There are some famous incompleted sonata cycles by pianists who died too soon (Gilels, Solomon, Hungerford, and likely Gieseking) but there are a couple of present day cycles that do not appear to be on track for completion. One is James Brawn who is up to 6 volumes but has not released anything further for three years, and the other is Igor Tchetuev, who also released 6 volumes on Caro Mitis but nothing else for years. I especially like the Tchetuev set and wonder what happened to this guy. Does anyone know if he is still alive and active? Even if Caro Mitis ( Russian label) folded I would think he would complete his cycle. After all, Jonathan Biss went through three different labels before finishing his cycle. Can anyone help?
Some quick research seems to indicate that the Russian Caro Mitis label, which did Tchetuev's first 6 volumes, hasn't released any new CDs since 2013 ...
He also has a personal site (?), tchetuev.com
Last concerts in the calendar section are from October 2014. But he performed in Eastbourne in 2020, Tchaikovsky concerto/LPO, and from late 2021 he has been a professor in Lausanne.
Thanks. It sure looks like he is still active, though no recordings for years. I thought the Caro Mitis performances were wonderful in absolutely spectacular sound
(Dutch engineers recorded in Russia). I also enjoyed the James Brawn series too (MSR) but zilch out of him for quite sometime. For now I'm enjoying Schnabel from 1932 on Musical Concepts--very fine--kinda like the great Earl Hines jazz pianist, he of the sloppy runs!)
Cannot comment on any of the more recent/ongoing cycles but my favorite partial LvB sonata cycle (about 18 sonatas) is Bruno Leonardo Gelber's on Denon as I probably proclaimed in every other Beethoven sonata thread here...
Quote from: Oldnslow on February 03, 2022, 12:52:15 PM
and the other is Igor Tchetuev, who also released 6 volumes on Caro Mitis but nothing else for years. I especially like the Tchetuev set and wonder what happened to this guy. Does anyone know if he is still alive and active? Even if Caro Mitis ( Russian label) folded I would think he would complete his cycle.
Because of interest in the label and its high standards I stumbled upon these Beethoven recordings by Tchetuev, and was - like you - highly impressed! Would be nice if these would resurface and the cycle would be finished.
Of the partial cycles there are ones that people would most definitely like to have seen completed and some have been mentioned above.
Richter played and recorded 22 of them. He kept a note of all his concerts and there is no record of him playing any of the missing ten at any time. Of course, Richter being Richter, we were never going to get them were we? He probably didn't like them enough to try them.
The most tragic of the uncompleted cycles is that of the above mentioned Bruce Hungerford. He recorded 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 24, 25, 30, 31 and 32 (22 of them like Richter). Of all the incomplete cycles this is the most tragic IMO. What he has recorded i the above list are all universally excellent and if he had completed them I suspect that this would have been rated as one of the greatest (if not the greatest) cycles of all time. On the day of his death in a tragic car accident in New York, when friends and relatives went back to his apartment, sitting on the sheet music stand at his piano was the Hammerklavier.
Very sad indeed about Hungerford. Solomon was the other set I would most liked to have seen completed
Quote from: Holden on February 04, 2022, 06:43:33 PM
Richter played and recorded 22 of them. He kept a note of all his concerts and there is no record of him playing any of the missing ten at any time. Of course, Richter being Richter, we were never going to get them were we? He probably didn't like them enough to try them.
Yes, Richter just didn't play some pieces, therefore I don't really count his Beethoven sonatas as "incomplete cycle". Technically true, it was never intended to be complete and the incompleteness was not due to illness, death or bad sales.
Quote from: Oldnslow on February 04, 2022, 07:12:09 PM
Solomon was the other set I would most liked to have seen completed
Yes!
And Paul Komen (Globe). But for him it is not too late to redo an entire cycle.
Muriel Chemin's cycle was never completed, and Letizia Michielon may or may not finish hers.
Angela Hewitt has completed her cycle, despite the untimely death of her favorite Piano.
Do like Joyce Hatto: if you can't finish your cycle let your husband do it with his magic sound marker >:D ;)
And why stop at Beethoven? There are so many composers you can "un-finish".
Quote from: Oldnslow on February 04, 2022, 07:12:09 PM
Very sad indeed about Hungerford. Solomon was the other set I would most liked to have seen completed
+1
I should revisit Solomon in the Hammerklavier, it has been way too long and I can't remember anything about it.
Rudolf Serkin would have been my wish to have a completed cycle.
to be honest, I found the recordings by Serkin collected in that "white" Sony box mostly lackluster, once he goes beyond the ones had recorded several times, beginning in the 1940s (such as op.13 which is great, op.57, the four last ones and maybe Waldstein and Les Adieux). It doesn't help that for the abandoned? idea to record the lot around in the late 1960s he recorded mostly sonatas I don't much care about anyway but they aren't "saved" by Serkin. Nevertheless, it would be nice to have some he didn't record, such as op.2/3 or the "Tempest" or several others because when Serkin is "on" as in his better recordings, he is a formidable Beethoven player.
Quote from: Jo498 on February 20, 2022, 12:47:36 AM
to be honest, I found the recordings by Serkin collected in that "white" Sony box mostly lackluster, once he goes beyond the ones had recorded several times, beginning in the 1940s (such as op.13 which is great, op.57, the four last ones and maybe Waldstein and Les Adieux). It doesn't help that for the abandoned? idea to record the lot around in the late 1960s he recorded mostly sonatas I don't much care about anyway but they aren't "saved" by Serkin. Nevertheless, it would be nice to have some he didn't record, such as op.2/3 or the "Tempest" or several others because when Serkin is "on" as in his better recordings, he is a formidable Beethoven player.
If you mean his playing, then he is in line with other highly regarded pianists like Annie Fischer; in that they are just on the cusp of being capable of playing them at a high level but (for me) more often saved by their interpretations which keep them among my favorites. I don't have the white box, the one noteworthy sonata that might be missing from it is his 1960 recording of op. 110, this is one of my real highlights from him.
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His 1950s recording of the Waldstein is also one of my favorites for it.
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This is the best Beethoven by Serkin that I've heard and the Waldstein in this set is in my top 3 performances
I was recently thinking about Alexei Lubimov and it seemed to me that he had made quite a few sonata recordings, spread across many years and many labels, so I decided to tally them up out of curiosity. Turns out he has released 19 individual sonata recordings, but of only 12 different sonatas. He has made four recordings of the Moonlight, for example. And there are a few other repeats. These are the sonatas he has recorded, and the labels they have appeared on.
1 - Moscow Conservatory
5 - Moscow Conservatory
6 - Moscow Conservatory
7 - Moscow Conservatory
8 - Moscow Conservatory / Erato
14 - Moscow Conservatory / Chopin Institute / Alpha / Erato
17 - Alpha
19 - Moscow Conservatory
21 - Moscow Conservatory / Alpha / Erato
30 - Moscow Conservatory / Zig Zag
31 - Zig Zag
32 - Zig Zag
The 1960 op.110 is in the white box (the only sonata included twice).
I had and got rid of the M&A 2-CD-set because I found them in mediocre sound and not that much better (although probably both op.13 and 53 are a bit better than the later stereo) to keep around.
As I said, Serkin is good in a bunch of them (although I probably never like him as much as some others here) but rather lackluster/pedestrian in others, so it's hard to tell if a complete set would have included enough of the former to be worth it.
Just re-listened to Hungerford's recordings on the Piano Classics set. Just wonderful and I agree if he had completed the set he would be in the top tier IMHO
For consideration in this thread:
I don't suppose no list of "incomplete cycles" could really be complete (unless it listed every recording of what... any two sonatas? ever made?), but this is an attempt:
Beethoven Sonatas - A Survey of Complete Cycles
The Great Incomplete Cycles
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https://ionarts.blogspot.com/2015/07/beethoven-sonatas-survey-of-complete.html (https://ionarts.blogspot.com/2015/07/beethoven-sonatas-survey-of-complete.html)
Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on December 10, 2022, 03:33:36 PMI don't suppose no list of "incomplete cycles" could really be complete (unless it listed every recording of what... any two sonatas? ever made?), but this is an attempt:
I'd set the threshold at 16 sonatas.
Incidentally, the upcoming complete Gieseking edition should have newly remastered versions of all the LvB sonatas for EMI. Combined with the radio set, and it's nearly complete.
Quote from: Todd on December 10, 2022, 03:44:09 PMI'd set the threshold at 16 sonatas.
You're more generous than I was, taking 9 as the cut-off.
Quote from: Todd on December 10, 2022, 03:44:09 PMIncidentally, the upcoming complete Gieseking edition should have newly remastered versions of all the LvB sonatas for EMI. Combined with the radio set, and it's nearly complete.
Uh! Juicy news!
Pianists I wish did a whole cycle:
Ivan Moravec
Rudolf Serkin
Quote from: George on September 12, 2023, 07:30:30 AMPianists I wish did a whole cycle:
Ivan Moravec
Rudolf Serkin
I agree with that. The problem with wish lists is that they can grow and grow. I mean, what about Lamond, Richter, Cortot (who purportedly did complete a cycle), Kempff's pre-war near-cycle, Foldes, Gelber, etc.
And then there are all those slacker pianists of today who should but have not yet recorded cycles . . .
Quote from: George on September 12, 2023, 07:30:30 AMPianists I wish did a whole cycle:
Ivan Moravec
Rudolf Serkin
Let me add
Paul Koomen
Solomon
Bruce Hungerford
Jörg Demus
Emil Gilels
Quote from: Todd on September 12, 2023, 07:47:26 AMI agree with that. The problem with wish lists is that they can grow and grow. I mean, what about Lamond, Richter, Cortot (who purportedly did complete a cycle), Kempff's pre-war near-cycle, Foldes, Gelber, etc.
Sure, I was just naming the two that were at the top of my list. Richter (in his prime years) would be right up there too. If I could only pick one though, it would surely be Moravec.
Quote from: George on September 12, 2023, 08:00:42 AMSure, I was just naming the two that were at the top of my list. Richter (in his prime years) would be right up there too. If I could only pick one though, it would surely be Moravec.
A tough call on that, but I'd probably go Richter. At least today.