphony 6
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: Cato on November 03, 2017, 06:41:45 AM
Dudes!  Put down those hookahs!  ??? 8)

I scroll through all the candidates and the  0:) BRUCKNER  0:) NINTH SYMPHONY  0:)  is nowhere to be found???!!!

C'mon!  Get with the program!  :D
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: André on November 03, 2017, 07:39:37 AM
I would categorize the Bruckner 9th's opening as fitting to belong to a list of « most sinister », « most portentous » or « most ominous » openings!
Title: Re: Top 5 most powerful symphony openings
Post by: Cato on November 03, 2017, 08:14:29 AM
Quote from: André on November 03, 2017, 07:39:37 AM
I would categorize the Bruckner 9th's opening as fitting to belong to a list of « most sinister », « most portentous » or « most ominous » openings!

AMEN!  0:)   

Another candidate not yet mentioned:

Scriabin: Mysterium

https://www.youtube.com/v/g2WYFb0_l6w