Recommend your country's "classical music" most important heritage and contribution by way of one and only one conductor, orchestra, work and recording.
My choice hands down:
https://www.youtube.com/v/fwxuMDxT9Dw
Your turn.
This is too hard for the Americans.... but since we had a pretty diverse number of styles among our composers, I went for something explicitly polystylistic...
https://youtu.be/8FNPsnCZQj0
Quote from: fbjim on July 09, 2022, 10:31:07 AM
This is too hard for the Americans.... but since we had a pretty diverse number of styles among our composers, I went for something explicitly polystylistic...
https://youtu.be/8FNPsnCZQj0
Well, what I mean is --- conductor/performer, orchestra, work and recording, all of them from your own country. Hamelin is Canadian, so please try again. ;D
Oh, I didn't realize this was limited to orchestral works.
Well, in that case, Bernstein/NYP Ives Symphony No. 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ3CLtzjjuY
I remember the allegations that Ives "touched up" his music later to make it more dissonant from some biography in order to make it sound "more visionary" or something. Whether or not that's true, allowing for some license, it only adds to the Americana of this for me. We love a bit of self-mythology and self-invention in the name of entertainment, after all (and who cares anyway when the end product is as great as this)
Quote from: fbjim on July 09, 2022, 10:42:37 AM
Oh, I didn't realize this was limited to orchestral works.
Oh, not only orchestral really... whatever you want , orchestral, chamber, solo piano, songs --- the only condition is that the composer, the conductor/performers and the orchestra (if applicable) be of the same nation.
Vaughan Williams: Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (LPO, Boult). The Tallis Fantasia is both ancient and modern and is quintessentially English (or British, as VW was of partly Welsh background). This was Boult's last word on the subject in one of his final recordings I think.
I'm going to go with Ives' Concord Sonata:
https://youtu.be/ZxQbCSOr3SM (https://youtu.be/ZxQbCSOr3SM)
It represents great figures from our past, and fuses original music with quotations from Beethoven. It can be beautiful, profound, silly, inspiring... and I find it to be totally American. :)
The Ives Second Symphony from Bernstein is a great choice (Dallas/Litton is also all-American). Here's an alternative: "Harlem," by Duke Ellington, available in performances either by his orchestra (possibly not permitted in the "classical" purview) and by the Buffalo Philharmonic under JoAnn Falletta (definitely classical enough!).
Most of Spanish music that is internationally appreciated has a bias towards the Andalusian (to the detriment of other regions of this diverse country), and the work I chose is no exception —even if it has one movement dedicated to the capital—.
Here it is:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41e8zOUu75L._SY300_SX300_QL70_ML2_.jpg)
The great, prematurely deceased Rafael Orozco (a native of Córdoba) plays that monument of Spanish music (and of the universal piano repertoire) that is Isaac Albéniz's (a native of Catalonia) Iberia.
I imagine many saw that coming.... ;)
(N.B.: the label is French, but I hope that doesn't contravene the thread's rules).
Quote from: DavidW on July 09, 2022, 11:03:23 AM
I'm going to go with Ives' Concord Sonata:
https://youtu.be/ZxQbCSOr3SM (https://youtu.be/ZxQbCSOr3SM)
It represents great figures from our past, and fuses original music with quotations from Beethoven. It can be beautiful, profound, silly, inspiring... and I find it to be totally American. :)
Nice choice!
Quote from: ritter on July 09, 2022, 11:10:17 AM
Most of Spanish music that is internationally appreciated has a bias towards the Andalusian (to the detriment of other regions of this diverse country), and the work I chose is no exception —even if it has one movement dedicated to the capital—.
Here it is:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41e8zOUu75L._SY300_SX300_QL70_ML2_.jpg)
The great, prematurely deceased Rafael Orozco (a native of Córdoba) plays that monument of Spanish music (and of the universal piano repertoire) that is Isaac Albéniz's (a native of Catalonia) Iberia.
I imagine many saw that coming.... ;)
(N.B.: the label is French, but I hope that doesn't contravene the thread's rules).
Sweet!
Giuseppe Verdi: Otello (Muti/Orchestra del Teatro alla Scala).
https://www.youtube.com/v/zIVFSW25h1o
Verdi at his highest level of musical evolution: although the traditional closed forms are used as usual, they are less and less recognizable and largely replaced by a continuous flowing, with the musical texture appearing to constantly evolve.
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on July 09, 2022, 11:15:24 AM
Giuseppe Verdi: Otello (Muti/Orchestra del Teatro alla Scala).
https://www.youtube.com/v/zIVFSW25h1o
Verdi at his highest level of musical evolution: although the traditional closed forms are used as usual, they are less and less recognizable and largely replaced by a continuous flowing, with the musical texture appearing to constantly evolve.
Nice! And even based on a Shakespeare play set in Italy!
Quote from: ritter on July 09, 2022, 11:10:17 AM
Most of Spanish music that is internationally appreciated has a bias towards the Andalusian (to the detriment of other regions of this diverse country), and the work I chose is no exception —even if it has one movement dedicated to the capital—.
Here it is:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41e8zOUu75L._SY300_SX300_QL70_ML2_.jpg)
The great, prematurely deceased Rafael Orozco (a native of Córdoba) plays that monument of Spanish music (and of the universal piano repertoire) that is Isaac Albéniz's (a native of Catalonia) Iberia.
I imagine many saw that coming.... ;)
I certainly did with respect to
Iberia. Only the specific performance was in doubt.
Quote(N.B.: the label is French, but I hope that doesn't contravene the thread's rules).
No, it doesn't. I mean, composer, performer(s) and work only. Labels don't count.
Quote from: Lisztianwagner on July 09, 2022, 11:15:24 AM
Giuseppe Verdi: Otello (Muti/Orchestra del Teatro alla Scala).
https://www.youtube.com/v/zIVFSW25h1o
Verdi at his highest level of musical evolution: although the traditional closed forms are used as usual, they are less and less recognizable and largely replaced by a continuous flowing, with the musical texture appearing to constantly evolve.
Great!
Another one from the US:
Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
First choice, the original jazz band version:
Lincoln Mayorga, Al Gallodoro, Harmonie Ensemble / New York and Steven Richman (all Americans)
Or if that is not classical enough, then the one by Bernstein and NYPO
Quote from: San Antone on July 09, 2022, 11:24:36 AM
Another one from the US:
Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
First choice, the original jazz band version:
Lincoln Mayorga, Al Gallodoro, Harmonie Ensemble / New York and Steven Richman (all Americans)
Or if that is not classical enough, then the one by Bernstein and NYPO
Nice, too!
Quote from: San Antone on July 09, 2022, 11:24:36 AM
Another one from the US:
Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
First choice, the original jazz band version:
Lincoln Mayorga, Al Gallodoro, Harmonie Ensemble / New York and Steven Richman (all Americans)
Or if that is not classical enough, then the one by Bernstein and NYPO
Both of them classical enough for me and welcome. ;)
Quote from: San Antone on July 09, 2022, 11:24:36 AM
Another one from the US:
Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
First choice, the original jazz band version:
Lincoln Mayorga, Al Gallodoro, Harmonie Ensemble / New York and Steven Richman (all Americans)
Or if that is not classical enough, then the one by Bernstein and NYPO
The both versions are great.
The most Danish music (and recording) I can think of is Carl Nielsen's third symphony recorded by The Danish State Radio Symphony orchestra conducted by John Frandsen recorded 1955.
Quote from: (: premont :) on July 09, 2022, 02:04:23 PM
The most Danish music (and recording) I can think of is Carl Nielsen's third symphony recorded by The Danish State Radio Symphony orchestra conducted by John Frandsen recorded 1955.
Superb!
This recording came immediately to mind:
(https://is5-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Features124/v4/66/d1/29/66d129f1-057b-be96-1c5f-e2df67aebc2b/contsched.wdvflwon.jpg/600x600bb.jpg)
The autumn airiness of Appalachian Spring to the wide-open soundscape of Billy the Kid. I realize that as vast of a country the US is that it can't be contained in one recording, but this Copland Bernstein recording comes close.
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 09, 2022, 07:44:14 PM
This recording came immediately to mind:
(https://is5-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Features124/v4/66/d1/29/66d129f1-057b-be96-1c5f-e2df67aebc2b/contsched.wdvflwon.jpg/600x600bb.jpg)
The autumn airiness of Appalachian Spring to the wide-open soundscape of Billy the Kid. I realize that as vast of a country the US is that it can't be contained in one recording, but this Copland Bernstein recording comes close.
Nice choice John. With the USA one thinks (or I do at least!) of the wide open spaces but also the big cities as well (I'm not American but I'd choose Copland as well, maybe Symphony No.3 or Roy Harris's 3rd Symphony). Unlike the USA Britain never came to terms with being the first industrial nation following the Industrial Revolution - that's why the spiritual/cultural values which are seen to be English (perhaps rather than British) are all connected with the rural landscape (think of all those VW and Elgar LP and CD covers!) and the village green, cricket matches etc. This in not my original idea but decades ago I read a very interesting book about it, which explained why, by the late19th Century Britain lagged behind the emerging industrial powers (Germany, USA etc).
(//)
Here's another recording I would choose (both works) - the Tallis Fantasia in a different recording by Boult.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61yWDSYI3VL._AC_.jpg)
no words necessary.......
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 09, 2022, 10:56:42 PM
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61yWDSYI3VL._AC_.jpg)
no words necessary.......
Indeed! :)
Another rural scene ;D
Quote from: vandermolen on July 09, 2022, 10:55:18 AM
Vaughan Williams: Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis (LPO, Boult). The Tallis Fantasia is both ancient and modern and is quintessentially English (or British, as VW was of partly Welsh background). This was Boult's last word on the subject in one of his final recordings I think.
Same work, different recording - Sinfonia of London conducted by the quintessentially French-Italian cockney, Sir John Barbirolli
The Ives and Copland above are good choices for USA. However, I am going to select Elliott Carter's first string quartet as performed by the Composers Quartet.
Toru Takemitsu: In an Autumn Garden.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/516P+nnnuEL.jpg)
Quote from: vandermolen on July 09, 2022, 09:40:59 PM
Nice choice John. With the USA one thinks (or I do at least!) of the wide open spaces but also the big cities as well (I'm not American but I'd choose Copland as well, maybe Symphony No.3 or Roy Harris's 3rd Symphony). Unlike the USA Britain never came to terms with being the first industrial nation following the Industrial Revolution - that's why the spiritual/cultural values which are seen to be English (perhaps rather than British) are all connected with the rural landscape (think of all those VW and Elgar LP and CD covers!) and the village green, cricket matches etc. This in not my original idea but decades ago I read a very interesting book about it, which explained why, by the late19th Century Britain lagged behind the emerging industrial powers (Germany, USA etc).
(//)
Here's another recording I would choose (both works) - the Tallis Fantasia in a different recording by Boult.
Thanks, Jeffrey. Good choice with RVW. It's difficult making a choice, because there are so many composers from each of our representative countries to choose from.
Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on July 10, 2022, 04:41:53 AM
The Ives and Copland above are good choices for USA. However, I am going to select Elliott Carter's first string quartet as performed by the Composers Quartet.
Outstanding selection with Elliott Carter's first string quartet, I have it with Pacifica Quartet as well which would satisfy this thread requirement.
My first choice was some of Morton Feldman's works I'd consider among the pinnacle of American art, but my favorite performances or even ones I could find on Youtube are performed by mostly European and one Japanese musician.
I was born in Wales, so if I can use that my choice would be Barbirolli with Hallé in RVW's second symphony: https://youtu.be/4OYmeuNELs0
I'm not sure if I'll ever "get" Ives, and I've come to live with that.
Quote from: hvbias on July 10, 2022, 02:16:41 PM
Outstanding selection with Elliott Carter's first string quartet, I have it with Pacifica Quartet as well which would satisfy this thread requirement.
My first choice was some of Morton Feldman's works I'd consider among the pinnacle of American art, but my favorite performances or even ones I could find on Youtube are performed by mostly European and one Japanese musician.
I was born in Wales, so if I can use that my choice would be Barbirolli with Hallé in RVW's second symphony: https://youtu.be/4OYmeuNELs0
I'm not sure if I'll ever "get" Ives, and I've come to live with that.
Thanks. The Pacifica is extremely good (I heard them do all five in Carter's presence at Columbia University some 10 years ago. Carter was his typically crusty self; when all the well-wishers clamored for autographs - moi aussi, EC replied with, "I shouldn't be writing my name so much, I should be writing music.") I could have just as well chosen Carter's Concerto for Orchestra, which I consider one of his greatest works. But my preferred performance of that one is Oliver Knussen's, over Bernstein's recording from the premiere.
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on July 10, 2022, 05:53:16 AM
Toru Takemitsu: In an Autumn Garden.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/516P+nnnuEL.jpg)
Hmmm...I thought you didn't like Takemitsu, Manabu? :-\
I'm afraid I must offer a rather different vision of Britain from the pastoral and imperial glories (2 of my favourite pieces, BTW) mentioned above:
(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_250/MI0000/961/MI0000961635.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
For American, my vote is on Bernstein's West Side Story. Yes, yes, lots of latin music but that's part of the point...it's a fusion of influences, it's brash, youthful and the combination is very American. Best quick example is the symphonic dances here by Dudamel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_NelA3ZW4g
Quote from: relm1 on July 11, 2022, 05:36:19 AM
For American, my vote is on Bernstein's West Side Story. Yes, yes, lots of latin music but that's part of the point...it's a fusion of influences, it's brash, youthful and the combination is very American. Best quick example is the symphonic dances here by Dudamel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_NelA3ZW4g
Excellent choice for USA.
Quote from: DaveF on July 11, 2022, 03:54:01 AM
I'm afraid I must offer a rather different vision of Britain from the pastoral and imperial glories (2 of my favourite pieces, BTW) mentioned above:
(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_250/MI0000/961/MI0000961635.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)
Assuming by "imperial glories" you are referencing Elgar 2 above....... that is to misunderstand Elgar 2 and fall into the perennial trap of equating Elgar with Empire......
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 10, 2022, 08:14:46 PM
Hmmm...I thought you didn't like Takemitsu, Manabu? :-\
You're right John. Not a big fan of Takemitsu and I like only few J composers.
Maybe would you possibly post a vg album/composer for Japan for me?
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on July 11, 2022, 06:08:07 AM
You're right John. Not a big fan of Takemitsu and I like only few J composers.
Maybe would you possibly post a vg album/composer for Japan for me?
Sure, I'll post an album on your behalf. ;)
I believe Ogawa's
Symphony, "The Castle of Japan" to be a great musical representation of Japan. It captures a certain spirit with its fantastic hybrid of Japanese traditional and European instruments.
(https://i.discogs.com/TXJlQOzUOK9QUY7G06LOXRLIl6dGtA7B12nJvYw6ERE/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:559/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE0MTU2/ODQ0LTE1Njg4OTkz/NTYtODU1MS5qcGVn.jpeg)
Although I'm an American I've lived in Germany 40 years and feel confident about choosing for my adopted country: Beethoven Ninth, Wand conducting the NDR SO.
Sarge
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 11, 2022, 06:28:09 AM
Sure, I'll post an album on your behalf. ;)
I believe Ogawa's Symphony, "The Castle of Japan" to be a great musical representation of Japan. It captures a certain spirit with its fantastic hybrid of Japanese traditional and European instruments.
(https://i.discogs.com/TXJlQOzUOK9QUY7G06LOXRLIl6dGtA7B12nJvYw6ERE/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:559/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE0MTU2/ODQ0LTE1Njg4OTkz/NTYtODU1MS5qcGVn.jpeg)
Good choice and nice music. I like Akutagawa and Dan Ikuma as well but they are very European mode.
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 11, 2022, 05:58:23 AM
Assuming by "imperial glories" you are referencing Elgar 2 above....... that is to misunderstand Elgar 2 and fall into the perennial trap of equating Elgar with Empire......
You're quite right, of course, and it was lazy of me to reach for such a glib phrase. It would be bad enough if I really did put the Second Symphony on the same level as
Pomp and Circumstance, but since I've known it for 40 years (mainly in your recommended Handley version) and played in a performance of it, I should really have done better. Perhaps the fascination of Elgar 2 is that it tries to strut the Imperial stuff, but is constantly being pulled in much darker directions by neuroses, nostalgia and sheer terror. All good solid English virtues!
This thread has reminded me how much I love Rubbra's 3rd under Hickox, with the BBC NOoW. In order for this to fit here, then the definition probably needs to be the UK rather than England. Or Britain. Or Great Britain, even. Or Majestic Colonial Overlords. Or something.
Anyway, this. I am too hot today 😒🌞🌞
Rubbra 3. Possibly in my top 3 of all English symphonies.
Andrei's question proves to be quite difficult . Belgium doesn't have a composer of Enescu's stature - let alone a Dvorak, Debussy or Bartok.
Peter Benoit was an important figure but he wrote little symphonic music of substance....Moreover our country is (still) divided, bi-lingual and torn between German and French cultural influences. Who shall I choose? And why? Should I go for "folklorism" or a broader more "international" expression?
Flemish dances by Jan Blockx or a Brueghel symphony by Sternefeld? Joseph Jongen or André Souris? Fernand Quinet or Pierre Bartholomée?
Here's Arthur Meulemans third symphony , the "Dennen symfonie" , symphony of the fir trees. Actually it is a portrait of the city of Aarschot and its surroundings. Meulemans was born in Aarschot and mixes in this work influences ranging from Debussy, Ravel and Respighi.
It will do for a warm summer evening ...
I wish I could offer a version with conductor Daniel Sternefeld, but that doesn't exist. Sternefeld (and Franz André) worked for Belgian Radio and created many works by both Flemish and Walloon composers.
https://www.youtube.com/v/xk2ALXiAmCM
Quote from: pjme on July 11, 2022, 10:35:24 AM
Andrei's question proves to be quite difficult . Belgium doesn't have a composer of Enescu's stature - let alone a Dvorak, Debussy or Bartok.
Peter Benoit was an important figure but he wrote little symphonic music of substance....Moreover our country is (still) divided, bi-lingual and torn between German and French cultural influences. Who shall I choose? And why? Should I go for "folklorism" or a broader more "international" expression?
Flemish dances by Jan Blockx or a Brueghel symphony by Sternefeld? Joseph Jongen or André Souris? Fernand Quinet or Pierre Bartholomée?
Here's Arthur Meulemans third symphony , the "Dennen symfonie" , symphony of the fir trees. Actually it is a portrait of the city of Aarschot and its surroundings. Meulemans was born in Aarschot and mixes in this work influences ranging from Debussy, Ravel and Respighi.
It will do for a warm summer evening ...
I wish I could offer a version with conductor Daniel Sternefeld, but that doesn't exist. Sternefeld (and Franz André) worked for Belgian Radio and created many works by both Flemish and Walloon composers.
https://www.youtube.com/v/xk2ALXiAmCM
Wasn't César Franck a Belgian composer? In his short life, Guillaume Lekeu produced some exquisite music, too.
Quote from: Mirror Image on July 11, 2022, 10:42:24 AM
Wasn't César Franck a Belgian composer? In his short life, Guillaume Lekeu produced some exquisite music, too.
Vieuxtemps too was Belgian.
Quote from: Florestan on July 11, 2022, 10:45:53 AM
Vieuxtemps too was Belgian.
Yeah, so there were some fine Belgian composers after all. Another one to mention is Eugène Ysaÿe.
Yes, all "fine" composers...but "great"? Franck was born in Liège/Belgium , but died in Paris ( and I dislike his music...).
For a country that is proud of its surrealism, we do miss also a great crazy Scriabin/Langgaard....
Quote from: Dry Brett Kavanaugh on July 11, 2022, 07:12:55 AM
Good choice and nice music. I like Akutagawa and Dan Ikuma as well but they are very European mode.
Yes, I would say that Akutagawa and Ikuma are a bit more Western in their musical outlook overall.
Quote from: pjme on July 11, 2022, 10:35:24 AM
Andrei's question proves to be quite difficult . Belgium doesn't have a composer of Enescu's stature - let alone a Dvorak, Debussy or Bartok.
Peter Benoit was an important figure but he wrote little symphonic music of substance....Moreover our country is (still) divided, bi-lingual and torn between German and French cultural influences. Who shall I choose? And why? Should I go for "folklorism" or a broader more "international" expression?
Flemish dances by Jan Blockx or a Brueghel symphony by Sternefeld? Joseph Jongen or André Souris? Fernand Quinet or Pierre Bartholomée?
Here's Arthur Meulemans third symphony , the "Dennen symfonie" , symphony of the fir trees. Actually it is a portrait of the city of Aarschot and its surroundings. Meulemans was born in Aarschot and mixes in this work influences ranging from Debussy, Ravel and Respighi.
It will do for a warm summer evening ...
I wish I could offer a version with conductor Daniel Sternefeld, but that doesn't exist. Sternefeld (and Franz André) worked for Belgian Radio and created many works by both Flemish and Walloon composers.
https://www.youtube.com/v/xk2ALXiAmCM
Wonderful music, and one of many excellent composers in Belgium.
A last note on Belgian music :
it still exists, we do have young composers.
https://www.youtube.com/v/O8jNxPkpjRA
https://www.youtube.com/v/3N86Ntv0WFE
Quote from: pjme on July 11, 2022, 01:49:10 PM
Yes, all "fine" composers...but "great"? Franck was born in Liège/Belgium , but died in Paris ( and I dislike his music...).
For a country that is proud of its surrealism, we do miss also a great crazy Scriabin/Langgaard....
I believe Franck to be a
great composer. It doesn't really matter where the composer died. He was a Belgian composer and is recognized as such.
cannot help it - a lot of his music (esp. the symphony and the violin sonata) represents the unpleasant(stuffy, boring, bigotry...) aspects of 19th century music. I do like Le chasseur maudit and the Variations symphoniques, though....
Quote from: pjme on July 13, 2022, 06:10:42 AM
cannot help it - a lot of his music (esp. the symphony and the violin sonata) represents the unpleasant(stuffy, boring, bigotry...) aspects of 19th century music. I do like Le chasseur maudit and the Variations symphoniques, though....
No need to defend your position, my friend. We all have our likes/dislikes but this concept is difficult for some other members to understand.
Quote from: pjme on July 11, 2022, 10:35:24 AM
Belgium doesn't have a composer of Enescu's stature -
The concept of Belgium may not have existed in their day, but, just to mention a few at random: Dufay, Binchois, Busnois, Clemens non Papa, Philippe de Monte, Lassus, possibly Josquin, Gombert, Ockeghem, Willaert - all born within the present-day borders of the nation. Practically a Who's Who of 15th- and 16th-century music.
After some pondering, my entry for the USA is Copeland yet again, specifically The Red Pony suite:
https://www.amazon.com/Copland-Conducts-M%C3%A9xico-American-Sketches/dp/B0000026GF/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=3RGRQZ5O6AEUJ&keywords=copland+the+red+pony&qid=1657755762&sprefix=copland+the+red+pony%2Caps%2C716&sr=8-2
So many references, from the Civil War to casual bunkhouse humor to childish wonder. And it's a film score!
Quote from: LKB on July 13, 2022, 03:47:52 PM
After some pondering, my entry for the USA is Copeland yet again, specifically The Red Pony suite:
https://www.amazon.com/Copland-Conducts-M%C3%A9xico-American-Sketches/dp/B0000026GF/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=3RGRQZ5O6AEUJ&keywords=copland+the+red+pony&qid=1657755762&sprefix=copland+the+red+pony%2Caps%2C716&sr=8-2
So many references, from the Civil War to casual bunkhouse humor to childish wonder. And it's a film score!
Yeah, Copland's
The Red Pony Suite is a great piece and it coming from a film work doesn't bother me at all when the music is this infectious.
Beethoven's #9th? It is the national anthem of EU but it would make even more sense to be Deutschland.
Also Rule Britannia, for England.
And Denmark would be Rise of the Valkyries...
Quote from: DaveF on July 13, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
The concept of Belgium may not have existed in their day, but, just to mention a few at random: Dufay, Binchois, Busnois, Clemens non Papa, Philippe de Monte, Lassus, possibly Josquin, Gombert, Ockeghem, Willaert - all born within the present-day borders of the nation. Practically a Who's Who of 15th- and 16th-century music.
Thanks....but I definitely would have loved that Belgium had fathered a composer that stood out in the 19th- 20th century. Franck is an exception, but his fame was mainly built in France (the Franck family moved to France when Cesar was 13 years old, he was naturalised as a Frenchman in 1837).
Quite possibly some gems are still waiting to be explored in the oeuvre of Paul Gilson, Flor Alpaerts (I just discovered that he wrote a "Spring symphony in 1907 - with "vocal elements" in the last movement), Robert Herberigs, Karel Candael, Lodewijk mortelmans, Lodewijk Devocht, Victor Vreuls, Arthur De Greef, Willem Kersters....René Barbier, Désiré Paques (7 symphonies!), Jean Louel, Marcel Poot, René Defossez, Marcel and Fernand Quinet....
Apart from Phaedra cds and the occasional BRT/KLARA cd very little enthusiasm is shown for our more recent musical history.
Perhaps this thread could be "flipped" - so a great/insightful performance of an orchestral work NOT by conductors or performers of that country...... possibly more interesting than the idea that you must be of that country to get that music (which is nonsense as far as I can tell....) Off the top of my head;
Ian Hobson/Sinfonia Varsovia/Don Gillis
(https://www.sinfoniavarsovia.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/177_Don-Gillis.jpg)
or
Maazel/VPO/Sibelius
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 14, 2022, 03:23:28 AM
Perhaps this thread could be "flipped" - so a great/insightful performance of an orchestral work NOT by conductors or performers of that country...... possibly more interesting than the idea that you must be of that country to get that music (which is nonsense as far as I can tell....) Off the top of my head;
Ian Hobson/Sinfonia Varsovia/Don Gillis
(https://www.sinfoniavarsovia.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/177_Don-Gillis.jpg)
or
Maazel/VPO/Sibelius
I chose RVW Tallis Fantasia as my work - there is an excellent performance of it from Constantin Silvestri though with a British orchestra. Bernstein/NYPO have recorded it, also Ormandy/Philadelphia, probably others.
Slightly at a tangent, my most memorable performance of the UK National Anthem was conducted by Eugen Jochum (with the LPO?) at a Royal Philharmonic Society Concert.
Quote from: Roasted Swan on July 14, 2022, 03:23:28 AM
Perhaps this thread could be "flipped" - so a great/insightful performance of an orchestral work NOT by conductors or performers of that country......
By all means, flip it that way. It's really an interesting idea.
Quoteyou must be of that country to get that music (which is nonsense as far as I can tell....)
I have never implied that and I agree it's nonsense. I do hope that's not what you really inferred from my OP --- but if you did, it's all my fault, not yours.
This search brought me to regions unknown...! And allow me to expand the topic.... : classical music from my country performed by ..."unexpected" performers.
Marcel Poot - premiere in the US!
https://www.youtube.com/v/s-Bdl-fu0k4
In Berlin, 1943, with Karl Schuricht and the Stadtisches Orchester Berlin: Allegro symphonique!
https://www.youtube.com/v/NQgfTe0bU_c
Poot's Octet was recorded for DECCA, in 1957, by the Wiener Oktett.
Quote from: Florestan on July 16, 2022, 08:49:58 AM
By all means, flip it that way. It's really an interesting idea.
I have never implied that and I agree it's nonsense. I do hope that's not what you really inferred from my OP --- but if you did, it's all my fault, not yours.
No absolutely - there was no implication you did - it was a wider comment (probably aimed at record companies who seem to believe that "only" French conductors conduct French Music etc etc!)