Have fun.... >:D
Let's give this a try...
These ten first spring to mind (alphabetically by composer):
- Pierre Boulez: Mémoriale ( ... explosante-fixe ... Originel)
- Ferruccio Busoni: Berceuse élégiaque
- Elliott Carter: Esprit rude / esprit doux
- Claude Debussy: L'isle joyeuse
- Cristóbal Halffter: Preludio para Madrid '92
- Charles Ives: The Unanswered Question
- Franz Liszt: R.W. Venezia
- Luigi Nono: Polifonica - Monodia - Ritmica
- Arnold Schoenberg: A Survivor from Warsaw
- Igor Stravinsky: Symphonies d'instruments à vent
All are stand-alone pieces, not movements of larger compositions or parts of collections.
Runner-up: Richard Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen. ;D
EDIT: After some thinking, managed to make it to one per composer. In the initial list, Debussy and Stravinsky had more than one work each (D'un cahier d'esquisses and Zvezdoliki, respectively—Scherzo à la russe was a contender as well).
Bach: Prelude & Fugue C major BWV 547
Beethoven: Coriolan Ouverture (Mendelssohn Hebrides is about one minute too long)
Chopin: Ballade #4 (most interpretations take a little longer, but sub 10 performances do exist), Barcarolle
Schumann Toccata
Schubert: Notturno for piano trio
Beethoven: Meeresstille und glückliche Fahrt
Schubert: Nachtgesang im Walde (Gesang der Geister über den Wassern seems about half a minute too long in most performances)
Schubert: Erlkönig
Brahms: Von ewiger Liebe (and of course there are dozens of other great songs by many composers, all more around 3-5 min.)
Let's see...(in no particular order)
Debussy: Trois Poèmes de Stéphane Mallarmé
Ravel: Tzigane (esp. the version for violin and luthéal)
Szymanowski: Litany to the Virgin Mary
Stravinsky: Symphonies d'instruments à vent
Ives: Violin Sonata No. 4, 'Children's Day'
Carter: Elegy (preferably the version for viola and piano)
Fauré: Élégie, Op. 24
Martinů: Rhythmic Etudes for Violin and Piano, H. 202
Ligeti: Lux Aeterna
Pärt: Cantus in Memoriam Benjamin Britten
Looks like I've stumped many members here with this particular thread. :) I'll freely admit I had to think for a minute (or two) about my own list. It didn't come too easily, but once I rattled off five choices, the other five became much easier.
Quote from: ritter on February 03, 2019, 01:13:12 AM
Let's give this a try...
These ten first spring to mind (alphabetically by composer):
- Pierre Boulez: Mémoriale ( ... explosante-fixe ... Originel)
- Ferruccio Busoni: Berceuse élégiaque
- Elliott Carter: Esprit rude / esprit doux
- Claude Debussy: L'isle joyeuse
- Cristóbal Halffter: Preludio para Madrid 2002
- Charles Ives: The Unanswered Question
- Franz Liszt: R.W. Venezia
- Luigi Nono: Polifonica - Monodia - Ritmica
- Arnold Schoenberg: A Survivor from Warsaw
- Igor Stravinsky: Symphonies d'instruments à vent
All are stand-alone pieces, not movements of larger compositions or parts of collections.
Runner-up: Richard Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen. ;D
EDIT: After some thinking, managed to make it to one per composer. In the initial list, Debussy and Stravinsky had more than one work each (D'un cahier d'esquisses and Zvezdoliki, respectively—Scherzo à la russe was a contender as well).
A fine list, Rafael. 8)
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2019, 08:05:59 AM
Looks like I've stumped many members here with this particular thread. :)
For me the problem is not the 10-minute limitation, it's that I can't choose only 10 works. Heck,
Schubert alone would easily make for at least 20 of them. Add
Chopin and my confusion grows exponentially. :D
Quote from: Florestan on February 03, 2019, 08:16:22 AM
For me the problem is not the 10-minute limitation, it's that I can't choose only 10 works. Heck, Schubert alone would easily make for at least 20 of them. Add Chopin and my confusion grows exponentially. :D
How about this, you can only have one work per composer. Now, let's see your list. :)
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2019, 09:02:45 AM
How about this, you can only have one work per composer. Now, let's see your list. :)
You really want to kill me, John, don't you? :laugh:
Okay, I'll think about it and come up with a list.
Quote from: Florestan on February 03, 2019, 09:17:27 AM
You really want to kill me, John, don't you? :laugh:
Okay, I'll think about it and come up with a list.
No, not kill, that would be all too easy, but inflicting full-body, piercing pain is much more to my liking. ;) ;D
A tentative, otomh list
Mozart - Adagio in B minor KV 540
Beethoven - Egmont Overture, Op. 84
Schubert - Die Sterne, D939
Weber - Aufforderung zum Tanz, Op. 65, J. 260
Chopin - Barcarolle in F-sharp minor op. 60
Schumann - Three Romances for Oboe and Piano op. 94, No. 2 Einfach, innig
Glinka - Jota aragonesa (Spanish Overture no 1)
Liadov - Baba Yaga
Chabrier - Habanera
Rachmaninoff - Prelude Op. 3 No. 2 (yes, that one)
Tomorrow this list would probably look very different. :)
Cool, Florestan. 8)
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2019, 09:40:53 AM
Cool, Florestan. 8)
As it was to be expected, it leans heavily towards the Romantics, unsurpassable masters of the miniature. 8)
Quote from: Florestan on February 03, 2019, 09:44:09 AM
As it was to be expected, it leans heavily towards the Romantics, unsurpassable masters of the miniature. 8)
If you say so.
All right, one work per composer it is:
Grażyna Bacewicz – Oberek
Ferruccio Busoni – Nocturne Symphonique
Anna Clyne – 1987
François Couperin – Les Barricades Mystérieuses
Claude Debussy – La Cathédrale engloutie
Galina Grigorjeva – Molitva (arrangement for saxophone and organ)
Alan Hovhaness – Alelluia and Fugue
Marin Marais – Le Badinage
Arvo Pärt – Fratres (Gil Shaham's interpretation – my favourite – fits under 10 minutes, whew!)
William Lawes – Lyra viol trio in D major
Maybe I should make a new rule, it can't be any movements and parts of larger works. Like, for example, Debussy's La Cathédrale engloutie is a part of Préludes, so it can't be chosen. It has to be a work that stands alone and is meant to stand alone.
Oh, good. Now we can have a vigorous debate argument about whether pieces published together as a set were expected to be played as a set by the composer.
The Well Tempered Clavier seems to be a set which everyone assumes was never meant to be played as a full set. Perhaps the same applies to Debussy as here, or Liszt (Annees de pelerinage, Transcendental Etudes,etc.)
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2019, 11:15:07 AM
Maybe I should make a new rule, it can't be any movements and parts of larger works. Like, for example, Debussy's La Cathédrale engloutie is a part of Préludes, so it can't be chosen. It has to be a work that stands alone and is meant to stand alone.
To which your avatar would reply:
There are no rules. Pleasure is the law. ;D
Debussy - Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune
Faure - Sicilienne, Op. 78
Ravel - Pavane pour une infante défunte
Jehan Alain - Litanies
Satie - Gnossiennes I
Poulenc - Élegie for horn and piano
Stravinsky - Tango
Liszt - Annees der Pelerange, 2nd Year, Italy - Sonnet 123 of Petrach
Finzi - Ecologue for Piano and Strings (usually around ten minutes, some performances are longer)
John Cage - 4'33"
Sibelius – Luonnotar
Chopin – Ballade No. 4
Debussy – Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune
Ravel – Cinq Mélodies populaires grecques
Stravinsky – Élégie for solo Viola (in memoriam Alphonse Onnou)
Bartók – Rhapsody no. 1 for piano & violin
Martinu - Czech Rhapsody for violin & piano, H. 307 (1945)
Janacek – Elegy on the death of my daughter Olga, cantata for tenor, four-part choir, & piano
Monteverdi – Lamento della Ninfa
Takemitsu – All in Twilight
Quote from: North Star on February 03, 2019, 11:41:02 AM
Sibelius – Luonnotar
Chopin – Ballade No. 4
Debussy – Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune
Ravel – Cinq Mélodies populaires grecques
Stravinsky – Élégie for solo Viola (in memoriam Alphonse Onnou)
Bartók – Rhapsody no. 1 for piano & violin
Martinu - Czech Rhapsody for violin & piano, H. 307 (1945)
Janacek – Elegy on the death of my daughter Olga, cantata for tenor, four-part choir, & piano
Monteverdi – Lamento della Ninfa
Takemitsu – All in Twilight
Nice list, Karlo. 8) I love all these pieces except for the Monteverdi, which I don't know.
Edit: I hate to do this, but the Takemitsu work is over 10 minutes. Pick another one.
o.k., revision with only one piece per composer and I'll skip romantic solo songs because there are too many and they are usually much shorter, I am trying to get mostly 5-10 min pieces:
Monteverdi: Zefiro torna
Purcell: In guilty night (Saul and the Witch of Endor)
Bach: Prelude & Fugue C major BWV 547
Händel: Zadok the priest
Beethoven: Coriolan Ouverture
Schubert: Nachtgesang im Walde
Chopin: Ballade #4
Schumann: Toccata
Brahms: op.117,1
Bernstein: Prelude, Fugue and Riffs
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2019, 11:44:41 AM
Nice list, Karlo. 8) I love all these pieces except for the Monteverdi, which I don't know.
Edit: I hate to do this, but the Takemitsu work is over 10 minutes. Pick another one.
Fine...
Poulenc:
Litanies à la Vierge noire
My list is more skewed towards fun stuff.
Nielsen - Maskarade overture
Chabrier - Espana
Liszt - Petrarch sonnet 123 (second nomination for this piece in the thread)
Chopin - Barcarolle (also second nomination)
Dvorak - Carnival overture
Kalliwoda - Overture No. 10
Schubert - Hungarian Melody
Schubert - Notturno D. 897 (another second mention)
and probably a couple Scarlatti sonatas to round it out
Quote from: North Star on February 03, 2019, 11:59:41 AM
Fine...
Poulenc: Litanies à la Vierge noire
Good boy. :) One of my favorites from Poulenc.
Vaughan Williams Fantasia on Greensleeves
Tchaikovsky Marche Slav
Suppé Light Cavalry Overture
Satie Gnossiennes No.4
Fauré Pavane, Op.50
Reznicek Donna Diana Overture
Chopin Polonaise F sharp minor op.44
Matteis Diverse bizzarie sopra la vecchia sarabanda ò pur ciaccona
Strauss J. II Frülingsstimmen (Voices of Spring)
Bantock The Sea Reivers: Hebridean Sea Poem No. 2
Bonus pick: Dvorak Othello Overture
Sarge
Haydn: Te Deum in C
Beethoven: Egmont Overture. Or maybe Coriolan ?
Chopin: Barcarolle
Mozart: Fantasia in d minor K 397
Soler: sonata no 90
Schubert: Erlkönig
Leifs: Requiem
Barber: Adagio for Strings
Canteloube: Bailero
Arnold: Tam O'Shanter
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2019, 11:15:07 AM
Maybe I should make a new rule, it can't be any movements and parts of larger works. Like, for example, Debussy's La Cathédrale engloutie is a part of Préludes, so it can't be chosen. It has to be a work that stands alone and is meant to stand alone.
My bad. I've intended to go for standalone pieces only and somehow always imagined
The Engulfed Cathedral as, uhm,
standing on its own.
Fixed:
Claude Debussy – La Cathédrale engloutieLili Boulanger –
Vieille prière bouddhique
Quote from: Rinaldo on February 03, 2019, 01:49:50 PM
My bad. I've intended to go for standalone pieces only and somehow always imagined The Engulfed Cathedral as, uhm, standing on its own.
Fixed:
Claude Debussy – La Cathédrale engloutie
Lili Boulanger – Vieille prière bouddhique
Yeah, I hated making this call (I sound like an NFL official) :), but, yes, while the piece is gorgeous, and agree that it does sound remarkably good out-of-context of the whole work, I have to say for the sake of this particular thread, I felt that individual movements shouldn't be a part of this thread.
One out of a thousand lists:
Britten - Young Apollo
Nielsen - An Imaginary Trip to the Faroe Islands
Kabalevsky - Pathetic Overture
Finzi - A Severn Rhapsody
Sibelius - Spring Song
Schmidt - Intermezzo from 'Notre Dame'
Shostakovich - Festive Overture
Langgaard - Fra Dybet
Honegger - Pacific 231
Saint-Saëns - Le rouet d'Omphale
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on February 03, 2019, 02:08:29 PM
One out of a thousand lists:
Britten - Young Apollo
Nielsen - An Imaginary Trip to the Faroe Islands
Kabalevsky - Pathetic Overture
Finzi - A Severn Rhapsody
Sibelius - Spring Song
Schmidt - Intermezzo from 'Notre Dame'
Shostakovich - Festive Overture
Langgaard - Fra Dybet
Honegger - Pacific 231
Saint-Saëns - Le rouet d'Omphale
No chamber works? :-\
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2019, 02:17:05 PM
No chamber works? :-\
Actually I was thinking of it, but it was easier to me to pick orchestral pieces. I focused on individual works (except the Schmidt), and most of works I thought of chamber works were movements from larger works, hence I opted for orchestral ones.
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on February 03, 2019, 02:08:29 PMLanggaard - Fra Dybet
Are tables still being pounded around here? Great pick. And I'm glad to see some Busoni love in this thread as well.
Josquin Ave Maria
Scarlatti F minor sonata K481
Schubert Notturno D897
Palestrina Stabat Mater
Fauré Barcarolle No. 3, Op. 42
Cage A Valentine Out Of Season
Kurtág ...quasi una fantasia... Op. 27
Chopin Nocturne Op. 32 no. 2
Xenakis Evryali
Liszt Fünf klavierstücke S192
Janáček A Recollection (Vzpomínka)
I could probably keep going lol
The first work that came to mind...and it comes in at around Seven Minutes (I usually ignore the rules in such lists ;) ).
https://www.youtube.com/v/3imEtW-4v80
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 03, 2019, 02:17:05 PM
No chamber works? :-\
Frederick Delius: La Calinda, from Koanga (1897)
Claude Debussy: Danse (Tarantelle styrienne) (1903)
Béla Bartók: Romanian Dances (1916)
Ottorino Respighi: Belfagor Overture (1924)
Gustav Holst: Capriccio (Jazz-Band Piece; Mr. Shilkret's Maggot) (1932)
George Gershwin: Walking the Dog (1937)
Zoltán Kodály: Minuetto serio (1953)
Malcolm Arnold: Serenade for guitar and strings (1955)
Ralph Vaughan Williams: Prelude on Three Welsh Hymn Tunes (1955)
Veljo Tormis: Overture No. 2 (1956)
:D
Quote from: Christo on February 03, 2019, 03:18:37 PM
Frederick Delius: La Calinda, from Koanga (1897)
Claude Debussy: Danse (Tarantelle styrienne) (1903)
Béla Bartók: Romanian Dances (1916)
Ottorino Respighi: Belfagor Overture (1924)
Gustav Holst: Capriccio (Jazz-Band Piece; Mr. Shilkret's Maggot) (1932)
George Gershwin: Walking the Dog (1937)
Zoltán Kodály: Minuetto serio (1953)
Malcolm Arnold: Serenade for guitar and strings (1955)
Ralph Vaughan Williams: Prelude on Three Welsh Hymn Tunes (1955)
Veljo Tormis: Overture No. 2 (1956)
:D
8) Very cool.
Quote from: Cato on February 03, 2019, 02:43:31 PM
The first work that came to mind...and it comes in at around Seven Minutes (I usually ignore the rules in such lists ;) ).
https://www.youtube.com/v/3imEtW-4v80
Hah! :D I love that work.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 03, 2019, 12:58:48 PM
Reznicek Donna Diana Overture
Sarge
Oh goodness what an inspired choice! It reminds me I should bump something off my list to make way for the Bartered Bride overture.
1/ Debussy: Danse sacrée et danse profane (harp & strings -usually 9 -11 minutes...)
2/ Schubert : Notturno (trio)
3/ Brahms : Ich schwing mein Horn ins Jammertal - chorus
4/ Honegger: Pastorale d'été (small orchestra)
5/ There is no rose of such virtue (15th century England) version by Chanticleer
6/ Hahn: A Chloris (as sung by Susan Graham)
7/ von Koch: Nordiskt capriccio (orchestra)
8/ Kodaly: Adventi ének (chorus)
9/ Paul Dukas: Fanfare pour précéder La Péri
10/Haydn:Sonata- un piccolo divertimento Hoboken XVII: 6
Etc.
Quote from: Brian on February 03, 2019, 12:10:46 PM
Nielsen - Maskarade overture
I think you'll find that's attached to a work that is rather longer than 10 minutes.
Still thinking about my list. I expect it will mostly be piano pieces.
Quote from: Madiel on February 06, 2019, 02:32:46 AM
I think you'll find that's attached to a work that is rather longer than 10 minutes.
"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - MLK
Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun
Weber's Invitation to the Dance
Webern's Passacaglia Op 1
Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on February 06, 2019, 06:22:35 PM
Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun
Weber's Invitation to the Dance
Webern's Passacaglia Op 1
I probably could've chosen a Webern work as so many of his pieces are under 10 minutes. :)
Quote from: Brian on February 06, 2019, 06:05:15 PM
"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - MLK
In that context a law is not unjust merely because it cramps your style.
Only one work per composer is what might kill me here...
Bach: Two-part Invention No.14 in B flat, just because I've always found it fascinating.
Barber: Three Songs, op.45
Bridge: Sir Roger de Coverley (A Christmas Dance)
Chopin: Ballade No.1
Faure: Nocturne No.6 (or any one of several other piano pieces really)
Ravel: Jeux d'eau
Shostakovich: Five Romances on Words from Krokodil Magazine, op.121
Sibelius: The orchestral song 'Serenad'
And that was as far as I could get while being honest about things I know I genuinely really like.
...also, I'd like to see evidence of all these recordings of Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune that are under 10 minutes.
Neither rare nor exotic, but two of the first three I grabbed from the shelf (the third, Salonen, gives 10:09 on the backcover)
Ansermet/Decca 1957 9:03,
Boulez/Sony 1966 9:41
Quote from: Madiel on February 07, 2019, 04:01:04 AM
Only one work per composer is what might kill me here...
...also, I'd like to see evidence of all these recordings of Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune that are under 10 minutes.
Not that it's on my list (the
Faun is far from my favourite
Debussy orchestral piece), but...
voilà:
https://youtu.be/hmXOd5CuDFg
EDIT: I see
Jo498 best me to it :)
It wouldn't make my list either. But there are certainly quite a few pieces around 10 min. I had Mendelssohn's Hebrides on my list and was pretty sure that it would be below 10 min. Then I checked a couple of recordings and none was even close to 10 (more 11 or longer) so I scratched it. In the case of Chopin's 4th Ballade I "cheated" insofar that I took one recording below 10 as sufficient although I am pretty sure than most are longer, up to about 12 min.
Okay. My Debussy was over 11, so I was curious.
Quote from: Jo498 on February 07, 2019, 04:46:40 AM
It wouldn't make my list either. But there are certainly quite a few pieces around 10 min. I had Mendelssohn's Hebrides on my list and was pretty sure that it would be below 10 min. Then I checked a couple of recordings and none was even close to 10 (more 11 or longer) so I scratched it. In the case of Chopin's 4th Ballade I "cheated" insofar that I took one recording below 10 as sufficient although I am pretty sure than most are longer, up to about 12 min.
Something similar happened to me with the
Cristóbal Halffter piece I included. What I really like is the original (choral)
Preludio para Madrid '92, but the composer's recording (and another one on YouTube) are slightly above the 10' mark. So I settled for the purely orchestral later version,
Preludio para Madrid 2002 (just short of 10'). Then I realised that an alternative recording of the choral version conducted by the composer's son
Pedro Halffter complies with the time limit:
https://youtu.be/uucr368goI0
A find this piece, based on
Antonio Soler's
Fandango and very typical of its composer's
Spätstil, quite attractive. :)
Quote from: Jo498 on February 07, 2019, 04:46:40 AM
It wouldn't make my list either. But there are certainly quite a few pieces around 10 min. I had Mendelssohn's Hebrides on my list and was pretty sure that it would be below 10 min. Then I checked a couple of recordings and none was even close to 10 (more 11 or longer) so I scratched it. In the case of Chopin's 4th Ballade I "cheated" insofar that I took one recording below 10 as sufficient although I am pretty sure than most are longer, up to about 12 min.
Duration is as much an impression as a data. I had intended to include Schubert's
Hirt auf dem Felsen but, upon checking various versions I have, I found out they clock in around 12 minutes. And yet, it seems to fly by so fast !
Let's see...
Atterberg: A Varmland Rhapsody
Barber: School for Scandal Overture (or First Essay)
Chaminade: Thème varié for piano
Dvořák: Carnival Overture
Finzi: Romance for string orchestra
Honegger: Pastorale d'été
Lilburn: Aotearoa Overture
Puccini: Crisantemi
Ravel: Pavane pour une infante défunte
Webern: Langsamer Satz
Quote from: André on February 07, 2019, 08:49:30 AM
Duration is as much an impression as a data. I had intended to include Schubert's Hirt auf dem Felsen but, upon checking various versions I have, I found out they clock in around 12 minutes. And yet, it seems to fly by so fast !
True dat, André. I went to a performance of Mahler's 6th many years ago. The four of us who had gone to it together looked at each other incredulously once it was over--our group impression was that only about 15 or 20 minutes had passed. No way we had been there for an hour and a half.
But here's a way to ensure that performance times don't mess up the results--confine yourself to fixed media electroacoustic, only.
Varèse-Poeme electronique
Nordheim-Dinosaurus
Fulton-Bowling for Blood
Schottstaedt-Dinosaur Music
Otondo-irama
Hodgkinson-Black Death and Errors in Construction
Xenakis-Mycenae Alpha
Clyne-Choke
Mandolini-Canción De Madera Y Agua
Bolte-And Death
Not as easy as I thought it would be. Many of my most treasured pieces go from 10:05 and up. But these ten are fine, so....
Quote from: some guy on February 09, 2019, 05:25:27 AM
True dat, André. I went to a performance of Mahler's 6th many years ago. The four of us who had gone to it together looked at each other incredulously once it was over--our group impression was that only about 15 or 20 minutes had passed. No way we had been there for an hour and a half.
"Parsifal is the kind of opera that starts at six o'clock. After it has been going three hours, you look at your watch and it says 6:20" --- David Randolph
;D ;D ;D