A few weeks ago, I decided to ask ChatGPT for some music recommendations, to see what it would come up with.
My first prompt was:
I enjoy exploring neglected classical music. I've recently enjoyed Dohnanyi's 1st symphony, Hans Huber's 2nd symphony, Glazunov's 3rd symphony, Stanford's 6th symphony, and Langgaard's 1st symphony. Do you have any recommendations of other works I may enjoy?
Quote from: ChatGPTCertainly! Here are some other lesser-known works of classical music that you may enjoy exploring:
Sibelius' 5th Symphony
Nielsen's 5th Symphony
R. Strauss' Alpine Symphony
Holst's The Planets
Bartók's Concerto for Orchestra
Mahler's Symphony No. 10
Schumann's Symphony No. 3 "Rhenish"
Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 6 "Pathétique"
Bruckner's Symphony No. 7
Shostakovich's Symphony No. 5.
These works are all by well-regarded composers and are considered to be some of their more unique and captivating works. Enjoy your exploration!
Those are all excellent recommendations, but not the obscure stuff I was hoping for. Asking for anything more obscure that it could recommend, I got
Quote from: ChatGPTCertainly! If you're looking for something more obscure, here are a few lesser-known works that you may find interesting:
Bax's Symphony No. 5
Korngold's Symphony in F-Sharp Major
Villa-Lobos' Symphony No. 10
Martinu's Symphony No. 6
Britten's Spring Symphony
Roussel's Symphony No. 3
Honegger's Symphony No. 5
Nielsen's Symphony No. 4 "Inextinguishable"
Holmboe's Symphony No. 7
Szymanowski's Symphony No. 4 "Symphonie Concertante."
These works are by talented composers, and while they may not be as well-known as others, they are definitely worth exploring and discovering. Enjoy!
That's a pretty impressive list for a language model to come up with!
I later asked for recommendations based on Villa-Lobos String Quartet #17.
Quote from: ChatGPTIf you enjoyed Villa-Lobos' String Quartet #17, you may also enjoy works by other South American and Latin American composers such as:
Ginastera: String Quartets Nos. 1 and 2
Piazzolla: Tango-Etudes for Solo Piano
Brouwer: Guitar Concerto No. 3
Rodrigo: Concierto de Aranjuez
Machado: String Quartet No. 1
Santiago: String Quartet No. 2 "Quarteto Latinoamericano"
Mignone: String Quartet No. 1
Revueltas: Sensemayá
Guastavino: Canciones populares argentinas
Additionally, you may also enjoy works by other composers who explore folk and traditional music in their compositions such as Bartók, Kodály, and Dvořák.
Rodrigo isn't Latin American, but it's an otherwise very interesting list.
I haven't tried ChatGPT myself, but I have followed the experiences by other people. These "language models" may impress people because they are fairly new thing, but they are also "stupid" and give a lot of wrong information. ChatGPT sucks at math for example. ChatGPT is like a young child who can google anything. It has all the information, but very little understanding of what it all means. That said, AI development is insanely fast and by the end of this decades who knows how "smart" these things are.
Those are not bad recs all round!
Quote from: Maestro267 on February 24, 2023, 12:00:21 AMThose are not bad recs all round!
What would have been bad? Human beings in general can't make up lists like this unless their are seriously into classical music as people here tend to be. Why does ChatGPT for example think
Holst's
The Planets is a lesser known work? What? Lesser known perhaps compared to
Vivaldi's
Four Seasons, but not much! In the training material The Planets has to be presented in context that has fooled ChatGPT. It seems the program can't question or verify information by itself. The user has to point out the mistakes and inconsistencies to it. ChatGPT must have "seen" Rodrigo mentioned together with South-American/Latin American composers and it just can't verify the nationality of the composer. How well does it even know what South-American/Latin American means? These things can be confusing for us people too. All the cultural and historical influence of Spain and Portugal on the South-American/Latin American countries and what not!
All I am saying is at the moment AI isn't as smart as it seems, but it will become smart as years go by. At the moment it is a young child who looks a prodigy because of the skills in googling stuff up, but no ability to process the information or do source criticism.
Perhaps one can ask ChatGPT what musical qualities the cited works possess that make them interesting. And then maybe ask for a comparative analysis of two of the selected works.
In part thanks to ChatGPT and Soundcloud I found a lot of living composers I didn't know about. I recently made a list with them here (https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,32251.0.html)
It would have taken a lot of possibly annoying explaining to people in-the-know to obtain all those names.
I've also ask Stable Diffusion to paint "the feeling of Classical Music":
These are Debussy's and Berg's:
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I asked all these questions to another chatbot: 2dumb2destroy, an intentionally stupid bot trained on quotes from The Simpsons, Spaceballs, Zoolander, The Naked Gun, and other stupid movies.
https://2dumb2destroy.com/
I love listening to classical music by obscure composers like Weinberg and Kabalevsky. Can you recommend some classical music for me to try?
Sure. Here's some music by Weinberg and Kabalevsky.
What is your favorite instrument in the orchestra?
The triangle. I'm pretty good at playing it.
What music has the best triangle solo?
I'm gonna say Limp Bizkit.
Who is the best interpreter of Beethoven's music?
The one that wins the Super Bowl.
What classical music should I listen to?
The first movement of Vivaldi's Four Seasons, it really gets me going when I chase my tail.
If I like Bela Bartok's piano music, what other music will I like?
You'll love the music of my good friend Lord Voldemort.
Who should be the next conductor of the Los Angeles Philharmonic?
How about that guy who played the trumpet on Star Trek?
Quote from: 71 dB on February 24, 2023, 03:36:37 AMAll I am saying is at the moment AI isn't as smart as it seems, but it will become smart as years go by. At the moment it is a young child who looks a prodigy because of the skills in googling stuff up, but no ability to process the information or do source criticism.
I mostly agree with that statement. I mostly gave examples where ChatGPT did well. I asked ChatGPT for music written by scientists, like Herschel.
Quote from: ChatGPTYes, there are many great pieces of music written by scientists. Here are some examples:
"The Musical Offering" by Johann Sebastian Bach - Bach was not only a prolific composer but also an accomplished mathematician and astronomer. "The Musical Offering" is a collection of canons and fugues based on a theme provided by Frederick the Great, who was also a musician and a patron of the arts.
"The Planets" by Gustav Holst - Holst was a composer and teacher who had a keen interest in astrology and astronomy. "The Planets" is a suite of seven movements, each representing a planet in the solar system.
"Symphony No. 3" by Alexander Borodin - Borodin was a chemist and a composer. His third symphony, also known as the "Polovtsian Dances," is based on themes from his opera "Prince Igor."
"A Musical Joke" by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Mozart was not a scientist per se, but he was known for his keen interest in mathematics and astronomy. "A Musical Joke" is a humorous composition that parodies the rules of classical music composition.
"Sonata in D major for Two Pianos" by Dmitri Mendeleev - Mendeleev was a chemist and the creator of the periodic table. He also wrote music, including this sonata for two pianos, which he dedicated to his wife.
These are just a few examples of great music written by scientists. There are many more out there, and exploring them can be a fascinating way to learn about the intersection of art and science.
About half of this is wrong! This shows the biggest problems with this technology as it exists now: it produces results that look plausible but are not true. I can't easily find anything about Bach's astronomy or Mendeleev's 2 piano sonata. ChatGPT also confused Borodin's 3rd symphony with Polovtsian Dances.
(What ChatGPT in my experience and observations is most useful for is writing and debugging code. Discussion of this would be better suited for The Diner.)
Quote from: Mapman on February 24, 2023, 09:16:18 AMThis shows the biggest problems with this technology as it exists now: it produces results that look plausible but are not true.
That's what real people do, intelligent or no, everyone makes mistakes!
I just asked it to explain the meaning of Mallarmé's Un coup de dés n'abolira jamais le hazard, and quite frankly, I got back, instantly, a very impressive encyclopaedia article which probably could serve as the structure for an undergraduate essay - you'd have to beef it up with citations, opposing views, a programme for further investigation. But undergraduates will be thrilled to have it!
Quote from: Todd on February 24, 2023, 05:03:50 AMPerhaps one can ask ChatGPT what musical qualities the cited works possess that make them interesting. And then maybe ask for a comparative analysis of two of the selected works.
Sure! I started a new chat with the same prompt as before. ChatGPT performed better this time (although strangely called
Asrael Suk's 2nd symphony without using its name):
Quote from: ChatGPTCertainly! Here are some suggestions for neglected classical music works that you might enjoy:
Carl Nielsen - Symphony No. 5, Op. 50
Franz Berwald - Symphony No. 3 "Sinfonie singulière"
Josef Suk - Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Op. 27
Alexander von Zemlinsky - Lyric Symphony, Op. 18
Ernest Chausson - Symphony in B-flat major, Op. 20
Joaquín Rodrigo - Concierto de Aranjuez
Karol Szymanowski - Symphony No. 3 "Song of the Night", Op. 27
Anton Rubinstein - Symphony No. 2 in C major, Op. 42
Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov - Symphony No. 3 in C major, Op. 32
Alexander Glazunov - Symphony No. 7 in F major, Op. 77
I hope you enjoy exploring these works and discovering new musical gems!
What musical qualities do the cited works possess that make them interesting?
Quote from: ChatGPTThe cited works are interesting for a variety of reasons, but here are some musical qualities that make them stand out:
Carl Nielsen's Symphony No. 5 is a powerful and dynamic work that features innovative orchestration and harmonic language, as well as a memorable "snare drum" motif that runs throughout the piece.
Franz Berwald's Symphony No. 3 "Sinfonie singulière" is a colorful and idiosyncratic work that features unexpected modulations and an inventive use of instrumentation, such as a prominent role for the bass clarinet.
Josef Suk's Symphony No. 2 in C minor is a passionate and lyrical work that draws on Czech folk melodies and features rich orchestration and expressive solo lines.
Alexander von Zemlinsky's Lyric Symphony is a lush and romantic work that combines symphonic and vocal elements, with a prominent role for the solo soprano and baritone voices.
Ernest Chausson's Symphony in B-flat major is a sophisticated and complex work that features chromatic harmonies, dense textures, and a sense of melancholy throughout.
Joaquín Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez is a beautiful and evocative work for guitar and orchestra that draws on Spanish musical traditions and features virtuosic solo writing and colorful orchestration.
Karol Szymanowski's Symphony No. 3 "Song of the Night" is a mystical and otherworldly work that draws on Eastern musical traditions and features dense, colorful harmonies and imaginative orchestration.
Anton Rubinstein's Symphony No. 2 in C major is a grand and expansive work that features sweeping melodies, rich orchestration, and a sense of drama throughout.
Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov's Symphony No. 3 in C major is a colorful and virtuosic work that features imaginative orchestration and a sense of adventure throughout.
Alexander Glazunov's Symphony No. 7 in F major is a graceful and lyrical work that features memorable melodies, colorful orchestration, and a sense of optimism throughout.
Can you provide a comparative analysis of Nielsen's 5th and Suk's Symphony #2?
Quote from: ChatGPTCertainly! Carl Nielsen's Symphony No. 5 and Josef Suk's Symphony No. 2 are both late-Romantic symphonies written around the turn of the 20th century, but they have different musical styles and approaches.
In terms of form, Nielsen's Symphony No. 5 is in one continuous movement, while Suk's Symphony No. 2 is in the more traditional four-movement form. Nielsen's symphony is marked by a continuous development of ideas, with themes and motifs constantly transformed and developed throughout the piece. Suk's symphony, on the other hand, has a more conventional structure, with clearly defined movements that follow the typical fast-slow-dance-fast pattern of a classical symphony.
Harmonically, both symphonies are adventurous and modern for their time, but Nielsen's Symphony No. 5 is particularly notable for its use of dissonant harmonies and unconventional chord progressions. Suk's Symphony No. 2, while also harmonically complex, is more melodic and lyrical in nature, with memorable themes and colorful orchestration.
Orchestrally, both symphonies are colorful and inventive, but Nielsen's Symphony No. 5 is particularly notable for its use of unusual percussion instruments, such as the snare drum that runs throughout the piece. Suk's Symphony No. 2, on the other hand, features a prominent role for the solo violin and other solo instruments, such as the English horn.
In terms of mood and atmosphere, Nielsen's Symphony No. 5 is dramatic and intense, with a sense of struggle and conflict throughout. Suk's Symphony No. 2, while also passionate and emotional, is more introspective and contemplative in nature, with a sense of nostalgia and melancholy pervading the piece.
Overall, while both Nielsen's Symphony No. 5 and Suk's Symphony No. 2 are important late-Romantic symphonies that showcase the musical innovations of the time, they have different musical styles and approaches that make them distinct works. Nielsen's symphony is marked by its continuous development of ideas, unconventional harmonies, and innovative percussion writing, while Suk's symphony is known for its lyrical melodies, colorful orchestration, and introspective mood.
This is pretty bad. The numbers of movements are wrong, and there's strangely no mention of the motto theme in
Asrael.
Quote from: Mapman on February 24, 2023, 09:30:02 AMWhat musical qualities do the cited works possess that make them interesting?
The output reads like ad copy.
Quote from: Brian on February 24, 2023, 08:54:30 AMWhat music has the best triangle solo?
I'm gonna say Limp Bizkit.
https://2dumb2destroy.com/ is now my preferred chatbot.
Quote from: Todd on February 24, 2023, 10:10:27 AMThe output reads like ad copy.
I gave ChatGPT your feedback. I don't think its updated response is any better. It mostly expanded its previous statements.
Quote from: ChatGPTI apologize if my previous explanations sounded like ad copy. Here are some revised explanations of the musical qualities that make the cited works interesting:
Carl Nielsen's Symphony No. 5 is a striking work that showcases Nielsen's innovative use of harmony and orchestration. The piece is characterized by its energetic rhythms, memorable motifs, and constantly shifting moods, which range from explosive and dramatic to tranquil and introspective.
Franz Berwald's Symphony No. 3 "Sinfonie singulière" is a unique and imaginative work that defies convention with its unexpected modulations and unconventional use of instruments. The piece features colorful and complex textures, with each instrument adding its own distinct voice to the ensemble.
Josef Suk's Symphony No. 2 in C minor is a deeply emotional work that draws on the rich musical traditions of Suk's native Czechoslovakia. The piece features lush harmonies, soaring melodies, and virtuosic solo writing, which convey a sense of passion and longing.
Alexander von Zemlinsky's Lyric Symphony is a richly expressive work that combines symphonic and vocal elements to create a lush, romantic sound. The piece features beautiful solo writing for the soprano and baritone voices, as well as richly textured orchestration that creates a dreamlike atmosphere.
Ernest Chausson's Symphony in B-flat major is a sophisticated and complex work that showcases Chausson's skill as a composer. The piece features dense harmonies and intricate textures that create a sense of melancholy and introspection, as well as sweeping melodies that evoke a sense of nostalgia.
Joaquín Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez is a beautiful and evocative work that draws on the rich musical traditions of Spain. The piece features virtuosic solo writing for the guitar, as well as colorful orchestration that evokes the sights and sounds of the Spanish countryside.
Karol Szymanowski's Symphony No. 3 "Song of the Night" is a mystical and imaginative work that draws on the composer's interest in Eastern music and philosophy. The piece features dense, colorful harmonies and intricate orchestration, as well as richly expressive solo writing that creates a sense of otherworldly beauty.
Anton Rubinstein's Symphony No. 2 in C major is a grand and ambitious work that showcases Rubinstein's skill as a composer and orchestrator. The piece features sweeping melodies, lush harmonies, and richly textured orchestration, which combine to create a sense of grandeur and drama.
Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov's Symphony No. 3 in C major is a virtuosic and colorful work that showcases Rimsky-Korsakov's skill as an orchestrator. The piece features intricate and imaginative textures, with each instrument adding its own unique voice to the ensemble.
Alexander Glazunov's Symphony No. 7 in F major is a graceful and elegant work that showcases Glazunov's skill as a melodist. The piece features beautiful and memorable melodies, as well as richly textured orchestration that creates a sense of warmth and optimism.
Quote from: Mapman on February 24, 2023, 11:31:13 AMI gave ChatGPT your feedback. I don't think its updated response is any better. It mostly expanded its previous statements.
The revised ones look like blurbs for Gramophone.
If I may inquire, what does ChatGPT think is the greatest recorded Beethoven piano sonata cycle and why?
Sometimes you have to insist and go from generic to specific, and yes, it will make stuff up sometimes
Me: please tell more some extrmely rare, really obscure pieces of music from the 18th century with few recordings available
ChatGPT: Certainly! Here are some examples of rare and obscure music from the 18th century with few recordings available:
Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach's Symphony in D minor (Wf I: 3): This symphony, composed by one of Johann Sebastian Bach's sons, is a dark and brooding work that is rarely performed today. It was only rediscovered in the 20th century and has been recorded by a handful of orchestras.
Johann Melchior Molter's Trumpet Concerto No. 2 in D major: Molter was a German composer who was highly regarded in his day but is now largely forgotten. His Trumpet Concerto No. 2 is a virtuosic work that showcases the instrument's capabilities. There are only a few recordings of this piece available.
Ignaz Holzbauer's Symphony in D minor: Holzbauer was a contemporary of Mozart and was known for his operas, but he also composed symphonies. His Symphony in D minor is a dramatic and intense work that has been recorded by a few orchestras.
Franz Benda's Flute Concerto in E minor: Benda was a violinist and composer who was part of the musical court of Frederick the Great of Prussia. His Flute Concerto in E minor is a charming work that features the flute in a prominent role. There are only a handful of recordings of this piece available.
Johann Gottlieb Naumann's Symphony in B-flat major: Naumann was a German composer who was active in the 18th century. His Symphony in B-flat major is a lively and energetic work that has been recorded by only a few orchestras.
These are just a few examples of rare and obscure pieces of music from the 18th century. While they may not be well-known today, they offer a fascinating glimpse into the musical world of the time.
me: now continue but only with oboe d'amore concertos
ChatGPT: Certainly! Here are some examples of oboe d'amore concertos from the 18th century that are rare and obscure, with few recordings available:
Georg Philipp Telemann's Concerto for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in A major: Telemann was a prolific German composer who wrote many concertos for a variety of instruments. His Concerto for Oboe d'amore is a delightful work that showcases the warm, mellow tone of the instrument. There are only a few recordings of this piece available.
Johann Friedrich Fasch's Concerto for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in D major: Fasch was a German composer who was highly regarded in his day but is now largely forgotten. His Concerto for Oboe d'amore is a lively and charming work that has been recorded by a few oboists.
Johann Christoph Graupner's Concerto for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in A major: Graupner was a German composer who was a contemporary of J.S. Bach and Telemann. His Concerto for Oboe d'amore is a lovely and lyrical work that has been recorded by only a handful of oboists.
Johann Gottlieb Janitsch's Concerto da Camera for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in G minor: Janitsch was a German composer who wrote many chamber works. His Concerto da Camera for Oboe d'amore is a beautiful and expressive work that has been recorded by a few oboists.
Christoph Schaffrath's Concerto for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in G major: Schaffrath was a German composer who was active in the mid-18th century. His Concerto for Oboe d'amore is a charming and graceful work that has been recorded by only a few oboists.
These are just a few examples of rare and obscure oboe d'amore concertos from the 18th century. Despite their relative obscurity, they offer a wealth of musical beauty and interest, and are definitely worth exploring for anyone who loves the sound of the oboe d'amore.
Quote from: Todd on February 24, 2023, 12:20:55 PMIf I may inquire, what does ChatGPT think is the greatest recorded Beethoven piano sonata cycle and why?
Forgive me for using 2dumb2destroy instead:
What is the greatest recorded Beethoven piano sonata cycle, and why?
I love the one by that dashing Polish fellow.
What is the greatest recorded Beethoven piano sonata album, and why?
I love the one where he loses his hearing, becomes a badass and then gets it back.
Quote from: Todd on February 24, 2023, 12:20:55 PMThe revised ones look like blurbs for Gramophone.
If I may inquire, what does ChatGPT think is the greatest recorded Beethoven piano sonata cycle and why?
I wonder if Gramophone articles were in the training data.
As I expected, ChatGPT didn't want to name the greatest Beethoven piano sonata cycle. It gave a few options.
Quote from: ChatGPTIt's difficult to name a single "greatest" recorded Beethoven piano sonata cycle, as there are many exceptional recordings that offer different interpretations and insights into the composer's music. However, there are a few cycles that are often mentioned as some of the best:
Artur Schnabel's recordings from the 1930s are widely regarded as groundbreaking and highly influential. Schnabel's performances are marked by their intensity, clarity, and emotional depth, and many consider his interpretations to be definitive.
Wilhelm Kempff's recordings from the 1960s and 1970s are another highly regarded cycle. Kempff's playing is elegant and poetic, and his interpretations are known for their sensitivity to Beethoven's use of harmony and structure.
Alfred Brendel's recordings from the 1970s and 1980s are celebrated for their intellectual rigor and attention to detail. Brendel's playing is precise and controlled, and he brings a deep understanding of Beethoven's musical language to his performances.
Richard Goode's recordings from the 1990s and 2000s have also been widely praised. Goode's playing is warm and expressive, and he brings a sense of spontaneity and improvisation to his interpretations.
Ultimately, the choice of a "greatest" Beethoven piano sonata cycle is a matter of personal preference. Each of these recordings has its own unique strengths and insights to offer, and listeners should explore multiple interpretations to gain a deeper understanding and appreciation of Beethoven's music.
Quote from: Uhor on February 24, 2023, 12:27:25 PMChatGPT: Certainly! Here are some examples of oboe d'amore concertos from the 18th century that are rare and obscure, with few recordings available:
Georg Philipp Telemann's Concerto for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in A major: Telemann was a prolific German composer who wrote many concertos for a variety of instruments. His Concerto for Oboe d'amore is a delightful work that showcases the warm, mellow tone of the instrument. There are only a few recordings of this piece available.
Johann Friedrich Fasch's Concerto for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in D major: Fasch was a German composer who was highly regarded in his day but is now largely forgotten. His Concerto for Oboe d'amore is a lively and charming work that has been recorded by a few oboists.
Johann Christoph Graupner's Concerto for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in A major: Graupner was a German composer who was a contemporary of J.S. Bach and Telemann. His Concerto for Oboe d'amore is a lovely and lyrical work that has been recorded by only a handful of oboists.
Johann Gottlieb Janitsch's Concerto da Camera for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in G minor: Janitsch was a German composer who wrote many chamber works. His Concerto da Camera for Oboe d'amore is a beautiful and expressive work that has been recorded by a few oboists.
Christoph Schaffrath's Concerto for Oboe d'amore, Strings, and Continuo in G major: Schaffrath was a German composer who was active in the mid-18th century. His Concerto for Oboe d'amore is a charming and graceful work that has been recorded by only a few oboists.
These are just a few examples of rare and obscure oboe d'amore concertos from the 18th century. Despite their relative obscurity, they offer a wealth of musical beauty and interest, and are definitely worth exploring for anyone who loves the sound of the oboe d'amore.
And it's already making stuff up. The Janitsch work appears to be a
Sonata da Camera, not a concerto. I didn't check the rest, but I wouldn't be surprised by additional inaccuracies.
Quote from: Mapman on February 24, 2023, 12:46:47 PMAs I expected, ChatGPT didn't want to name the greatest Beethoven piano sonata cycle. It gave a few options.
Oof, it includes Goode. AI has a long way to go.
Quote from: Brian on February 24, 2023, 12:36:58 PMWhat is the greatest recorded Beethoven piano sonata cycle, and why?
I love the one by that dashing Polish fellow.
This is a more satisfactory response.
Quote from: Mapman on February 24, 2023, 09:16:18 AMI mostly agree with that statement. I mostly gave examples where ChatGPT did well. I asked ChatGPT for music written by scientists, like Herschel.
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About half of this is wrong! This shows the biggest problems with this technology as it exists now: it produces results that look plausible but are not true. I can't easily find anything about Bach's astronomy or Mendeleev's 2 piano sonata. ChatGPT also confused Borodin's 3rd symphony with Polovtsian Dances.
It could have mentioned Elgar, who was interested of chemistry, biology and astronomy and even patented his own soap. :D
Quote from: Mapman on February 24, 2023, 09:16:18 AM(What ChatGPT in my experience and observations is most useful for is writing and debugging code. Discussion of this would be better suited for The Diner.)
I have got the some impression from what I have read. Apparently it is impressively good at coding. If it is optimized for that, it could explain why it sucks at other things.
Quote from: ChatGPTIt's difficult to name a single "greatest" recorded Beethoven piano sonata cycle, as there are many exceptional recordings that offer different interpretations and insights into the composer's music.
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Ultimately, the choice of a "greatest" Beethoven piano sonata cycle is a matter of personal preference. Each of these recordings has its own unique strengths and insights to offer, and listeners should explore multiple interpretations to gain a deeper understanding and appreciation of Beethoven's music.
An eminently reasonable answer. AI seems to be better than its reputation. ;D
Otoh, this:
"Sonata in D major for Two Pianos" by Dmitri Mendeleev - Mendeleev was a chemist and the creator of the periodic table. He also wrote music, including this sonata for two pianos, which he dedicated to his wife.
looks entirely fabricated.
Mapman, could you please ask ChatGPT to name the best recording of this sonata?
Quote from: Florestan on February 25, 2023, 03:38:45 AMOtoh, this:
"Sonata in D major for Two Pianos" by Dmitri Mendeleev - Mendeleev was a chemist and the creator of the periodic table. He also wrote music, including this sonata for two pianos, which he dedicated to his wife.
looks entirely fabricated.
Mapman, could you please ask ChatGPT to name the best recording of this sonata?
That is quite interesting actually and maybe a clue in to how it works. Mendeleev was closely connected to Borodin, composer/chemist who was championed by his wife, a pianist. I wonder if the Sonata in D major for Two pianos is the one by Mozart? So, it's tangling different topics that have a small connection to create its unique response but here getting it all wrong because it doesn't actually understand how the connections work.
Quote from: relm1 on February 25, 2023, 05:56:27 AMThat is quite interesting actually and maybe a clue in to how it works. Mendeleev was closely connected to Borodin, composer/chemist who was championed by his wife, a pianist. I wonder if the Sonata in D major for Two pianos is the one by Mozart? So, it's tangling different topics that have a small connection to create its unique response but here getting it all wrong because it doesn't actually understand how the connections work.
You might be on to something. Very interesting.
If you ask me, AI is never going to replace human intelligence. Like in , never ever. It's not even at the level of children, because children are often able to make very interesting points and links and even when they are mistaken they are humanly so --- which is not the case with AI.
Remember that one of the largest corporations in the world is pouring billions into the parent company of ChatGPT. It is in an early stage and the goal is for the investment to be profitable. That means expanded contracts in the customer service space (with projected annual growth rates of 25%+ for years to come, though from a small base), the software development space, and, of course, the juiciest plum of all, the military. There will be many other profitable deployments, too. Blabber about AI matching human intelligence and the singularity and so forth is either salesmanship or self-delusion. Let's start with the basics: define human consciousness and intelligence. Once you can definitively do that, then maybe you can architect real AI. People have pondered AI in some vague form since at least the 1870s, and we ain't even close to HAL yet, so, there's that. ChatGPT is the world's most sophisticated plagiarism tool. World class devs can disabuse me of this notion if they want.
Quote from: Florestan on February 25, 2023, 06:05:41 AMIf you ask me, AI is never going to replace human intelligence. Like in , never ever. It's not even at the level of children, because children are often able to make very interesting points and links and even when they are mistaken they are humanly so --- which is not the case with AI.
Should people ask you? Are you an expert in artificial intelligence?
If you ask me, it is a question of when rather than if AI surpasses humans in intelligence. The humankind keeps becoming dumber and dumber day by day and the target for AI in that sense becomes closer all the time. Then again, I could be wrong since I am not an expert...
Quote from: 71 dB on February 25, 2023, 08:34:38 AMShould people ask you?
"If you ask me" is a figure of speech. Whether people should really ask me or not is irrelevant.
QuoteAre you an expert in artificial intelligence?
Time and again, this effing pernicious expert myth...
Look, if only experts had the right to speak on any given subject, then you'd have no business talking about Mozart's operas at all since you're not an expert on them, okay?
QuoteThe humankind keeps becoming dumber and dumber day by day
This logically implies that you are becoming yourself dumber and dumber day by day --- unless you claim you don't belong to the humankind.
Quoteand the target for AI in that sense becomes closer all the time.
The funniest thing of it all is that AI is being developed and tweaked by the self same humankind which according to you gets dumber and dumber by the day.
QuoteThen again, I could be wrong since I am not an expert...
I could compile a long list of things that experts claimed to be true at some point in history and which were subsequently found to be false by other experts at some future point in time --- and vice versa.
Experts are hugely overrated.
Quote from: 71 dB on February 25, 2023, 08:34:38 AMThe humankind keeps becoming dumber and dumber day by day
Quite the opposite at least in some privileged places.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif)
If we are speaking of emotional intelligence (EQ), it might be too new to quatify but
my personal opinion is that, on average, we are better.
Quote from: Florestan on February 25, 2023, 09:11:46 AMThis logically implies that you are becoming yourself dumber and dumber day by day --- unless you claim you don't belong to the humankind.
No it doesn't, because mankind is not the same thing as an individual (such as you or me). Mankind is a mixture of smart and dumb individuals and everything in between. So, what I said means the mixture of individuals becomes dumber. This can happen in many ways meaning there is no logical implications for what is happening to your or my intelligence without addition information. What if the additional information is that the new generations are dumber than the old ones?
Quote from: Florestan on February 25, 2023, 09:11:46 AMThe funniest thing of it all is that AI is being developed and tweaked by the self same humankind which according to you gets dumber and dumber by the day.
Individuals aren't becoming necessarily dumber and to my understanding people who develop AI tend to be smart.
Quote from: Florestan on February 25, 2023, 09:11:46 AMI could compile a long list of things that experts claimed to be true at some point in history and which were subsequently found to be false by other experts at some future point in time --- and vice versa.
Yes, but this is because predicting the future is hard. You said AI will never ever reach the level of human intelligence. That is quite a bold prediction if you ask me. I believe AI will at some point surpass human intelligence, but I don't know when. That's the big uncertainty part. In 30 years? In 50 years? In 100 years? In 200 Years?
Quote from: Florestan on February 25, 2023, 09:11:46 AMExperts are hugely overrated.
No they are not if they are real experts and not hacks.
Quote from: Uhor on February 25, 2023, 09:52:56 AMQuite the opposite at least in some privileged places.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif)
If we are speaking of emotional intelligence (EQ), it might be too new to quatify but my personal opinion is that, on average, we are better.
Why are those curves straight lines? How about the years 2005 - present?
Quote from: 71 dB on February 26, 2023, 01:56:57 AMWhy are those curves straight lines? How about the years 2005 - present?
The data on the graph says 2007. I think we got stupider after that. I'd interpret the straight lines as limited data points. For example, this probably isn't a yearly data sample but maybe two data points hence a straight line. It's a bit of a bogus chart. I guess they anticipated those reading it have become stupid.
This rise in intelligence is called the Flynn effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect), just in case you want to investigate in Google Scholar for meta-analysis or whatnot.
Here's another graph I found.
(https://thesheriffofsodium.files.wordpress.com/2022/02/img_0527.png?w=1024)
Here's an interesting video about attempting to use ChatGPT for composition. (It isn't particularly helpful.)
Mostly I notice people claiming ChatGPT has magical powers, or is crap. I've used it recently and it seems it is mostly like using google, except the answer is organized into preachy paragraphs instead of a list of hits. It is remarkable that it can more or less parse ordinary English, find stuff in it's enormous library of text and extract out and format something relevant.
I decided that listening to a set of works in the order composed gets tedious, either listing from beginning to end, or vice versa. So I used ChatGPT to make a random playlist of Haydn Sonatas. I asked it to put the numbers from 1 to 62, excluding 21 to 27, in random order:
QuoteHere are the numbers from 1 to 62, excluding 21 to 27, in random order:
10, 37, 42, 1, 60, 45, 11, 5, 55, 48, 36, 13, 62, 56, 35, 38, 33, 2, 52, 9, 18, 12,
44, 20, 3, 58, 54, 17, 51, 19, 31, 32, 6, 59, 14, 30, 46, 4, 47, 50, 7, 34, 49, 8,
40, 57, 41, 61, 53, 22, 25, 28, 39, 43.
These numbers are in random order, excluding the range from 21 to 27.
Here's my Haydn Sonata playlist.
That is kind of overkill to use AI to simply generate a random permutation. :laugh:
A colleague of mine has a paid subscription to use gpt-4 and he claims it is much more sophisticated than the free gpt.
Quote from: DavidW on September 17, 2023, 07:24:20 AMThat is kind of overkill to use AI to simply generate a random permutation. :laugh:
How would you do it? Saved me screwing around in various programming languages.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 17, 2023, 08:35:22 AMHow would you do it?
The old-fashioned way: write the numbers on pieces of paper, mixed them in a bowl, pick one by one randomly. :D
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 17, 2023, 08:35:22 AMHow would you do it? Saved me screwing around in various programming languages.
There is a random permutation generator that I use online. I only use it when I'm scrambling multiple choice questions when I'm writing a test. Here is one (https://www.random.org/sequences/).
Quote from: Florestan on September 17, 2023, 09:52:06 AMThe old-fashioned way: write the numbers on pieces of paper, mixed them in a bowl, pick one by one randomly. :D
ChatGPT took me 5 seconds, a lot faster than preparing the slips of paper. But then I had to cut and paste the output to a text file and import into a spreadsheet, which took me a few minutes.
Quote from: DavidW on September 18, 2023, 06:08:51 AMThere is a random permutation generator that I use online. I only use it when I'm scrambling multiple choice questions when I'm writing a test. Here is one (https://www.random.org/sequences/).
But that does a contiguous range a numbers, it doesn't allow you to specify a gap. I'd have to remove the missing sonatas by hand.
If I didn't think of ChatGPT, I'd have written a program. Generate the list of 55 sonatas, generate a random number between 1 and 55, pick the number out of the list. Generate a random number between 1 and 54, pick the number out of the list, iterate until no numbers left. That would have been annoying.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 17, 2023, 06:16:08 AMI decided that listening to a set of works in the order composed gets tedious, either listing from beginning to end, or vice versa. So I used ChatGPT to make a random playlist of Haydn Sonatas. I asked it to put the numbers from 1 to 62, excluding 21 to 27, in random order:
Wait a minute...
You have to ask ChatGPT to give you a list where the works actually are in the order Haydn wrote them!
Quote from: 71 dB on September 18, 2023, 09:22:35 AMWait a minute...
You have to ask ChatGPT to give you a list where the works actually are in the order Haydn wrote them!
Read again, I asked ChatGPT to give a random list of Sonatas 1-65, excluding 21-27.
My experience that listing to a long series of works in the order composed can be tedious because works composed at the same time don't have stylistic diversity.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 17, 2023, 06:16:08 AMlistening to a set of works in the order composed gets tedious, either listing from beginning to end, or vice versa.
I guess it all depends on how many works you listen to at a time. If you listen to ten sonatas in one sitting, it might very well get tedious by itself, irrespective of the order in which you play them. If you play only one or two in one sitting, changing the order does not make much of a difference. :D
Quote from: Florestan on September 18, 2023, 09:49:31 AMI guess it all depends on how many works you listen to at a time. If you listen to ten sonatas in one sitting, it might very well get tedious by itself, irrespective of the order in which you play them. If you play only one or two in one sitting, changing the order does not make much of a difference. :D
It is one a day for me, and hopping around works better for me, in Haydn.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 18, 2023, 09:51:21 AMIt is one a day for me, and hopping around works better for me, in Haydn.
What about making a list of the numbers and then just visiting them randomly (maybe early vs. middle vs. later ones?) and then just crossing them off of your list? Just a thought.
PD
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on September 18, 2023, 10:58:02 AMWhat about making a list of the numbers and then just visiting them randomly (maybe early vs. middle vs. later ones?) and then just crossing them off of your list? Just a thought.
PD
That would work, though I would invariably loose the piece of paper.
Quote from: Spotted Horses on September 18, 2023, 09:47:05 AMRead again, I asked ChatGPT to give a random list of Sonatas 1-65, excluding 21-27.
My experience that listing to a long series of works in the order composed can be tedious because works composed at the same time don't have stylistic diversity.
Yeah, but you wrote your post as if you asked ChatGPT to create you the random list in order to avoid listening to the works in chronological order, but how can you even do that if you don't have the works put in chronological order? Just listening to the works in numerical order gives you a "random" sequence in the sense to chronology. Isn't that what you want? How is a random list made by ChatGPT any better?
Quote from: 71 dB on September 18, 2023, 11:55:57 AMYeah, but you wrote your post as if you asked ChatGPT to create you the random list in order to avoid listening to the works in chronological order, but how can you even do that if you don't have the works put in chronological order? Just listening to the works in numerical order gives you a "random" sequence in the sense to chronology. Isn't that what you want? How is a random list made by ChatGPT any better?
I conclude from the listing in the Brautigam set that in the Landon numbering sonatas from a given era are grouped together, even if the precise order of composition is not known. The list starts out somewhat random, but random permutation makes it more random.
Here's a priceless one I'll post here. Maybe a clacissist can identify the source of the quote for me.
Did Euripides say Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put?
ChatGPT
No, the quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" is not attributed to Euripides. This quote is actually from the Roman statesman and philosopher Seneca the Younger. Seneca was a prominent Stoic philosopher and a playwright who lived in ancient Rome. The quote reflects the Stoic belief in the power of time to reveal the truth and the idea that time can expose hidden things without any active effort.
User
Where did Seneca say it?
ChatGPT
The quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" is from Seneca the Younger's work titled "Moral Letters to Lucilius," specifically in Letter 79, section 10. Seneca wrote these letters to his friend Lucilius, offering him advice on various aspects of life and philosophy.
User
Can you give it to me in latin?
ChatGPT
Certainly! The Latin version of the quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" by Seneca the Younger is:
"Omnia posteritas discet; tempus loquacissimus testis est."
User
Please check. Wikisource here does not support what you are saying https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_letters_to_Lucilius/Letter_79
ChatGPT
I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. Upon further investigation, it appears that the quote I provided is not directly from Seneca's "Moral Letters to Lucilius." I was mistaken in my earlier response. It's important to note that while Seneca did write extensively on various philosophical topics, including the nature of time, the specific quote you mentioned might not be attributed to him. I appreciate your understanding, and I'm here to help with any other inquiries you might have.
User
So who said it?
ChatGPT
I apologize for the confusion earlier. The quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" is actually attributed to the Roman poet and philosopher Seneca the Younger. The quote can be found in his work titled "Quaestiones Naturales," specifically in Book 7, Question 30. Seneca was a prominent Stoic philosopher, statesman, and playwright in ancient Rome.
User
Can you give me a link to the text please
ChatGPT
I apologize for any confusion, but there seems to be a misunderstanding. The quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" is often attributed to Seneca the Younger, but there isn't a specific source or direct reference to a particular work where he said or wrote these exact words.
It's possible that this quote is a paraphrase or a summary of Seneca's ideas rather than a verbatim quote from his works. Unfortunately, I am unable to provide a specific link to the text because it doesn't exist in Seneca's known works in the exact form you provided. If you have any other questions or if there's a specific topic you're interested in, please feel free to let me know, and I'll be happy to assist further.
Quote from: Mandryka on September 30, 2023, 12:34:16 AMHere's a priceless one I'll post here. Maybe a clacissist can identify the source of the quote for me.
Did Euripides say Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put?
ChatGPT
No, the quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" is not attributed to Euripides. This quote is actually from the Roman statesman and philosopher Seneca the Younger. Seneca was a prominent Stoic philosopher and a playwright who lived in ancient Rome. The quote reflects the Stoic belief in the power of time to reveal the truth and the idea that time can expose hidden things without any active effort.
User
Where did Seneca say it?
ChatGPT
The quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" is from Seneca the Younger's work titled "Moral Letters to Lucilius," specifically in Letter 79, section 10. Seneca wrote these letters to his friend Lucilius, offering him advice on various aspects of life and philosophy.
User
Can you give it to me in latin?
ChatGPT
Certainly! The Latin version of the quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" by Seneca the Younger is:
"Omnia posteritas discet; tempus loquacissimus testis est."
User
Please check. Wikisource here does not support what you are saying https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_letters_to_Lucilius/Letter_79
ChatGPT
I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. Upon further investigation, it appears that the quote I provided is not directly from Seneca's "Moral Letters to Lucilius." I was mistaken in my earlier response. It's important to note that while Seneca did write extensively on various philosophical topics, including the nature of time, the specific quote you mentioned might not be attributed to him. I appreciate your understanding, and I'm here to help with any other inquiries you might have.
User
So who said it?
ChatGPT
I apologize for the confusion earlier. The quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" is actually attributed to the Roman poet and philosopher Seneca the Younger. The quote can be found in his work titled "Quaestiones Naturales," specifically in Book 7, Question 30. Seneca was a prominent Stoic philosopher, statesman, and playwright in ancient Rome.
User
Can you give me a link to the text please
ChatGPT
I apologize for any confusion, but there seems to be a misunderstanding. The quote "Time will discover everything to posterity; it is a babbler, and speaks even when no question is put" is often attributed to Seneca the Younger, but there isn't a specific source or direct reference to a particular work where he said or wrote these exact words.
It's possible that this quote is a paraphrase or a summary of Seneca's ideas rather than a verbatim quote from his works. Unfortunately, I am unable to provide a specific link to the text because it doesn't exist in Seneca's known works in the exact form you provided. If you have any other questions or if there's a specific topic you're interested in, please feel free to let me know, and I'll be happy to assist further.
Oh, my! I had my own strange experience lately with AI when I was checking out some stereo equipment--and was treated rather rudely by it.
PD
Quote from: Pohjolas Daughter on October 04, 2023, 05:59:06 PMOh, my! I had my own strange experience lately with AI when I was checking out some stereo equipment--and was treated rather rudely by it.
PD
:laugh: Why, what did it say? AI: "I don't have time to answer all your questions with all the nonsense you humans are having me explain!" ;D :laugh:
Quote from: relm1 on October 05, 2023, 05:44:31 AM:laugh: Why, what did it say? AI: "I don't have time to answer all your questions with all the nonsense you humans are having me explain!" ;D :laugh:
In my case, I was using the chat button to "talk" to some thing at Schiit Audio to see whether or not I could use their Modi and DAC with my stereo system and was trying to figure out what sort of cables I would need, etc. After asking some questions and running into some problems with their recs, I received a reply "Well, poo-head! It looks like you might have to get creative with your setup."
PD