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Lennox Berkeley: (for 2 Pianos)
Bliss: Piano Concerto
Cyril Scott: No.1
Hayasaka
Rawsthorne: No.2
Stanley Bate: Piano Concerto No.2
Egge: No.2
Rubbra Piano Concerto
Gordon Jacob: For Three Hands
Chisholm: No.1

Oooh, fun one. Also I wonder where the boundary lies between more- and less-known! Does Saint-Saens 3 count? What about Britten? (Bonus: What about "Diversions"?)

Alkan - for Solo Piano
Englund - No. 1
Hahn - Concerto
Hurnik - Double Concerto (oboe and piano) (primarily for oboe, it's sort of like a role reversal of the Shostakovich piano/trumpet concerto, so perhaps it does not count)
Ireland - Concerto
Massenet - Concerto
Paderewski - Concerto
Rautavaara - No. 3 "Gift of Dreams"
Ries - "Greetings to the Rhine"
Szymanowski - Symphonie concertante

Bonus:
Tchaikovsky - I like No. 2 and Concert Fantasy better than No. 1!

Quote from: Brian on December 21, 2020, 02:53:00 PM
Oooh, fun one. Also I wonder where the boundary lies between more- and less-known! Does Saint-Saens 3 count? What about Britten? (Bonus: What about "Diversions"?)

Alkan - for Solo Piano
Englund - No. 1
Hahn - Concerto
Hurnik - Double Concerto (oboe and piano) (primarily for oboe, it's sort of like a role reversal of the Shostakovich piano/trumpet concerto, so perhaps it does not count)
Ireland - Concerto
Massenet - Concerto
Paderewski - Concerto
Rautavaara - No. 3 "Gift of Dreams"
Ries - "Greetings to the Rhine"
Szymanowski - Symphonie concertante

Bonus:
Tchaikovsky - I like No. 2 and Concert Fantasy better than No. 1!

Thanks and interesting list.
I like the Rautavaara as well but prefer Ireland's 'Legend' to the better known PC. +1 for Englund.

Quote from: Brian on December 21, 2020, 02:53:00 PM

Paderewski - Concerto

Bonus:
Tchaikovsky - I like No. 2

Hope you are doing well, Brian! 🙂

Yup, agree about the Paderewski. Terrific work that I have heard live.

And I do absolutely love especially the middle movement of Tchaikovsky's 2nd piano concerto!

Arnold: concerto for 2 pianos, 3 hands
Ginastera, concerto no 1
Wiklund concertos 1 and 2
Rosenberg, concertos 1 and 2
Scharwenka, concertos 2 and 3
Panufnik
Szymanski

I will just add a few more to what's already been mentioned:

Emil von Sauer PC 1, 2
Bortkiewicz PC 1, 2, 3
Ignaz Brull

Some have been superb discoveries:

Mosolov 1
Benoit
Alnaes
Boeck
Bacewicz
Levina 2
Mathieu 4
Carwithen
Vine 1
Papandopulo 3

Quote from: vandermolen on December 21, 2020, 02:31:00 PM
Lennox Berkeley: (for 2 Pianos)
Bliss: Piano Concerto
Cyril Scott: No.1
Hayasaka
Rawsthorne: No.2
Stanley Bate: Piano Concerto No.2
Egge: No.2
Rubbra Piano Concerto
Gordon Jacob: For Three Hands
Chisholm: No.1

I think there are too many non-British composers on your list, Jeffrey.  ;)

Quote from: André on December 21, 2020, 04:39:18 PM
Arnold: concerto for 2 pianos, 3 hands
Ginastera, concerto no 1
Wiklund concertos 1 and 2
Rosenberg, concertos 1 and 2
Scharwenka, concertos 2 and 3
Panufnik
Szymanski

Oh yes, the Arnold - great work and great fun - I could have included that. I hardly know the Rosenberg although I love his symphonies 2 'Grave', 3 and 6.

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on December 21, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Some have been superb discoveries:

Mosolov 1
Benoit
Alnaes
Boeck
Bacewicz
Levina 2
Mathieu 4
Carwithen
Vine 1
Papandopulo 3

Interesting list Cesar, I know and like several of those including ones by Mosolov, Levina, Carwithen and Papandopulo No.3 but need to give them another listen.
Thanks for all replies - read with much interest.

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on December 21, 2020, 06:34:48 PM
I think there are too many non-British composers on your list, Jeffrey.  ;)

Haha, yes, I realised that as soon as I posted it Cesar! It looks a bit nationalistic - but that's not my thing at all, really.
I'm very fond, for example, of Bliss's big PC (and I like his shorter PC as well). It is not a 'great' work IMO but I find something very endearing about it and often return to it and find sections of it (climax of first movement) both moving and inspiriting. Anyway, they are not all British - one of my favourites is the one by Hayasaka and there is Egge No.2 and Chisholm is Scottish!  ;D

Can I suggest totally unknown concerti? Often in dated recordings and performances....

Belgian:

Theo Ysaÿe (Eugène's brother): composed in 1907 - gorgeous, late romantic schmalz and brillance.
https://youtu.be/zlPBFDNEvQ4

René Defossez (Spa, 4 oktober 1905 - Etterbeek, 20 mei 1988): concerto composed in 1951. Tonal, very dynamic and energetic in the fast movements. A "religioso" slow movement adds gravitas. Defossez is a conductor/composer well acquainted with Bartok, Prokofiev and Stravinsky.
https://youtu.be/udHa9eWFRGo

Jean Louel (Ostend 1914 - Nijvel 2005): concerto nr. 2 (1945). A short (ca 15 mins.), quasi expressionist , quite angry work. Louel, also a respected conductor, knows how to create tension. Echoes of Bartok, Prokofiev and Ravel.
https://youtu.be/2ICG5ilSKgA

And, for those who, like me,  like Peter Mennin's mighty pianoconcerto two concerti by Czech composers .

Petr Eben. Concerto (1960-1961)
https://youtu.be/iiWJBpRB5f4
Jindrich Feld. Concerto (1973) written for Bozena Steinerova.
https://youtu.be/t8A4xr0MSX0

Both works are very percussive, glitter often with spectacular pianistic athletics and combine intense sadness with rage.
Eben's concerto is only slightly gentler than Feld's powerhouse.

A recent and very gentle French discovery is Jean Jacques Grünenwald's (2 February 1911 – 19 December 1982) Concerto d'été for piano and strings (1944). It should appeal, I think, to those who like Poulenc, Damase, Ibert.

https://youtu.be/E7JESeDWUS4

And this hot, Columbian swinging fantasy! Homenaje a Ginastera by Hector Gonzalez. Fun!
https://youtu.be/8s-qZ9yPBPs

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on December 21, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Some have been superb discoveries:

Mosolov 1
Benoit
Alnaes
Boeck
Bacewicz
Levina 2
Mathieu 4
Carwithen
Vine 1
Papandopulo 3

The Mathieu 4 is on its way, should be here any day. All the others on your list are totally unknown for me !

Absolutely pjme. I'm happy for anyone to suggest any PC. Interesting list and thanks to all for the thoughtful suggestions.

Quote from: André on December 22, 2020, 05:01:55 AM
The Mathieu 4 is on its way, should be here any day. All the others on your list are totally unknown for me !

I had the pleasure about ten years ago hearing the Mathieu 4 live in concert with Alain Lefévre at the piano. A marvelous work!

Quote from: OrchestralNut on December 22, 2020, 05:22:22 AM
I had the pleasure about ten years ago hearing the Mathieu 4 live in concert with Alain Lefévre at the piano. A marvelous work!

As for me, I saw him play Mathieu's Concerto de Québec around the same time  :). He is a very sensitive artist.

For me the pieces that come to mind rather fall among the genre Hurwitz also recently had a video on, namely concert pieces often not explicitly called concerto, typically a bit shorter (15-20 min). They are usually from famous composers but have somewhat fallen out of favor (or were never all that popular)

Weber: Concert piece f minor
Schumann: Introduktion & Allegro appassionato (Concert piece) op.92
Liszt: Totentanz
Franck: Symphonic Variations
Strauss: Burleske
Dohnanyi: Variations on a nursery song

Also (regular concertos)
Mosolov op.14
Schulhoff ("alla Jazz")
Blacher Nr. 2
Stravinsky Piano and winds

Excellent selection Jo. And I'm particularly happy to see Stravinsky's Concerto for piano and winds in your list.
As for shorter pieces, I think of the many "Ballades" and "Fantaisies" that were popular in 19th century France.

There's quite a list of compositions that I love:
Fauré:
Ballade pour piano et orchestre, Op. 19
Fantaisie pour piano et orchestre en sol majeur, Op. 111
Debussy:
Fantaisie (1890).
Max d'Ollone : Fantaisie (1897)
Paul Le Flem: Fantaisie (1911)
Charles Koechlin's darkly romantic Ballade opus 50
Louis Vierne wrote a beautiful Poème for piano and orchestra opus 50 (the opening measures are pure magic...)

I only know the Faurè and Debussy of the ones you mention and neither very well but did forget about them. There seems to be another somewhat jazz-inspired (but more in the Stravinskian than Gershwin mode) somewhere in my head but I am not sure. I thought de Falla, but that's harpsichord! Among somewhat well known composers Francaix, Poulenc, Honegger, Roussel, Tcherepnin also have shortish pieces/"concertini", also Janacek. Hurwitz does have a point that quite a few of such shorter concertante pieces are comparably neglected.

George Lloyd Piano Concertos Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4
Fartein Valen Piano Concerto op. 44

Sarge

Quote from: André on December 22, 2020, 05:01:55 AM
The Mathieu 4 is on its way, should be here any day. All the others on your list are totally unknown for me !

Since our tastes overlap in a big margin, I think you could like them, André.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 22, 2020, 12:02:50 PM
George Lloyd Piano Concertos Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4
Fartein Valen Piano Concerto op. 44

Sarge

Ah, great choices Sarge! I forgot about Lloyd and would include No.1 'Scapegoat' and the epic No.3. Although I like them all. Don't know the Valen so must look out for that one.

10 favorite piano concertos from the classical era which, I assume, are lesser-known to the original poster.

Wolfl Piano Concerto No 6 "The Cuckoo"
Rosetti Piano Concerto C 2
Benda G Piano Concerto in F Major
Hiller Piano Concerto Op 69
Arne Piano Concerto No 5
Paisiello Piano Concerto No 6
Kozeluch Piano Concerto No 7
Clementi Piano Concerto in C Major
Tomasek Piano Concerto No 1
Field Piano Concerto No 2

Quote from: vandermolen on December 22, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
Ah, great choices Sarge! I forgot about Lloyd and would include No.1 'Scapegoat' and the epic No.3. Although I like them all. Don't know the Valen so must look out for that one.

Even if you don't like it, it won't waste much of your time: its three movements weigh in at only eight and a half minutes (in the recording I own), making it the shortest piano concerto I know.

Sarge

Quote from: Symphonic Addict on December 22, 2020, 07:08:06 PM
Since our tastes overlap in a big margin, I think you could like them, André.

I duly noted them, Cesar  ;)

And since our tastes overlap  :P, do give a chance to this recording of the Panufnik, Szymanski and Lutoslawski concertos:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61vwt9ymd4L._AC_.jpg)

I didn't mention the Lutoslawski because he hardly needs advocacy, but his concerto is as fine - and yet wholly different - as the other two on this disc.

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 23, 2020, 04:47:51 AM
Even if you don't like it, it won't waste much of your time: its three movements weigh in at only eight and a half minutes (in the recording I own), making it the shortest piano concerto I know.

The Francaix Concertino comes in at ca. 7:30 min.

Quote from: André on December 23, 2020, 05:27:00 AM
I duly noted them, Cesar  ;)

And since our tastes overlap  :P, do give a chance to this recording of the Panufnik, Szymanski and Lutoslawski concertos:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61vwt9ymd4L._AC_.jpg)

I didn't mention the Lutoslawski because he hardly needs advocacy, but his concerto is as fine - and yet wholly different - as the other two on this disc.

Sure, André. I'll be investigating the Szymanski.

Quote from: Jo498 on December 23, 2020, 06:42:46 AM
The Francaix Concertino comes in at ca. 7:30 min.

Interesting. I don't know the piece. I'll have to YouTube it.

Sarge

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on December 23, 2020, 04:47:51 AM
Even if you don't like it, it won't waste much of your time: its three movements weigh in at only eight and a half minutes (in the recording I own), making it the shortest piano concerto I know.

Sarge

Saint-Saens' "Wedding Cake" is about six minutes.  :D

Rakov's 1st Piano Concerto is just 5 1/2 minutes of music, and the 2nd is 7 1/2 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFxkODkr3D4

They aren't of mind-boggling quality, though.

I love piano concertos. I suppose my 10 'off the beaten track' would be something like:
Alnaes
Lyapunov 1
Scharwenka 4
Kalkbrenner 1 (but maybe 4, which I also love)
Brull 1
Atterberg
Busoni
Stenhammar 1
Lessel (Op. 14)

I'd love to work in a concerto from Czerny or Ries. But I think my final spot will be Bendix.

Quote from: mc ukrneal on December 23, 2020, 09:33:25 AM
Lessel (Op. 14)

This one suits "Lesser-known" quite well indeed.  :D

I heartily second most mentioned already (esp. Alnæs, Lloyd, Sauer, Scharwenka 4, etc.) Some not mentioned yet:

L. Anderson
Damase 2
Foulds "Dynamic Triptych"
Garūta
Gipps
Kabalevsky 2
Paderewski
Röntgen 2
Tcherepnin 4 "Fantaisie"
Tveitt 4 "Aurora borealis"

Mental note to revisit Viktor Ullmann's concerto, which I haven't heard in 5-6 years.

Antheil 1 & 2
Carter
Malipiero 1 & 2
Mennin
Schnittke, Cto for pf & strings
Tippett
Wuorinen 3 & 4

Dussek - Op. 49 (in G minor) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGioQm_SX0) - the equal, in quality and style, of Beethoven's first three
Hummel - Op. 89 (in B minor) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm6dxBKAFag) - not quite up there with Dussek or Beethoven, but more proto-Romantic, anticipating Chopin and Mendelssohn
Skalkottas -No. 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAR2m--UvSQ&list=OLAK5uy_m8C2R-n-MXGmS7WXWOvWOK8uVhXkyfk_E) - I will grant that not everyone will like this
Busoni - Op. 39 (in C major) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwXp7AjJ0Fc) - or this
Alkan - Op. 39 nos. 8-10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l78QnWhvEBA) - the greatest achievement of this piece is achieving all the feats of the traditional concerto without an orchestra, but even if it were arranged for orchestra the musical material is worthwhile enough to make it one of the best romantic era concertos
Ginastera - Op. 28 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kesUKzsJjfg) - a big romantic concerto in a strict twelve-tone idiom. Everyone loves it
Ginastera - Op. 39 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0SBFJccnIE) - a bit more dependent on the classical canon, a lot harder to play, still usually fun (performance here is not ideal but you get the score)
Gerhard - for piano and strings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3P7kd-Y-x0) - couldn't find a score for this one, & it's a bit hard to describe, but you'll know within a minute whether you like it or not
Berio - for two pianos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2biU-4I9-k) - Berio didn't really write traditional concertante works, he instead used the orchestra as an extension of the solo instrument(s), and this piece is one of the most successful examples
Clementi - for piano and 14 instruments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm_JSgfl8F0) - maybe the only kind of piano concerto it's possible to write post-1945 while retaining any sense of intellectual honesty and integrity
Cage - for prepared piano and chamber orchestra (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms70jqdZHzs) - idem
Liebermann - Op. 36 (in B-flat major) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xhS9GXDeZI) - of course, there's probably an equal amount of integrity required to overtly just discard the twentieth century, rather than trying to put a layer of ironic distance between you and your models

Quote from: amw on December 23, 2020, 06:31:00 PM
Dussek - Op. 49 (in G minor) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGioQm_SX0) - the equal, in quality and style, of Beethoven's first three
Hummel - Op. 89 (in B minor) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm6dxBKAFag) - not quite up there with Dussek or Beethoven, but more proto-Romantic, anticipating Chopin and Mendelssohn
Skalkottas -No. 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAR2m--UvSQ&list=OLAK5uy_m8C2R-n-MXGmS7WXWOvWOK8uVhXkyfk_E) - I will grant that not everyone will like this
Busoni - Op. 39 (in C major) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwXp7AjJ0Fc) - or this
Alkan - Op. 39 nos. 8-10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l78QnWhvEBA) - the greatest achievement of this piece is achieving all the feats of the traditional concerto without an orchestra, but even if it were arranged for orchestra the musical material is worthwhile enough to make it one of the best romantic era concertos
Ginastera - Op. 28 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kesUKzsJjfg) - a big romantic concerto in a strict twelve-tone idiom. Everyone loves it
Ginastera - Op. 39 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0SBFJccnIE) - a bit more dependent on the classical canon, a lot harder to play, still usually fun (performance here is not ideal but you get the score)
Gerhard - for piano and strings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3P7kd-Y-x0) - couldn't find a score for this one, & it's a bit hard to describe, but you'll know within a minute whether you like it or not
Berio - for two pianos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2biU-4I9-k) - Berio didn't really write traditional concertante works, he instead used the orchestra as an extension of the solo instrument(s), and this piece is one of the most successful examples
Clementi - for piano and 14 instruments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm_JSgfl8F0) - maybe the only kind of piano concerto it's possible to write post-1945 while retaining any sense of intellectual honesty and integrity
Cage - for prepared piano and chamber orchestra (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms70jqdZHzs) - idem
Liebermann - Op. 36 (in B-flat major) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xhS9GXDeZI) - of course, there's probably an equal amount of integrity required to overtly just discard the twentieth century, rather than trying to put a layer of ironic distance between you and your models

The only ones I know from your list. No 1 is also on mine. A big thumbs up  :)

My favourite 'little-known' piano concerto remains the Concerto for two pianos and orchestra (1948) by Lennox Berkeley. Can add another ten, but this one will remain my main recommendation.  :)

Quote from: Christo on December 24, 2020, 07:13:18 AM
My favourite 'little-known' piano concerto remains the Concerto for two pianos and orchestra (1948) by Lennox Berkeley. Can add another ten, but this one will remain my main recommendation.  :)

Great work.

Can't see a previous thread but I may be wrong.
Kabalevsky PC No.1 (especially the Jarvi/Stott recording). It's like a cross between Prokofiev and Khachaturian but also recognizably by Kabalevsky with an individuality and depth of its own. It has a deeply-felt and moving slow movement and a very exciting ending.
Cyril Scott PC No.1 has a hypnotic 'Chinese' quality to it (Herrmann/Ogdon is the one to have)
Lennox Berkeley Double Piano Concerto
Gordon Jacob for Two Pianos
Stanley Bate PC. No.2

Sigismond Thalberg
Henrique Oswald
Isaac Albeniz
Francisco Mignone
Ignacy Jan Paderewski
Reynaldo Hahn
Gabriel Pierné
Jules Massenet
Giuseppe Martucci No. 1
John Field No. 1

Yes, there's one, and you created it, Jeffrey:

10 favourite 'Lesser-known' piano concertos (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,30512.0.html)

Quote from: Løvfald on March 01, 2023, 12:48:00 PMYes, there's one, and you created it, Jeffrey:

Had he asked his wife before posting, he could have avoided this embarrassment.  ;D  >:D

Medtner: either of the three
Skalkottas: either of the three
Foulds: Dynamic Triptych
Busoni
Dvořák
Korngold
Henselt
Tovey
Paderewski
Scharwenka No. 4
Hummel in A minor (Op. 85)
Walton: Sinfonia concertante
Scriabin
Vaughan Williams (I much prefer it in its original version for ONE piano and orchestra)

I could go on.

Quote from: Løvfald on March 01, 2023, 12:48:00 PMYes, there's one, and you created it, Jeffrey:

10 favourite 'Lesser-known' piano concertos (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,30512.0.html)

Oh dear! Another boo-boo.
Thanks Cesar  :)

Quote from: Florestan on March 01, 2023, 12:53:12 PMHad he asked his wife before posting, he could have avoided this embarrassment.  ;D  >:D

HAHA  ;D

Quote from: Wanderer on March 01, 2023, 10:30:01 PMMedtner: either of the three
Skalkottas: either of the three
Foulds: Dynamic Triptych
Busoni
Dvořák
Korngold
Henselt
Tovey


Paderewski
Scharwenka No. 4
Hummel in A minor (Op. 85)
Walton: Sinfonia concertante
Scriabin
Vaughan Williams (I much prefer it in its original version for ONE piano and orchestra)

I could go on.

Nice list - the Tovey interests me.

Quote from: Florestan on March 01, 2023, 12:14:14 PMSigismond Thalberg
Henrique Oswald
Isaac Albeniz
Francisco Mignone
Ignacy Jan Paderewski
Reynaldo Hahn
Gabriel Pierné
Jules Massenet
Giuseppe Martucci No. 1
John Field No. 1

Don't know any of these. Which should I sample first Andrei?

Quote from: vandermolen on March 02, 2023, 01:07:45 PMDon't know any of these. Which should I sample first Andrei?

My vote is for the Paderewski.  :)

Quote from: OrchestralNut on March 02, 2023, 01:20:38 PMMy vote is for the Paderewski.  :)

Thank you!  :)

Wasn't he Prime Minister of Poland?

Quote from: vandermolen on March 02, 2023, 01:53:44 PMThank you!  :)

Wasn't he Prime Minister of Poland?

Indeed!

Tsintsadze Fantasia for Piano and Orchestra
Medtner pc3
Vladigerov pc 3
Fikret Amirov
Vasif Adigezalov pc4
August de Boeck Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
Guarnieri pc1
Ned Rorem
Kapralova
Yossifov pc2
Peter Mennin
Vesslin Stoyanov pc1

Quote from: Løvfald on December 21, 2020, 06:06:52 PMSome have been superb discoveries:

Mosolov 1
Benoit
Alnaes
Boeck
Bacewicz
Levina 2
Mathieu 4
Carwithen
Vine 1
Papandopulo 3

+ these:

Bo Linde: Piano Concerto No. 2
Lydia Auster: Piano Concerto No. 1 in G major
Dag Wirén: Piano Concerto, Op. 26
Eduard Franck: Piano Concerto No. 2 in C major
Erwin Schulhoff: Concerto for piano and small orchestra, Op. 43
Samuil Feinberg: Piano Concerto No. 3 in C minor, Op. 44
Ildebrando Pizzetti: Canti della stagione alta
William Alwyn: Piano Concerto No. 2
Leo Weiner: Piano Concertino, Op. 15
Zygmunt Stojowski: Piano Concerto No. 2 in A-flat major, Op. 32
Alexis de Castillon: Piano Concerto in D major, Op. 12

Quote from: vandermolen on March 02, 2023, 01:06:57 PMNice list - the Tovey interests me.

It's a delightful work, unfairly neglected. The Osborne/BBCSSO/Brabbins recording on Hyperion is the one to get.

Quote from: vandermolen on March 02, 2023, 01:07:45 PMDon't know any of these. Which should I sample first?

The Paderewski.

Quote from: vandermolen on March 02, 2023, 01:53:44 PMWasn't he Prime Minister of Poland?

And Foreign Minister. His signature is on the Treaty of Versailles, which granted Poland its independence after World War I.

Quote from: Wanderer on March 02, 2023, 08:43:01 PMIt's a delightful work, unfairly neglected. The Osborne/BBCSSO/Brabbins recording on Hyperion is the one to get.


The Paderewski.

And Foreign Minister. His signature is on the Treaty of Versailles, which granted Poland its independence after World War I.

Thanks!  :)

Quote from: vandermolen on March 02, 2023, 01:07:45 PMDon't know any of these. Which should I sample first Andrei?

The Martucci.

Quote from: Florestan on March 01, 2023, 12:14:14 PMSigismond Thalberg
Henrique Oswald
Isaac Albeniz
Francisco Mignone
Ignacy Jan Paderewski
Reynaldo Hahn
Gabriel Pierné
Jules Massenet
Giuseppe Martucci No. 1
John Field No. 1

Of these, I know the Paderewski, Hahn, Pierné, and Massenet which are inspired choices. The Paderewski has an ineffably beautiful slow movement, and the Massenet has one of the catchiest minor-key finales of any concerto. I only know Martucci's 2nd PC, which is a truly grand work IIRC.

Quote from: kyjo on December 23, 2020, 12:50:07 PML. Anderson
Damase 2
Foulds "Dynamic Triptych"
Garūta
Gipps
Kabalevsky 2
Paderewski
Röntgen 2
Tcherepnin 4 "Fantaisie"
Tveitt 4 "Aurora borealis"

List #2:

Eyvind Alnaes in D major (probably the most gloriously melodic PC I know by anyone, even above Rachmaninoff!!)
William Alwyn no. 2
Einar Englund no. 2
Lukas Foss no. 2
Milosz Magin no. 3
André Mathieu no. 4
Zara Levina no. 2
George Lloyd no. 4
Selim Palmgren no. 2 The River
Emil von Sauer no. 1

Quote from: Løvfald on March 02, 2023, 05:20:55 PM+ these:

Bo Linde: Piano Concerto No. 2
Lydia Auster: Piano Concerto No. 1 in G major
Dag Wirén: Piano Concerto, Op. 26
Eduard Franck: Piano Concerto No. 2 in C major
Erwin Schulhoff: Concerto for piano and small orchestra, Op. 43
Samuil Feinberg: Piano Concerto No. 3 in C minor, Op. 44
Ildebrando Pizzetti: Canti della stagione alta
William Alwyn: Piano Concerto No. 2
Leo Weiner: Piano Concertino, Op. 15
Zygmunt Stojowski: Piano Concerto No. 2 in A-flat major, Op. 32
Alexis de Castillon: Piano Concerto in D major, Op. 12

Big thumbs up for the Auster, Schulhoff, Pizzetti (what a glorious ending!), Alwyn, and Castillon especially!

Quote from: kyjo on March 03, 2023, 06:18:48 PMList #2:

Eyvind Alnaes in D major (probably the most gloriously melodic PC I know by anyone, even above Rachmaninoff!!)
William Alwyn no. 2
Einar Englund no. 2
Lukas Foss no. 2
Milosz Magin no. 3
André Mathieu no. 4
Zara Levina no. 2
George Lloyd no. 4
Selim Palmgren no. 2 The River
Emil von Sauer no. 1

+1 on the André Mathieu 4th Piano Concerto in E minor. The "French Canadian Rachmaninov". 😎 I think it is quite the work!

Nicolai Tcherepnin's 2-movement concerto:





His son Alexander Tcherepnin's Piano Concerto #6:




A comment from YouTube:

Quote"If professional pianists would ever get tired of performing Tchaikovsky #1 for the millionth time, they would delight audiences with this work."

Quote from: OrchestralNut on March 04, 2023, 04:35:33 AM+1 on the André Mathieu 4th Piano Concerto in E minor. The "French Canadian Rachmaninov". 😎 I think it is quite the work!

Indeed! The slow movement is rapturously beautiful and the finale is a rip-roaring barnstormer in 5/4 or 5/8 time (IIRC). It's such a pity that Mathieu died so young!

Kevin Puts: Night (Piano Concerto)
Kurt Atterberg: Piano Concerto
Thierry Escaich: Fantaisie concertante for piano and orchestra
Ragnar Søderlind: Piano Concerto
William Alwyn: PIano Concerto No. 2
RVW: Piano Concerto
Kenneth Fuchs "Spiritualist" Piano concerto
Penderecki Resurrection Concerto
Malcolm Arnold: Fantasy on a Theme of John Field for Piano and Orchestra, Op. 116 (1975)
Lee Actor: Piano Concerto No. 2

Quote from: relm1 on March 05, 2023, 05:39:38 AMKevin Puts: Night (Piano Concerto)
Kurt Atterberg: Piano Concerto
Thierry Escaich: Fantaisie concertante for piano and orchestra
Ragnar Søderlind: Piano Concerto
William Alwyn: PIano Concerto No. 2
RVW: Piano Concerto
Kenneth Fuchs "Spiritualist" Piano concerto
Penderecki Resurrection Concerto
Malcolm Arnold: Fantasy on a Theme of John Field for Piano and Orchestra, Op. 116 (1975)
Lee Actor: Piano Concerto No. 2

Glad to see Alwyn's PC no. 2 receiving so much attention in this thread - it's one of his very finest works in my view. Big thumbs-up as well for the Atterberg, RVW, and Arnold works, the latter of which is truly concerto-like in scope. I wish I could find a recording of the Søderlind concerto!

Quote from: kyjo on March 03, 2023, 06:18:48 PMList #2:

Eyvind Alnaes in D major (probably the most gloriously melodic PC I know by anyone, even above Rachmaninoff!!)
William Alwyn no. 2
Einar Englund no. 2
Lukas Foss no. 2
Milosz Magin no. 3
André Mathieu no. 4
Zara Levina no. 2
George Lloyd no. 4
Selim Palmgren no. 2 The River
Emil von Sauer no. 1

I have yet to hear the Lloyd. A shame it's not available for streaming at least.

In no particular order:

Bortkiewicz Piano Concerto No. 1
Tveitt Piano Concerto No. 4 'Aurora Borealis'
Schnittke Concerto for piano and strings
Lutoslawski Piano Concerto
Paderewski Piano Concerto in A minor
Gerhard Concerto for piano and strings
Schulhoff Concerto for piano and small orchestra
Respighi Piano Concerto in A minor
Atterberg Piano Concerto in B flat minor
Moszkowski Piano Concerto in E major

Wow, looking at your mentions, I must really admit I have a lot to learn from you, gentlemen!

Cage Concert for Piano & Orchestra
Chick Corea
Flagello № 1
Hindemith Konzertmusik for piano, brass and two harps, Op. 49
Leon Kirchner
Khatchaturian
Malipiero Variazioni senza tema
Mennin
Wuorinen № 3
Wuorinen № 4

Quote from: kyjo on March 05, 2023, 07:45:39 AMGlad to see Alwyn's PC no. 2 receiving so much attention in this thread - it's one of his very finest works in my view. Big thumbs-up as well for the Atterberg, RVW, and Arnold works, the latter of which is truly concerto-like in scope. I wish I could find a recording of the Søderlind concerto!

Me too about Søderlind.  I am basing my opinion on reading the score!

Quote from: Løvfald on March 05, 2023, 02:41:07 PMI have yet to hear the Lloyd. A shame it's not available for streaming at least.

A shame indeed! I was fortunate enough to pick up a physical copy of the Albany CD containing it at a shop several years ago. It's a delightfully tuneful work up to Lloyd's usual high standard. His 2nd PC is also absent from streaming services and YT, unfortunately.

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on March 05, 2023, 03:39:42 PMIn no particular order:

Bortkiewicz Piano Concerto No. 1
Tveitt Piano Concerto No. 4 'Aurora Borealis'
Schnittke Concerto for piano and strings
Lutoslawski Piano Concerto
Paderewski Piano Concerto in A minor
Gerhard Concerto for piano and strings
Schulhoff Concerto for piano and small orchestra
Respighi Piano Concerto in A minor
Atterberg Piano Concerto in B flat minor
Moszkowski Piano Concerto in E major

Wow, looking at your mentions, I must really admit I have a lot to learn from you, gentlemen!

Fantastic choices, Ilaria!

Quote from: Karl Tirebiter Henning on March 05, 2023, 04:05:24 PMCage Concert for Piano & Orchestra
Chick Corea
Flagello № 1
Hindemith Konzertmusik for piano, brass and two harps, Op. 49
Leon Kirchner
Khatchaturian
Malipiero Variazioni senza tema
Mennin
Wuorinen № 3
Wuorinen № 4

Interesting list, Karl! I only know the Khachaturian and possibly the Mennin.

Quote from: kyjo on March 06, 2023, 03:11:06 PMInteresting list, Karl! I only know the Khachaturian and possibly the Mennin.

Karl recommended the Hindemith Op. 49 to me recently, and I enjoyed it. (I'd also enjoyed Kleine Kammermusik.)

Quote from: kyjo on March 03, 2023, 06:18:48 PMEyvind Alnaes in D major (probably the most gloriously melodic PC I know by anyone, even above Rachmaninoff!!)

Quite the claim but I'm afraid I have to disagree. I've just listened to this concerto in the Hyperion recording (Piers Lane / Andrew Litton / Bergen PO). The only tune that stays in my head is... the one that resembles Rachmaninoff's most famous variation in the Paganini Rhapsody.  ;D

No, really, I can think of a dozen concertos whose melodies are much more memorable: Schumann, Grieg, Tchaikovsky 1, Mendelssohn (both), Chopin (both), Brahms (both), Rachmaninoff 2 and 3 --- and that without even mentioning Mozart and Beethoven.

Really sorry to spoil your party, Kyle, but I can't help it.

Quote from: Florestan on March 07, 2023, 02:23:28 AMQuite the claim but I'm afraid I have to disagree. I've just listened to this concerto in the Hyperion recording (Piers Lane / Andrew Litton / Bergen PO). The only tune that stays in my head is... the one that resembles Rachmaninoff's most famous variation in the Paganini Rhapsody.  ;D

No, really, I can think of a dozen concertos whose melodies are much more memorable: Schumann, Grieg, Tchaikovsky 1, Mendelssohn (both), Chopin (both), Brahms (both), Rachmaninoff 2 and 3 --- and that without even mentioning Mozart and Beethoven.

Really sorry to spoil your party, Kyle, but I can't help it.

Where's the "dislike" button?? >:D  ;D I would've thought this concerto would be right up your alley, Andrei. Oh well, there's no accounting for taste!

Also, FYI the Alnaes was composed 20 years before Rach's Paganini Rhapsody. ;)

Quote from: kyjo on March 07, 2023, 05:44:06 AMWhere's the "dislike" button?? >:D  ;D I would've thought this concerto would be right up your alley, Andrei. Oh well, there's no accounting for taste!

Don't get me wrong, Kyle: I did like it. A lot. What I can't agree with is your assertion that it is "probably the most gloriously melodic PC I know by anyone, even above Rachmaninoff!!". I'm sorry but in terms of memorable tunefulness it doesn't come even close to Rachmaninoff 2.

QuoteAlso, FYI the Alnaes was composed 20 years before Rach's Paganini Rhapsody. ;)

I am aware of that. The resemblance is a mere coincidence: first, there is no evidence that Rachmaninoff knew the Alnaes and second, Rachmaninoff's tune is simply the inversion of Paganini's.

Quote from: Florestan on March 07, 2023, 08:19:52 AMDon't get me wrong, Kyle: I did like it. A lot. What I can't agree with is your assertion that it is "probably the most gloriously melodic PC I know by anyone, even above Rachmaninoff!!". I'm sorry but in terms of memorable tunefulness it doesn't come even close to Rachmaninoff 2.

I am aware of that. The resemblance is a mere coincidence: first, there is no evidence that Rachmaninoff knew the Alnaes and second, Rachmaninoff's tune is simply the inversion of Paganini's.

Fair enough! I suppose we all perceieve "memorability" differently. Of course, we can both agree that Rachmaninoff's 2nd PC is one of most melodically memorable works ever composed! :)