Are there any symphonies, that you plan to acquire for your collection in the future?
I have a few on such a 'want list', mostly not that easy to find for reasonable money, but they might be supplemented with some more stuff, if some unknown works or recordings unknown turn up ...
I don't have a list of symphonies that I plan to buy, it never seems to happen like that. In the last year or so I have bought complete cycles by Villa-Lobos, Langgaard and Kabelac but they came completely out of the blue.
I've been mulling over the
right Martinů cycle for me for so long that I'm now planning to step out of my OCD comfort zone and piece a custom set together from different recordings. Praise Bohuslav there's just six of 'em! 8)
Quote from: Biffo on January 17, 2022, 03:07:59 AMIn the last year or so I have bought complete cycles by Villa-Lobos, Langgaard and Kabelac but they came completely out of the blue.
*pounds the box sets* (gently)
I'm pretty happy with my go to set of the general repertoire symphonies, but like the others, am always hearing of new and intriguing works by lesser-known composers or young composers that I sort of learn about after the fact. I definitely do have some things I want to hear that for some reason seem completely unavailable though, like I don't think Popov's Symphony No. 4 has ever been recorded (to the best of my knowledge). There are also some composers I greatly admire and follow that are sadly neglected that are definitely on my want list. Norwegian's Kjell Mørk Karlsen and Ragnar Søderlind who don't seem to get any national support due to their traditional styles though I've followed them for years and find them excellent though neglected. Their music isn't even played let alone recorded. Søderlind mentioned having completed a 90 minute Symphony No. 10 but his hour long No. 9 has never been premiered either. Very few of Karlsen's orchestral works have been performed professionally. I would also love Derek Bourgeois's music to get performed and released but same issue.
There are enough symphonies that have been recorded to last me 20 lifetimes.
Quote from: relm1 on January 17, 2022, 05:56:40 AM
I'm pretty happy with my go to set of the general repertoire symphonies, but like the others, am always hearing of new and intriguing works by lesser-known composers or young composers that I sort of learn about after the fact. I definitely do have some things I want to hear that for some reason seem completely unavailable though, like I don't think Popov's Symphony No. 4 has ever been recorded (to the best of my knowledge). There are also some composers I greatly admire and follow that are sadly neglected that are definitely on my want list. Norwegian's Kjell Mørk Karlsen and Ragnar Søderlind who don't seem to get any national support due to their traditional styles though I've followed them for years and find them excellent though neglected. Their music isn't even played let alone recorded. Søderlind mentioned having completed a 90 minute Symphony No. 10 but his hour long No. 9 has never been premiered either. Very few of Karlsen's orchestral works have been performed professionally. I would also love Derek Bourgeois's music to get performed and released but same issue.
Soderlind's No.8 'In Memoriam Jean Sibelius' is a wonderful score and I would love to see that released on CD.
There's a few cycles I'd like to complete at some point.
Lajtha (currently have 2, 5, 6, 8 & 9)
Pettersson (2, 5-7, 11)
Moyzes (1-2, 11-12)
Having recently picked up the Wellesz symphonies there are further CPO box sets I wouldn't mind picking up too.
Symphonies to be recorded? or also completed cycles? Also new cycles.
By symphonies I need this list complete (hopefully):
Bentzon
Egge
Eklund
Eshpai
Eller
Glass, Louis
Hovhaness
Kielland
Kinsella
Koch, Erland
Mosolov
Novák, Vitezslav
Popov
Röntgen
Rosenberg
Soderlind
Tarp, Svend-Erik
My life would be more happy were these cycles recorded in their entirely!
And also a new recording from DaCapo of any other Langgaard symphony. Their CD including Syms. 2 and 6 + a fragment from the 14th was a hit, it impressed me so much.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 17, 2022, 03:38:44 PM
Hovhaness
Eh, do you really think the ones that haven't been recorded yet sound much different from the ones that have? ;)
And yeah, I really wish CPO would complete their Louis Glass cycle - the second and most recent release was from 2017. There is of course the complete cycle from Danacord, but the performances are downright poor....
Quote from: kyjo on January 17, 2022, 04:42:48 PM
Eh, do you really think the ones that haven't been recorded yet sound much different from the ones that have? ;)
Bingo! You've heard one Hovhaness symphony, you've heard them all. :)
Quote from: kyjo on January 17, 2022, 04:42:48 PM
Eh, do you really think the ones that haven't been recorded yet sound much different from the ones that have? ;)
And yeah, I really wish CPO would complete their Louis Glass cycle - the second and most recent release was from 2017. There is of course the complete cycle from Danacord, but the performances are downright poor....
That's one of the points to keep into account when a composer is
too prolific: much of his/her output is not really mandatory listen.
There are some of them I rank considerably high, though: Nos. 1, 2, 6, 22, 25, 46, 50 and 60.
And, fortunately, they're significantly different each other! ;)
I have two wishes.
That cpo complete the Henk Badings cycle which stalled out after 3 volumes.
That a resputable label complete a cycle of Bacewicz symphonies.
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on January 17, 2022, 07:23:23 PM
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There are some of them I rank considerably high, though: Nos. 1, 2, 6, 22, 25, 46, 50 and 60.
And, fortunately, they're significantly different each other! ;)
Indeed, Hovhaness symphonies can be very varying, in expression, instrumentation (obviously) and structure.
Nos.24 'Majnun' (with vocal parts and in 9 movements) and 9 'St. Vartan' (in 24 movements) are among my favourites.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 17, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
Bingo! You've heard one Hovhaness symphony, you've heard them all. :)
This was my experience. Although after hearing the Wellesz symphonies, where they typically come in large blocks of Brucknerian non-contrapuntal sound, the thought did cross my mind to try one again.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 17, 2022, 05:46:40 PMBingo! You've heard one Hovhaness symphony, you've heard them all. :)
There's truth to this, but the peaks – 2, 19, 22, 47 for me so far – are worth the patience it takes to scale at least part of his oeuvre IMO.
Quote from: Mirror Image on January 17, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
Bingo! You've heard one Hovhaness symphony, you've heard them all. :)
Sort of like the symphonic complement to Vivaldi concertos.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on January 17, 2022, 07:32:12 PM
I have two wishes.
That cpo complete the Head Badings cycle which stalled out after 3 volumes.
That a resputable label complete a cycle of Bacewicz symphonies.
+1
Quote from: MusicTurner on January 17, 2022, 11:28:14 PM
Nos.24 'Majnun' (with vocal parts and in 9 movements) and 9 'St. Vartan' (in 24 movements) are among my favourites.
This is a fascinating piece of (intentional?) symmetry.
Do you guys want a complete cycle of Leif Segerstam's Symphonies? I just listened to a disc of 81, 162, and 181 and quite liked them. I have no doubt this list is incomplete:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonies_by_Leif_Segerstam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonies_by_Leif_Segerstam)
Quote from: relm1 on January 18, 2022, 05:54:06 AM
Do you guys want a complete cycle of Leif Segerstam's Symphonies? I just listened to a disc of 81, 162, and 181 and quite liked them. I have no doubt this list is incomplete:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonies_by_Leif_Segerstam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonies_by_Leif_Segerstam)
Almost 350! Are they published, or do you have to call Segerstam up and ask him to hunt for them, scribbled on napkins stuck between his couch cushions?
I want a complete Mozart cycle which is not Bohm, Marriner, Jeffrey Tate, Hogwood or Pinnock. Any suggestions? :D
Adám Fischer is the only other option I know of offhand (although I assume at very least Naxos has its own, probably multi-conductor, integral).
Quote from: amw on January 18, 2022, 10:22:09 AM
Adám Fischer is the only other option I know of offhand (although I assume at very least Naxos has its own, probably multi-conductor, integral).
Thanks. There is also this:
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Norichika Iimori, Yamagata Symphony Orchestra
Never heard about him nor about them.
There is also Levine/Vienna/DG, Hans Graf/Mozarteum (Capriccio/Delta, if findable at all, should be cheap), both from the late 1980s, and a mixed Harnoncourt (1-27 Concentus Musicus on RCA/Sony, 25,28-41 with Concertgebouw on Teldec/warner). Was Mackerras/Telarc complete? Not sure. The oldest is Leinsdorf (orig. Westminster, partially mono, on CD by DG)
Never heard of the Japanese one.
Quote from: Florestan on January 18, 2022, 10:29:24 AM
Thanks. There is also this:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiSGIbiJzX2ot7Q3BDAhn3POpYYNqOFiMnOs23Uni2ecbWuFfv4LK8FZgPzFqk0bj4suF3cgBQRvOmauA7CReVL3Oi4iA309IY7_asa7qC6qG1PUv6kOIn8gn9j1jIAyAF1NcSDVVAMy6gB2SKR2LFT6-Z-AL0Hugz84buuuvMpVGzSu352QkvNO4Op6A=s320)
Norichika Iimori, Yamagata Symphony Orchestra
Iimori has done some decent Haydn, as far as I can recall. Sort of Mackerras-ish.
Quote from: Jo498 on January 18, 2022, 10:36:03 AM
There is also Levine/Vienna/DG, Hans Graf/Mozarteum (Capriccio/Delta, if findable at all, should be cheap), both from the late 1980s, and a mixed Harnoncourt (1-27 Concentus Musicus on RCA/Sony, 25,28-41 with Concertgebouw on Teldec/warner). Was Mackerras/Telarc complete? Not sure. The oldest is Leinsdorf (orig. Westminster, partially mono, on CD by DG)
Never heard of the Japanese one.
Ooops, I forgot that I also have Mackerras. Thanks for the other tips.
It's pretty interesting how the CD boom motivated labels to get all the Mozart symphonies out on CD in time for the 1991 anniversary. Philips mostly relied on its older (Marriner, Krips) recordings for the complete Mozart edition and I think the Hogwood was already begun in the late 1970s, maybe independently of the anniversary (as it had the then USP of old instruments). But Tate/EMI, Graf/Capriccio, Levine/DG, Pinnock/Archiv and Mackerras/Telarc were all done at that time.
In the LP age before there was, I believe, only Leinsdorf (not well distributed and probably mostly oop in the 70s/80s), Böhm (probably the best known) and Marriner/Krips (Marriner completed his own in the 80s)
It's a pity that Capriccio could not get Sandor Vegh to record most of the symphonies. He did a lot of serenades and divertimenti. Graf is good in the symphonies I have heard but far from the special way Vegh has in his best recordings.
Quote from: Jo498 on January 18, 2022, 11:16:40 AM
It's a pity that Capriccio could not get Sandor Vegh to record most of the symphonies. He did a lot of serenades and divertimenti.
For the life of me I can't understand why he didn't record my favorite of them all, the
Posthorn. :o
Otherwise that incomplete yet bulky cycle is fabulous.
Quote from: Florestan on January 18, 2022, 09:53:15 AM
I want a complete Mozart cycle which is not Bohm, Marriner, Jeffrey Tate, Hogwood or Pinnock. Any suggestions? :D
As amw suggests, Adam Fischer's cycle with the Danish National Chamber Orchestra is superb. Relatively HIP in style (with prominent, crisp timpani) but on modern instruments and not devoid of vibrato.
Quote from: Florestan on January 18, 2022, 11:19:44 AM
For the life of me I can't understand why he didn't record my favorite of them all, the Posthorn. :o
Otherwise that incomplete yet bulky cycle is fabulous.
The google machine tells me he recorded the Posthorn for Philips.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51LF7rDIPCL.jpg)
How did this get to Mozart serenades?
Symphony series I'd like to see completed: Guarnieri, Santoro (I see that Naxos has recorded 2 more), and Diamond. Oh, and more Rosenberg than just 3 & 6.
Quote from: Florestan on January 18, 2022, 10:29:24 AM
Thanks. There is also this:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiSGIbiJzX2ot7Q3BDAhn3POpYYNqOFiMnOs23Uni2ecbWuFfv4LK8FZgPzFqk0bj4suF3cgBQRvOmauA7CReVL3Oi4iA309IY7_asa7qC6qG1PUv6kOIn8gn9j1jIAyAF1NcSDVVAMy6gB2SKR2LFT6-Z-AL0Hugz84buuuvMpVGzSu352QkvNO4Op6A=s320)
Norichika Iimori, Yamagata Symphony Orchestra
Never heard about him nor about them.
Jfyi.
http://iimori-norichika.com/
Quote from: Daverz on January 18, 2022, 02:53:47 PM
The google machine tells me he recorded the Posthorn for Philips.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51LF7rDIPCL.jpg)
How did this get to Mozart serenades?
I have the Capriccio set:
(https://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201607/31/04/c0257904_11183765.jpg)
and it doesn't have it.
Many thanks for the tip, though.
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on January 18, 2022, 03:03:13 PM
Jfyi.
http://iimori-norichika.com/
Thanks. Now I'll have to learn Japanese. :D
Quote from: kyjo on January 18, 2022, 02:49:36 PM
As amw suggests, Adam Fischer's cycle with the Danish National Chamber Orchestra is superb. Relatively HIP in style (with prominent, crisp timpani) but on modern instruments and not devoid of vibrato.
Those recordings are nice, but a big irritation is that they did not include Symphony No 32 (KV318), presumably because they did not consider it a symphony (it is a single movement work in 3 distinct sections). It is one of my favorite works from that part of Mozart's career.