... whether just about tastes or just 'connection', you feel are more decent and sincere on this forum?
Aligreto
Andrei
André
Cato
Christo
Cilgwyn
John (Mirror Image)
Karl Henning
Kyle
Vandermolen
This doesn't pretend to be anything offensive or polemic or impolite. Just for fun.
I don't think we should personalize things so much.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 01, 2020, 02:48:29 PM
... whether just about tastes or just 'connection', you feel are more decent and sincere on this forum?
Aligreto
Andrei
André
Cato
Christo
Cilgwyn
John (Mirror Image)
Karl Henning
Kyle
Vandermolen
This doesn't pretend to be anything offensive or polemic or impolite. Just for fun.
You chose to insult me by omitting me from your list.
Now I'm going to go out of my way not to listen to these >:(.
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on October 07, 2019, 05:41:25 PM
My absolute top 3:
Nielsen
Brahms
Shostakovich
The remaining 7:
Beethoven
Martinu
Strauss
Arnold
Lutoslawski
Janacek
Mozart
;)
yeah, this looks like a fun, empathetic idea
Quote from: Herman on February 02, 2020, 07:51:23 AM
yeah, this looks like a fun, empathetic idea
:D I suspect it is horribly misbegotten, but we'll see. I don't want to seem lacking in sympathy or empathy and thus miss out on a nomination... ;)
8)
It's rabbit season. Shoot me now! :)
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 01, 2020, 02:48:29 PM
... whether just about tastes or just 'connection', you feel are more decent and sincere on this forum?
Aligreto
Andrei
André
Cato
Christo
Cilgwyn
John (Mirror Image)
Karl Henning
Kyle
Vandermolen
This doesn't pretend to be anything offensive or polemic or impolite. Just for fun.
Thank you very much, Cesar. I feel the same way about you. I'm honored to share your list with those other members. I really enjoy talking to most members here or, at least, those that can tolerate my misguided or ill-founded opinions. ;D
Quote from: mc ukrneal on February 02, 2020, 08:13:50 AM
It's rabbit season. Shoot me now! :)
(https://preview.redd.it/plok1in90fm11.jpg?auto=webp&s=c5955bf98e29729afff3d61449d51df8379cbd23)
I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but almost without fail, just after I have posted all my Christmas cards the first one I receive is from someone I have forgotten to send one to! There are a great number of members here whom I like to think I have made a genuine contact with and I have also been the recipient of great kindness, friendship and generosity (you know who you are). I would include everyone on Cesar's list and many more beside. I worry that if I did my own list I would forget someone and that wouldn't be right at all. I will say that I have even had the pleasure (and it was a pleasure) of meeting some members 'for real' especially when my daughter was 'studying' for a year in Leiden, Netherlands but also at the famous performance of Havergal Brian's 'Gothic Symphony' in London. I have also received kind communications from people who don't share my musical tastes at all, although it puzzles me how anyone cannot appreciate the music, for example, of Miaskovsky, Klaus Egge and Ippolitov-Ivanov 8).
So thanks to all of those who have communicated and made contact with me whether in cyber-space or in real life. It has become a very important part of my life, notwithstanding being constantly bombarded with accusations of 'wasting time on the computer' etcetc.
Quote from: vandermolen on February 02, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
I don't know if anyone else has had this experience but almost without fail, just after I have posted all my Christmas cards the first one I receive is from someone I have forgotten to send one to! There are a great number of members here whom I like to think I have made a genuine contact with and I have also been the recipient of great kindness, friendship and generosity (you know who you are). I would include everyone on Cesar's list and many more beside. I worry that if I did my own list I would forget someone and that wouldn't be right at all. I will say that I have even had the pleasure (and it was a pleasure) of meeting some members 'for real' especially when my daughter was 'studying' for a year in Leiden, Netherlands but also at the famous performance of Havergal Brian's 'Gothic Symphony' in London. I have also received kind communications from people who don't share my musical tastes at all, although it puzzles me how anyone cannot appreciate the music, for example, of Miaskovsky, Klaus Egge and Ippolitov-Ivanov 8).
So thanks to all of those who have communicated and made contact with me whether in cyber-space or in real life. It has become a very important part of my life, notwithstanding being constantly bombarded with accusations of 'wasting time on the computer' etcetc.
Well, I for one, am grateful for your friendship, Jeffrey. You and I do have pretty different tastes, but we do like many of the same composers as well. If I'm ever in London, you'll definitely be someone I will get in contact with. Like you, I'm thankful for many of the members here and all of you know who you are as well. Karl Henning was someone on GMG, however, that I felt I must establish a connection with in order to get along with everyone else here. Does this make sense? It also helps when we like a lot of the same music. Another member here who I feel established another connection with, especially over the past two years or so was Rafael (ritter). Our tastes don't exactly line up per se, but our love for Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky, and his insightful commentary about Enescu have opened doors I didn't know even know existed. Another member who I would've liked to establish a connection with was Luke, but it seems he won't be back and if he does come back, it will be only temporary. And, finally, I still lament the departure of Dancing Divertimentian. I feel he was another 'Debussy brother' that helped in cementing my love for this composer. Anyway, I'm done rambling now. :D
I love ye all. :-*
Quote from: Mirror Image on February 02, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Well, I for one, am grateful for your friendship, Jeffrey. You and I do have pretty different tastes, but we do like many of the same composers as well. If I'm ever in London, you'll definitely be someone I will get in contact with. Like you, I'm thankful for many of the members here and all of you know who you are as well. Karl Henning was someone on GMG, however, that I felt I must establish a connection with in order to get along with everyone else here. Does this make sense? It also helps when we like a lot of the same music. Another member here who I feel established another connection with, especially over the past two years or so was Rafael (ritter). Our tastes don't exactly line up per se, but our love for Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky, and his insightful commentary about Enescu have opened doors I didn't know even know existed. Another member who I would've liked to establish a connection with was Luke, but it seems he won't be back and if he does come back, it will be only temporary. And, finally, I still lament the departure of Dancing Divertimentian. I feel he was another 'Debussy brother' that helped in cementing my love for this composer. Anyway, I'm done rambling now. :D
See you in London John! :)
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on February 01, 2020, 02:48:29 PM
... whether just about tastes or just 'connection', you feel are more decent and sincere on this forum?
Aligreto
Andrei
André
Cato
Christo
Cilgwyn
John (Mirror Image)
Karl Henning
Kyle
Vandermolen
This doesn't pretend to be anything offensive or polemic or impolite. Just for fun.
Well, I'm not on the list and not for one moment would I think I would be. But not first time, and not just here by any means, it feels like returning to the school playground and for me that is a
very long time ago. :)
Quote from: Irons on February 03, 2020, 07:27:03 AM
Well, I'm not on the list and not for one moment would I think I would be. But not first time, and not just here by any means, it feels like returning to the school playground and for me that is a very long time ago. :)
Well, you're certainly on my list Lol! Your perceptive 'school playground' comment is exactly the reason why I was reluctant to provide my own list.
Quote from: vandermolen on February 03, 2020, 01:59:03 PM
Well, you're certainly on my list Lol! Your perceptive 'school playground' comment is exactly the reason why I was reluctant to provide my own list.
To be honest, this thread brings up my main dissatisfaction with this site, that it is dominated by cliques of members who effusively praise every little thing posted by their circle of pals, but who don't bother with comments made outside their cozy little circle. On the listening thread I put a brief review of a recording of John Ireland's Legend for piano and orchestra. I noticed that the Ireland thread begins with you citing Legends as one of your favorite works by Ireland, with discussions of which recordings are best. If one of you pals had mentioned the piece I'm sure you'd have your thesaurus out searching for laudatory adjectives to shower on the post. But my comment is not worth noticing, of course.
This is why I have chosen another classical discussion board as my primary destination for discussion of music.
Quote from: Ratliff on February 03, 2020, 06:32:14 PM
To be honest, this thread brings up my main dissatisfaction with this site, that it is dominated by cliques of members who effusively praise every little thing posted by their circle of pals, but who don't bother with comments made outside their cozy little circle. On the listening thread I put a brief review of a recording of John Ireland's Legend for piano and orchestra. I noticed that the Ireland thread begins with you citing Legends as one of your favorite works by Ireland, with discussions of which recordings are best. If one of you pals had mentioned the piece I'm sure you'd have your thesaurus out searching for laudatory adjectives to shower on the post. But my comment is not worth noticing, of course.
This is why I have chosen another classical discussion board as my primary destination for discussion of music.
I like to think of GMG as a small knit community of listeners. I have never subscribed to an 'inner circle' of anything. I post and comment as I please as I would hope every member here does. I think, while SymphonicAddict, Christo, Vandermolen, Kyjo, etc. does form a group of listeners with specified tastes, I don't think it's fair to single any of them out just because they didn't comment on your post. If I liked Ireland's music, I probably would have mentioned something given your thoughtful post, but you must realize just as every other member should realize, not everything goes noticed by every member nor does each member feel compelled to comment each time the another member posts something. To be even more honest, there is no other forum on the internet that has this kind of community of knowledgeable members. Some of these classical forums are littered with so many members that it's difficult to keep track of who is who, whereas, on the other hand, another forum will barely have 10 active members and only has 4-5 posts in a day. GMG is a happy medium between those two extremes.
Quote from: Ratliff on February 03, 2020, 06:32:14 PM
To be honest, this thread brings up my main dissatisfaction with this site, that it is dominated by cliques of members who effusively praise every little thing posted by their circle of pals, but who don't bother with comments made outside their cozy little circle. On the listening thread I put a brief review of a recording of John Ireland's Legend for piano and orchestra. I noticed that the Ireland thread begins with you citing Legends as one of your favorite works by Ireland, with discussions of which recordings are best. If one of you pals had mentioned the piece I'm sure you'd have your thesaurus out searching for laudatory adjectives to shower on the post. But my comment is not worth noticing, of course.
This is why I have chosen another classical discussion board as my primary destination for discussion of music.
Firstly I'm sorry that you feel like this and secondly I'm sorry that I did not comment on your reference to John Ireland's excellent 'Legend for Piano and Orchestra' which I prefer to his PC. My favourite recordings, incidentally, are on Chandos and Hyperion.
I would, however, like to gently challenge your 'clique of members' comment. I think that it is much more a case of people who share my musical tastes. I would never deliberately not respond to a message just because didn't come from one of my 'inner circle'. I've communicated with many here (including on the Haydn thread!) often I don't think that I've got much to offer because I'm either unfamiliar with the music or it doesn't mean much to me. Furthermore, although I really enjoy communicating with the group I also have other demands on my time which might mean that I miss a post that I might otherwise respond to. There is nothing deliberate about this. If you track back through the WAYLT thread I suspect that you will find that if someone is listening to a piece of music that I like I will comment on it regardless of who the message is from. My taste in classical music is not necessarily shared by others ('deservedly neglected composers' as my brother amusingly put it) and I naturally have more in common (musically) with those who share my musical tastes than those who do not. I'm sorry if you decide to leave the group but that will be your decision.
The downside of posting is one expects people to share your enthusiasm in that moment, and that doesn't always happen. That's just life online.
Quote from: Herman on February 04, 2020, 03:00:52 AM
The downside of posting is one expects people to share your enthusiasm in that moment, and that doesn't always happen. That's just life online.
That's true (he said, without enthusiasm.)
Quote from: vandermolen on February 03, 2020, 11:31:49 PM
Firstly I'm sorry that you feel like this and secondly I'm sorry that I did not comment on your reference to John Ireland's excellent 'Legend for Piano and Orchestra' which I prefer to his PC. My favourite recordings, incidentally, are on Chandos and Hyperion.
I would, however, like to gently challenge your 'clique of members' comment. I think that it is much more a case of people who share my musical tastes. I would never deliberately not respond to a message just because didn't come from one of my 'inner circle'. I've communicated with many here (including on the Haydn thread!) often I don't think that I've got much to offer because I'm either unfamiliar with the music or it doesn't mean much to me. Furthermore, although I really enjoy communicating with the group I also have other demands on my time which might mean that I miss a post that I might otherwise respond to. There is nothing deliberate about this. If you track back through the WAYLT thread I suspect that you will find that if someone is listening to a piece of music that I like I will comment on it regardless of who the message is from. My taste in classical music is not necessarily shared by others ('deservedly neglected composers' as my brother amusingly put it) and I naturally have more in common (musically) with those who share my musical tastes than those who do not. I'm sorry if you decide to leave the group but that will be your decision.
Sorry, I didn't really intend to single you out as the reason for my discontent, just that the Ireland post was the most recent example of my experience here. Of course you have no responsibility to respond to anything I post here, whether you like Ireland or not. And of course I would like to get some response if I take the trouble to post something. It happens that this thread has crystallized for me the reason I feel there is no reason for me continue to participate here.
Quote from: Ratliff on February 04, 2020, 06:29:51 AM
Sorry, I didn't really intend to single you out as the reason for my discontent, just that the Ireland post was the most recent example of my experience here. Of course you have no responsibility to respond to anything I post here, whether you like Ireland or not. And of course I would like to get some response if I take the trouble to post something. It happens that this thread has crystallized for me the reason I feel there is no reason for me continue to participate here.
Regarding the Ireland post I didn't see it until earlier today, after I'd responded to your post here. There is a lot of traffic on the WAYLT thread and it's easy (for me at least) to miss something. I'd assumed that it was a post from some time back. For what it's worth I have responded to it now as I suspect I would have done had I seen it earlier as it references a very special disc. I often get zero response to my posts or threads but I tend to focus on the responses that I do get from people who take the trouble to respond. I'd be sorry if you leave but wish you all the best.
Quote from: Ratliff on February 04, 2020, 06:29:51 AM
Sorry, I didn't really intend to single you out as the reason for my discontent, just that the Ireland post was the most recent example of my experience here. Of course you have no responsibility to respond to anything I post here, whether you like Ireland or not. And of course I would like to get some response if I take the trouble to post something. It happens that this thread has crystallized for me the reason I feel there is no reason for me continue to participate here.
I'd hate to see you leave (again), but what I don't understand is why you feel it necessary for someone to comment on something you post? You're acting as if someone owes you something for making a good post. If someone feels compelled to reply to one of your posts, then it'll happen. As I mentioned, there's a lot of posts that go unnoticed and, sometimes, to one's surprise a post you made two months ago gets commented on. There is A LOT of content on GMG to plow through and I wouldn't expect anyone to comment on every little thing I post. So don't be disappointed that you spent time on something only for it to go unnoticed --- this is just the way it is and really the way it is on any forum that has a high number of membership.
Quote from: Herman on February 04, 2020, 03:00:52 AM
The downside of posting is one expects people to share your enthusiasm in that moment, and that doesn't always happen. That's just life online.
+1
Quote from: Ratliff on February 04, 2020, 06:29:51 AMI feel there is no reason for me continue to participate here.
I very much hope you will continue to post here, I find your posts always worthwhile, though am not here too often/don't necessarily have anything to say. If it's any consolation it's very rare that anyone comments on my music posts either, and I would think I am not alone by a long shot. Cliques are very natural emanations of the human condition and will happen wherever they assemble I think (though I am not part of one here, nor wish to be), and it's always easier to communicate with a person you are familiar with than a relative stranger, so it's probably just business as usual on these music threads. I must admit I still get a great deal from them for which I'm grateful.
Quote from: Iota on February 04, 2020, 12:02:57 PM
I very much hope you will continue to post here, I find your posts always worthwhile, though am not here too often/don't necessarily have anything to say. If it's any consolation it's very rare that anyone comments on my music posts either, and I would think I am not alone by a long shot. Cliques are very natural emanations of the human condition and will happen wherever they assemble I think (though I am not part of one here, nor wish to be), and it's always easier to communicate with a person you are familiar with than a relative stranger, so it's probably just business as usual on these music threads. I must admit I still get a great deal from them for which I'm grateful.
Thanks for the appreciation, and you are of course right. Part of the issue is I don't have a tenth the time to listen to music and post here as much as some others seem to.
Quote from: Herman on February 04, 2020, 03:00:52 AM
The downside of posting is one expects people to share your enthusiasm in that moment, and that doesn't always happen. That's just life online.
Quite so.
Quote from: vandermolen on February 04, 2020, 07:01:06 AM
Regarding the Ireland post I didn't see it until earlier today, after I'd responded to your post here. There is a lot of traffic on the WAYLT thread and it's easy (for me at least) to miss something. I'd assumed that it was a post from some time back. For what it's worth I have responded to it now as I suspect I would have done had I seen it earlier as it references a very special disc. I often get zero response to my posts or threads but I tend to focus on the responses that I do get from people who take the trouble to respond. I'd be sorry if you leave but wish you all the best.
Once again, sorry that I seemed to single you out for what was a general discontent at not getting much feedback on the site. Thank your for your thoughtful response to my thoughts on Ireland's
Legend. I find your comments on 20th century English music to be without exception interesting.
I expect I will continue to participate here at my customary low level and accustom myself to inconspicuous anonymity.
Quote from: Ratliff on February 04, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
Thanks for the appreciation, and you are of course right. Part of the issue is I don't have a tenth the time to listen to music and post here as much as some others seem to.
Quite so.
Once again, sorry that I seemed to single you out for what was a general discontent at not getting much feedback on the site. Thank your for your thoughtful response to my thoughts on Ireland's Legend. I find your comments on 20th century English music to be without exception interesting.
I expect I will continue to participate here at my customary low level and accustom myself to inconspicuous anonymity.
I rely on your continued participation, sir. (I believe I've got some
Ireland, but I don't recall just what.)
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on February 04, 2020, 04:02:50 PM
I rely on your continued participation, sir. (I believe I've got some Ireland, but I don't recall just what.)
If, like me, your interest in John Ireland was sparked by Luke's eloquent advocacy, you might have this excellent set of chamber music recordings released by Chandos:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51By14q-xtL.jpg)
Quote from: Ratliff on February 04, 2020, 10:13:11 PM
If, like me, your interest in John Ireland was sparked by Luke's eloquent advocacy, you might have this excellent set of chamber music recordings released by Chandos:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51By14q-xtL.jpg)
Wishlisted. I didn't realize he had some piano trios. I enjoy piano trios in general.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on February 04, 2020, 10:26:55 PM
Wishlisted. I didn't realize he had some piano trios. I enjoy piano trios in general.
I haven't listened in ages, I vaguely remember being mesmerized by the cello sonata.
Quote from: Ratliff on February 04, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
Thanks for the appreciation, and you are of course right. Part of the issue is I don't have a tenth the time to listen to music and post here as much as some others seem to.
Quite so.
Once again, sorry that I seemed to single you out for what was a general discontent at not getting much feedback on the site. Thank your for your thoughtful response to my thoughts on Ireland's Legend. I find your comments on 20th century English music to be without exception interesting.
I expect I will continue to participate here at my customary low level and accustom myself to inconspicuous anonymity.
Thank you for the kind comment about my English music posts although I often genuinely feel that others post much more insightfully that I do. I'm very pleased you have decided to continue to post here. I think that I need to get that Ireland chamber music CD. Others have enthused about it including Lol (Irons) I think. No need to apologise and I'm sorry to all concerned if I've given the impression of being part of an exclusionist clique. That's the last thing I'd want. Part of the problem is with the collapse of the record shop there is nowhere else to go to talk to fellow classical music enthusiasts (or 'CD nutters' as my classical music loving friend likes to say). Therefore it's great for me here that I can communicate with others who, to a greater or lesser extent, share my taste in music. Thanks again for the thoughtful reply. :)
No names no pack drill but sometimes I just don't get it. Not so long ago I praised a body of works and a member of long standing came back - at least he bothered to reply, a rarity as far as I'm concerned - with he didn't think much of them, which is fine why should he. I was shocked when only a short few weeks later he praised the same said works to the high heavens! Not once but over an extended period, he still is! The only conclusion I can draw from this....... not worth going there. Rant over, I feel better getting that off my chest. :)
Quote from: Ratliff on February 04, 2020, 10:13:11 PM
If, like me, your interest in John Ireland was sparked by Luke's eloquent advocacy, you might have this excellent set of chamber music recordings released by Chandos:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51By14q-xtL.jpg)
It was, though I do not, yet really I ought . . . .
I like the forum; people are generally friendly and informative and there are few enough to be able to keep up properly :).
Quote from: steve ridgway on February 05, 2020, 06:01:20 AM
I like the forum; people are generally friendly and informative and there are few enough to be able to keep up properly :).
+1 :-*
I demand all of your empathies and sympathies! But for me only! You are not allowed to share them with others! Fight to the death for me! :)
Quote from: greg on February 07, 2020, 07:37:10 AM
I demand all of your empathies and sympathies! But for me only! You are not allowed to share them with others! Fight to the death forwith
me! :)
#fixed
I have to say I'm honored, and privileged, to be part of the GMG 'groupie' of Vandermolen, SymphonicAddict, Cristo, Kyjo, J.Z. Herrenberg and cilgwyn who share a love for most of the same composers. You will certainly find common threads between us all. Unfortunately, J.Z. Herenberg doesn't post much anymore but probably does lurk and cilgwyn just vanished. :(
Quote from: Mirror Image on May 26, 2020, 01:42:33 PM
I have to say I'm honored, and privileged, to be part of the GMG 'groupie' of Vandermolen, SymphonicAddict, Cristo, Kyjo, J.Z. Herrenberg and cilgwyn who share a love for most of the same composers. You will certainly find common threads between us all. Unfortunately, J.Z. Herenberg doesn't post much anymore but probably does lurk and cilgwyn just vanished. :(
I won't put you on my list for fear of whiplash!
I won't put Uncle Harry on my list because I simply can't afford it...
But Karl and Vandermolen are the first two names that would come to mind.
It is an honor to be included on [insert name here]'s list. I just wish I felt the same for you, [insert name here].
I hope this didn't offend anyone.
Quote from: springrite on May 26, 2020, 04:15:50 PM
I won't put you on my list for fear of whiplash!
I won't put Uncle Harry on my list because I simply can't afford it...
But Karl and Vandermolen are the first two names that would come to mind.
Damn, I forgot about you, Paul! I don't hardly see you on GMG anymore, so sorry if your name slipped my mind. :-[ Of course, I like Karl a lot as well and many other members here.
The hell happened to my post?
Quote from: Dowder on May 26, 2020, 08:11:50 PM
It got flushed. ;)
Ok, now the taste re-education centers are going to open a year earlier because of that.
Quote from: greg on May 26, 2020, 08:38:35 PM
Ok, now the taste re-education centers are going to open a year earlier because of that.
I think I got five words into it before I mentally flushed it.